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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
They are constantly making big plays, and they are the team you can never count out. Dendi is the one making the most flashy plays, so the majority of people just go OMG DENDI SOO GOOD (as someone who is bad at support, how AA does what he does blows my mind). | ||
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
There's also been a distinct lack of Chinese scene knowledge and coverage in general on the websites that have been the frontrunners for DotA 2 coverage since the beta was released, like joinDota, among others, who focus their attention almost exclusively on the European scene (and to a much lesser extent, the NA scene), so I think that also definitely adds to people not caring as much about the Chinese scene simply because they don't know much about it. And in turn, when you don't know about the Chinese teams, the next obvious team for a large fanbase to latch onto is Na'vi because of their success over basically any other team in the European scene. But I won't really get too into that because I think it might be a touchy subject. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On September 02 2012 12:11 findingthelimit wrote: I saw another thread stating that Dendi is to dota, just as MVP is to wings of liberty and boxer / flash is to brood war... that pissed me off pretty bad  . Despite being a fan of Chinese teams, if I must make a decision, I would say Ben "Merlini" Wu is my favorite player; he stomped early versions of Dota single handedly with "shit" heroes like zeus. That is taking too far, but Dendi really is to Dota 2 what boxer and flash were to broodwar. As for DotA, I'd say Vigoss is a bigger legend than Merlini, but that's just personal preference, I'd say. | ||
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GregMandel
France822 Posts
That play was spectacular, and sure it wasnt made by Dendi only, but that + the caster bias is enough for me to be converted to the na'Vi Dendi cause | ||
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Ramong
Denmark1706 Posts
On September 02 2012 12:58 Vixeness87 wrote: Guess where there are fans there are antifans? honestly this thread needs to be closed since its just a worthless thread that doesn't actually state anything other than QQ about na'vi being popular (as if in sc2 foreigners don't get more attention than koreans who are equally as good or better) yeah, close this thread please. Seems like a bunch of chinese fanboys that are mad about na'vi winning over IG mouz fan myself and you don't see me making posts about why there are so many chinese fanboys out there.... Beside Na'vi won TI1, what have the chinese done in dota 2? Dominated dota 1, 2 years ago?! Only chinese team who are doing good would be lgd and ig and only lgd are in winner bracket. Come back when LGD wins TI2, which I honestly think they will :p | ||
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Equalize[R]
Ukraine40 Posts
I don't believe that OP was not capable to understand that simple fact and his post is indeed a simple rant and should be addressed properly. | ||
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J1.au
Australia3596 Posts
On September 02 2012 20:46 cecek wrote: That is taking too far, but Dendi really is to Dota 2 what boxer and flash were to broodwar. As for DotA, I'd say Vigoss is a bigger legend than Merlini, but that's just personal preference, I'd say. That is just so incredibly disrespectful to BoxeR and Flash. I can only assume you are saying that because you never followed Brood War. | ||
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essencez
342 Posts
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YODA_
593 Posts
On September 02 2012 21:29 J1.au wrote: That is just so incredibly disrespectful to BoxeR and Flash. I can only assume you are saying that because you never followed Brood War. LOL, BW fanboys are just as incredibly annoying if not more so. Incredibly disrespectful of Boxer....by comparing Dendi to him??????? Really??? You need to grow up or something. Also, my reason loving Na'Vi is because they are an amazingly talented team that wins with incredibly flashy play and by being very aggressive at times. The Chinese just have the slow, boring, 600cs, methodical style that, while effective, is just BORING AS HELL. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On September 02 2012 20:45 Angra wrote: There's so many fans of Na'vi because people are fans of successful teams and players. Same reason why the most popular players and teams in any videogame or sport are so popular. They also stand out even more by being the western (non-chinese) team to have the most success in DotA 2 so far, and by having attractive/fun personalities. It's that simple, and pretty obvious why there's so many fanboys. I get annoyed by the fanboying too sometimes, like when I see the entire front page of /r/dota2 covered in "LOOK AT THIS THING NA'VI DID" while the success of other teams that also deserve some appreciation are buried and unnoticed, but that's just how it works in all competitive games and sports. There's also been a distinct lack of Chinese scene knowledge and coverage in general on the websites that have been the frontrunners for DotA 2 coverage since the beta was released, like joinDota, among others, who focus their attention almost exclusively on the European scene (and to a much lesser extent, the NA scene), so I think that also definitely adds to people not caring as much about the Chinese scene simply because they don't know much about it. And in turn, when you don't know about the Chinese teams, the next obvious team for a large fanbase to latch onto is Na'vi because of their success over basically any other team in the European scene. But I won't really get too into that because I think it might be a touchy subject. i agree with that 100%. i remember watching the game and reading a an observer state "why is this commentator biased?" when referring to ayesee when he had a favorable opinion for chinese dota and wasn't tooting navi's horn. it seems like it's only him, godz and triumph who truly cast chinese dota. | ||
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Fleuria
England466 Posts
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
Here NaVi comes into play: they manage to bring excitement, unpredictability, skill and the OMG-factor (i.e. Dendi`s rubic stealing ravage midfight and using it to turn the battle to their favor). Many fans want to see this because it entertains them more, than perfect lanecontrol and a 30+ Minute farm-marathon by the hardcarry. It`s very similar for mouz - they dont win everything, but have a huge fanbase, because they entertain a lot. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Well lets see: 1. They are a foreign team, they allways have more fans. 2. They play a very fun style and aren't affraid to play unorthodox when their tournament life is at stake. 3. They are able to compete with the best teams in the world. 4. Dendi has a very entertaining stream which helps a lot. 5. They have awesome personalities. That's just some of the reasons. Just look at starcraft, the best players are korean. But do they have the most fans? Hell no, guys like Stephano and Idra do. | ||
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Testuser
6469 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
then i saw them at the international 2 i think he and the team deserves it. 2 people watching it with me went from 'dota is meh' to 'holy fuck that was mind blowing'. Cheers dendi | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
Most people become fans of a certain player or team, due to their succes and Na´Vi isn't the first team to attract such fans. 2006 VP [The Vigoss fanboyism even continues today], LGD 2009 and EHOME 2010 had those as well. It's how the whole fan thing in general works. As for Dendi: Just like in football for example, where either the striker with the most goals like Ronaldo, Torres, Ibrahimovic and Gomez, or the player with the most flashy plays like Özil, Messi, Iniest, Silva etc. usually gets the most recognition - Comparing this to DotA Dendi get's his recognition for his flash actions and kills, while players like Sylar or Burning are acknowledged for their insane farming capabilities. This is just what stands out the most. Going back to footbal most people have a hard time even mentioning some decent defending players and eventually goalkeepers, because they are expected to do certain things like stealing the ball from an attacking player or catching a goalshot - But there's rarely anything spectacular about that. It's the same with the support role. In my opinion, players like SanSheng, Faith, Akke, Miracle [Best support Duo in EU imho] do a beautiful job with [de]warding, lane controlling, still managing to find farm and even sacrificing themselves for their carry if necesary - And just like in football there's rarely anything spectacular about that, but just what people expect you to do. Why are there merely and fans of chinese teams? Well just look at the exposure they have. Try getting your hands on replays of ACE, G-League etc. or find any VODs, which are NOT on youku. How do you want to know anything about them, if they keep everything secret. So now going back to why Na´Vi has so many fans: Simply due to their success & achievenemts in the past year. Ever had a friend of yours who's never been into football [or insert any other sports you like/follow] and "suddenly" is a fan of the team, which won the last season, running around in a shirt of the team, bashing on every other team and saying, how his team is the best ever? I'm very sure most of you guys have expirienced something like this already. Being on the internet only makes things worse, with people being unfriendly as humanly possible, insulting your family down to the 1st generation and just general trolling, while hiding behind the anonymity, which the internet offers. You won't see someone running on the street holding his finger high in the air yelling: "u mad 'cuz your team lost, LOL! Stupid EU/NA/CN/SEA fanboy go F yourself! My team > yours!! I told you the whole time! The internet makes people idiots and sadly those stand out the most amoung all the fans. Not every Na´Vi fan is an ignorant trolling kid and not every LGD fan is a calm minded, analytical and understanding fan - They can be kids as well. We mostly just encounter the immature part. Rember all the pubgame with that idiot flaming kid on your team? Sure you do. You probably even remember, which hero he played. Remember the pubgame, where your team was coordinating like playing in WDC finals, yet you still lost, but were satisfied, because the game was actionpacked and fun? You probably don't and if most likely won't even know the hero you played yourself in that match. tl;dr: Our brain remembers the bad times easier, than the good times and this let's it appear, like there are just dicks around us, while the distribution of "dumb fans" and "decent / acceptable fans" is probably even. Oh and one more thing: The Philosophy of games | ||
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pap0t
Philippines279 Posts
Dendi has too many annoying fans... but real dota fans know that he is just the face of Na`Vi. LoH and Puppy makes that team work. | ||
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relic
United Kingdom148 Posts
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Valon129
88 Posts
Then they won everything so i was like this guys are real beasts. Then they came to the TI2, and surprise one more time 85% of the great amazing shinny plays came from them even if they are maybe not the best ones this time. With the chinese being as boring as you can be especially LGD, it's really good to see Na'Vi play and i don't care if they win, they made TI2 good for me one more time and save it from being a snooze fest of chinese farm. They are Top3 in the world, and only team able to resist China robots. They are some kind of Dota artists whereas the Chinese are more like math pros, so chinese use stuff they know, with perfect gameplay no mistakes and Na'Vi come maybe not as disciplined but with sometimes the genius thing pop up and if they find the magic they can destroy everyone. Game 2 against iG yesterday was the best example of this magic thing. And finally i'm a fan of Dendi because he can make the magic happen for Na'Vi with shinny plays. | ||
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