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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
2. They have a consistent roster (as consistent as u can get in the dota scene lol, they only changed 1 player since TI1) 3. They are by far the most handsome team on the scene. Period. 4. "Born to win" and trademark bright yellow uniforms - great attractor. 5. They play a fun style that doesn't revolve around letting morph or sylla farm for 30 minutes. 6. Dendi. 7. Dendi playing Pudge. 8. Dendi playing Rubick. | ||
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fawkz
Bangladesh36 Posts
On September 02 2012 12:43 Torte de Lini wrote: Because he has personality, he has style in his play and he's on a team that wins. People like a Fresh Prince of Bel'Air. is there a thread you HAVNT posted in yet? seroiusly man..go outside! | ||
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Vimsey
United Kingdom2235 Posts
Also Dendi streams and you shouldnt underestimate this. Players can get extremely popular despite less skill if they are popular to watch, you get to know that person more and have more affinity with them. This is why Synderen and SingSing are arguably more popular than they should be. But NaVi have been the European team to beat all year pretty much and they were last years champions. TLO got very popular for very similar reasons. Its the way it works, people like personalities and fun play/tactics. Dendi has this in spades. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:53 yotcarter wrote: @OP... I'm new to the forums - I've read the rules regarding conduct & such - but you're full of it. Not only was most of the content in your OP misleading and extremely inaccurate ; but then you claim you've watched plenty of tournaments? I play DotA since 2003, before Guinsoo's Allstars version. I watch DotA since 2004 - I saw the 1st IGS tournaments ; the 1st WDC featuring DotA in Singapore etc. So based on what you said... Since I've seen far more tournaments than you probably have and have been in the competitive scene & top inhouses since 2005... I'm right and you're wrong? Doesn't quite work that way man. A lot of what you said was wrong, and a lot of what was right happened too long ago for new comers to really care. The game has changed. Zhou will never play Pugna mid again. People are entitled to like a certain player or team for the right or wrong reasons - "just because" holds no grounds. Not everyone has the same point of view. Yea im in the same boat you are, I found the 3 years thing pretty funny because its not long at all. Valve hosted the international last year, which had more money than any dota tournament before by a large margin. Na'vi won that international, so they have the fame. In the same way that you talk about ZSMJ, PIS and Zhou because they are the ones that get the kills and make the plays, everybody talks about Dendi because his pudge destroyed EHOME to win last year. You didn't mention 820's support when quoting chinese teams. Why is that? Because he doesn't get the attention that the carry heroes do. Personally I'm a dendi fan because of how ballsy he can be. There was a game where he picked sandking, epicenter blink borrowed into the forest behind the sentinel first tower to kill a hero and missed the whole combo, only to kill him with sandstorm. The balls to the wall dendi thread we have here comes to mind. There are better players than him, and hes certainly not the flash/boxer of dota, but he is very popular because of how much exposure he gets and the way he plays. Also the gangnam dance at the end of the game today was hilarious, especially since vilat was asking for it at the end of the game. Dendi is a character, so hes loved. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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acker
United States2958 Posts
Plus they have rather different playstyle from most players. Dendi's remembered because he generally takes big risks to make amazing plays, Burning because he generally kills everyone after twenty minutes of ricing. | ||
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soullogik
United States1171 Posts
i wouldn't count out the Chinese teams from gaining the same amount of fans. they just need to prove it in the upcoming matches/future play. navi is a charismatic team and a lot of people enjoy and want that. speaking english helps quite a bit also  | ||
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outqast
United States287 Posts
and same with their playstyles, passive-farm games aren't very exciting. Yes their execution will cause people to notice their ability but they aren't going to wow people and gain a huge fanbase after another 50 minute game of 4-protect-1. This ^^ and They do different things like let the two most auto-ban heroes in the entire tournament go to their opponent and rape them. i.e. | ||
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Elios
Brazil277 Posts
ACHIEVEMENTS 1st - The International @ Gamescom, Cologne (2011) - $1,000,000 1st - Electronic Sports World Cup, Paris (2011) - $12,000 2nd - Star Championship, Kiev (2011) - $5,000 1st - The Defense (2012) - €6,000 1st - The Premier League (2012) - $5,000 1st - Star Ladder: Star Series #1, Kiev (2012) - $6,000 2nd - Dreamhack Summer, Sweden (2012) - €5,400 1st - The Premier League, season 2 (2012) - $5,000 1st - Star Ladder: Star Series #2, Kiev (2012) - $6,000 1st - joinDota Masters Special (2012) - €1,000 And Dendi is their Ace... simple . | ||
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
Really nothing more needs to be said | ||
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Kelsier.
United States103 Posts
I have been playing dota for a long, long time (8ish years---I don't really remember when I started) and in that time I have just played the game for fun and did not follow the competitive scene at all. Then last year, I stumbled upon The Invitational having no idea that there were any plans on making dota a standalone game. Needless to say I was fascinated, not only with the idea of having dota with an actually matchmaking system and a good engine, but by dota as a competitive game. I ended up watching pretty much the whole tourney, and as I knew nothing about the teams I picked my favorite (early on I might add) based entirely on their play style: Na'Vi. Coming from a background of dota pub games, seeing a well coordinated team just push early and smash face was so refreshing from the muck I spent years playing (you know what pubs are like), that I couldn't help but root for them. When Na'Vi kept winning that merely sealed the deal. Na'Vi was the team that got me interested in dota2 (though I still haven't been able to play yet), and in dota as an esport, and as a result I'll be cheering for them as they win TI2. | ||
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fire_brand
Canada1123 Posts
Now, "why the hell is he just bashing DOTA2," you may be asking. Well I'm not really, I'm just saying I don't like watching, but I do have a point. With all the hype of TL beginning to cover DOTA2 and TI2 happening I thought I would give it a chance again. I mean the amount that Valve has pumped into this event is great and all the pomp and production around the event has been really cool to see and frankly just really impressive. So obviously it holds some sort of strong attraction to the people watching this, so I gave it another chance. These last few days I think I've watched an additionally 6 to 7 games. Aaaaaaaaaaand after the first 4 or so games my perspective remain unchanged and my opinion that Dota2 is just not a good spectator sport held true. Then I watched Na'vi play IG I think, some super power Chinese team that the commentators were just lauding before the matches. Oh nvm, just Liquipediad it, it was DK. The first game lasted something like 25 minutes, and Na'vi smashed them 21-7. And the game was freakin' exciting. After watching several 45-60 minute snore fests where one team would slowly, inevitably pull ahead of the other team until they were untouchable and then spend another 20 minutes bleeding them out, this was like I was watching a different game. It's probably unfair to attribute this entirely to Na'vi and Dendi I think they were two of the forces that made the game ridiculously exciting. The aggressive, gank happy playstyles were exciting. Even though it still felt like the was a a sort of mild grasp on game flow and disparate elements, it still made for a fairly exciting game because the action was centralized and non stop. The two parties in question, Na'vi and Dendi, attract a lot of excitement because they exude that excitement in every fiber of their being. It's shoved in down the other teams throat in game, and out of game its always evident in the way they carry and conduct themselves. I may be a veritable noob as far as the Dota2 proscene goes, but I can recognize excitement when I see it, and I see it here. I think with my less than receptive demeanor and my general lack of familiarity with the players and teams it's even more poignant to see them raise a response like that in me. Watching all these teams, and all the games, no players, or teams really stuck out to me, or even really interested me until I watched Na'vi. Their games, like the ones I've seen up until now, were magnetic. TLDR I haven't like watching any of these TI2 games and dota2 in general, but Na'vi's games have excited me. Their team and players have a flare and magnetism that is undeniable. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10665 Posts
On September 02 2012 15:47 Kupon3ss wrote: there are a lot of dendi/na'vi fanboys because they're the only team with white people that are able to compete Oh you =P | ||
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Incze
Romania2058 Posts
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:35 TheYango wrote: Yup. But apparently the fans love Dagon Puck more than immaculate hard lane play or some of the smartest drafting in the game. just like basketball fans loved Jordan more than Stockton (not a fair comparison but you get the point) | ||
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Saraf
United States160 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:04 TheYango wrote: I can understand the Na'Vi fanboying. It's actually more surprising that Dendi gets so much love when he's arguably much less outstanding than the other members of Na'Vi. Puppey is a much more exceptional captain, and LightOfHeaven a much more exceptional hard lane solo than Dendi is as a mid player. It's just that those roles get less recognition in general. When I first started watching Dota 2, I thought Tobi was saying "LineOfHeaven". The first 5 or so games I saw of Na'Vi's all had LightOfHeaven as windrunner and I don't remember a single shackle into a fight that *didn't* latch onto two heroes including the carry. I was like "man, so that's why he's called line of heaven", lol. | ||
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Dota2
Romania4 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
I personally do think Dendi gets more credit than he deserves. I think Puppey, LightofHeaven, and AA are arguably more talented than Dendi and XBoct, but Dendi and XBoct happen to get the most attention. It seems that in the Western scene, having a personality to relate to, or a "fun" personality, is always more important than talent (much like the SC2 scene) while in the Eastern scene, talent is regarded as the epitome of a pro-gamer. The same can be said about gameplay preference. A lot of people think it's enjoyable to watch a Na'Vi-style game where towers are pushed and game gets ended in 20ish minutes, but some others think that watching Chinese games display a certain form of perfected execution, positioning, and strategy is more enjoyable although it takes 40-60 minutes. The reason for a lot of the blind fanboy-ism is that, in the end, it is still a lot easier to cheer/relate to a European team than it is a Chinese team, much like how in SC2, people ride the foreigner bandwagon a lot more than rooting for Korean players. Many Chinese players have equal if not greater skill than Na'Vi, but mostly go unrecognized. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
"But X is better" is such a weak argument. It can be one reason. | ||
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