why all these dendi / navi' fanboys? - Page 2
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RyzeDotA
Denmark65 Posts
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Saddo
Germany59 Posts
this post officialy might sound so gay, but no other way to express my feelings | ||
hootsushi
Germany3468 Posts
Also, Dendi and SingSing too, are popular among western fans, because they're streaming pretty often and receive a lot exposure in general. It's just entertaining to watch them play because of their high risk, high reward playstyle. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:09 Plansix wrote: Really, Puppey was on Live on Three this week and talked about the matches this weekend, so I decided to check them out. They showed some really good style and Puppey is a great team captain. Even being new to DotA 2, I could tell shutting down the Naga-sleep combo was super impressive. And they have more character than any of the Chinese teams I have watched this weekend. I mean, that's also by virtue of the fact that they get virtually no exposure to Western E-sports media. | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:12 TheYango wrote: I mean, that's also by virtue of the fact that they get virtually no exposure to Western E-sports media. Yeah, huge shocker that entire teams that does not speak english does not get a ton of exposure Western E-sports. In other news, French television shows do really poorly when shown in countries that are not France. | ||
Xeteh
United States589 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:17 Plansix wrote: Yeah, huge shocker that entire teams that does not speak english does not get a ton of exposure Western E-sports. In other news, French television shows do really poorly when shown in countries that are not France. Except in Canada. | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
And everyone left is Asian (and Loda). | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Wait, part of Canada speaks French, you can't trick me! | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:10 RyzeDotA wrote: When a chinese team dominate for an entire year, their players will get fame aswell. I mean, a Chinese team dominating Western play for a whole year is going to be impossible even if there is one strong enough, because they'd have to be playing in Western online tournaments at 400 ping, which is probably a waste of time compared to just winning Chinese events. | ||
Tevinhead
United Kingdom470 Posts
Puppey the hivemind, very very intelligent player, with deep game understanding. Light Of Heaven the ever so consistent off-laner. XBOCT the carry that seems to start carrying 15 minutes before other team's carry does. Ars-art the secret carry, always linking with his team perfectly, creating kills and saving carries. All of these players are amazing in their own right. But it's Dendi with that mechanical skill to pull off any idea he thinks of. The reaction time to dodge that which most couldn't and the balls to always try the improbable. And it's not just his skills, he's a funny guy, always likes to be a joker, always trolling. He's an entertainer in and out of the game as well as a very nice and mannered guy. Sort of like a cross between MC and White-Ra. Add all of this entertainment value and skill, then add the fact that he's in the most successful Dota 2 team, by far. And you have clear reasons for fanboyism. OPA DENDI <3 | ||
Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
I'm surprised that you need someone to answer that, honestly. | ||
findingthelimit
Hong Kong219 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:09 Plansix wrote: I agree, this is the anti fan thread. If you look closely, the OP is from Hong Kong, so we can safely assume he is cheering for his local teams. He is also dumbfounded by why we would cheer for a team that isn't from the scene he follows. Really, Puppey was on Live on Three this week and talked about the matches this weekend, so I decided to check them out. They showed some really good style and Puppey is a great team captain. Even being new to DotA 2, I could tell shutting down the Naga-sleep combo was super impressive. And they have more character than any of the Chinese teams I have watched this weekend. I don't think you read through my OP (I don't blame you, the post is indeed longer than I intended it to be), but I clearly stated that I didn't initially intend my post to be a rant, and I have probably been watching dota tournaments earlier than you have. Indeed I'm from Hong Kong, so what I say could possibly be biased, but that doesn't imply you could discard everything I say as being irrelevant... And neither am I judging what you say based on where you're from -_- I'm indeed a little annoyed at Na'vi's popularity, and that's because I have seen many other dota teams who have displayed equal or superior skill. I haven't watched puppey's games, but I'm not denying that puppey is a great team captain. But you are overlooking other games that you may not have access to... You weren't around when the CK-Lina DS-kunkka, radiance-alchemist combos got invented and shut down, but those games show spectacular play as well. I'm not in any way denying that Puppey / Na'vi is a strong team, I'm just saying that there are perhaps better teams out there that you are ignorant to or indifferent of. btw, the ck-lina combo got diminished due to the the shift to tri-laning, and ds-kunkka combo was no longer used due to it having no real late game pushing potential. Radiance alchemist was hard countered by morphling copying a replicate radiance tank, and AA's blast denying alchemist's ability to regen health. those are interesting plays you should definitely check out if you care. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:25 Tevinhead wrote: Dendi is a player that likes to make stuff happen. He isn't afraid to do things that others would be. And when it pays off he makes really amazing plays, when it doesn't, well not as much notice is taken. However Dendi does deserve the hype in my opinion. His reaction times and consistency just speak of someone with a lot of natural talent. This is a player who was accused by the community in DOTA 1 for using macros and scripts because apparently no one can invoke with such speed and accuracy. Dendi responded by posting a video of himself in wtf mode with invoker and proceeding to cast every single spell in very quick succession whilst you can see his fingers. His fingers looked like that of a BW pro. Puppey the hivemind, very very intelligent player, with deep game understanding. Light Of Heaven the ever so consistent off-laner. XBOCT the carry that seems to start carrying 15 minutes before other team's carry does. Ars-art the secret carry, always linking with his team perfectly, creating kills and saving carries. All of these players are amazing in their own right. But it's Dendi with that mechanical skill to pull off any idea he thinks of. The reaction time to dodge that which most couldn't and the balls to always try the improbable. And it's not just his skills, he's a funny guy, always likes to be a joker, always trolling. He's an entertainer in and out of the game as well as a very nice and mannered guy. Sort of like a cross between MC and White-Ra. Add all of this entertainment value and skill, then add the fact that he's in the most successful Dota 2 team, by far. And you have clear reasons for fanboyism. OPA DENDI <3 Except if you compare Dendi's mid lane play to his counterparts on other teams, it's been arguably much less exceptional than Puppey or LoH. The only reason it shines in the fans' eyes is because the 2nd position/mid lane role gets more attention, because it gets lots of kills. | ||
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Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:26 findingthelimit wrote: I don't think you read through my OP (I don't blame you, the post is indeed longer than I intended it to be), but I clearly stated that I didn't initially intend my post to be a rant, and I have probably been watching dota tournaments earlier than you have. Indeed I'm from Hong Kong, so what I say could possibly be biased, but that doesn't imply you could discard everything I say as being irrelevant... And neither am I judging what you say based on where you're from -_- I'm indeed a little annoyed at Na'vi's popularity, and that's because I have seen many other dota teams who have displayed equal or superior skill. I haven't watched puppey's games, but I'm not denying that puppey is a great team captain. But you are overlooking other games that you may not have access to... You weren't around when the CK-Lina DS-kunkka, radiance-alchemist combos got invented and shut down, but those games show spectacular play as well. I'm not in any way denying that Puppey / Na'vi is a strong team, I'm just saying that there are perhaps better teams out there that you are ignorant to or indifferent of. btw, the ck-lina combo got diminished due to the the shift to tri-laning, and ds-kunkka combo was no longer used due to it having no real late game pushing potential. Radiance alchemist was hard countered by morphling copying a replicate radiance tank, and AA's blast denying alchemist's ability to regen health. those are interesting plays you should definitely check out if you care. you've been around forever, we haven't. we get it. na'vi are our heroes and ever since the first international when i got into watching competative dota they've been dominant, fun to watch, full of personality and just generally awesome. It should be fairly easy to understand, for the same reasons that you revere the chinese players, we revere navi. | ||
superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:28 TheYango wrote: Except if you compare Dendi's mid lane play to his counterparts on other teams, it's been arguably much less exceptional than Puppey or LoH. The only reason it shines in the fans' eyes is because the 2nd position/mid lane role gets more attention, because it gets lots of kills. Puppey/LOH have been carrying Na'vi the entire time. LOH in particular. Since they've made it into WB finals, LOH has been outperforming his team a vast majority of time. On September 02 2012 13:30 Kiante wrote: you've been around forever, we haven't. we get it. na'vi are our heroes and ever since the first international when i got into watching competative dota they've been dominant, fun to watch, full of personality and just generally awesome. It should be fairly easy to understand, for the same reasons that you revere the chinese players, we revere navi. The problem is not whether or not anyone respects / reveres teams or not. It's that sometimes Na'vi fans sometimes are so in love with their team that they forget that there are many teams that have had far more dominant runs than Na'vi has. And there are plenty of players in the Eastern world just as good as Na'vi and can beat them quite easily on any given day. Believing that Dendi is the best solo mid for instance, is quite funny especially considering he has been beat mid quite often this tournament, and his lane is covered up by LOH/Puppey's dominance this entire time. | ||
Burns
United States2300 Posts
They always play games that are fun to watch. Even if they pick standard heroes and the games are just amazingly fun to watch, epic team fights, epic plays, the team work is great, and they play with flair. Its like watching Spain play soccer in the world cup. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:31 superstartran wrote: Puppey/LOH have been carrying Na'vi the entire time. LOH in particular. Since they've made it into WB finals, LOH has been outperforming his team a vast majority of time. Yup. But apparently the fans love Dagon Puck more than immaculate hard lane play or some of the smartest drafting in the game. | ||
Reap_
Brunei Darussalam760 Posts
Edit: Also, what happened to Seaking? | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:26 findingthelimit wrote: I don't think you read through my OP (I don't blame you, the post is indeed longer than I intended it to be), but I clearly stated that I didn't initially intend my post to be a rant, and I have probably been watching dota tournaments earlier than you have. Indeed I'm from Hong Kong, so what I say could possibly be biased, but that doesn't imply you could discard everything I say as being irrelevant... And neither am I judging what you say based on where you're from -_- I'm indeed a little annoyed at Na'vi's popularity, and that's because I have seen many other dota teams who have displayed equal or superior skill. I haven't watched puppey's games, but I'm not denying that puppey is a great team captain. But you are overlooking other games that you may not have access to... You weren't around when the CK-Lina DS-kunkka, radiance-alchemist combos got invented and shut down, but those games show spectacular play as well. I'm not in any way denying that Puppey / Na'vi is a strong team, I'm just saying that there are perhaps better teams out there that you are ignorant to or indifferent of. btw, the ck-lina combo got diminished due to the the shift to tri-laning, and ds-kunkka combo was no longer used due to it having no real late game pushing potential. Radiance alchemist was hard countered by morphling copying a replicate radiance tank, and AA's blast denying alchemist's ability to regen health. those are interesting plays you should definitely check out if you care. Just because you say it is not a rant does not make it less of a rant. Its like saying "I don't mean to be rude" and then screaming at them. To be very frank, asking people why are they are fans of something is just dumb. The same goes for relating skill to whether or not people should be a fan of a team is also dumb. I have been a fan of the Boston Red Sox for most of my life. During the majority of that time, they had not won a World Series in 86 years. They were a very bad team. People do not like teams based on skill. They can respect skill, but that does not mean they have to be fans of that team. | ||
hootsushi
Germany3468 Posts
On September 02 2012 13:31 superstartran wrote: Puppey/LOH have been carrying Na'vi the entire time. LOH in particular. Since they've made it into WB finals, LOH has been outperforming his team a vast majority of time. Na'Vi is in my opinion one of the few dota 2 teams, where every single player has equal importance to the teams success. Dendi is the frontman because he's a) playing the ganking role, which is the most fun to watch I guess, and b) of his high risk, high reward playstyle. It can completely change teamfights, and if it doesn't the majority does not care too much. Most people don't appreciate a stellar, solid performance by the support player as much as ganks/kills by the mid/hc player.. It's comparable to Football, where the striker is the most popular person on a team. | ||
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