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On September 02 2012 20:46 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 12:11 findingthelimit wrote:I saw another thread stating that Dendi is to dota, just as MVP is to wings of liberty and boxer / flash is to brood war... that pissed me off pretty bad  . Despite being a fan of Chinese teams, if I must make a decision, I would say Ben "Merlini" Wu is my favorite player; he stomped early versions of Dota single handedly with "shit" heroes like zeus. That is taking too far, but Dendi really is to Dota 2 what boxer and flash were to broodwar. As for DotA, I'd say Vigoss is a bigger legend than Merlini, but that's just personal preference, I'd say.
Guess what, that thread said Dendi is to Dota 2 what Boxer is to broodwar. People love to take things out of context, specially when they are complaining about something. I dare you to face someone to represent Dota2 so far better than Dendi.
I really have no idea how someone can be mad about people supporting Navi. And even less how you can be surprised about it. You don`t support the best team all the time, that wouldn`t be very fun would it? Mouz has a huge amount of fans and they are a mid tier team just because they are carismatic and fun to watch. Puppey is always amazing whenever he is interviewed or joins a cast, you can`t dislike the guy. Navi overall has a lot of characteristics that make they a fan favorite. They are very good, they have a tendency to rise to the challenge and pull it off on the hardest and most important situations, they do unorthodox strats and actually win, they stream, etc. Then looking at this tournament we even have the underdog effect going on for them. There was a reason everyone was rooting for mTw in DH as well.
And you expect people to be fans of chinese teams? Really? Teams that have no western media coverage, don`t play in western tournaments and most people watching probally have known about them for about a week? This is what doesn`t make sense. There are a few hardcore supporters that go out of their away to watch and support chinese teams, but it`s still not something readily avaible on the western media and not something you should expect of the majority of viewers.
And this is all ignoring the white dudes effect.
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On September 02 2012 21:35 YODA_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 21:29 J1.au wrote:On September 02 2012 20:46 cecek wrote:On September 02 2012 12:11 findingthelimit wrote:I saw another thread stating that Dendi is to dota, just as MVP is to wings of liberty and boxer / flash is to brood war... that pissed me off pretty bad . Despite being a fan of Chinese teams, if I must make a decision, I would say Ben "Merlini" Wu is my favorite player; he stomped early versions of Dota single handedly with "shit" heroes like zeus. That is taking too far, but Dendi really is to Dota 2 what boxer and flash were to broodwar. As for DotA, I'd say Vigoss is a bigger legend than Merlini, but that's just personal preference, I'd say. That is just so incredibly disrespectful to BoxeR and Flash. I can only assume you are saying that because you never followed Brood War. LOL, BW fanboys are just as incredibly annoying if not more so. Incredibly disrespectful of Boxer....by comparing Dendi to him??????? Really??? You need to grow up or something. Also, my reason loving Na'Vi is because they are an amazingly talented team that wins with incredibly flashy play and by being very aggressive at times. The Chinese just have the slow, boring, 600cs, methodical style that, while effective, is just BORING AS HELL.
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On September 02 2012 13:35 TheYango wrote:
But apparently the fans love Dagon Puck more than immaculate hard lane play or some of the smartest drafting in the game.
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On September 02 2012 13:35 TheYango wrote:
But apparently the fans love Dagon Puck more than immaculate hard lane play or some of the smartest drafting in the game.
but that is just plain wrong, puppy does some of the best drafting around.
How do you think they won over IG?!
because puppy drafted better.
They let them take naga siren because they knew exactly how to counter her
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On September 02 2012 23:25 Ramong wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:35 TheYango wrote:
But apparently the fans love Dagon Puck more than immaculate hard lane play or some of the smartest drafting in the game. but that is just plain wrong, puppy does some of the best drafting around. How do you think they won over IG?! because puppy drafted better. They let them take naga siren because they knew exactly how to counter her
Which is exactly what he said. He said dendi takes all the spotlight from people like lightofheaven and puppey, even though they're arguably the two best players on the team.
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okay then, I apologies if that was the case.
Thought he ment people rather see flashy players like dendi than calculated drafters like the chinese
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Most accomplished team in an esports got lots of fans, I think this is an issue for sure. Maybe we should ask Valve to change the english client to chinese so all of those newschool idiots have to pilgrim to China, learn the language and take a class in dota history. After that those philistines should realize how foolish the choice of team was who they cheer for.
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I'll be honest. You're kinda like someone who doesn't like watching parting play pvt. You may not be as enthused, but there will never be a way for you to be understood by standard fans of the game. We love parting, we love dendi
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The answer is so obvious that this thread shouldn't even exist. Why don't you go write and article on Chinese dota teams instead, explaining how good they are and why? Don't you think it's a little bit stupid to ask why a player whose team has dominated dota 2 for a big chunk of its life is popular? I wonder what reaction you expected.
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On September 02 2012 23:49 urdak wrote:
The answer is so obvious that this thread shouldn't even exist. Why don't you go write and article on Chinese dota teams instead, explaining how good they are and why? Don't you think it's a little bit stupid to ask why a player whose team has dominated dota 2 for a big chunk of its life is popular? I wonder what reaction you expected.
More importantly; why does it matter? Because certain Chinese players "deserve" more attention? What the hell is that, just enjoy the nice plays regardless.
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This thread is pointless, for sure. Inevitable flame war ignition :p.
Na'Vi won the first international. Huge exposure, and gives them huge appeal to Dota 2 fans (particularly those who don't follow the scene too closely). You say there are many players better than Dendi - I'd have to say I disagree. I'd say there are other players around that peak level, but I can't think of any that I'd say were flat out 'better'. Na'Vi have a very aggressive style which is fun to watch - this does not mean they don't make solid drafts. Just because they have huge playmakers and can pull off unusual strats/heroes well doesn't make them gimmicky. They also have a lot of character which shows in and out of game. Who wouldn't support Na'Vi? :D
What's more funny is the kneejerk reaction to Na'Vi losing some games in the group stages. Anyone who actually follows the scene knows that that was not Na'Vi playing well.
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Why does TLO have so many fans? He doesn't even win tournaments.
Dendi/Na'Vi is similar in Dota 2. They play with style and flair, except they dominate the scene as well.
Isn't the answer obvious?
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People like him because he's a good player and has style and flair both in the game and out. That's why Singsing, for example, is my favorite stream to watch. Sure his language isn't for everyone but I find him funny as hell.
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The question is how can you not love dendi and navi? They've been dominating DotA2 so far, they're cool guys, they have an entertaining playstyle. Dendi, who is an extremly good player also plays the heroes which the crowd loves to see. Pudge for example is maybe the most popular hero, yet he is underused in competitve play.
The chinese are really good, no doubt about that, but you dont get to see much of them here in the western world. And them being so good contributes even more to navis popularity because they're like "the foreign hope", similar to stephano in sc2 for example.
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On September 03 2012 00:19 riptide wrote:I would answer your question, but this site does it much better than I ever could - http://dendifacts.com/
"Heavy thinks nobody can outsmart bullet. Heavy hasn't met Dendi."
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I never got why many people dont like the chinese play style of safe and going for late game because dont most people prefer the long macro games in bw compared to fast all in cheeses? I mean the later the game goes the weaker team will make more and more mistakes so the better team will come up?
I heard dota players always said that late game was more luck cuz if someone gets caught it can be a totally turn around though so idk. Just was always weird seeing many people hate on the chinese style when I always thought it was the most perfect/best strategy of all.
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On September 02 2012 23:25 Ramong wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2012 13:35 TheYango wrote:
But apparently the fans love Dagon Puck more than immaculate hard lane play or some of the smartest drafting in the game. but that is just plain wrong, puppy does some of the best drafting around. How do you think they won over IG?! because puppy drafted better. They let them take naga siren because they knew exactly how to counter her
There really wasn't a counter; Puppey and everyone else on that team both know that Zhou really fucked up big time. It was more of the fact that most of the Chinese teams outside of Tongfu for one game completely messed up on most of the Naga combos.
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Okay guys I think I know the answer !
It's pretty obvious that Dendi is in fact the next zerg bonjwa and therefore he's the best player to represent USA
+ Show Spoiler +Don't kill me please I HAD to do it !
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If I had to make a choice between watching Na'vi + Dendi or watching the 2 best Chinese teams fight, I'd pick the former any day. Chinese teams are definitely good, but their matches are incredible snorefests. Farm farm farm, never taking a single risk. It's obvious that people would rather watch exciting games instead of 60 minute PvE.
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