EPT[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 34
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On July 14 2012 03:36 Nuclease wrote: + Show Spoiler + Losing more and more respect for ByuN. First, the cheating scandal. And now, he realizes that he can do the bunker block....mysteriously.....and doesn't say ANYTHING, takes advantage of it, and Nestea loses.  mysteriously? are you trying to imply that he slipped the mapmaker a $20 bill or what? | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On July 14 2012 03:36 Nuclease wrote: Losing more and more respect for ByuN. First, the cheating scandal. And now, he realizes that he can do the bunker block....mysteriously.....and doesn't say ANYTHING, takes advantage of it, and Nestea loses. You should be ashamed of yourself. It should be GOM that has lost some of your respect, for making such a egregious error in administration of their league. Byun is a competitive player, and he'll do whatever it takes to win. It's one of the reasons he's in the Ro4 this season. If you had actually watched the series, he wiped the floor with NesTea in the other two games. An experienced professional gamer and champion, like NesTea, can't use tilting as an excuse for losing 3:0. Byun was just the better player yesterday, and I'm as big of a NesTea fan as anyone (OK maybe not Artosis). | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:23 sc2superfan101 wrote: mysteriously? are you trying to imply that he slipped the mapmaker a $20 bill or what? No he's saying that byun is at fault for not informing GSL of this despite knowing that every GSL map had to have a supply depot that made such a block impossible for balance reasons. It's basically the same as finding that one of the GSL maps accidently has marines doing 2 more base damage and not telling someone, it is not intended and gives him an unfair advantage. We can guess as to weather or not nestea would've won or lost the series if the bunker block hadn't happened, but the fact still remains that it did happen and byun knew about it ahead of time and didn't tell officials about a flaw in the map. Very shady of byun and made me lose a lot of respect for him and his team. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
that depot is for looks/viewership..its not for balance, stop using that as an excuse | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:06 Doomwish wrote: I feel like alot of people are downplaying how important the first set in any match is. It gives the winner so much mental momentum going into the next game. I don't have the statistics in front of me to back it up, but in any best of x series I would be willing to bet the winner of the first game is more often then not the series winner. That's the problem. The first map is always important. If Metropolis is the 4th, 5th map, I can understand why Nestea didn't practice on it, but it's the first map, he's supposed to play a lot on it, his practice partners and teammates should have noticed it too. Same case with Byun, if he notices it, he has to practice the strat with his practice partners and teammates, and his practice partners should casually talk about it with their teammates and so on. Overall, thing is not as big as we make out to be, and not as small as it is supposed to be. I bet there're a bunch of progamers know about the map, but they just don't care/don't think of strat that take advantage of it given how big and macro-oriented Metropolis is. If we look at another angle: If Byun has been practicing on the map, refining his bunker strats, then on game day, GOM suddenly patch the map and it has depot s now. Can Byun complain about it? I doubt so. | ||
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Shiori
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On July 14 2012 04:26 hunts wrote: No he's saying that byun is at fault for not informing GSL of this despite knowing that every GSL map had to have a supply depot that made such a block impossible for balance reasons. It's basically the same as finding that one of the GSL maps accidently has marines doing 2 more base damage and not telling someone, it is not intended and gives him an unfair advantage. We can guess as to weather or not nestea would've won or lost the series if the bunker block hadn't happened, but the fact still remains that it did happen and byun knew about it ahead of time and didn't tell officials about a flaw in the map. Very shady of byun and made me lose a lot of respect for him and his team. Rofl...can someone please close this thread? I'm sick of hearing ridiculous equivocations like this one. Dual Sight + Crossfire didn't have supply depots by the way, and they were used for a long time. Plus, Bunker wall-offs aren't even imbalanced, especially in light of the new Queen change. Nobody cares if you don't like Byun or his team. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:28 Shiori wrote: Rofl...can someone please close this thread? I'm sick of hearing ridiculous equivocations like this one. Dual Sight + Crossfire didn't have supply depots by the way, and they were used for a long time. i made a post in website feedback about closing it, no replys yet the byun abuse is becoming pretty bad though, add to my thread  | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:26 hunts wrote: No he's saying that byun is at fault for not informing GSL of this despite knowing that every GSL map had to have a supply depot that made such a block impossible for balance reasons. It's basically the same as finding that one of the GSL maps accidently has marines doing 2 more base damage and not telling someone, it is not intended and gives him an unfair advantage. We can guess as to weather or not nestea would've won or lost the series if the bunker block hadn't happened, but the fact still remains that it did happen and byun knew about it ahead of time and didn't tell officials about a flaw in the map. Very shady of byun and made me lose a lot of respect for him and his team. no that's not what he's saying... or if it is, he needs to learn to say things correctly, because there is nothing mysterious about your theory/explanation at all. he's clearly implying something else here, or he is just talking nonsense. his team? lol why his team? i like how the warriors-for-justice in this thread care more about it than Nestea does.. -.- | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:29 sc2superfan101 wrote: no that's not what he's saying... or if it is, he needs to learn to say things correctly, because there is nothing mysterious about your theory/explanation at all. he's clearly implying something else here, or he is just talking nonsense. his team? lol why his team? i like how the warriors-for-justice in this thread care more about it than Nestea does.. -.- Because obviously his team knew about this and never told GSL staff, so they are just as much at fault. He practiced it vs his teammate bboongbboong, obviously his teammates saw him practice it, and since it was a major build he had planned they must've known about it. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:31 hunts wrote: Because obviously his team knew about this and never told GSL staff, so they are just as much at fault. He practiced it vs his teammate bboongbboong, obviously his teammates saw him practice it, and since it was a major build he had planned they must've known about it. Please find me where it says in the rules that it is the responsibility of teams to tell Gom every time a Gom-driven change appears odd. | ||
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
2. Keep the knowledge to yourself and abuse the bug to attempt to win a round vs. Nestea Number 2 is clearly the wrong decision for a professional to make. At least one that wants to be considered a professional. GSL messed up, but the fans and players should help keep things like this from happening. We do that all the time here on TL. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:50 Prime Directive wrote: 1. Report the obvious bug to GSL so that the depot can be reinstated as it should be 2. Keep the knowledge to yourself and abuse the bug to attempt to win a round vs. Nestea Number 2 is clearly the wrong decision for a professional to make. At least one that wants to be considered a professional. GSL messed up, but the fans and players should help keep things like this from happening. We do that all the time here on TL. By "we do that all the time" you mean we organize retarded, overzealous witch hunts. Byun doesn't deserve that. Number 2 is not clearly the wrong decision, and you haven't proved why. Nobody in this thread has. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:50 Prime Directive wrote: 1. Report the obvious bug to GSL so that the depot can be reinstated as it should be 2. Keep the knowledge to yourself and abuse the bug to attempt to win a round vs. Nestea Number 2 is clearly the wrong decision for a professional to make. At least one that wants to be considered a professional. GSL messed up, but the fans and players should help keep things like this from happening. We do that all the time here on TL. How was that an obvious bug? Tastosis did not know it was a bug during the match. GSL official did not know it was a bug during the match. GomTV's own John posted on twitter (wrongly) that there were no neutral supply depots on Metropolis. It's been in play for weeks and no one seems to notice or care. Of course we know NOW it was a bug, but how was it obvious before the match? | ||
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:53 ragz_gt wrote: How was that an obvious bug? Tastosis did not know it was a bug during the match. GSL official did not know it was a bug during the match. GomTV's own John posted on twitter (wrongly) that there were no neutral supply depots on Metropolis. It's been in play for weeks and no one seems to notice or care. Of course we know NOW it was a bug, but how was it obvious before the match? I mean that if you knew there was no supply depot there, you would know it was a bug and that you should report it. It's hard to spot, but obviously a bug once you do spot it. Also, to the other poster above me, by "we do that all the time" I was referring to our attempts to communicate to Blizzard about things in the game we consider broken. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:31 hunts wrote: Because obviously his team knew about this and never told GSL staff, so they are just as much at fault. He practiced it vs his teammate bboongbboong, obviously his teammates saw him practice it, and since it was a major build he had planned they must've known about it. Ahahahaha, please, keep making more of a fool of yourself. It's endlessly amusing. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:57 Prime Directive wrote: I mean that if you knew there was no supply depot there, you would know it was a bug and that you should report it. It's hard to spot, but obviously a bug once you do spot it. Also, to the other poster above me, by "we do that all the time" I was referring to our attempts to communicate to Blizzard about things in the game we consider broken. How was it obviously a bug once you spot it though? Neutral supply depot is not required map feature - there is no neutral depot on ladder map, and T doesn't have 100% win rate against Zerg. In fact, they doesn't haven't 50% win rate against Zerg. It is arguable that the neutral depot should be removed with the Queen range buff. It is especially true for Metropolis, where T have 33% win rate against Zerg. The change was done to GomTV's official version. It is plausible to assume that Gom wanted to balance the map a bit and removed the depots, it might be odd that there was no communication, but I doubt their communication protocol is on par with USMC. If it was not obviously a bug to GomTV's own John even after he saw the match, how was it obvious to players before it? | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On July 14 2012 04:57 Prime Directive wrote: I mean that if you knew there was no supply depot there, you would know it was a bug and that you should report it. It's hard to spot, but obviously a bug once you do spot it. Also, to the other poster above me, by "we do that all the time" I was referring to our attempts to communicate to Blizzard about things in the game we consider broken. everyone in his post that he referenced (except maybe the players) was aware that the supply depot was not there, and they were confused. in the LR there was a massive argument that seemed to be split pretty 50-50 about whether it was supposed to be there or not. i mean, Byun might have known that it was a bug, but you can't just assume that he knew it was a bug and not a simple map-change. also, even if he knew it was a bug, that doesn't mean he shouldn't use it. imo, bugs/glitches in e-sports should be fair play as long as it's not caused by the user (maphack of some sort). | ||
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JuiceBoxHero
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
On July 14 2012 05:03 ragz_gt wrote: How was it obviously a bug once you spot it though? Neutral supply depot is not required map feature - there is no neutral depot on ladder map, and T doesn't have 100% win rate against Zerg. In fact, they doesn't haven't 50% win rate against Zerg. It is arguable that the neutral depot should be removed with the Queen range buff. It is especially true for Metropolis, where T have 33% win rate against Zerg. The change was done to GomTV's official version. It is plausible to assume that Gom wanted to balance the map a bit and removed the depots, it might be odd that there was no communication, but I doubt their communication protocol is on par with USMC. If it was not obviously a bug to GomTV's own John even after he saw the match, how was it obvious to players? Because every other GSL map with that kind of ramp has the depots? Let me know if i'm wrong about that but I believe that's the case. | ||
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