EPT[Spoilers] GSL Metropolis Neutral Depot Situation - Page 31
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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Sumadin
Denmark588 Posts
On July 13 2012 22:42 Markwerf wrote: The weirdest thing about it all is that GomTV simply didn't interrupt the game when they noticed it. A referee should interrupt the game if he notices something is wrong with the game or playing field. It's like in tennis when the referee thinks the net is too low or it rains too much, the ref is and should be able to take the decision on it's own. Surely GomTV must have known something was wrong the moment the bunkers went down.. Problem is that it is too far in. The proxy was already made, they were already in game. In your example a referee wouldn't be able to do it midfight when one of players was hard pressed. Nestea should have paused the game on spot but reality is he didn't so this is where we is. | ||
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Zandar
Netherlands1541 Posts
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
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SnipedSoul
Canada2158 Posts
On July 13 2012 23:08 Zandar wrote: Pretty lame to exploit a bug like that instead of acting like a progamer should and let GSL know about it, How was Byun to know it was a bug? The map without a depot was used for several matches and no one said anything until Byun blocked the ramp with bunkers. It's GOM's fault for not noticing that one of their maps was missing the neutral depot. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On July 13 2012 23:11 skipdog172 wrote: Still just one game.... mistakes happen. Nestea got outclased every game regardless of that depot incident though... The series may have ended differently though if that game didn't happen. Honestly nothing wrong with ByuN using it (or attempting to), but the GSL ref should have required a regame at that point, that was ridiculously poorly handled by GOM. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On July 13 2012 23:14 SnipedSoul wrote: How was Byun to know it was a bug? The map without a depot was used for several matches and no one said anything until Byun blocked the ramp with bunkers. It's GOM's fault for not noticing that one of their maps was missing the neutral depot. Dude he knew it was a bug, all GSL maps have neutral supply depots + he's played the map a million times before the issue with a neutral supply depot, and GOMTV never made an official statement about a change on the maps. It's really surprising no one even mentioned the change in the code a games. | ||
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iGn1t3
Hong Kong73 Posts
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BraveProbe
36 Posts
It's really hard to blame the players or coaches on this one. Making sure these things do not happen should be GOM's job. | ||
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Peqqz
Germany201 Posts
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TheBorg
Netherlands56 Posts
And NesTea should've known which version of Metropolis was supposed to have been used - he is a pro after all. When the double bunkers went down, he could've paused and said: "Wait a minute, isn't there supposed to be a neutral depot there?" May be if he does that, he gets the mental upper-hand?! But shoulda, coulda, woulda - NesTea was outplayed and it's very big of him and LG-IM to accept their loss gracefully, rather than what happens in other pro-sports where players/teams demand rematches after losses for the slightest irregularities. NesTea - not just the creator of the universe, but also a real class act.  | ||
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nakedsurfer
Canada500 Posts
On July 13 2012 23:14 FairForever wrote: The series may have ended differently though if that game didn't happen. Honestly nothing wrong with ByuN using it (or attempting to), but the GSL ref should have required a regame at that point, that was ridiculously poorly handled by GOM. I'm going to assume that you posted this after the official statement. The refs asked the coach and Nestea if they wanted to do a rematch since they pointed the mistake out to the refs after the game was over. They declined the rematch. This kind of thing shouldn't happen but shit does happen time to time. I think they handled it the best way. You don't want to force the player who lost to play a rematch if they don't want to. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
On July 13 2012 09:31 ohampatu wrote: 1. Nestea could have paused when he noticed. 2. If Nestea didn't notice ingame, thats his fault for lack of awareness. 3. Nestea is the only person to blame for not asking for a regame upong noticing the depot. 4. Bunker rush is a fair strategy, people use it all the time, just not ramp blocks . So no, thats not irrelevant. We brought it u because Nestea didn't react even semi appropiately to the bunkers. 5. A simple patrol done correctly beats this, it shouldn't even be in the game. Its lazy. It wasn't added for balance. It was added for viwership. The maps are balanced on ladder, where they dont have the depot. It doesn't matter if byun did or didn't know the depot was needed. Earlier i stated my opinion on him thinking it was legit, but even if he knew it should be there, he did his homework where others didn't. This is one of the most ignorant and painful to read posts I have ever seen. All your points 1-3 are just ridiculous. Koreans are not like foreigners (NaNiwa...); if they think the map is wrong, they do not immediately pause the game and call GSL a "joke tournament." They are not going to pause the game to get a clarification on the rules and as to whether or not that bunker rush is "legal." NesTea also probably went in to the game not having a single thought about bunkers at the bottom of his ramp so he was not prepared for it. As far as point 4 goes, bunker rushes are completely legal and fair and if you place them right you can even abuse map terrain (Mvp vs Lucky on Entombed Valley, for instance--though I am not sure if they changed that small spot where you could hide a Marine). However, the community decided a long time ago that being able to block ramps early game leads to situations where the Zerg cannot win. You yourself even say "just not ramp blocks;" there is a reason why people do not use ramp blocks: maps have been designed to prevent that from happening. Had NesTea gone into this game knowing that that depot was not there like Byun did, he almost certainly would have reacted to the Maka Rax by preventing any bunker wall ins. However, he was not prepared for it because a long time ago it was decided that bunker blocking ramps was unfair and bad for viewership. Having a single, random drone running back and forth at your ramp is something that you don't just do. It does beat this strategy, but it's a strategy that is abusing the fact that it is not the map that NesTea was expecting to play on. And they are only balanced because nobody does that sort of thing on ladder (well, other than avilo). At the end of the day I am not saying Byun is entirely to blame for this and I would say a lot of the blame falls on the shoulders of GomTV and the map makers, but there certainly was a lack of sportsmanship from Byun's booth. The sportsmanlike approach would have been to make Gom aware of the missing depot and then letting them handle it. It seems pretty clear from what Byun said that he went in to the game planning on abusing the lack of the depot, he would not have chosen to 2 rax if the depot was there. It should not be left up to competitors to report things like this, but it would have been the right thing to do regardless due to the fact that he clearly noticed the error in the map and knew that NesTea would not be expecting it. EDIT: The fact that LG-IM and NesTea declined the rematch and also the fact that GOM offered a rematch impresses me. Personally, the attitude that Korean players have is just so much better than the attitude that a lot of foreigner players have. | ||
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Psychonian
United States2322 Posts
EDIT: Ah, he blocked the ramp. I see. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
Yea. your post is mostly the same repeated stuff that everybody else is posting for last 30 pages (at least the ones trashing byun) Fucking 31 pages. First i said 'were going in a circle on page 13. Then i said it on page 20something, now 30. We are literally having the same conversation, with all you nestea fanboys sprouting the same info, and trying to fight the same fight we were arguing about on page 1. This thread is pointless. There was no controversy. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On July 14 2012 00:51 Psychonian wrote: I don't understand how the missing depot could have cost nestea the game. EDIT: Ah, he blocked the ramp. I see. no, leaving the scv at 5 hp cost him the game only pulling 2 workers cost him the game not patrolling correctly cost him the game he scouted and had 30+ seconds to prepare for this, the depot had nothing to do with him losing | ||
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Sc2Null
United States3754 Posts
On July 14 2012 01:06 ohampatu wrote: no, leaving the scv at 5 hp cost him the game only pulling 2 workers cost him the game not patrolling correctly cost him the game he scouted and had 30+ seconds to prepare for this, the depot had nothing to do with him losing This is where most peoples' logic fault; why would he patrol a drone if the neutral depot was SUPPOSED to be there. Even if he got that first scv, he could not prevent that first bunker. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On July 14 2012 01:09 Sc2Null wrote: This is where most peoples' logic fault; why would he patrol a drone if the neutral depot was SUPPOSED to be there. Even if he got that first scv, he could not prevent that first bunker. last time i checked, nestea has eyes to see if a neutral depot is there or not. | ||
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MrJoKer
France232 Posts
 and he have so much GSL titles it's time for neastea to let the other win :D | ||
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