EPTStop the Korean Invasion! - Page 24
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Thrillz
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fcb10
113 Posts
sorry i cant take u seriously when u spew such blatant racism on these threads. this should be bannable. | ||
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DeathSquire36
United States167 Posts
There will always be smaller tournaments with far more foreigners than Koreans. But any large tournaments, especially ones with open brackets, will always draw the best players. The only way to decrease the amount of Koreans in them, without decreasing the level of play, is for foreigners to step their game up. That's all. | ||
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Warpish
834 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:14 marcesr wrote: Why do you turn MLG into a one weekend GSL? . I agree with this. Most of the times I stop watching MLG after the last foreigner is eliminated. If I want to see Koreans competing I will watch GSL. Furthermore, this trend hurts the foreign scene. If the Koreans win all the tournaments and therefore win all the prize money, the foreigner pros will have their income reduced. The mid to low tier foreigner pros cannot even hope to win prize money in these events. This will lead to less foreigner pros, less finantial capacity to compete and to dedicate themselves to the game. The current trend hurts the foreign scene more than it helps. It becomoe a cycle with more and more Korean players and less foreigner pros. Check the current roster of the foreigner teams. Look at an example from history, all countries that industrialized needed a period of proteccionism to be able to compete in the global market. I have nothing against Koreans, but I don't want to see the end of the EU and NA scene. To give you an example from the soccer world; just because Barcelona is the best soccer team in the world, I don't have to root for them or only watch their games. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:32 Fionn wrote: Why is this a debate? You guys who don't like Koreans do realize that the Blue Stream, the second free stream, will be almost 100% US Nationals, right? So if you don't want to watch Koreans and just Americans battle it out, watch that all weekend and tune in to see Stephano when his games are on the main stage. Wow they should name it US stream so everyone knows! | ||
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AsymptoticClimax
United Kingdom249 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:28 bri9and wrote: Wanting a good "mix" means that the quality of competition will be hampered from day one. If you want a decent number of foreigners to compete in a tournament then you might as well go for a all foreigner one, otherwise you'll just mostly get one sided games. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:24 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Fine. I'll modify my original post you replied to. It still holds true: It's still a completely retarded point because those are naturally according scenarios. If a Japanese player qualifies for Wimbledon that's great for Japan but the ITF should not ever and would never guarentee a Japanese player at every Wimbledon round of 32 no matter how shitty he is purely to appease and increase Japanese viewers. That is fucking pathetic and a total embarrassment to the name of competition and anyone who thinks that is a good idea needs to get as far away from a position of influence as possible. China is the biggest nation on earth, India is second. They are both shit at football. Does Fifa guarantee them a spot at the world cup anyway just for viewer numbers? Of course not because Fifa is not a joke, it is serious sporting body creating serious sporting competitions. MLG hopefully wants to be more like Fifa and not the embarrassing joke you and other mindless fools want it to be. | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:31 Domus wrote: Closed/Regional tournaments are not a weird thing at all, in fact it is a very normal thing in any sport to have a hierarchy of competition. Like the regional level, national level, "continental" level, and international level, and then there are things like the champions league (soccer). Each level has its own rewards and benefits. The thing is, many people don't want every event to be a champions league. This is currently the case with MLG and many offline tournaments though. People want to see their favorite players compete at a level that they can actually compete at in an offline setting. I think that MLG will facilitate this at some point in the future, but you can expect it to be PPV (not a problem for many, right?). To be fair, since Starcraft isn't so big like football/hockey/other sports, we shouldn't be segregating our tournaments imo. It seems counterproductive at the moment. But if it's like you're saying, where you just make a tournament like that instead of converting an existing tournament over, well, that's fine by my books, I suppose. | ||
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Pazuzu
United States632 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:35 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Wow they should name it US stream so everyone knows! nah if they did that people would have to stop complaining about how MLG is ruining esports! D: | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
I have to agree that MLG just isn't as exciting for me as it used to be. The sheer amount of Koreans and the lack of foreigners that can really compete with them is one of the reasons. The "problem" aren't the well know Koreans like MarineKing, DRG or MC that already have a large fanbase, but the lesser known ones. I know it's totally unfair towards those players as they probably work just as hard as the more well known, but a big part of why I enjoy watching e-sports (and every other sport) is the hype and the fandom that comes along with it. Getting personally invested and cheering for a player just makes watching so much more fun for me. But it's hard to cheer for someone, that you hardly know. When a lot of the games in the later stages of the tournament are played between players that I neither care about or cheer for it's just not very exciting. | ||
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dearyuna
United States322 Posts
To limit players from competing simply because they're Korean, that seems discriminatory to me. It's true what a lot of other people said, Koreans are seriously committed to playing this game; even TSL_Polt took a break from the most prestigious university in Korea in order to commit to playing full-time. I can't really say that foreigners practice less than Koreans or blahblahblah because that's not necessarily true, but from what I see, the practice environment is just different. A lot of foreign teams require players to be self-starters and proactive; players need to actively ask for help and a lot of players (I'm not saying all) tend to practice by simply laddering. There's already a system that tries to limit the "problem" that the OP pointed out; separate server qualifiers. Obviously theres' a loophole in that system and Korean players will still play on other servers because they have the means to pay for flights and compensate for lag. I think that they deserve to be there if they can defeat the odds. There shouldn't be preferential treatment simply based on the fact that you're Korean or a foreigner. | ||
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Aphod
United States72 Posts
[To anyone thinking I'm being condescending and saying we shouldn't care and nationality doesn't matter, etc., that's not what this is. I actually don't get why being Korean matters, and it would be most cool if a logical person who thinks it does matter could explain it to me.] | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:10 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Asian Cup - Soccer. Running for 50 odd years. Only allows Asian teams. Just what criteria of success you using there? A "Foreigner Cup" or "Non-Koreans Cup" wouldn't sound too good hahaha That said this reminds me of ping pong / table tennis where the Chinese domination is similar to the Korean domination in SC2. On June 06 2012 21:14 marcesr wrote: How does MLG ever want to present their product to a larger audience if its all about Random Korean 1 who likes noodles and plays all day against Random Korean 2 who likes noodles and plays all day? (Sorry for the polemical phrases but im quite disappointed.) The european equivalent to that would be: Random German who likes beer and drinks all day vs Random Russian of likes vodka and drinks all day. Notice how you sounded like now? | ||
Olli
Austria24422 Posts
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:34 DeathSquire36 wrote: I don't find this to be an issue at all. Last year, people were demanding that MLG bring over the Koreans, and their viewership skyrocketed when they did. NASL Season 2 lost their Korean players, and everyone said that was one of the biggest reasons they didn't watch (among others, of course.) They're back in Season 3 and it's the best season yet. IPL makes everyone happy by throwing the GSTL finals at their tournament, as well as beefing up the open bracket with these GSTL players. This is what people wanted. They wanted the best players to compete in foreign tournaments: "stacked" brackets and such. Now that they're here, you want them to leave because they win too much? No. There will always be smaller tournaments with far more foreigners than Koreans. But any large tournaments, especially ones with open brackets, will always draw the best players. The only way to decrease the amount of Koreans in them, without decreasing the level of play, is for foreigners to step their game up. That's all. Interesting to note that the GSTL finals was the most hyped the crowd at IPL 5 was all tournament long. I bet the stream numbers reflected it too. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:32 sickle wrote: Was expecting this reply. Throughout the last few MLG season they have been inviting more and more koreans into pool play until now, the entire tourny is 90% korean. Or are you telling me that every single korean came to MLG on his own, and went through the open quailifers on his own. I know a few did, but most were invited and seeded. What does the model for last years MLG circuit have to do with this years? The top 8 of providence were seeded into the first Winter Arena and then from the results of that tournament you got the players in the Winter Championship pools, then from that they qualified into Spring Arena 1, etc,etc. For the record they invited four Koreans at every MLG after Anahiem up until Providence which was 100% seeding from previous tournaments. One Korean for each pool. The rest came on their own from the open bracket if they chose to. | ||
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BoxingKangaroo
Japan955 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:31 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Everyone should watch what they want to watch. How about a cup of only your frieds and relatives. Well that wont attract too much viewers would it? That Asians like to watch Asians is fine for me that US only want to watch US and EU to watch EU is fine for me as well. As long as there are enough who want to see what MLG does deliver (top level play regardless of skin color and home nation) im fine with all of that. Agree 100%. I'm fine with MLG doing whatever they want. However there are clearly people who need a 'local hero' in order to feel connected to a tournament. Whether these people are in great enough numbers to affect MLG's bottom line should it become more Korean dominated I can't say. I don't think anyone can say. I don't think it's a trivial point to raise though. | ||
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bri9and
United States246 Posts
I want my school to have a chance, and with NC and Duke winning all the time, I just don't think its fair! | ||
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CDR
Poland84 Posts
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