Greetings fellows TLer's. Kind of a long time lurker, but I consider myself part of the "silent majority" that people often refer to and figured I might as well try to voice some opinions and reason.
The main topic is all of the recent hate and flack that has been thrown out lately towards Day[9]. Some of the main focus points that are pointed to are the amount of money that people think he makes, and his demeanor/personality. I'd like to see if I can break down these things so that I can understand where all of this is coming from, if only for my own sanity.
So, people apparently have an issue with the amount of money that Sean makes. Since none of these numbers are public knowledge, all there is is speculation and rumors. From what I can infer, his SC2 related income comes from his stream (both adds and the subscriptions), his VODs on blip and you tube, casting events, and selling shirts. Bear in mind that all of these incomes probably go towards his small business and not directly to him. And being a business, I am sure that he has quite a bit of expenses including paying employees and various bits of infrastructure involved in making the business work. Do any of you out there know what it costs to run this type of business? Are you in a position to criticize a person for how he runs his company? Are you involved in maintaining and growing the brand that he has created and built from scratch? I am pretty sure that the answer to these for 99.99% of us is no. I sure as hell don't claim to know what the financial situation for his business is and it's frankly none of my business. Although he is a public figure in our community, he is still running and maintaining a private company? Would you ask your local bar/restaurant how much the owner makes just because you eat there? Probably not. So until Day[9]tv becomes a public company, none of us have any right to demand to knowledge of it's financials. Period.
The other topic that has recently popped up is his persona and how he is somehow portraying a fake image to the community. While taking public criticism is part of being a public figure, I am still not sure what the outrage is all about? Are people upset that they hear stories and rumors about how he acts "behind the scenes"? That "he has changed so much since the daily 10"? Seriously? These are the issues that people have? While I can only speculate what he is like to work with, I will say that I have absolutely zero idea what it is like to work as a caster at a major tournament. This is true for, again, 99.99% of us. None of us know what sort of mental or physical stress happens after casting for 8-10 hours for 3 days. Also, how many of you are exactly the same person while at work as you are when you're at home? How about even alone compared to with your parents? Every single one of us has different personality hats that we wear that fit the situation we're currently in and I'd imagine that it is especially true for public figures and entertainers. I can pretty safely say that Artosis or djWHEAT will not act the same in from of a camera as they do when just chilling with they wife/gf. As far as acting different compared to the early dailies, let me propose this: how many of you would honestly say that you act the exact same way that you did 3 years ago? How about from when you first started at your job, did you act the same as you do now? There is so much that happens in life that will change how we all act, and it is a very slow change. I am just curious why people need to hold Sean to a higher standard when it comes to this. Everybody changes, and hopefully they will change for the better.
At the end of the day, every one of us is left with a choice when it comes to our time and money: watch and support the things you believe in. Posting shit on /r/starcraft and on TL probably won't change anything about you, or even the person you're trying to bitch at. In the end it just makes the rest of us look bad, and I am getting sick of being associated with all the jackasses and hate-mongers out there that feel the need to shit on people in the community.
From cadred interviewing richard lewis (editor of cadred):
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
On May 24 2012 15:03 navy wrote: can you provide some context?
in my books, day9 is the man and will always be the man.
What incident sparked comments that you are rebuking here?
I'd really like to know this as well. I read this thread and was like "Wow I know I haven't been paying attention lately but how did I miss something like that?"
The main topic is all of the recent hate and flack that has been thrown out lately towards Day[9]. Some of the main focus points that are pointed to are the amount of money that people think he makes, and his demeanor/personality. I'd like to see if I can break down these things so that I can understand where all of this is coming from, if only for my own sanity.
Where the fuck do you see this? Unless it's a vocal minority to which the actions of the silent majority clearly trump this. But bringing it to light, you only enable and pander to these stupid whines.
Why do people care? He produces content that people like. People subscribe to him because they feel he is worth the money. Its that simple. I dont care if he is the biggest ass hole off screen- because he makes good content and is a pretty good caster.
On May 24 2012 14:59 MNdakota wrote: Can I ask where this is all coming from? The is the first post I've recognized that apparently he's getting a lot of hate of some sort?
I haven't heard about any hate on him.
I view him as a contributer, a big one too. What's wrong with that?
It has to do with his nebulous descriptions of his income. He makes much more than he leads on. Nobody should be asking for the exact numbers, but not many people know quite how much he is making. It has rubbed people the wrong way, and specifically IdrA (as mentioned on his interview with JP's show Real Talk). IdrA's large following has led to a low roar in the community about Day9 when in reality, a lot of these "haters" don't know shit about the situation.
On May 24 2012 14:59 Mr Showtime wrote: Making your own thread with this type of content is not a productive approach to the issue.
As someone who is new to the community what would you say is a a productive approach? I agree with the points the OP has said and in my limited experience would say that the hate in this community is certainly not an isolated incident with Day 9, i.e. JP with the SOTG/MLG episode, Destinty, Orb and many others.
Would you ask your local bar/restaurant how much the owner makes just because you eat there?
Only if he implied his business was unprofitable and asks for donations so that he can continue to run it then later other bar/restaurant people mentioned that we was in fact making a lot of money.
The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV. If you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports, we invite you to make a one time personal donation to his tip jar (or, better still, a recurring donation!!) below:
I think day9 should either take off his donation page or be more clear for why exactly it is needed and what the money is doing besides a vague goal of growing esports.
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
1) That article is an "ask the editor" piece with Richard Lewis of Cadred
2) The 2GD quotes were from the The GD Show on Tuesday and the relevant ones are "day[9] has done a lot to help esports... and himself" and (when referring to the red bull battlegrounds casters "I don't like it that much on the analytical side"
I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
I just want to throw this idea out there. When you become as famous as Day[9] has become you have people that overexaggerate and do these sorts of things for whatever reason. An example of this is how that one girl said Justin Bieber got her pregnant and it was later found out that he clearly was not the father. Just an idea, but this could be a situation like that.
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
While I think that Day9's success has wildly exceeded what his shows/commentary/persona are really worth (you could say that he indeed was in the right place at the right time), especially lately, I wouldn't say there is much hate on him. More like hate on the most fanatic of his fanboys maybe?
This seems like an enormous over reaction. I'm not sure what the purpose of the OP was really. Is Day9 in some sort of depression about it and needs your help to get over it? Just relax, nothing is going to happen because of a few people being jealous of him.
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
On May 24 2012 14:59 Mr Showtime wrote: Making your own thread with this type of content is not a productive approach to the issue.
As someone who is new to the community what would you say is a a productive approach? I agree with the points the OP has said and in my limited experience would say that the hate in this community is certainly not an isolated incident with Day 9, i.e. JP with the SOTG/MLG episode, Destinty, Orb and many others.
The way I see, there is no sort of community discussion that need take place here. Everyone has an opinion of everyone. Blowing up small issues like this only makes it worse. There's a reason why Plexa left the disclaimer that this thread will close if it goes south, which is quite likely with this type of thing.
I'm not against discussions of issues. That's what the community is for. I'm against giving this small topic its own thread. It's unnecessary attention.
Had no idea Day9 was getting hate, and people shouldn't draw too many conclusions from meeting people once. If you met him in a tournament where he had to cast a few days straight with jetlag and not much sleep I wouldn't call it shocking if he wasn't his usual self but rather on a bad mood.
Now of course I don't know any better than anyone else here but lets keep the pitchforks sheated for now.
Also checked the cadred link and that indeed doesn't look like 2gd wtf, I'm confused.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he has tons of money and doesn't need yours?
Should probably focus more on your own success, reaching your own goals, instead of giving what little you have to someone who's already extremely successful. Giving him money is making a point, sure, but so is watching his stream or saying nice things about him; money is a greasy way to give a shit, and totally unnecessary in the case of day9.
It seems that people are aching for drama, since there hasn't really been that much of it lately. Day9 is still one of the most popular casters, his daily gets a decent amount of views, and overall people generally like him. One person claims to have a bad "experience" with him and a shit like this happens.
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
Saying Day[9] is at the right place at the right time is just absurd. He's in the BW scene for a very long time, doing Daily on BW even before SC2 was in the beta because of his love of SC. Sure, SC2 becomes popular and he's profit a lot from it but that's partly because him help growing up the scene too. He distinguishes himself well, have skill to communicate so he becomes popular. If that's wrong, I don't know what to say anymore.
I'm open to everything - after all, orb seems nice as a caster, but his ladder rage can be also apparent. That said, I'm still skeptical regarding the Day9 bashing.
1: If this is true, why haven't random people hated on Day9 before? Or reported their personal incidents of Day9 abuse? People were all too eager to report that Xeris stole some fan's chairs - why has there been literally zero other statement of an encounter with Day9? Now, 2GD's statement says that it's almost culturally taboo to hate on Day9 - but let's be real. This is the internet. People are anonymous, and people are random people in the community with no stake to lose - so why haven't they chimed in?
2: There are frequent reports of the opposite behavior. Blazinghand's post above corroborates this. I also recall posts from NASL where people mentioned Day9 behaving with the utmost friendliness in person at the grand final. It's not like Day9 is bribing these people to make these posts (and if you believe this, then you're pretty far off the crazy conspiracy border over there).
3: RE: Idra's statement on Day9. If anything, that contradicts 2GD's statement (Idra directly says that Sean is a great guy, his concern is simply financial). I mean, in my opinion I think 2GD's just jumping to assumptions and taking things out of context (after all, from his interview it looks like that one encounter is literally the only interaction he's had with Day9, and we don't have anyone here to corroborate or clarify the events that happened there). I mean, from his show and appearances at a couple events, 2GD seems chill, but he doesn't seem the person to be exactly serious and rigorous about his reports, he seems more of a joker (in a good way).
I like how many times I saw "Who hates day9?" on the first page. I think this stands as a reminder that the world is bigger then reddit and starcraft is global.
Add me to the list of people that had no idea anyone was hating on Sean.
On May 24 2012 15:22 zhurai wrote: ? people are hating on day9? this is literally the first time I've ever seen that.
Third time for me: - This 'incident' - Some sc2 fans hating on him for making money - Some BW fans calling him a sellout for making money
I'm definitely not against making money. And this incident, well it's probably a big fat nothing. I often don't have time to listen to the Heart Foundation tell me about themselves whilst I'm walking to work, but it doesn't mean I'm against their charity.
Basically, I am sick of the vocal people who toss out the ramdom hate. The recent topics on reddit and all the little snide comments that people are tossing out on the subject have just kinda pissed me off. Take tonight's LO3, where Day was a guest to talk about the Red Bull tournament. Scoots asked him about the comments that 2GD made. While nothing was really said, and all parties kinda just played it off like it wasn't a big deal (because it isn't), there was another shit storm on on reddit about it.
I am just trying to say that, as part of these communities, it just irks me that I get lumped into the same group as the idiots and assholes. Sorry if its a bit ranty, just needed to vent a bit.
For me I have always had a real big issue with the fact that he claims to be some SC2 guru with his day9 dalies, yet has never provided evidence on how good he is at SC2.
He claims he is GM in all 3 races yet has never provided proof of this. And the only games he ever streams of himself are like Amnesia and Diablo 3.
Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while.
Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"?
I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything.
James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes. He's also been a caster for ESL, casting cs 1.6 and such..
You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason.
Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports.
Oh, & if you don't know what I'm referring to:
James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh.
But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion.
so, sounds like people are mad that Day9 has a donation link...and from at least one person it sounds like they'd be equally mad that CapitalOne or Visa or Mastercard had a donation link..if you don't want to donate...don't? if you think he has enough money to support himself now and that the donation link is outdated and unneccsary...don't donate? or if you think he's deserving of your donations, go for it. there's alot of foundations etc that take 80%+ of donations for themselves and the rest for whatever cause they claim to be founded to help, perhaps his discription of what the donations are for are vague, but at least he isn't using size 0.2 font to say "we take most of you're money and only put enough forth to help 1/10th the people we really should." I'm finding the things that many people in the sc2 community (and in this case mostly the reddit community which is dubious enough on its own) get angry about are so very pointless and tiny compared to the many great things so many intelligent people could put their minds and effort towards helping, to be very dissapointing, but perhaps I just have too high of expectations of strangers.
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
Well, if he's acting like a dick, he deserves to be made fun of and called out for it. If he's not, he shouldn't. It would be hard to imagine why people would risk their careers on calling out such a publicly loved figure if it wasn't true, so I guess he deserves to be called out.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"?
I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything.
James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes.
You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason.
Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports.
James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh.
But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion.
Hahaha, "Sad Violin", always a good BGM to put in a video :D
On May 24 2012 15:30 TheWorldToCome wrote: Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while.
The fact of the matter is, Day9 is a businessman, and if there's something really controversial, he doesn't want to alienate viewers. Given how bad things have gone for public figures with loose tongues... well, I think I can respect a man who keeps his cards close to his chest. FWIW I think he's said that Sc2 is well-balanced a few times on his dailies.
Again, I'd like to reiterate that Day9 in my personal experience is a pretty normal, nice guy. I'm nobody special, but he took some time to introduce himself to me and tried to even learn my game when I met him at the King of Palantir Tourney that he casted with Spanishiwa.To the fans and other players he was courteous and polite. He even grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He comes off as a chill bro and very amicable. I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never seen him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 14:55 vulhulla wrote: Greetings fellows TLer's. Kind of a long time lurker, but I consider myself part of the "silent majority" that people often refer to and figured I might as well try to voice some opinions and reason.
The main topic is all of the recent hate and flack that has been thrown out lately towards Day[9]. Some of the main focus points that are pointed to are the amount of money that people think he makes, and his demeanor/personality. I'd like to see if I can break down these things so that I can understand where all of this is coming from, if only for my own sanity.
So, people apparently have an issue with the amount of money that Sean makes. Since none of these numbers are public knowledge, all there is is speculation and rumors. From what I can infer, his SC2 related income comes from his stream (both adds and the subscriptions), his VODs on blip and you tube, casting events, and selling shirts. Bear in mind that all of these incomes probably go towards his small business and not directly to him. And being a business, I am sure that he has quite a bit of expenses including paying employees and various bits of infrastructure involved in making the business work. Do any of you out there know what it costs to run this type of business? Are you in a position to criticize a person for how he runs his company? Are you involved in maintaining and growing the brand that he has created and built from scratch? I am pretty sure that the answer to these for 99.99% of us is no. I sure as hell don't claim to know what the financial situation for his business is and it's frankly none of my business. Although he is a public figure in our community, he is still running and maintaining a private company? Would you ask your local bar/restaurant how much the owner makes just because you eat there? Probably not. So until Day[9]tv becomes a public company, none of us have any right to demand to knowledge of it's financials. Period.
The other topic that has recently popped up is his persona and how he is somehow portraying a fake image to the community. While taking public criticism is part of being a public figure, I am still not sure what the outrage is all about? Are people upset that they hear stories and rumors about how he acts "behind the scenes"? That "he has changed so much since the daily 10"? Seriously? These are the issues that people have? While I can only speculate what he is like to work with, I will say that I have absolutely zero idea what it is like to work as a caster at a major tournament. This is true for, again, 99.99% of us. None of us know what sort of mental or physical stress happens after casting for 8-10 hours for 3 days. Also, how many of you are exactly the same person while at work as you are when you're at home? How about even alone compared to with your parents? Every single one of us has different personality hats that we wear that fit the situation we're currently in and I'd imagine that it is especially true for public figures and entertainers. I can pretty safely say that Artosis or djWHEAT will not act the same in from of a camera as they do when just chilling with they wife/gf. As far as acting different compared to the early dailies, let me propose this: how many of you would honestly say that you act the exact same way that you did 3 years ago? How about from when you first started at your job, did you act the same as you do now? There is so much that happens in life that will change how we all act, and it is a very slow change. I am just curious why people need to hold Sean to a higher standard when it comes to this. Everybody changes, and hopefully they will change for the better.
At the end of the day, every one of us is left with a choice when it comes to our time and money: watch and support the things you believe in. Posting shit on /r/starcraft and on TL probably won't change anything about you, or even the person you're trying to bitch at. In the end it just makes the rest of us look bad, and I am getting sick of being associated with all the jackasses and hate-mongers out there that feel the need to shit on people in the community.
I'm not sure I understand -- is this thread a direct question (or rant) towards the 0.01 percent of the StarCraft community who you're guessing doesn't like Sean?
I don't really watch Day9, I try to avoid the stuff he does because he's always come across to me as fake. But Idk the guy personally, so he could be the nicest guy ever, so eh.
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
What? He produces Dailies that people can watch for free and ask for people to donate for it if they like. That's not a problem at all. Yeah, he got other jobs but that's not involve with making dailies and accepting donation for it at all.
On May 24 2012 15:35 dronefarm wrote: Well, if he's acting like a dick, he deserves to be made fun of and called out for it. If he's not, he shouldn't. It would be hard to imagine why people would risk their careers on calling out such a publicly loved figure if it wasn't true, so I guess he deserves to be called out.
Or maybe he was busy at that time? Or he's not in a good mood? I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to be rude at that time but listening to only one side of argument and judge it solely on that is kinda not rational.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he should be using that money instead...
Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value.
I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
I'm pretty sure that you can subscribe to any stream. That means that any pro gamer asking for handouts deserves your rage too, no?
I don't have time to watch the dailies anymore but I really value everything Sean does for the community. I support everything he could ever choose to do, and I hope he's making mad money because he deserves it. Every project Sean touches excells and it's because he works hard and passionately. The Sc2 community as we know it wouldn't exist without him. What else is there to discuss honestly?
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"?
I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything.
James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes. He's also been a caster for ESL, casting cs 1.6 and such..
You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason.
Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports.
James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh.
But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion.
I was going off of the false info that it was 2gd and it's since been corrected that it's Richard Lewis, he's probably a cool guy as you say. The point I was making is that some who is so shallow in their opinion forming as to base it off of hearsay and a single meeting is not the kind of opinion that is worth listening too, as there is no substantial thought or intelligence that was actually put into it before it was formed.
On May 24 2012 15:33 Dbla08 wrote: so, sounds like people are mad that Day9 has a donation link...and from at least one person it sounds like they'd be equally mad that CapitalOne or Visa or Mastercard had a donation link..if you don't want to donate...don't? if you think he has enough money to support himself now and that the donation link is outdated and unneccsary...don't donate? or if you think he's deserving of your donations, go for it. there's alot of foundations etc that take 80%+ of donations for themselves and the rest for whatever cause they claim to be founded to help, perhaps his discription of what the donations are for are vague, but at least he isn't using size 0.2 font to say "we take most of you're money and only put enough forth to help 1/10th the people we really should." I'm finding the things that many people in the sc2 community (and in this case mostly the reddit community which is dubious enough on its own) get angry about are so very pointless and tiny compared to the many great things so many intelligent people could put their minds and effort towards helping, to be very dissapointing, but perhaps I just have too high of expectations of strangers.
??? Are you saying what day9 is doing is ok because there exist charities that take most of the donations to help the poor for their own personal benifit to make themselves rich???
The people are doing that are really bad I wouldn't compare day9 to them.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he should be using that money instead...
Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value.
I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply.
Wow, this is very simple: When you ask for donations there is an expectation that you don't have a ton of money. If you can't wrap your head around that concept then I don't know what to do for you.
On May 24 2012 15:42 Primadog wrote: Wow, first r/destiny, now even r/day9 isn't invulnerable to Reddit's wrath. If I am a face of the industry, I should be very scared now.
Not because of anything I do, but because Reddit. will. find. a. way. to. ruin. you.
this isn't even a thing on reddit. Its just a few guys who made comments. This shit just got blown way the fuck up.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he should be using that money instead...
Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value.
I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply.
Wow, this is very simple: When you ask for donations there is an expectation that you don't have a ton of money. If you can't wrap your head around that concept then I don't know what to do for you.
But that isn't the actual question at all: "So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny."
It's not about whether he's asking for money or not, it's whether I would give to a millionaire and I answered it completely. You're changing the perspective of the question. The hypothetical situation he was putting out is very simple.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he should be using that money instead...
Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value.
I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply.
Wow, this is very simple: When you ask for donations there is an expectation that you don't have a ton of money. If you can't wrap your head around that concept then I don't know what to do for you.
People can ask for donation regardless of their financial status. If people feel that the person asking for donation already have enough money, or he does not produce content that they want to pay, then don't donate. It's that simple. If I enjoy his daily and think that it's deserve to be donated for, then there's no problem in doing it.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he should be using that money instead...
Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value.
I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply.
Wow, this is very simple: When you ask for donations there is an expectation that you don't have a ton of money. If you can't wrap your head around that concept then I don't know what to do for you.
I want to add a lil bit to this.
There's a difference in being so awesome that people give you stuff (most established people would send it back but w/e that's beside the point), and actually having a link to facilitate that.
On May 24 2012 15:30 TheWorldToCome wrote: For me I have always had a real big issue with the fact that he claims to be some SC2 guru with his day9 dalies, yet has never provided evidence on how good he is at SC2.
He claims he is GM in all 3 races yet has never provided proof of this. And the only games he ever streams of himself are like Amnesia and Diablo 3.
Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while.
There is actually a SOTG where he comments on the GM in all 3 races thing. He actually said it while playing amnesia, not as a public statment. And he clarified that he has been GM with all 3 races, but does not consider himself a GM player because when he had acomplished this, it didnt last forever, or long. (and he is currently not).
I dont remember what sotg it was, it was a long time ago now after his streaming of amnesia.
He basically said, i have done it, i am not that now, i do not consider myself a GM player, like if you win a few tourney's a year ago, it doesnt mean you are a championship finals level right now by any means. You make it sound like he went, hey world, im GM on all 3 races so you should watch my daily! Ive never got that impression :-/
And this community loves drama way to much. I just dont get it. Are real sports filled with this much drama for every personality in the space? (i dont really follow sports enough to know or care)
On May 24 2012 15:42 Primadog wrote: Wow, first r/destiny, now even r/day9 isn't invulnerable to Reddit's wrath. If I am a face of the industry, I should be very scared now.
Not because of anything I do, but because Reddit. will. find. a. way. to. ruin. you.
Reddit is essentially a neutered 4chan for a younger generation, at least that's the impression I've gotten. Why anyone take's anything produced in Reddit seriously is beyond me.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he should be using that money instead...
Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value.
I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply.
Wow, this is very simple: When you ask for donations there is an expectation that you don't have a ton of money. If you can't wrap your head around that concept then I don't know what to do for you.
People can ask for donation regardless of their financial status. If people feel that the person asking for donation already have enough money, or he does not produce content that they want to pay, then don't donate. It's that simple. If I enjoy his daily and think that it's deserve to be donated for, then there's no problem in doing it.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
I'm pretty sure that you can subscribe to any stream. That means that any pro gamer asking for handouts deserves your rage too, no?
only if the progamer implied he was losing money and needed donations to continue to be a progamer and then later we found out he is one of the highest paid progamers in the industry all along and he conveniently left that part out.
It is being misleading that is the problem not just a donation link.
The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV. If you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports, we invite you to make a one time personal donation to his tip jar (or, better still, a recurring donation!!) below:
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he has tons of money and doesn't need yours?
Should probably focus more on your own success, reaching your own goals, instead of giving what little you have to someone who's already extremely successful. Giving him money is making a point, sure, but so is watching his stream or saying nice things about him; money is a greasy way to give a shit, and totally unnecessary in the case of day9.
This is the weirdest thing I've read in a while.
You're probably right, that $5 those folks ponied up is really going to keep them and their kids out of college.
There are various reasons someone would wish to donate to something, regardless of the financial circumstances of either party.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he should be using that money instead...
Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value.
I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply.
Wow, this is very simple: When you ask for donations there is an expectation that you don't have a ton of money. If you can't wrap your head around that concept then I don't know what to do for you.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he should be using that money instead...
Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value.
I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply.
Wow, this is very simple: When you ask for donations there is an expectation that you don't have a ton of money. If you can't wrap your head around that concept then I don't know what to do for you.
You make too many assumptions and linked demands about people who ask for money on the internet.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
He doesn't ask for handouts, know your stuff before posting, please. He asks people to subscribe if they want to, they do not have to at all.
This topic is really stupid and just creates more unnecessary drama, Day9 worked his ass off to get to where he is now and still does work his ass off he deserves every penny he earns.Being a part of esports as a player,caster, or whatever, you need to earn money to survive, get over it people.
Every celebrity/person has their own rude moments, because theyre human. WTF is all this rage about? Judging from the drama threads lately, i dont blame him for being "politically correct".
On May 24 2012 15:35 dronefarm wrote: Well, if he's acting like a dick, he deserves to be made fun of and called out for it. If he's not, he shouldn't. It would be hard to imagine why people would risk their careers on calling out such a publicly loved figure if it wasn't true, so I guess he deserves to be called out.
Or maybe he was busy at that time? Or he's not in a good mood? I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to be rude at that time but listening to only one side of argument and judge it solely on that is kinda not rational.
Well, multiple people are saying it, so if there's a pattern, it's probably habitual thing.
I think people blow it out of proportion how much money he makes. He is still in the same house since he started the dailies, living with several roommates. If he is getting paid as well as people say, don't you think he would at least move into a location that would provide a more professional presentation? (No sirens, helicopters, or planes?)
In the end, who cares how much money he makes. if he makes 6 figures annually, then that is absolutely amazing and I am proud of him. Nobody deserves it more than him.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he has tons of money and doesn't need yours?
Should probably focus more on your own success, reaching your own goals, instead of giving what little you have to someone who's already extremely successful. Giving him money is making a point, sure, but so is watching his stream or saying nice things about him; money is a greasy way to give a shit, and totally unnecessary in the case of day9.
This is the weirdest thing I've read in a while.
You're probably right, that $5 those folks ponied up is really going to keep them and their kids out of college.
There are various reasons someone would wish to donate to something, regardless of the financial circumstances of either party.
Yeah, the guy talks like I'm fucking Oliver Twist rofl
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
So true. The Day9 Daily is a FREE show that he puts on for the community. If you donate to him, you also get perks of being able to play monobattles and stuff with him. He's money grubbing so hard it comes around the other end of the spectrum so that he doesn't even charge you for the content which costs him tons of time, effort, volunteers, and money.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
Only thing I've seen from day9 was his vid guffawing at people losing to cannon rush which was, on the one hand, overdone and annoying, but on the other was a good catch and decent analysis. His personality could do with some coming down to earth. BUt really who cares. If you don't like his vids don't watch.
Edit: if he told me to talk to the hand at an "e sports" event I would be pissed too. But it's all hearsay.
Coolcor you're missing the point completely. Use your common sense. The people who donate don't do so out of some sense of duty to Sean as a person, they do it because they enjoy the content, and believe that it deserves to be paid for. Some people simply subscribe so that they get a chance to take part in the monobattles. That little bit of text is what has caused all of this? How pathetic.
If I remember correctly, the last real donation drive was done by the incentive of reddit who basically plopped a ton of money into his lap out of good will. I don't think the guy really ever begged for donations rather than the usual "if you like what you see go ahead and send some over cause that'd be great". I don't think he does that anymore since he has that voluntary subscription fee as well as appearance fees and ad revenue.
The community is throwing a tantrum over nothing as usual over issues that really have no impact on the scene.
Day9 and his shows exist only because of younger part of the community and lower level players. He is actually making money and seizing the opportunity HE created for himself as much as he can. That's a fact. Also, nothing wrong with that - that's apparently what this world is all about, isn't it? IMO he is sometimes a great caster - when he is in good mood and a great master of ceremony. I just don't like the other stuff, he is too fluffy and too politicaly correct, imo that means being a phony.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
If it's not right, don't donate. I think you're the one with the tunnel view on things.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
This comment is cool -- it's like you're putting the infamous ignorance-argument into a sentence full of it.
On May 24 2012 15:56 Jockmcplop wrote: Coolcor you're missing the point completely. Use your common sense. The people who donate don't do so out of some sense of duty to Sean as a person, they do it because they enjoy the content, and believe that it deserves to be paid for. Some people simply subscribe so that they get a chance to take part in the monobattles. That little bit of text is what has caused all of this? How pathetic.
Yes. this.
It's very clear that the return in funds to Day 9 is because the people like what he does. Then prefer to show it through money than any other way.
I think there is little hate towards Day9, I think it's more everyone realizing that his not a godsend now that we have a fairly saturated market in terms of casters. I think it's just that simple. I don't know why people are being so vocal about it, but now his just another caster in my eyes.
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"?
I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything.
James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes. He's also been a caster for ESL, casting cs 1.6 and such..
You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason.
Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports.
James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh.
But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion.
I was going off of the false info that it was 2gd and it's since been corrected that it's Richard Lewis, he's probably a cool guy as you say. The point I was making is that some who is so shallow in their opinion forming as to base it off of hearsay and a single meeting is not the kind of opinion that is worth listening too, as there is no substantial thought or intelligence that was actually put into it before it was formed.
if you go up to someone and say try to say hi and they are rude enough to tell you to talk to the hand, thats pretty fucking rude. if thats the only time youve tried to talk to them, and thats what they did, then you have a pretty good basis to judge them, as in 100% of your experiences they have been a shitter. other than that, he does seem pretty pleased with himself all the time, which is just irritating. just like 2gd said, hes done alot for esports, and alot for himself.
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"?
I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything.
James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes. He's also been a caster for ESL, casting cs 1.6 and such..
You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason.
Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports.
James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh.
But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion.
I was going off of the false info that it was 2gd and it's since been corrected that it's Richard Lewis, he's probably a cool guy as you say. The point I was making is that some who is so shallow in their opinion forming as to base it off of hearsay and a single meeting is not the kind of opinion that is worth listening too, as there is no substantial thought or intelligence that was actually put into it before it was formed.
if you go up to someone and say try to say hi and they are rude enough to tell you to talk to the hand, thats pretty fucking rude. if thats the only time youve tried to talk to them, and thats what they did, then you have a pretty good basis to judge them, as in 100% of your experiences they have been a shitter. other than that, he does seem pretty pleased with himself all the time, which is just irritating. just like 2gd said, hes done alot for esports, and alot for himself.
You should never judge anyone based solely on a single sole experience. There are an almost infinite number of reasons why the incident played out the way it did. One incident of mild rudeness which everyone has done at least once in their lives(everyone has at some point been curt and short with someone because you were late/had to go to the bathroom/had a headache/etc) is no basis to form an opinion on who that person is.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
It's not a "hand out", it's a way for you to voluntarily pay him for his content.
Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things.
The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once.
I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win.
Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things.
The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once.
I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win.
Please don't group TL in with Reddit, the users cross over slightly but It's mostly an entirely different group of people on each website.
How DARE Sean try and make money off of the things he enjoys doing, he should be analyzing online games and events for FREE! I don't make money out of eSports, why should he?!
I have to ask, do any of you guys who are criticizing Sean spend hours and hours at work every day for free?
If I spent many hours a day making a free show that will help people be better at their competitive hobby, a link to a place where said person may CONSIDER donating to you for your time and work is completely reasonable.
There's nothing wrong with being popular because many people enjoy the work that you do, and there's nothing wrong with being paid to do what you love when a professional organization needs the kind of talents and exposure that you can provide.
Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things.
The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once.
I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win.
Fight the good fight. Shit like this is out of control. How long will TL and r/sc allow ourselves to be the personal armies of alternative gaming communities?
Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things.
The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once.
I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win.
Please don't group TL in with Reddit, the users cross over slightly but It's mostly an entirely different group of people on each website.
You're probably right. I guess I was hopping for more like minded people over here.
This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
Like others have said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with making money. In fact, it's a sign that he's creating a lot value for other people. And if people want to donate to him to give him even more money, that's their business. May be they like him so much that they feel he should make 7 figures rather than 6.
The only thing I dislike about Day9 is that he seems to be one of those guys who enjoys the sound of his own voice a little too much.
Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things.
The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once.
I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win.
Please don't group TL in with Reddit, the users cross over slightly but It's mostly an entirely different group of people on each website.
The last witchhunt that nearly got Quantic's sponsors pulled was primarily led by TL posters, not r/sc. At this point, we don't have high ground to stand on.
This thread isn't necessary I do think. Day9 is very well regarded by the community, so if he does minor bad things maybe that does deserve some scrutiny, so it's probably good to cast a critical eye sometimes. It's not like he's doing legitimately bad things though. Should we make a thread because Naniwa was rude to someone at an event? (and events are stressful, anyone can act strange there)
Maybe Day9 capitalized on e-sports to get a career, but good for him as he has done more for e-sports than anyone else probably, so he deserves it. And so have Idra, InControl, Artosis for that matter. (they all deserve it too)
It's kinda weak for Idra to criticize Day9 without mentioning what it's about anyway. :/
Also, you can't make a thread about stopping a witchhunt when none exists yet. Just some angry comments about Day9 in the depths of forum sections is not a witchhunt and if anything, this thread is the most likely thing to start it. Some criticisms shouldn't really need to be addressed as you make them more important than they are.
He sometimes asks for a lot of money to cast a big event ... either he's worth it or he's not. That's up to the event organisers to decide. Name one event that can't happen because Day9 is holding them over a barrel. "Sorry folks, no MLG Spring, Day9 refuses to cast!" What??
Day9 was once rude to 2GD for reasons unknown. That's not exactly killing puppies...
People speculate that his level of skill isn't as high as they think it should be. I have yet to see one person contradict any of his statements or dispute the logic by which he makes them. Things like 'zerg cannot take 3 base and have roaches and have a lair by X time' do not require uber mechanics. It's a fact. It can't be done. What personal skill level to you need? If he was gold level but could make a bunch of accurate statements at any point in time about the current state of any game then what the fuck else do you need him to do? Rarely do I see him make a statement while casting that I think, 'hrmm, that's not right'. He has stated however that he practises with Sheth, so unless sheth just like to waste his time playing a scrub, I think it's fair to say Day9 has a decent level of competence. Either that or Day9 just lies a lot and hopes sheth doesn't notice...
And lastly I have heard from multiple sources that Day9 is really nice at events, always making time for fans, etc etc. So I'm basically left with 'sounds like crap to me' Of course if evidence to the contrary appears I'll reassess, but until then, Day9 is the man!
While I'm personally much less interested in his content and casting these days, it seems extremely obvious to me that Day9 DESERVES to have a huge money income. It's moments where back then, at some of the earlier MLGs BNet or the internet was down and Day9 continued to entertain everyone for.. . what, an hour? And that instead of going the unprofessional caster route, as some people would just continually bash Blizzard on the casting stage when incidents like that happen.
It's stuff like that, that shows his professionalism and that he knows his shit. I can't listen to his Day9 dailies anymore (if they still exist) but do I have a problem if he made millions or billions of dollars as the first "eSports" guy? Not all. It's gonna be someone and he's definitely one who deserves it.
I must imagine a lot people simply are a bit jealous.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
You are either a very good troll or a fucking moron , a handout implies that a person giving a lump sum to another without getting/expecting anyting in return. Day9 has his dailies which does not required you to donate, its a form of entertainment and you get to do monobattles with him as well should you choose to donate.
Most major corporation(even those with billions of dollar yearly revenues) has the donation box and shamelessly offers nothing in return.
Please kindly return to whatever hole you are from(presumably your parent basement) and rub those 2 small brain cells(if you have them) before posting retarded comments.
Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things.
The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once.
I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win.
Please don't group TL in with Reddit, the users cross over slightly but It's mostly an entirely different group of people on each website.
The last witchhunt that nearly got Quantic's sponsors pulled was primarily led by TL posters, not r/sc. At this point, we don't have high ground to stand on.
No it wasn't, it was just posted on TL first and r/sc and /vg guys made accounts to fuel the fire. If you paid attention you would see the majority of posts were from low post count users and not people who are actual members of the TL community.
Not saying TL never has stupid threads or dumb posters, but there's no mob mentality here that would cause such a thing. Reddit works this way because of the upvote/downvote system.
So a couple of isolated incidents and there is a load of hate? Im pretty sure everyone is in a bad mood sometimes, and the pros say it all the time; if they have just lost don't come up to them, this journalist who was told to talk to the hand problem wasn't being as nicey nicey as he is making. I am sure that before this furore it wasn't a public secret that he made a lot of money, anyone with a braincell could see his viewership numbers and a basic knowledge of twitch.tv and cpm to tell he is making a good bit of money. So the question now becomes, should people who do good things be rewarded financially for it? Yes, of course. He adds value to his content, with his personality, with his amicable nature, with his stories and his ability to draw new players into the game. I don't see him forcing the subscription things down his throat and on the many dailies I have seen, I haven't seen him insinuate anywhere that he is really poorly off. If you enjoy what people are doing and there is an ability to contribute to them monetarily, then go for it. The whole 2GD thing, anyone that has known his demeanour will know he is very jovial and that he says what he thinks and sometimes other this just for humorous purposes, as the britsh style of humour often goes.There is no need to take everything on purely face value however everyone needs to be criticised in order to improve. This criticism needs to be constructive and not just r/hate that seems to come out of reddit a lot. Idra also said 'take this with a pinch of salt' so didn't mean things all negatively. Basically; support who you want to support, make sensible and well informed decisions, make sure you understand things before you comment. And most of all, you all stay classy TL :D
Edit: Also I'm sure 2GD will have met Day9 through his time at dreamhack and his work with twitch.tv, so they will have some sort of relationship/ tenuous experience of one another.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
I think threads like these needs to just be closed.... regardless of the truth this is bad publicity with little evidence and just the speculation of it destroys a persons reputation. Contain this before it becomes like what Primadog said.
They're just jealous because they're not as smart, successful, or entertaining as Sean is. I know politicians are trying to sew the seeds of envy because of election season, but must it spill over into competitive video games, really? It's quite clear that the Daily and all his other self-initiated projects are a ridiculous amount of work, and that his passion and enthusiasm are contagious.
Hm, where does one start. Yes, I guess it is fairly diabolical of Day[9] to produce over 400 hours of completely free content while pretending to care about the Starcraft scene. Indeed, I find that this is why they call esports the most lucrative business in the world. "You want money, do esports", they all say.
I also find that it is an insult to common sense to suggest that he would do this.
And besides that, he's human. Does the fact that he maybe just didn't want to talk to anyone at that particular moment render his work false and useless? It goes against all logic to suggest that he would build up a reputation as a good BW foreigner pro, and then pour thousands of hours of work into what essentially amounts to maintaining the illusion that he is a nice guy, and that he cares about the esports industry.
Lol how can someone actually hate Day9, plus people should stop thinking about how much he mades it does not concern them.You need to understand that Day9 invested quite a lot of his time in becoming now what he is today, it is really hard to do and achive at the same time.
On May 24 2012 15:56 Jockmcplop wrote: Coolcor you're missing the point completely. Use your common sense. The people who donate don't do so out of some sense of duty to Sean as a person, they do it because they enjoy the content, and believe that it deserves to be paid for. Some people simply subscribe so that they get a chance to take part in the monobattles. That little bit of text is what has caused all of this? How pathetic.
It is below the subscription link and it is for people who are already subscribing to give even more. Thats why is says "offer additional support" Anyone who does it is not doing it for monobattles.
If the people do give him money just because they enjoy the content day9 has no reason to say
"The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV."
Why is day9 implying his business loses money? If his business is not losing money this is a very misleading sentence. Thats what I don't like it is misleading your most loyal fans to get more money that they would not give if they had more correct information.
f you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports,
He does not say the donation is to thank him for enjoying his content. It is to continue to grow esports. A very vague goal with no meaning besides imply he'd stop his efforts without donations. Would he quit esports all together without donations? I doubt it so I also find this misleading.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
I randomly messaged Day9 out of the blue on battle net after a daily just to say hey I think you did a great job, and he not only just said "thanks" or ignored me, but he even talked with me for a bit, apologizing when he had to leave to eat.
i only watched some funday mondays and his event casting, both are alright, the other dailies however were not my kind of style, i dislike when he pauses to make a looooooooong point that is either painfully obvious or plain wrong / at the very least arguable.
so he is what he is, not bad, not my favorite, if he makes a lot of money, gz wp gg? i do not give a shit on "how he apparently behaves behind the scenes" because this "information" might be tainted by envy or he just has no time / does not care / whatever... if his casting quality / following drops, his salary and job offers will as well, if he keeps going, then who are some hateful posters?
While I don't "hate" Day[9], I find him kind of fake. "Day[9]" is a completely persona different from Sean Plott, which I remember him actually stating in a Daily (when asked about if he would be put off by an interested female fan for a relationship, he said yes, stating Day[9] and Sean Plott are different people and she would only know the Day[9] persona).
I haven't watched the daily in some time because of this (except for maybe a Funday once in awhile) and would rather watch other streams (Destiny for example) of people being themselves, even if others don't like it. Day[9] very much made a character, almost Stephen Colbert-esq in a reimagining of himself. It doesn't feel natural to me so it just doesn't interest me.
The statements coming from 2GD, Richard and IdrA (whom, keep in mind, I'm no fan of) kind of add to that for me. I hardly think he needs to be lynched for it, but he needs to be re-examined perhaps. Day[9] is not the great superman savior of eSports who a lot of people think he is. Hes done a lot and put up some good stuff, but the sheer amount of praise and worship he gets is absolutely ridiculous.
Then again, I'm in the mindset that no one in eSports is a messiah, very few people do it "for eSports", they do it for their paycheck, which is fine, but masking it as doing some kind of greater good is dishonest and people I think are starting to get wind of that.
On May 24 2012 16:11 Fyrewolf wrote: The funny thing is, however much money Day[9] makes, he deserves more.
I don't see how he can even get haters. Seems more like lesser/unknown names within the community trying to get exposure for their show/zines by bashing such a popular figure. As for Idra criticisms they're pretty much meaningless, he thinks 99.9% of the world is full of idiots and retards.
From the limited personal experience I've had with Sean I'll throw my 2cents in and say he was one of the most amazing people I've ever been around. Usually I don't give 2 shits about "celebrities"(lets just say) as I've met quite a few, but when I was around him he'd always make me so happy-nervous for whatever reason, yet, regardless of how I acted at events around him he was always so outgoing getting along with everyone. MLG Columbus particularly stands out in my mind, even after all the sleep problems he had, he woke up incredibly early came out on the floor with everyone and just gave out high 5s and chatted with people. THAT stands out in my mind as someone going out of their way, without any scheduled appearances, just to meet and have fun with people. There was zero motivation for the actions, but he did it anyway.
Now, my 2cents about the flack. I think it's pretty important people keep in mind that certain people just are NOT compatible, not matter how you look at it.
Say for instance, you have a friend and he loves to hang out with this other guy and get all 3 of you together. However, you hate that other dude. When you're together with your friend you'd wish that other guy would just leave u alone/not exist. He hasn't particularly done anything to you, but you give him 'unwarrented' 'hate'. A lot of people subconciously just reject other people. It happens. I think looking for "good" reasons other than this are very VERY subjective and really just turn the matter into argument. I'd say people should just understand, hey, some people don't like him. So what? Why make a thread? If there is ever anything VERY wrong that happens I think the community will throw some nice backlash his way, it happens even with very liked players. ><
On May 24 2012 16:29 r4pture wrote: While I don't "hate" Day[9], I find him kind of fake. "Day[9]" is a completely persona different from Sean Plott, which I remember him actually stating in a Daily (when asked about if he would be put off by an interested female fan for a relationship, he said yes, stating Day[9] and Sean Plott are different people and she would only know the Day[9] persona).
I haven't watched the daily in some time because of this (except for maybe a Funday once in awhile) and would rather watch other streams (Destiny for example) of people being themselves, even if others don't like it. Day[9] very much made a character, almost Stephen Colbert-esq in a reimagining of himself. It doesn't feel natural to me so it just doesn't interest me.
The statements coming from 2GD, Richard and IdrA (whom, keep in mind, I'm no fan of) kind of add to that for me. I hardly think he needs to be lynched for it, but he needs to be re-examined perhaps. Day[9] is not the great superman savior of eSports who a lot of people think he is. Hes done a lot and put up some good stuff, but the sheer amount of praise and worship he gets is absolutely ridiculous.
Then again, I'm in the mindset that no one in eSports is a messiah, very few people do it "for eSports", they do it for their paycheck, which is fine, but masking it as doing some kind of greater good is dishonest and people I think are starting to get wind of that.
Bolded that part but overall couldn't have said it better myself.
While it's true that there is some hate, day9 hardcores labelling any form of scrutiny or displeasure at anything he does as hating is annoying.
Before reading this thread, I had no idea there was any hate going on towards Day[9]. I seriously think you're overreacting, much like it happened with Orb and Destiny. This attitude of the community - a certain hunger for drama, even going as far as searching for past accidents to fuel the fire - needs to stop. Period.
As for Day[9]'s "overly positive attitude", I would tend to disagree. His attitude is exactly as positive as it should be, and I believe that many people could use learning a bit from him about that.
I honestly don't think that Day9 deserves any hate whatsoever regarding his income or personality. However IMO the Daily content for the last half of the year or even more has been really dull and one-sided, much less deep than his old Beta toearly release Dailies and BW Dailies. More entertainment, much less game education. It doesn't really benifit ppl who are higher than plat or who have been watching it for a long time anymore.
I think it's telling that a great deal of posts in this thread are various TLers, old and new, high postcount and low, coming forwards with personal stories of how Day9 is a great guy.
It's strange to hear such things about Day[9] - although I never donated, I enjoy dailies and his sense of humor in his YT videos. Right now I don't care how much he earns, simply because I never paid him. As for his behavior - there's few reasons why he could act improperly - being tired or something. Of course we should expect everyone (after so much drama with players' behavior) to act professionally. It's really the first time I hear someone calling Day[9] a 'primadonna' - I wonder how it looks in reality, in opinion of more people who met him after some events. Even if there will be some scratches on Sean's image, it still doesn't change a fact he contributes a lot to the game and community.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
this wins the thread :D
Please stfu about "winning threads", you post that shit on every thread. There's no such thing as winning a thread, it's about discussion. Please, really.
So Reddit witch hunting for absolutely no reason because they really, REALLY want to be 4chan again? A thread asking our opinion on Day9 isn't really needed in this case. I'd prefer talking about some way to contain the shit overflow from that site.
Well, I am one of the people, who doesn't really like Day9, mainly probably because of the way he presents himself in his Dailies. On the surface it looks like he just wants to help the newbies getting better, or everybody to have a good time, or some other selfless reason. But whenever I watched the show, I got the feeling that it was more important to him to show himself to the crowd and present himself as often as he can than anything I mentioned before.
That being said, saying that I hate him is too much. I dislike him, stay away from his shows and that's all. I don't flame him, I don't insult him personally on forums. On that note, the aforementioned is just an opinion of mine, which might be based on a misunderstanding and be blatantly wrong.
On the other hand, I really do enjoy his casts in big events, he is a brilliant caster.
Day[9] has been helping the StarCraft community for the longest time. There were his casts of the Chill/combatex grudge match, his analysis of the Bisu vs Savior OSl with NoNy, and his podcasts before he started doing his dailies. Do you know what makes Day[9] so amazing? Its that he's done so much more than anyone in the scene for StarCraft before esports started to blow up. All of those BW dailies were done out of his free will, and they were an amazing source of content for a year. No one in the community (besides possibly the TL stars and staff) has done more in helping the scene stay alive. I'm glad that our scene has evolved to a state where one can reward someone who had spent so much time making it what it is.
One thing that has always confused me is how much our community seems to be against people making money. If esports is to ever become successful, there is going to have to be money in the system, to not just provide an incentive to the players that give up their lives to compete, but so they can just simply survive. Every single professional has to make enough money to pay for their rent, to pay for their food, to just have the money to build the machines that will let them stream and practice. Its not like anyone is holding a gun to your head telling to watch a certain person. There is so much content in the StarCraft and wider esports world, if you don't like how someone is doing something, then feel free to move on.
I don't personally watch his dailies that often anymore (a mix of school and work often take up my time). But when it comes to casters for a major tournament, he is one the people I enjoy listening to the most. There are a plethora of casters out there, but there are only a few who have the talent and ability to cast a finals, and he happens to be one of them.
So from this thread it appears that the only people that really dislike Day9 are people who he rubs the wrong way and assume he has some messiah complex. Ok, that could be true, or..... you could be a horrible judge of character.
The fact that people make judgements based on intuitions with little to no evidence is a fucking shame and you guys are idiots.
Day9 seems to try too hard to be someone else in my opinion. I feel like he tries to bottle up his personality and plays a front of a super happy teletubbie. Am I the only one that thinks this?
On May 24 2012 16:29 r4pture wrote: While I don't "hate" Day[9], I find him kind of fake. "Day[9]" is a completely persona different from Sean Plott, which I remember him actually stating in a Daily (when asked about if he would be put off by an interested female fan for a relationship, he said yes, stating Day[9] and Sean Plott are different people and she would only know the Day[9] persona).
I haven't watched the daily in some time because of this (except for maybe a Funday once in awhile) and would rather watch other streams (Destiny for example) of people being themselves, even if others don't like it. Day[9] very much made a character, almost Stephen Colbert-esq in a reimagining of himself. It doesn't feel natural to me so it just doesn't interest me.
The statements coming from 2GD, Richard and IdrA (whom, keep in mind, I'm no fan of) kind of add to that for me. I hardly think he needs to be lynched for it, but he needs to be re-examined perhaps. Day[9] is not the great superman savior of eSports who a lot of people think he is. Hes done a lot and put up some good stuff, but the sheer amount of praise and worship he gets is absolutely ridiculous.
Then again, I'm in the mindset that no one in eSports is a messiah, very few people do it "for eSports", they do it for their paycheck, which is fine, but masking it as doing some kind of greater good is dishonest and people I think are starting to get wind of that.
Quoting myself to add that I find the complete and utter refusal to show ANY of his playing in anything besides utter silliness is disappointing at least, perhaps dishonest at most. No one here has ever seen Sean play seriously. Its never been shown, and likely never will be. I simply don't understand why people worship a Starcraft figure they've never actually seen play Starcraft.
So wait the whole premise of the hate is that he is having success? I truly don't understand... He doesn't force people to give him money so what is the problem..? I never would have heard of SC II if it wasn't for Day 9, I wish him all the success in the world! Day you deserve every dime and then some, <3 for what you do and keep on keepin on!!
On May 24 2012 15:56 Jockmcplop wrote: Coolcor you're missing the point completely. Use your common sense. The people who donate don't do so out of some sense of duty to Sean as a person, they do it because they enjoy the content, and believe that it deserves to be paid for. Some people simply subscribe so that they get a chance to take part in the monobattles. That little bit of text is what has caused all of this? How pathetic.
It is below the subscription link and it is for people who are already subscribing to give even more. Thats why is says "offer additional support" Anyone who does it is not doing it for monobattles.
If the people do give him money just because they enjoy the content day9 has no reason to say
"The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV."
Why is day9 implying his business loses money? If his business is not losing money this is a very misleading sentence. Thats what I don't like it is misleading your most loyal fans to get more money that they would not give if they had more correct information.
f you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports,
He does not say the donation is to thank him for enjoying his content. It is to continue to grow esports. A very vague goal with no meaning besides imply he'd stop his efforts without donations. Would he quit esports all together without donations? I doubt it so I also find this misleading.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
The attacks on Day[9] are frivolous even for esports witch hunts. You guys should just turn your hunt to someone else.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
To be clear, I have no problem with him making money from SC2 if people are willing to give him money. Claims about whether he's actually passionate, or whether he's merely making money off it because he can, are somewhat up for grabs. Korean progamers who play SC2 switched in many cases purely because they had a higher chance of success and of making money (I'm not referring to the KeSPA switch now, but back near the start of SC2). I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but it's good to acknowledge the truth at least.
I don't think anyone denies that he had a big passion for BW. That said, the way he handles SC2 vs BW is completely different. In BW, he was always primarily a player. He played the game publicly (well, as publicly as BW was played; there weren't all the streams back then ), and was quite good at it. As someone who also played the game a lot because I loved doing so (not that I was near as good as he was), it's tough for me to comprehend that someone who enjoyed playing the game so much would suddenly be content to switch to a different game and be equally passionate, and yet not get involved in playing it the same way.
Obviously I don't have any actual decisive evidence in either direction. I'm not a Day[9] hater (although I wouldn't classify myself as a Day[9] lover either), but I certainly can't proclaim that he does it for the love of the game; numerous things, from the way AHGL was run, to his complete lack of (apparent) playing, say to me that a large part of his motivation for how he acts is money, not some great love of the game.
And there's nothing wrong with that, I just like to call an apple an apple.
If there are several reports about him being an ass at live events, and there are tons of people thinking his show is more about himself than SC2, then maybe there is some truth to it. But no, let's all get up on our high horse and shout loud and clear from all the rooftops: Day9 saved esports, so he may not be criticised.
On May 24 2012 16:46 EZBreeZ wrote: Day9 seems to try too hard to be someone else in my opinion. I feel like he tries to bottle up his personality and plays a front of a super happy teletubbie. Am I the only one that thinks this?
Are you new to the community? Do you even know who Day9 is, or was in BW? He acted the same in 2005 as he does in 2012.
He acts different, but he has always acted that way even before he was making money or was a community figure. Much of the hate is from people who only know him from the daily, and assume his positivity etc is an act.
^ Get real. His last daily I watched he spent more time talking about himself and the WACKY things he did than the actual game. This did not use to be the case.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things.
The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once.
I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win.
Please don't group TL in with Reddit, the users cross over slightly but It's mostly an entirely different group of people on each website.
The last witchhunt that nearly got Quantic's sponsors pulled was primarily led by TL posters, not r/sc. At this point, we don't have high ground to stand on.
QFT, i browse both TL and r/sc (mostly lurking on both) and I feel that lately there has been equal amount or even more ridiculous drama on TL than on reddit. On some occasions r/sc felt like a voice of reason, now what does that tell me about TL...?
The good thing is though, I can't get downvoted here for saying something like that (:
Oh and btw I don't think the two are separated communities, I'm sure there are many people who visit both sites.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
The whole money thing is stupid, because obviously that has no bearing on anything. I think if it's legitimately true that he is pretty rude to staff/production/whatever (as talked about in the article linked on the first page), then it's probably a good thing that it's brought out and he fixes it; not in an esports sense, but as a person. I know I'd be pretty upset if I was some no-name guy working at an esports event and someone was really rude to me but I couldn't say anything about it because it would be career suicide.
In the last 2 years, I have spent more time (in pure hours) getting entertained by Day9, than I have spent with my ex-chick in about the same time span and I do not regret it. I don't give a fuck if he's a millionaire, I don't give a fuck if he's a little pussy diva at events, I don't give a fuck if he's not as real as he was a few years ago anymore to maintain a fitting image for his "area of expertise". Everybody lies. I am sure many still like Mel Gibson, who likes to drive drunk and throws around anti-Semite comments. Transformers staff members have openly claimed that Megan Fox is a thankless, unfriendly bitch. Now I am sure you'd all still like to bang her like there was no tomorrow.
The people who run all this gaming-soon-to-be-business are no saints. The only person who really, genuinely seems to not have skeletons in the closet is white-ra. Even Grubby, who seems so nice today has, in the past during his wc3 career thrown out pretty hardcore comments to some opponents, calling them german nazi assholes (no 100% quote, browse the web to check the exact conversation).
I'd even watch Day9 if he ate children and ravaged the graves of our ancestors, because I am very much entertained by all the shenanigans he has been doing in the past few years. Awesome !!
I have never been the hugest fan of Day[9] just because i dont really like overly happy people... I'm not a hater either though. he does his thing and he does it well.. and im the LAST person to hate on someone for making money so i'm actually gonna defend him here. He does it to make a living, if you don't want to give him money don't. he doesn't come to your work and yell at you
On May 24 2012 16:49 Jinsho wrote: If there are several reports about him being an ass at live events, and there are tons of people thinking his show is more about himself than SC2, then maybe there is some truth to it. But no, let's all get up on our high horse and shout loud and clear from all the rooftops: Day9 saved esports, so he may not be criticised.
People who know him and have met him are saying he's an okay dude. Your backup is IdrA.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
The whole money thing is stupid, because obviously that has no bearing on anything. I think if it's legitimately true that he is pretty rude to staff/production/whatever (as talked about in the article linked on the first page), then it's probably a good thing that it's brought out and he fixes it; not in an esports sense, but as a person. I know I'd be pretty upset if I was some no-name guy working at an esports event and someone was really rude to me but I couldn't say anything about it because it would be career suicide.
As someone who staffed MSI Battlegrounds with Day9 two weeks ago, I'll testify that Day9 do not act as a prima donna with the staff.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
The whole money thing is stupid, because obviously that has no bearing on anything. I think if it's legitimately true that he is pretty rude to staff/production/whatever (as talked about in the article linked on the first page), then it's probably a good thing that it's brought out and he fixes it; not in an esports sense, but as a person. I know I'd be pretty upset if I was some no-name guy working at an esports event and someone was really rude to me but I couldn't say anything about it because it would be career suicide.
Day9 in my experience was nothing but reasonable and kind. I had the opportunity to meet Day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 16:46 EZBreeZ wrote: Day9 seems to try too hard to be someone else in my opinion. I feel like he tries to bottle up his personality and plays a front of a super happy teletubbie. Am I the only one that thinks this?
Are you new to the community? Do you even know who Day9 is, or was in BW? He acted the same in 2005 as he does in 2012.
He acts different, but he has always acted that way even before he was making money or was a community figure. Much of the hate is from people who only know him from the daily, and assume his positivity etc is an act.
Edit: Never mind I actually don't care about this at all.
On May 24 2012 16:49 Jinsho wrote: If there are several reports about him being an ass at live events, and there are tons of people thinking his show is more about himself than SC2, then maybe there is some truth to it. But no, let's all get up on our high horse and shout loud and clear from all the rooftops: Day9 saved esports, so he may not be criticised.
People who know him and have met him are saying he's an okay dude. Your backup is IdrA.
Idra said he was a good guy despite criticising him on some things
Edit: And I'm sure Idra would have something to say about someone like 2GD saying Day9 is doing things for himself
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
this wins the thread :D
Please stfu about "winning threads", you post that shit on every thread. There's no such thing as winning a thread, it's about discussion. Please, really.
Uhh, I dont remember posting such in every thread lol. You got the wrong guy it seems. In any case Im sorry kk? <3
It is below the subscription link and it is for people who are already subscribing to give even more. Thats why is says "offer additional support" Anyone who does it is not doing it for monobattles.
If the people do give him money just because they enjoy the content day9 has no reason to say
"The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV."
Why not?
Why is day9 implying his business loses money?
Because it's free?
If his business is not losing money this is a very misleading sentence. Thats what I don't like it is misleading your most loyal fans to get more money that they would not give if they had more correct information.
The show is free, but the show also costs money to make. It's not misleading.
f you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports,
He does not say the donation is to thank him for enjoying his content.
It's implied. It's also to thank him for his contributions to esports as a whole and not just the show. He also thanks you back for donating by playing monobattles with you, and putting extra donations back into esports to bring awesome tournaments or lans, such as the AHGL.
It is to continue to grow esports. A very vague goal with no meaning besides imply he'd stop his efforts without donations.
Day[9] has undoubtedly grown esports, that is just fact. If you like how he has helped esports grow so far, you may donate extra money.
Would he quit esports all together without donations? I doubt it so I also find this misleading.
Do you think he was getting subscribers and donations when he started the daily in the first place? No, he was not. He's obviously doing the show because he WANTS to do the show.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
The statements are only misleading when you purposefully misinterpret them.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
The whole money thing is stupid, because obviously that has no bearing on anything. I think if it's legitimately true that he is pretty rude to staff/production/whatever (as talked about in the article linked on the first page), then it's probably a good thing that it's brought out and he fixes it; not in an esports sense, but as a person. I know I'd be pretty upset if I was some no-name guy working at an esports event and someone was really rude to me but I couldn't say anything about it because it would be career suicide.
As someone who staffed MSI Battlegrounds with Day9 two weeks ago, I'll testify that Day9 do not act as a prima donna with the staff.
Well, others have stated that he is (as in the article; the journalist in question and he stated that he's talked to others with similar experiences), and I find it hard to believe that they would risk getting lynched by all the rabid day9 fans to make up something completely untrue. I'm not saying that it is a 100% truth, but I would find it difficult that this would come out if it was a 1 time thing and didn't happen at least on a fairly regular basis. And like I said, I would be really upset if I was the guy who got mistreated and I couldn't say shit about it because of who mistreated me.
I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Just a general observation no opinion on the matter/Day9 -
I actually find it quite humorous that people use anecdotal evidence of someone being nice as proof that the person has legitimate intentions. "That's gold Jerry, gold!"
How DARE he make money at something that he has made his life and full-time job for the past 10+ years! .... Meanwhile in the real world, quit making stupid idealisms out of everything? People have to eat and successful people generally have worked incredibly hard to get where they are. I'm not a fan of the dailies like I used to be at this point last year but I still think people like Sean Plott need to stop being crucified for making money. You can't make eSports a legitimate industry unless you can have jobs and support additional job creation, which Sean is doing with his Day9TV corporation (or whatever it is).
i would personally love it if day9 was getting filthy rich off of sc2, he deserves it.
and at the end of the day, he spends 100% of his time dedicated to sc2, and the daily is always free and so is everything he does, if he is getting rich its not your money anyway...
No one complains that bill gates is rich cos of windows/microsoft etc, so why is it any different for esports? good on sean if hes making money.
Some people love him, some hate him, who cares? Facts are he is one of the better casters and he has done a lot for esports. But you can dislike/hate his attitude or his casting style.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
That was fucking weak man, that's not elitism at fucking all rofl. What a skewed view of the word. Sean says he's busy, the guys stick around despite his clear message that he can't talk.
They prod further into what he's doing despite being unopen about it and clearly stating he's busy (a.k.a. please leave me alone).
I didn't realise this was even an issue or even seen or read anything to suggest it was until this thread was created. I'm sure the op didn't intend to spark a discussion that wasn't an issue but until now I've not seen anything about this, sorry if i'm wrong.
If it is true it seems a very bizare thing to get upset about. In my opinion he is one of the best things to ever happen to esports especially sc2, surely it's normal to get paid well when you do something well, i'd be more concerned if he wasn't making much at all. From what I see on his show etc he probably works harder than alot of people so he deserves good money for it. It's also no one elses business but his own what he makes, you wouldn't go around asking people who wern't your friends or family how much they earn. He's in the spotlight and in the entertainment business so i guess there's interest but still.
As far as being fake, i personally think this isn't the case by a long shot but again he produces a show which people watch and enjoy even if it was true how would it be an issue?
Day9 is one of the people to get me into esports and I can't fualt him. I'm a big day9 fan.
Stopped reading at "silent majority." The majority of people don't care and are silent as a result of that. It's not as if the majority of the posters on TL believe or voice anything negative. It's often split depending on the topic.
day9 is a great contributor to SC, even if he is has a large ego about it, IMO his contributions far outweigh these flaws. You can discern from his casting (when he is doing it informally and being candid) that he is definitely aware that he is famous within the community. This is nothing new, it goes back to BW. But like I said, what he has done for the community really offsets him being rude to people. Besides, he must get approached all the time, gotta get annoying.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Admittedly, he didn't know he was going live and they kind of jumped on top of him in the middle of working/doing his stuff. I don't think anyone reasonable can hold that against him. He got kind of jumped by guys with a camera.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
How is that having an attitude or elitism? Some random people with microphones and cameras walk up to him out of nowhere and stick a microphone in his face, he says "Whoa....." "Is this live" "I'm busy right now", but all in a polite way. To the impolite people who shoved a mic in his face.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
That was fucking weak man, that's not elitism at fucking all rofl. What a skewed view of the word. Sean says he's busy, the guys stick around despite his clear message that he can't talk.
They prod further into what he's doing despite being unopen about it and clearly stating he's busy (a.k.a. please leave me alone).
Weak shit, just weak.
yeah what the hell, he is obviously busy and/or doesnt want to talk right now for reasons he does not have to give. The camera man was insanely rude trying to see what he was doing, and so were the interviews for asking him a question after he said he is busy. He is simply busy.
Stop trying to find reasons to hate him when they arent fucking there.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
How is that having an attitude or elitism? Some random people with microphones and cameras walk up to him out of nowhere and stick a microphone in his face, he says "Whoa....." "Is this live" "I'm busy right now", but all in a polite way. To the impolite people who shoved a mic in his face.
Yeah honestly if I were in the middle of doing something, and someone came up behind me with a mic and camera then shoved the mic in my face, I wouldn't just be like "whoa". Day9 is a manner guy and was polite, more than most people would be if they get jumped on by surprise with recording equipment in their faces...
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Oh, that video. Exactly what I was saying earlier, now people are starting to jump on the "OMG ELITISM" bandwagon and pulling out random shit. I have no idea how did you reach that conclusion, but the video by no means shows Day9 as elitist. It shows him as being busy with facebook or something, taking some time off, and then those reporters interrupt him, expecting him to be ready to answer questions and what not. Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be at least slightly surprised?
I think one of the underlying problems that people have with day9 has to do with the fact that since we're a developing industry, a lot of things are hazy and informal where they should perhaps be formal, and vice versa in other scenarios.
First the community is a bit inconsistent imo. We hate on Orb (although i guess the lying was his big problem) and Destiny for racial slurs, but we don't say anything when someone calls Incontrol fat to his face.
I'd also like to touch on what MVTaylor said in his Reddit comment about how day9 is in (essentially) fake GM. This could call be cured with 1) a show match or 2) seeing his reps or 3) see him stream right? The slight problem is how solid Day9 is, in the fact that I don't really ever recall a scenario where he collapsed to the community and said "ok, i'll show you!".
1)A show match is pretty out of the question seeing as if he manages to beat a well known player, that player will get a lot of shit for losing to a guy who doesn't even play full time. If he loses, well then he's just bad and there'll be a shitstorm there as well. A mob mentality simply can't see a win-win scenario.
2)Day9 isn't much of a bragging guy, and I don't think it's fair to want him to be, or to blame him for not being so. That being said, his dailies are meant to cover specific areas of game play, and to say "watch how I wait for x to do y. See how smart that is? etc etc and then I win the game. Awesome right? It's because I'm so smart that I can make such good decisions and beat this guy" is just. not him.
3)Lastly, for streaming, I think it would be fair to see some games, I think like a 1 day event would be reasonable, but frankly, considering reddit and the fact that this thread even exists and that some people clearly don't like him, it doesn't change anything. If he plays any less than perfection or losses a couple games, he'll get shit for it. "aren't you suppose to be some guru who knows everything?"
It's kind of amusing to me that it seems that people are just so negative and cynical in their own lives that they just can't believe it's possible for someone to be as happy and social as day9 is.
Edit: Secret05 has obviously can't tell the difference between being rudely interrupted and being an elitist.
On May 24 2012 15:30 TheWorldToCome wrote: For me I have always had a real big issue with the fact that he claims to be some SC2 guru with his day9 dalies, yet has never provided evidence on how good he is at SC2.
He claims he is GM in all 3 races yet has never provided proof of this. And the only games he ever streams of himself are like Amnesia and Diablo 3.
Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while.
This sums it up. claiming to have gm accounts with zero evidence, generally seeming to be pretentiously nice (some call fake) while not being so nice when the camera is off (as posted in first page). Also the fact that he asks and takes donations and seems to downplay the money he makes.
Edit: the video posted further confirms his attitude for me. He is looking at the cameramen like they are peasants or something and the other casters seem knowingly uneasy about it.
Do you think he was getting subscribers and donations when he started the daily in the first place? No, he was not. He's obviously doing the show because he WANTS to do the show.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
The statements are only misleading when you purposefully misinterpret them.
Honestly, regardless of Day9 being a nice person or not, I'm sure there was a financial motive behind this. I'm sure he figured down the road when more people are playing Starcraft 2, he could profit from it. Did he ever expect to grow this big? I'm not sure.
But for people to say he doesn't give a shit about money is straight up silly. If he didn't care about money, he'd donate the rest to tournaments or so after his standard expenses.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
The whole money thing is stupid, because obviously that has no bearing on anything. I think if it's legitimately true that he is pretty rude to staff/production/whatever (as talked about in the article linked on the first page), then it's probably a good thing that it's brought out and he fixes it; not in an esports sense, but as a person. I know I'd be pretty upset if I was some no-name guy working at an esports event and someone was really rude to me but I couldn't say anything about it because it would be career suicide.
As someone who staffed MSI Battlegrounds with Day9 two weeks ago, I'll testify that Day9 do not act as a prima donna with the staff.
Well, others have stated that he is (as in the article; the journalist in question and he stated that he's talked to others with similar experiences), and I find it hard to believe that they would risk getting lynched by all the rabid day9 fans to make up something completely untrue. I'm not saying that it is a 100% truth, but I would find it difficult that this would come out if it was a 1 time thing and didn't happen at least on a fairly regular basis. And like I said, I would be really upset if I was the guy who got mistreated and I couldn't say shit about it because of who mistreated me.
Pretty convenient that he doesn't actually say who any of these others are and none of them have come forward. I also happened to talk to a bunch of people who worked with the guy who wrote that article and they said he's a primadonna and difficult to work with. Prove I didn't.
I think day9 could ward off a lot of hate and attacks if he would just give us some proof that he really is GM with all three races, because as it is right now his credit as a bw progamer just isn't enough to cut it anymore.
It's amazing how hard these people are grasping at possible straws to show day9 is not a great guy, and the fact that they have to do misleading stuff and put in all this effort just shows what a great guy he is that nobody can find him being a dick... especially in circumstances like that aggressive interview team. Honestly I'm not sure I'd be as nice as day9 if someone jumped me like that and tried to get their camera on my computer... lol.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
I have never had a reason to hate Day9. He is about 50% of the reason why I am into Starcraft, the other half being Husky. But from what I can tell he has done an amazing job in this community, and for that alone I would never hate him. But that was kind of a loaded question in the interview anyway so I dunno what to say. I don't blame him, but I'd never blame Day9 for doing anything but creating growth either.
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah I can't believe people could watch that video and not see the interviewers as unprofessional and inconsiderate and that is why he reacted the way he did, which wasn't negative AT ALL.
On May 24 2012 15:30 TheWorldToCome wrote: For me I have always had a real big issue with the fact that he claims to be some SC2 guru with his day9 dalies, yet has never provided evidence on how good he is at SC2.
He claims he is GM in all 3 races yet has never provided proof of this. And the only games he ever streams of himself are like Amnesia and Diablo 3.
Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while.
This sums it up. claiming to have gm accounts with zero evidence, generally seeming to be pretentiously nice (some call fake) while not being so nice when the camera is off (as posted in first page). Also the fact that he asks and takes donations and seems to downplay the money he makes.
what? people were begging to give him money for so long, so he let them, there is nothing changed for people who dont wanna pay anything.
And he was asked SO MANY TIMES if he was GM or not, of course he is going to answer them eventually.
day 9's ego is so fucking huge. I'm actually surprised many people don't even see it. He doesn't make the casts enjoyable to listen to. He doesn't make it interesting. He will often interrupt fellow casters to say something often unimportant and not even pertaining to the game. I'm happy someone from the pro community called him out. And when day9 says "I'm broke" I actually laugh, because even idra said top tier casters make tons and tons of money. TBH the community doesn't need anyone like this. Its a turn off when I'm watching tournaments. I honestly have to mute because all he does is talk over or talk for extended periods of time and his ego shows during the whole thing. And in this video posted above he was browsing Facebook how is that fucking busy? Is Facebook so fucking important that he couldn't answer a few questions about the tournament? Knowing that tournaments have crews that walk around doing live feeds. Sure he is a knowledgeable person to talk to about the game. But when he goes on and it not only makes me, but probably hundreds of others irritated. Before sc2 took off, i can say this for a fact he wasn't as obnoxious as he is now. I could care less if he casted a major tournament ever again, but its annoying to have to mute it.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Why can't we just have our opinions of the man and just keep them to ourselves? Whether or not you think he's a wonderful or abhorrent person, it's not like he's out there kicking puppies in the name of esports or embezzling from Sundance's wallet. Why don't you guys start when there's a legitimate reason, with substantial proof, to start shitting on someone?
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
You're really lacking some perspective here. The dude basically got jumped by an interview team and had stuff shoved in his face. He might have been talking to a family member, or setting something up on the day9tv facebook feed. The fact of the matter is, that interview team was so amazingly unprofessional I'm apalled.
EDIT: in fact, if he seems to be in a different mood during his downtime at a tournament than he is doing his daily show, and that surprises you, you should think for a moment about how tiring casting like 10 hours a day is. And the fact of the matter is, he isn't rude at all to the interview team even though they're dicks. he just politely decline then when they shove their camera in his computer he moves out of the way.
Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Are you serious? Two guys show up with a camera, don't even bother to ask him if he can talk, and he's "showing elitism" by refusing to submit to their rude poorly handled probe for an interview?
There can be perfectly legitimate criticisms of the man, but this is desperate.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
I have to say after working as a manager in a restaurant that makes over 3.5 million a year, he puts up with the pressure rather well for who he is and what he has gone through. I struggle every day dealing with 3,000 dollar hours cutting a pizza every 10 seconds and talking to customers with a smile on my face. You can call me fake for not being mean to them, but the fact is it's my job to give them a pleasant experience. Being good at that doesn't make me fake, it makes me devoted to my fucking work. All these hater people are ungrateful fucks.
On May 24 2012 17:17 yoigen wrote: day9 is extremely narcissistic
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
Here comes the alternative gaming communities' copy-pastas.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Do you think he was getting subscribers and donations when he started the daily in the first place? No, he was not. He's obviously doing the show because he WANTS to do the show.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
The statements are only misleading when you purposefully misinterpret them.
Honestly, regardless of Day9 being a nice person or not, I'm sure there was a financial motive behind this. I'm sure he figured down the road when more people are playing Starcraft 2, he could profit from it. Did he ever expect to grow this big? I'm not sure.
But for people to say he doesn't give a shit about money is straight up silly. If he didn't care about money, he'd donate the rest to tournaments or so after his standard expenses.
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
On May 24 2012 17:17 yoigen wrote: day9 is extremely narcissistic
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
Here comes the alternative gaming communities' copy-pastas.
Oh man, batten down the hatches. It's also worth noting that day9 has been like interviewed by Forbes and stuff-- he does a fair amount of outreach outside the traditional sc2 community. <3
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Unfortunately I can't trust your assessment since your narcissism means you could well think you know what you're talking about when you don't.
On May 24 2012 15:30 TheWorldToCome wrote: For me I have always had a real big issue with the fact that he claims to be some SC2 guru with his day9 dalies, yet has never provided evidence on how good he is at SC2.
He claims he is GM in all 3 races yet has never provided proof of this. And the only games he ever streams of himself are like Amnesia and Diablo 3.
Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while.
This sums it up. claiming to have gm accounts with zero evidence, generally seeming to be pretentiously nice (some call fake) while not being so nice when the camera is off (as posted in first page). Also the fact that he asks and takes donations and seems to downplay the money he makes.
what? people were begging to give him money for so long, so he let them, there is nothing changed for people who dont wanna pay anything.
And he was asked SO MANY TIMES if he was GM or not, of course he is going to answer them eventually.
He could say that he's not? I mean, it's not a big deal (imo) if he isn't a GM level player. You can still understand the game well and not be in GM, you just don't have the time to practice (which is totally understandable in his position). There's no shame in it.
It doesn't really bother me, since I think he's a baller anyway, but if any other caster (let's say TB), said that they have three GM level accounts, well, let's be honest. The community would be on them to actually prove that they have those accounts in a heartbeat. Isn't that kind of strange?
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
you do realise on the dailies he has had time to get ready and is then live on air doing his show, during that video he is getting ready and prepping and trying to get stuff ready in his head. Facebook has alot of functions, he might be talking to someone on there about some info he needs to know, or getting something sent to him or posting some info about the event. Doing what he does doesn't mean he has to be bouncy all the time, when he is live he puts on a show as any good entertainer does, he is still very much himself just more settled as thats where he enjoys being. During prep work he is hardly going to be running round the studio.
Do you think he was getting subscribers and donations when he started the daily in the first place? No, he was not. He's obviously doing the show because he WANTS to do the show.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
The statements are only misleading when you purposefully misinterpret them.
Honestly, regardless of Day9 being a nice person or not, I'm sure there was a financial motive behind this. I'm sure he figured down the road when more people are playing Starcraft 2, he could profit from it. Did he ever expect to grow this big? I'm not sure.
But for people to say he doesn't give a shit about money is straight up silly. If he didn't care about money, he'd donate the rest to tournaments or so after his standard expenses.
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
All of these people talking about how much money he makes tend to forget that he has an organization with employees and operation costs. That money from streaming gets redistributed. I'm not saying he's poor, but is he making as much as some of the streaming players individually? I don't think so.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
except all the people who DO know him more personally (i.e. players and other casters) won't ever call him out on it because it would ruin their own reputation due to day9's status in the community, apart from the people who don't care (idra, 2GD). people like JP even hinted at it but wouldn't talk about it because it would burn too many bridges. day9's done a lot for the community, but there's no way to say anything negative or give criticism to him with everyone holding him on this pedestal.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Wow Day9 handled that really well. It's the two other guys that look like assholes in this.
Yeah, those guys are complete jackasses. He says he's busy, so they zoom in on his laptop to see what he was doing? He's pretty obviously on Facebook. Neither I nor them nor anyone watching that video had to know that. And just walking up to him with a live camera rolling? I don't know if I would be rude when they initially walked up, but when they zoomed in on what I was doing? I'd have straight up said "Dude, what the fuck?" Even if they were zooming in for Rotterdam, there are better ways to get that shot. Like, you know, moving to the left a bit.
I like how when Incontrol and Idra and others come out with stories about how much of a douche Naniwa is people immediately responded with "Nuhuh, that can't be true! He's Swedish and good at the game! Who says they're not lying?!?!" But when a guy comes up with one instance of supposed rudeness and then backs it up with nothing else but more hearsay, he's suddenly a holy word bearer that we must take heed of.
This is, honestly, just more EG-brand hate. Everyone hates EG because they're the Yankees of SC2. Their players make the most money and win the most championships and shit like that. Everyone here hates on Day[9] because he (allegedly, we once again have no proof of this. Like everything else said against Day[9]) makes a lot of money and has a lot of fans and is a lightning rod for outside interest into SC2. He's successful, so holy shit let's hate him.
I'm surprised, I thought Day[9] was the only person immune from blind, irrational, ridiculous Reddit hate. Apparently I was wrong. No one is.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
except all the people who DO know him more personally (i.e. players and other casters) won't ever call him out on it because it would ruin their own reputation due to day9's status in the community, apart from the people who don't care (idra, 2GD). people like JP even hinted at it but wouldn't talk about it because it would burn too many bridges. day9's done a lot for the community, but there's no way to say anything negative or give criticism to him with everyone holding him on this pedestal.
I'm not saying the man is an angel, I'm just noting that those of us coming forwards with stories about him being nice are being met by... well, nothing. By people slinging conjecture and unrelated videos. Where's the tons of people coming forwards with personal anecdotes about day9 being a dick to them? The vast majority of us who have met him once or twice are like "well this guy is pretty legit" and I think that speaks for itself.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
This is laughable. You can tell from the way that he pauses and his tone of voice that he's trying hard not to be rude, but really wants to be left alone to work on whatever he was doing. He did a better job than most people would at that point of not acting rude when a camera running live is jumped on them when they're in the middle of something.
On May 24 2012 17:11 phiinix wrote: It's kind of amusing to me that it seems that people are just so negative and cynical in their own lives that they just can't believe it's possible for someone to be as happy and social as day9 is.
I chuckled a bit at this. There are people saying 'How can you possibly be so naive as to believe that he's not really this elitist and terrible person behind the act he puts on' but can't consider the idea that he's actually just a really genuine guy who loves what he does.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Again, I think it's really worth noting that there are tons of posts like this in the thread, from people who have worked directly with Day9 and have really found him to be a great guy, and the vast majority of hater posts are people who have never met him who are just like "well he seems fake on his webshow"... I think we know who's more credible.
except all the people who DO know him more personally (i.e. players and other casters) won't ever call him out on it because it would ruin their own reputation due to day9's status in the community, apart from the people who don't care (idra, 2GD). people like JP even hinted at it but wouldn't talk about it because it would burn too many bridges. day9's done a lot for the community, but there's no way to say anything negative or give criticism to him with everyone holding him on this pedestal.
Do you think it is healthy in other sports for every person to start talking shit on each other? Is that not counterproductive towards making our community more accessible to the masses. That IS the goal. Stop worrying about who is being real, and enjoy the matches you are watching be casted, and stop harassing the players and casters incessantly in between every fucking match at a tournament. Don't harass them when they eat. etc... God it pains me when I'm at these events to see it. I got nervous to even talk to Sean each time I met him just because I didn't want to get in the way since I imagined how stressful his job must be.
I can sort of see how people are trying to plaster this kind of two faced persona about him everywhere with all the popularity he has gotten over the years, but it's just paranoia. its the same when your favorite band goes mainstream and you start crying about how it isn't the same, or that they've sold out. the difference here is whether you are a new fan or an old fan, you can LITERALLY look back on all the things he's done and continues to do for the community and discern his love for sc comes before money.
i'm glad he makes enough for a living. because i know he'd continue down this path even if he didn't get paid shit, like most people who follow their passions do, and its a shame when it happens. perhaps you can call it luck or 'fortunate' maybe, but its luck he's managed to create for himself.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Are you serious? Two guys show up with a camera, don't even bother to ask him if he can talk, and he's "showing elitism" by refusing to submit to their rude poorly handled probe for an interview?
There can be perfectly legitimate criticisms of the man, but this is desperate.
Well they are not just two random guys, they work for ESL as casters for other games the same as Rotterdam does for SC2, ESL being the people behind the event who have paid to fly Day9 over there. Joe is also friend of 2GD and has cast with him on many occasions so that may explain a few things.
If an event organizer who is employing me as a caster walks up to me with a camera i might be a bit annoyed but i would put down the game I was playing to talk to them about the event I have come to cast. A lot of people seem to turn up to IEM events not knowing who is who in Europe, something Carmac likes to use at their expense a lot.
Maybe theres something there maybe there isnt but I would rather people like Idra and 2GD say it to my face and and they will. Also we can all be rude sometimes during a tiring day while working I know I am grumpy as hell sometimes.
This thread is getting out of hand. There are a lot of people who just want to take personal shots at day9. Like I said, I think it might be legit that he's rude to some people sometimes at events/etc and it may be worth having a discussion because a random guy working at an esports event who's being mistreated by a guy like day9, tasteless, Artosis, or someone else who everyone loves can't really say, "hey, this guy is acting like a douche at events", because he's not nearly as valuable to that event as the big name person and he's goign to get bounced if he tries to say something about it and the press is bad for the event.
The discussion of what recourse esports employees like this have in this kind of a situation might be good (I'm not saying this happens all the time in this instance, but it seems apparent it's happened at least a bit), and how to moniter this kind of behavior; as it is, I think this thread is turning into a shitfest and probably shoudl be closed :/
Jesus christ, these incidents just brought all the closeted day9 haters out, along with their homemade concocted psych evaluations on how day9 is really an asshole who just wants your money.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
I dunno, I met Day9 IRL and he seemed pretty chill to me. Did he have a good personality and sense of self? of course, you need that if you're gonna be talking / commentating for a living. I don't think he's got some sort of mental illness though. Day9 is a nice, normal guy.
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
As I said, I personally don't know if he ever planned on making this much. I can almost guarantee you if Starcraft 2's foreign scene was anything like BW, he wouldn't be doing his dailies for the community. He cares about the money. Is he making profit from casting, dailies, subscriptions, etc? Absolutely. If he didn't care about the money, he could dump every penny of profit back into tournaments, etc. I'm not trying to bash him, as I think essentially every single person would be doing the same thing, but people honestly thinking he's doing this strictly for the fans are just silly. I can't comment on his attitude as I don't know the guy.
So much enviousness here . . . why did you bring this shitstorm to teamliquid? Now everyone jumps on the bandwagon and searchs something bad about Day[9]. He does not deserve this.
He does this for so many years and all of us have already enjoyed his casting or dailies. Did you donate any money to him? The great majority did not and the great majority did not even pay a single dollar for any of his conent. But you have to critize that there is the option to donate for him and that he is earning too much money. What?
To clarify, Day[9] said that he WAS GM in past seasons with all three races but it was a while ago and he's not on that level now. Even so, being good enough to make what would likely be Masters in the current ladder with all three races is nothing to sneeze at.
What difference does it make though? There are thousands of coaches in professional sports who never made the all-star team or won a championship. Does that make their opinions invalid too? Heck, Phil Jackson was never even the best player on his own team yet he's one of the greatest basketball coaches of all time with 11 championship wins.
On May 24 2012 17:12 Orracle wrote: But for people to say he doesn't give a shit about money is straight up silly. If he didn't care about money, he'd donate the rest to tournaments or so after his standard expenses.
First, how many people donate their money to a charity organisation "after their standard expenses" instead of buying TVs, cars, gadgets etc. anyway? Come on, throw the stones.
Second, he in fact did use his money to get the After Hours Gaming League started. He did pay the prize money out of his own pocket at least for Season 1.
Edit: Just saw your next post.
I'm not trying to bash him, as I think essentially every single person would be doing the same thing, but people honestly thinking he's doing this strictly for the fans are just silly. I can't comment on his attitude as I don't know the guy.
I know where you're coming from, but I think there's not only the options of "doing something out of charity" and "doing something for money". I think there's also "pursuing some activity because you love to do it and trying to somehow live from it". On a sidenote, I believe that most people would be a lot happier, if they took the latter approach to their lives
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
You would know then that a key component of science is that the burden of proof relies on the claiment to prove what he is saying is correct, not on the other person to prove it is wrong.
I do agree though, This thread may as well not exist
Yeah Apoo's got everyone's number here. The fact of the matter is, Day9's dailies are free. If you don't like them, don't watch them, or don't subscribe.
Don't know why everyone gets so mad when someone says he doesn't like day9 for various reasons. Personally for instance I find his casting mediocre at best, his dailies don't draw my attention and most of his contributions to sotg appear rather poor to me. But so what why make such a big deal out of it as if it would take away something from your own opinion on him.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
In a thread full of dumb posts, behold, the dumberest.
That's like shoving a camera into a stand up comedian's face and, if they don't immediately launch into their routine, calling them a phony asshole.
Day[9]! Why can't you be excited 24/7?! I don't wanna hear any shit about 'downtime' or 'being an actual human being not a fucking dancing monkey'. If you're not constantly in a state of joyful hype, you're obviously just faking it for money. How could you.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
AHAHAHAHAHA
You are the one making the claim that he is a narcissist due to your armchair psych evaluation. When there is no evidence, the default position is NOT narcissism/greed/ulterior motives. Do you know how evidence works?
Guess what guys, You say you have ten years of psychology experience but I think you are actually a bear from outer space based on absolutely no evidence and 10 years of space experience and both of our opinions hold equal weight!
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
As I said, I personally don't know if he ever planned on making this much. I can almost guarantee you if Starcraft 2's foreign scene was anything like BW, he wouldn't be doing his dailies for the community. He cares about the money. Is he making profit from casting, dailies, subscriptions, etc? Absolutely. If he didn't care about the money, he could dump every penny of profit back into tournaments, etc. I'm not trying to bash him, as I think essentially every single person would be doing the same thing, but people honestly thinking he's doing this strictly for the fans are just silly. I can't comment on his attitude as I don't know the guy.
'You realise he started doing dailies for BW.... He probably wouldn't invest as much time in the dailies which would've been impossible anyway since he would have had to work. And you really don't know what he's doing with the money maye he only makes 30k$ for himself and invests the rest or maybe he takes a majority of the money it's just speculating.
I reckon that Idra is right. Day[9] is probably a pretty nice guy IRL - I've never seen footage of him acting like a douche - but his financial situation and the whole donating thing seems a bit shady. Not enough to warrant criticisms of his psychological state (seriously guys?) but enough to warrant a little bit of scrutiny.
On May 24 2012 17:41 SeaSwift wrote: I reckon that Idra is right. Day[9] is probably a pretty nice guy IRL - I've never seen footage of him acting like a douche - but his financial situation and the whole donating thing seems a bit shady. Not enough to warrant criticisms of his psychological state (seriously guys?) but enough to warrant a little bit of scrutiny.
Starcraft fans, Know that this day, we have uncovered the Day[9] Cocaine trafficking enterprise
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
AHAHAHAHAHA
You are the one making the claim that he is a narcissist due to your armchair psych evaluation. When there is no evidence, the default position is NOT narcissism/greed/ulterior motives. Do you know how evidence works?
Guess what guys, You say you have ten years of psychology experience but I think you are actually a bear from outer space based on absolutely no evidence and 10 years of space experience and both of our opinions hold equal weight!
Lol epic counter. Might use this one of these days.
On topic. there have been more testimonies from people working for Day9 that he is a good person than those who dont know him personally. So I guess that counts.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
You would know then that a key component of science is that the burden of proof relies on the claiment to prove what he is saying is correct, not on the other person to prove it is wrong.
I do agree though, This thread may as well not exist
Yes, the burden of proof is on everyone who claims they know anything about Day9 one way or the other. However, nobody here is qualified to give that kind of proof, because nobody here knows him. Therefore, why should my assessment of his personality be any more scrutinized than that of someone like you who comes in with one-liners supporting him? It's a thread, in a forum, full of opinions, and I gave mine based on more evidence than the majority of posters here.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
AHAHAHAHAHA
You are the one making the claim that he is a narcissist due to your armchair psych evaluation. When there is no evidence, the default position is NOT narcissism/greed/ulterior motives. Do you know how evidence works?
Guess what guys, You say you have ten years of psychology experience but I think you are actually a bear from outer space based on absolutely no evidence and 10 years of space experience and both of our opinions hold equal weight!
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
You having no direct evidence other than from watching his videos where he is acting and putting on a show. Me having actually met him. Anecdotal yes, but is yours anywhere close to that? Since it's obvious you aren't qualified to analyze him psychologically since he's not on your couch, mind humbly putting a cork in it?
Thought it was pretty obvious that he's fake when broadcasting... but why does that even matter? Most, if not all, broadcasters are much different on air vs in person (TV, radio, etc. etc.)
You guys are the sore of humanity. Giving other people shit cause they make too much money or they give you the best impression when your go up to them like a fuckin fangirl to get your breasts signed at EVERY DAMN competition.
And pro players turning against him huh? What a bunch of assholes... Jealous cunts, Go fucking win something instead of hating on people or giving us your bullshit opinion on things.
Day 9 is a pillar of the scene. Id be damn proud of myself for that if I was in his shoes. And now we have the pseudo psychologists giving us their bullshit analysis.
As they say, haters gotta hate, but for god's sake guys try to use your brain for for a change, or please get your genes out of the gene pool, darwin says thanks.
EDIT: edited out any direct accusation. The few phrases on that show werent enought to really start opening fire like that...
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
As I said, I personally don't know if he ever planned on making this much. I can almost guarantee you if Starcraft 2's foreign scene was anything like BW, he wouldn't be doing his dailies for the community. He cares about the money. Is he making profit from casting, dailies, subscriptions, etc? Absolutely. If he didn't care about the money, he could dump every penny of profit back into tournaments, etc. I'm not trying to bash him, as I think essentially every single person would be doing the same thing, but people honestly thinking he's doing this strictly for the fans are just silly. I can't comment on his attitude as I don't know the guy.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know).
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2.
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too.
I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D
He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D
Yeah, he totally cares about the money. /sarcasm
I don't think he ever planned on making any money from the daily. It was only after many many many fans BEGGED him to let them donate that he made the option.
Ehhh people are just finding something to hate again now it's been relatively quiet. Not surprised a lot of this is coming from Reddit. I'm glad that most people in this thread that are calling bullshit on this.
I don't want to be the one to bring up post count but it's pretty obvious that some of the people who think Day9 is fake are not even aware of what he was like years and years ago.. he didn't just pop up in the scene when SC2 came out and got popular.
'You realise he started doing dailies for BW.... He probably wouldn't invest as much time in the dailies which would've been impossible anyway since he would have had to work. And you really don't know what he's doing with the money maye he only makes 30k$ for himself and invests the rest or maybe he takes a majority of the money it's just speculating.
Errr, I wouldn't call them dailies. He did casting, but nothing like he does in SC2. He was more of a player. You're 100% correct. Very few people know what he makes. What I'm saying is there's a motivation for money from his dailies, and likely was from the start. I never claimed he anticipated it to be this big, or to even to be able to sustain a living on it, but there was a motive. I'm not trying to argue he shouldn't care about the money, or that he should dump it back into Starcraft 2, etc. I'm just arguing about the fact that he blatantly cares about money.
On May 24 2012 17:41 SeaSwift wrote: I reckon that Idra is right. Day[9] is probably a pretty nice guy IRL - I've never seen footage of him acting like a douche - but his financial situation and the whole donating thing seems a bit shady. Not enough to warrant criticisms of his psychological state (seriously guys?) but enough to warrant a little bit of scrutiny.
Starcraft fans, Know that this day, we have uncovered the Day[9] Cocaine trafficking enterprise
yeah srsly i was wondering this too. Unless day9 is smuggling in immigrant workers, or doing some miscellaneous illegal shit,(which I seriously doubt) what right do we have to snoop into what he does with this money?
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
maybe he was making an important update to the tournament FB page? or to some other tournament? (ahgl?) or had to sort out an issue with a recent daily vod?
Facebook chat CAN be used for important things too.
or having a convo with someone about something important to do with the tournament or something personally important?
or he had to start casting in 5 mins and only just got to sit down and wanted some personal non sc2 time before casting for 10 hours.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
You would know then that a key component of science is that the burden of proof relies on the claiment to prove what he is saying is correct, not on the other person to prove it is wrong.
I do agree though, This thread may as well not exist
Yes, the burden of proof is on everyone who claims they know anything about Day9 one way or the other. However, nobody here is qualified to give that kind of proof, because nobody here knows him. Therefore, why should my assessment of his personality be any more scrutinized than that of someone like you who comes in with one-liners supporting him? It's a thread, in a forum, full of opinions, and I gave mine based on more evidence than the majority of posters here.
Then I have to ask, why assess him at all? Your post would only serve to destabilize the thread and is based, as you just admitted, on evidence based solely of your own experience, and not of his. As you know with your psychology experience, dissorders manifest, and effect others in different ways, and one person's accedotal evidence cannot be used as evidence to attribute to anyone other than themselves
Anyway, i'll stop. I have said all that I'd really like to on this subject.
'You realise he started doing dailies for BW.... He probably wouldn't invest as much time in the dailies which would've been impossible anyway since he would have had to work. And you really don't know what he's doing with the money maye he only makes 30k$ for himself and invests the rest or maybe he takes a majority of the money it's just speculating.
Errr, I wouldn't call them dailies. He did casting, but nothing like he does in SC2. He was more of a player. You're 100% correct. Very few people know what he makes. What I'm saying is there's a motivation for money from his dailies, and likely was from the start. I never claimed he anticipated it to be this big, or to even to be able to sustain a living on it, but there was a motive. I'm not trying to argue he shouldn't care about the money, or that he should dump it back into Starcraft 2, etc. I'm just arguing about the fact that he blatantly cares about money.
Guess what? EVERYBODY cares about money. At least in the way you describe it. A man's gotta eat, right?
There was never monetary motivation in the beginning. It was his hobby that he was doing while going to college. He then discovered that his fans were rabid enough to donate to him. He still probably doesn't make tons of money off of a FREE show that costs tons of time, effort, volunteers, and money.
I don't think he ever planned on making any money from the daily. It was only after many many many fans BEGGED him to let them donate that he made the option.
I have no idea about the context of the situation you bolded. Did he get paid for it? Did he know there was going to be pay? If the answer to either of those questions is yes, case and point right there. I'm sure he loves what he does, but with the fame he currently has, I'm sure you wouldn't see him flying out to the next MLG out of his on pocket to cast for free.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Lol, are you kidding me? Those guys just run up to the guy and stick a microphone and camera in his face when he's doing something on his computer. If it was some guy saying "oh hi day9!" he'd be chill but you cant just bust out a camera on a dude who's taking some downtime and is clearly unprepared. After he's made it clear he's busy, they go in for the "closeup" and basically get inside his personal space AFTER he's basically like "no".
Honestly... if I were in day9's position in there I'd have some very harsh words for those guys. But instead, he MOVED OUT OF THE WAY for their shot cause he's a considerate fellow.
i hate how they just go up to him and ask questions, its polite to just ask "hey day9 do you have time to answer a couple of questions?" if he says no, just walk away.
Really unproffesional interview team.
Yeah he was so busy working on facebook, really couldn't make time to talk for a bit or even just say a couple words.Sure doesn't match the day9 i see on the fucking daily, always jumpy and excited and happy.
maybe he was making an important update to the tournament FB page? or to some other tournament? (ahgl?) or had to sort out an issue with a recent daily vod?
Facebook chat CAN be used for important things too.
or having a convo with someone about something important to do with the tournament or something personally important?
or he had to start casting in 5 mins and only just got to sit down and wanted some personal non sc2 time before casting for 10 hours.
Honestly, I don't care what Day9 was doing, it's his downtime. They should have asked, but instead they were rude, and that's all there is to it. Day9 politely declined, and they continued shoving shit in his face.
Guess what? EVERYBODY cares about money. At least in the way you describe it. A man's gotta eat, right?
There was never monetary motivation in the beginning. It was his hobby that he was doing while going to college. He then discovered that his fans were rabid enough to donate to him. He still probably doesn't make tons of money off of a FREE show that costs tons of time, effort, volunteers, and money.
PLEASE quote where I said no one would do the same. I specifically stated, ESSENTIALLY EVERYONE, would do the same. I'm not arguing a thing about if he's a good or bad person, I'm arguing about how people could be silly enough to think there is no monetary motivation behind his dailies.
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
You would know then that a key component of science is that the burden of proof relies on the claiment to prove what he is saying is correct, not on the other person to prove it is wrong.
I do agree though, This thread may as well not exist
Yes, the burden of proof is on everyone who claims they know anything about Day9 one way or the other. However, nobody here is qualified to give that kind of proof, because nobody here knows him. Therefore, why should my assessment of his personality be any more scrutinized than that of someone like you who comes in with one-liners supporting him? It's a thread, in a forum, full of opinions, and I gave mine based on more evidence than the majority of posters here.
In science, as in real life, the proper course of action is to withhold judgement.
Speaking of which, it's not like we have 0 information regarding his personality. He has done a lot of things for the community, and has done a lot of things in the past with brood war.
This is at least weak bayesian evidence for him being a nice guy who is not just trying to make a quick buck (there are easier ways, guys).
As day[9] was saying on live on 3 yesterday, that is just extraordinarily silly to think that he got into doing the daily for money. Do you really think 3 years ago at harvey mudd he was thinking when he was done with his degree, "yeah, Esports, that's where the moneys gonna be, I gotta get in on that action"? Streaming wasn't a big thing. Monetizing esports content wasn't figured out. Thinking he got into it for the money is a pipe dream. Is there financial incentive to do the daily now? He does make money off it, but he started the show because he was passionate, not because he expected to make money off of it.
As I said, I personally don't know if he ever planned on making this much. I can almost guarantee you if Starcraft 2's foreign scene was anything like BW, he wouldn't be doing his dailies for the community. He cares about the money. Is he making profit from casting, dailies, subscriptions, etc? Absolutely. If he didn't care about the money, he could dump every penny of profit back into tournaments, etc. I'm not trying to bash him, as I think essentially every single person would be doing the same thing, but people honestly thinking he's doing this strictly for the fans are just silly. I can't comment on his attitude as I don't know the guy.
Too bad for your argument that his dailies were originally BW dailies intended for foreign communities. It was different from sc2 dailies because it was high level analysis intended for long time foreign bw audiences which already have some understanding of the game and progaming. SC2 BW are more for casuals, people new to RTS , new to Starcraft , new to Professional Gaming.
Saying Day9 is in it for the money and being at the right time at the right place is stupid. Of course Day9, Artosis, Tasteless, Nazgul are/have been in a good position to profit from SC2 Boom. They have been literally in the scene for YEARS. They have stuck with it even when it wasn't profitable and when no one in their right mind ever thought of making sc2 a career. If they profit now, that's because of all the sacrifices that they have done in the past. That said, all his dailies remain free.
And just because they ask for donation doesn't mean that they are poor. That's just him trying to involve everyone who wants to donate and support Esport to do so. If you appreciate what he is doing and trust that whatever amount you are donating will be put into good cause, then do donate. Otherwise, don't.
People also criticize his AHGL of him trying to mingle with the big corporations and get paid corporate dollar. You can look at it another way as his way of getting big corporate sponsors interested in the scene. Look at what he has done with RedBull. Look at his interview with Forbes , PCGamer, all the mainstream magazines and all the mainstream exposure he has given to the community. If you want the scene to flourish like professional sports, you can't remain grassroots forever and Day9 probably knows that. So for some people it seems like he has "changed". Maybe he just realizes that he needs to grow both himself and the scene.
Day9s a business man. I dont doubt that he loves this game and eSports in general, but ya he does a lot of things to keep doing what he's doing. Ya he puts on the jolly front and all that; more power to him. A small trade off for making a living doing what you love. Day9 knows his shit, and he gets paid to talk about it. So what is there to talk about here?
'You realise he started doing dailies for BW.... He probably wouldn't invest as much time in the dailies which would've been impossible anyway since he would have had to work. And you really don't know what he's doing with the money maye he only makes 30k$ for himself and invests the rest or maybe he takes a majority of the money it's just speculating.
Errr, I wouldn't call them dailies. He did casting, but nothing like he does in SC2. He was more of a player. You're 100% correct. Very few people know what he makes. What I'm saying is there's a motivation for money from his dailies, and likely was from the start. I never claimed he anticipated it to be this big, or to even to be able to sustain a living on it, but there was a motive. I'm not trying to argue he shouldn't care about the money, or that he should dump it back into Starcraft 2, etc. I'm just arguing about the fact that he blatantly cares about money.
Err go back and watch the BW Daily's. They were't simply "casting" in any way shape or form. He talks a lot about strategy, etc.
'You realise he started doing dailies for BW.... He probably wouldn't invest as much time in the dailies which would've been impossible anyway since he would have had to work. And you really don't know what he's doing with the money maye he only makes 30k$ for himself and invests the rest or maybe he takes a majority of the money it's just speculating.
Errr, I wouldn't call them dailies. He did casting, but nothing like he does in SC2. He was more of a player. You're 100% correct. Very few people know what he makes. What I'm saying is there's a motivation for money from his dailies, and likely was from the start. I never claimed he anticipated it to be this big, or to even to be able to sustain a living on it, but there was a motive. I'm not trying to argue he shouldn't care about the money, or that he should dump it back into Starcraft 2, etc. I'm just arguing about the fact that he blatantly cares about money.
http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-1-flash-vs-hero-3515432 that's his first daily. Of course the dailies in BW aren't like the ones in sc2 he just started doing them and made changes and improvements along the way which is perfectly logical. But yea he does do it for the money but you don't know what he wants to do with that money. It's like saying someone who earns 100k$ a year and gives 60k away blatantly cares about money. Or on the other hand he might be someone who makes 100k$ and only spends 10k$ of it back in e-sports and he does do it for the money but like I already said we don't know that.
On May 24 2012 17:00 Secret05 wrote: I hate to do this because I really like day9 as a caster, but here's a video I watched a while back and it kinda shows day9's elitism personality. The part I'm talking about starts at 3:35 and shows how he kinda has an attitude and thinks he's better than everyone else.
Are you serious? Two guys show up with a camera, don't even bother to ask him if he can talk, and he's "showing elitism" by refusing to submit to their rude poorly handled probe for an interview?
There can be perfectly legitimate criticisms of the man, but this is desperate.
Well they are not just two random guys, they work for ESL as casters for other games the same as Rotterdam does for SC2, ESL being the people behind the event who have paid to fly Day9 over there. Joe is also friend of 2GD and has cast with him on many occasions so that may explain a few things.
Okay they both are employed by the same organization for the event. Does the fact that their coworkers change that its rude to walk up demanding an interview when the guy is busy?
My point stands.
If an event organizer who is employing me as a caster walks up to me with a camera i might be a bit annoyed but i would put down the game I was playing to talk to them about the event I have come to cast. A lot of people seem to turn up to IEM events not knowing who is who in Europe, something Carmac likes to use at their expense a lot.
I think it depends on the specifics. Putting down everything immediately to talk about my job performance at the tournament, my schedule for the dat, etc? Ok. If its for a to-be-public interview or shout out session I never agreed to? I'd still want five-ten minutes to finish what I was doing and a chance to put my computer down.
Maybe theres something there maybe there isnt but I would rather people like Idra and 2GD say it to my face and and they will. Also we can all be rude sometimes during a tiring day while working I know I am grumpy as hell sometimes.
I never said any criticism at all was off base(maybe theirs merit to what Idra, JP, and 2GD say etc.)- I specifically said that the specific claim that he was a complete primadonna based on that video did not follow at all. I stand by that he handled it pretty gracefully all things considered. Does that mean he's a saint or that theres not legitimate criticism that can be hurled in his direction? No, but if theirs going to be said criticism it should be good as opposed to a hack job like using that video to try to show anything.
Guess what? EVERYBODY cares about money. At least in the way you describe it. A man's gotta eat, right?
There was never monetary motivation in the beginning. It was his hobby that he was doing while going to college. He then discovered that his fans were rabid enough to donate to him. He still probably doesn't make tons of money off of a FREE show that costs tons of time, effort, volunteers, and money.
PLEASE quote where I said no one would do the same. I specifically stated, ESSENTIALLY EVERYONE, would do the same. I'm not arguing a thing about if he's a good or bad person, I'm arguing about how people could be silly enough to think there is no monetary motivation behind his dailies.
The bolded part of Xeris point was to show that money is not the motivator for him going to events cast, even if he gets paid to do so it is a bonus.
I am arguing that it is silly to think that there IS monetary motivation behind his dailies. I even went so far as to call it a "pipe dream". I could have been extremely rude and just said "Really? Are you fucking high?"
3 years ago streaming was NOT a big thing. Monetizing esports content had NOT been figured out. To think that he started the daily because of monetary motivation is beyond silly. It's backward and stunted thinking.
To be honest, if anyone is in e-sports to make a quick buck, they are doing it wrong. Do what all the smart brood war pros did and switch to poker. Or just get a degree in engineering or something.
I hate when people try and earn a living, everything should be done out of the goodness of your heart and no-one should care about making money. Clearly if you are making money off something you're selfish and don't deserve to be a part of this community. That's why I'm a student instead of working for a living, cause I'm not a scumbag like Day9. Shame on you Sean Plott.
Too bad for your argument that his dailies were originally BW dailies intended for foreign communities.
Saying Day9 is in it for the money and being at the right time at the right place is stupid. Of course Day9,Artosis,Tasteless,Nazgul are/have been in a good position to profit from SC2 Boom. They have been literally in the scene for YEARS. They have stuck with it even when it wasn't profitable and when no one in their right mind ever thought of making sc2 a career. If they profit now, that's because of all the sacrifices that they have done in the past. That said, all his dailies remain free.
And just because they ask for donation doesn't mean that they are poor. That's just him trying to involve everyone who wants to donate and support Esport to do so. If you appreciate what he is doing and trust that whatever amount you are donating will be put into good cause, then do donate. Otherwise, don't.
People also criticize his AHGL of him trying to mingle with the big corporations and get paid corporate dollar. You can look at it another way as his way of getting big corporate sponsors interested in the scene. Look at what he has done with RedBull. Look at his interview with Forbes , PCGamer, all the mainstream magazines and all the mainstream exposure he has given to the community. If you want the scene to flourish like professional sports, you can't remain grassroots forever and Day9 probably knows that. So for some people it seems like he has "changed". Maybe he just realizes that he needs to grow both himself and the scene.
Please link me to any casts of his that are anything like his current dailies. He casted Broodwar, he played Broodwar, he enjoyed it. He enjoys SC2 too. Nazgul, Artosis, etc all played the Broodwar because they enjoyed it. There's nothing wrong with it. I have no idea if they ever expected SC2 to be as big in the foreign scene as it is. I never once mentioned anything about Day9 anticipating people would start donating him money. What I'm saying is Day9 likely had monetary motivation with his Dailies.
Legit well written threads on aspects of the game get shut down because of apparent balance discussion (what's wrong with discussing balance?). But threads where a contributor to the community is repeatedly attacked and slandered for things they may or may not have done (things that are not even immoral let alone illegal) are allowed to multiply posts to the thousands.
Who benefits from the hate threads on TL? Only people get hurt. Shut it down mods.
I've discovered a pattern a long time ago, one that dictates that if you're running an esports-related business and your name isn't Victor, I will probably end up disliking you at some point. So there's that.
However, regarding Sean's apparent behaviour at events, I'd cut him some (a lot of) slack. The truth is, fans are annoying as hell, and fans who line up or follow people around to take pictures and autographs are the worst. Seriously, that has to be the cheapest, most primitive, and ugly form of expressing "fandom" that it made me cringe every time I've seen it. You guys are so obsessed about turning players and casters into some sort of media superstars. Is it so surprising that some of them have finally started acting the part?
There's nothing wrong with Sean. He just adapted to the inevitable shift from the "best community in the world" environment to the environment where he's the brand, and you are the consumers.
Have fun.
On May 24 2012 18:02 algorithm0r wrote: But threads where a contributor to the community is repeatedly attacked and slandered for things they may or may not have done (things that are not even immoral let alone illegal) are allowed to multiply posts to the thousands.
The term "contributor to the community" used to refer to people who didn't do it for money.
The term is for the most part outdated today (even though there are a few volunteers that still do an amazing job).
Personally, I dont like his casting style, it's extremely fake and sarcastic. (Day9 has said before that there's a "Sean" and a "Day9" persona) How much he makes is irrelevant, he can make as much money as he wants as long as they were legally earned. In terms of his skill in SC2, not really important, casters dont need to be good as long as they understand theories and are coherent. I dont know him personally so i can't talk in terms of IRL, but from what i've read, most social encounters seem positive, whether he puts a different front or not, can be your own judgement.
Isn't it about time people stop making others bigger than they are? Are some actually that bored of the game that they put so much focus on everything around it? Acting like casters are some kind of big shots to be questioned at their every move. The so called spotlight is you who blow shit so much out of proportion till you yourself believe it to be true.
No matter the money behind it. Sean is still the guy in his living room talking about a game. No matter what Tastosis wear they are still nerds casting a game. This all could be over in a matter of years, why don't you all enjoy it for what it is and just stay away from the stuff that doesn't appeal to you. I see no one hating on Desperate Housewives because he hates the show. Because it's a lost cost. No one gains anything from it. Why so narrow minded? What good does it do to you?
Take a step away from it because your hate seriously needs to stop. This should be about the game and the players playing it. If Sean would stop today I couldn't care less. Just like Boxer when he stopped BW. Yes he's iconic but that shouldn't be the god damn reason you stick to Starcraft.
If you're here for the drama train just pack your stuff and piss off and let the community be.
Please, plase, please, close this thread! What is it with this community that there needs to be a weekly drama. All this negativity in people is mind boggling. Day[9] is not a 1-dimensional character that you can pin certain behavior on. Like all of us, he will have his ups, downs, he might get stressed out and not respond well at some point. All of this is not important though!
Just ask yourself one question. Is having Day[9] in the SC2 scene a good thing? If you answer this question with no, then there is something seriously wrong with you. He gives us loads of content, tournaments, and brings new people to the scene, and at this point he is possibly even bringing new companies and sponsors into the scene, and for most of us he is a positive person to watch, regardless of how much of it is an act.
Not that I know the stress that casters are put under, but if I'd been casting for 8-10 hours straight, I would want a little space and privacy. Thousands upon thousands of people consider Day[9] the Messiah of Starcraft, and I imagine it would be very hard to keep everyone happy.
Now I'm not defending what Day[9] did, but I think it is selfish and uninformed to suggest that it was a personal insult. I think that Richard Lewis is majorly overreacting to the situation and not taking the right steps to solve it. Contacting him directly and resolving the issue is more efficient than whining about it on some shitty forum. He claims he can resolve issues civilly -
Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them.
http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-1-flash-vs-hero-3515432 that's his first daily. Of course the dailies in BW aren't like the ones in sc2 he just started doing them and made changes and improvements along the way which is perfectly logical. But yea he does do it for the money but you don't know what he wants to do with that money. It's like saying someone who earns 100k$ a year and gives 60k away blatantly cares about money. Or on the other hand he might be someone who makes 100k$ and only spends 10k$ of it back in e-sports and he does do it for the money but like I already said we don't know that.
That's exactly what I'm getting at. I'm sure he enjoys the game. I'm sure he enjoys casting, doing dailies, etc, but I can guarantee if the foreign scene was stagnate, he wouldn't be doing what he is right now. There's money involved that's keeping him this active with the community. It's fine with me. Just to claim there isn't a monetary motivation is silly.
The topic of this thread makes me sad. I'm not even sure there should be any reason for me to give my opinion on his personal finances and life so all I'll say is: ♥ Day[9]
In all seriousness though, this thread, and these kinds of threads aren't really useful to anyone. Day[9] publicly states he doesn't read forums anymore, most especially threads about himself, but even if he did, there's nothing constructive here. The takeaway is "don't be a dick", which is a pretty universal message.
I mean, if you want to criticize day[9] for something of substance, I think that's legitimate. I consider myself a day[9] fan but I don't really watch the daily anymore because it seems to be less and less about strategy/breaking down games and more and more monobattles o_O
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
I don't know if it is true that you are a psychologist, but if so you are giving us a bad name. You don't get to just throw analysis around and claim that is founded in any expertise. People are right to call yo out on stuff like that.
There are many things wrong with your "analysis" but I'll keep it simple.
You can't just claim someone pathological with the same ease as other would claim they were normal. The burden of evidence lies with you as you are the one making the extreme case.
You base a so-called legit analysis on impressions you got from show videos and second hand knowledge. Context, context..
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but don't come here and say that you have evidence or expertise. If you have, you certainly haven't put it to use in this case. You ridicule psychology.
it would interest me as to how much sc2/BW the people complaining about day9 have seen, i would bet they have watched 5 dailys or something and thats it, while the people like myself who have watched every daily since #1 and every tournament he has casted since day 1 of his casting career and cheered him on at during his BW career as a player etc are defending him
I didn't quite get the point of the post... you say you don't know anything yet your prepared to defend a guy because you like his product. It's simple if you don't want to hear how your nike shoes are exploiting children in Asian sweat shops then put your fingers in your ears and go 'yayayayayaya' however it doesn't change the fact that it happens and the community has a right to know.
These people bringing this information to us own businesses too and are in a much better position than you'll ever be to provide an opinion of the behind the scene's view, you on the other hand admit you know nothing and don't want to hear anything like wtf get out the way and stop blocking the TV
Too bad for your argument that his dailies were originally BW dailies intended for foreign communities.
Saying Day9 is in it for the money and being at the right time at the right place is stupid. Of course Day9,Artosis,Tasteless,Nazgul are/have been in a good position to profit from SC2 Boom. They have been literally in the scene for YEARS. They have stuck with it even when it wasn't profitable and when no one in their right mind ever thought of making sc2 a career. If they profit now, that's because of all the sacrifices that they have done in the past. That said, all his dailies remain free.
And just because they ask for donation doesn't mean that they are poor. That's just him trying to involve everyone who wants to donate and support Esport to do so. If you appreciate what he is doing and trust that whatever amount you are donating will be put into good cause, then do donate. Otherwise, don't.
People also criticize his AHGL of him trying to mingle with the big corporations and get paid corporate dollar. You can look at it another way as his way of getting big corporate sponsors interested in the scene. Look at what he has done with RedBull. Look at his interview with Forbes , PCGamer, all the mainstream magazines and all the mainstream exposure he has given to the community. If you want the scene to flourish like professional sports, you can't remain grassroots forever and Day9 probably knows that. So for some people it seems like he has "changed". Maybe he just realizes that he needs to grow both himself and the scene.
Please link me to any casts of his that are anything like his current dailies. He casted Broodwar, he played Broodwar, he enjoyed it. He enjoys SC2 too. Nazgul, Artosis, etc all played the Broodwar because they enjoyed it. There's nothing wrong with it. I have no idea if they ever expected SC2 to be as big in the foreign scene as it is. I never once mentioned anything about Day9 anticipating people would start donating him money. What I'm saying is Day9 likely had monetary motivation with his Dailies.
Pshhh, wanting to make money from his passion. He's no different from all those scum bag doctors, engineers, actors and scientists! Phonies every last one!
On May 24 2012 17:20 Cel.erity wrote: Frankly, as someone who suffers from a bit of it myself, I could immediately tell from watching Day9's videos that he suffers from a good deal of narcissism. I am not sure how he manages to convince people that he's a down-to-earth guy; he loves attention, he loves games, and my guess is that's about it. His interpersonal skills likely extend no further than exhibiting the image he wants people to see, and being extremely good at it. However, for such a person, it's challenging to keep that facade up all the time. It taxes you, makes you bitter.
I don't have anything against Day9, he puts a ton of work in, and he's in the spotlight all the time. Just remember though, he chose this. He started making dailies when nobody was watching because he wanted to believe that he is important, and the game he's playing is important. It was all about him. Now, he's in a world where he has to react to hundreds of thousands of other people and pretend he cares about their opinions.
Oh cool, so you know him personally and have access to psych records then?
Seriously, loads of pseudo intellectual bullshit posts like this in here. Good job calling this one out.
Sorry, but you're no more qualified to say that he's a gentle, down-to-earth guy than I am to say otherwise. But sure, go ahead and try to debunk my legitimate analysis based on life experience and ten years in psychology without any sort of counter-evidence. In that case, this entire thread may as well not exist, since the OP's opinion that Day9 is a saint are no more realistic than my opinion that he isn't.
I don't know if it is true that you are a psychologist, but if so you are giving us a bad name. You don't get to just throw analysis around and claim that is founded in any expertise. People are right to call yo out on stuff like that.
There are many things wrong with your "analysis" but I'll keep it simple.
You can't just claim someone pathological with the same ease as other would claim they were normal. The burden of evidence lies with you as you are the one making the extreme case.
You base a so-called legit analysis on impressions you got from show videos and second hand knowledge. Context, context..
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but don't come here and say that you have evidence or expertise. If you have, you certainly haven't put it to use in this case. You ridicule psychology.
If he's a psychologist I'm the king of the world. Though I suppose you could interpet his statement that he's been seeing a psychologist for 10 years (more in line with the quality of his posts) and that somehow makes him qualified...
I'm sure "Sean" the every day dude is/can be rough around the edges, and more human than he wants his "Day9" personality to be. Unfortunately, the gap between the two makes people wonder, but it's not the worst that could happen. The only thing I ever thought was a bit weird was him asking for donations. It's up to everyone how much they want to engage with his content, and only slightly unfortunate for those who can't avoid him when he casts major events.
Too bad for your argument that his dailies were originally BW dailies intended for foreign communities.
Saying Day9 is in it for the money and being at the right time at the right place is stupid. Of course Day9,Artosis,Tasteless,Nazgul are/have been in a good position to profit from SC2 Boom. They have been literally in the scene for YEARS. They have stuck with it even when it wasn't profitable and when no one in their right mind ever thought of making sc2 a career. If they profit now, that's because of all the sacrifices that they have done in the past. That said, all his dailies remain free.
And just because they ask for donation doesn't mean that they are poor. That's just him trying to involve everyone who wants to donate and support Esport to do so. If you appreciate what he is doing and trust that whatever amount you are donating will be put into good cause, then do donate. Otherwise, don't.
People also criticize his AHGL of him trying to mingle with the big corporations and get paid corporate dollar. You can look at it another way as his way of getting big corporate sponsors interested in the scene. Look at what he has done with RedBull. Look at his interview with Forbes , PCGamer, all the mainstream magazines and all the mainstream exposure he has given to the community. If you want the scene to flourish like professional sports, you can't remain grassroots forever and Day9 probably knows that. So for some people it seems like he has "changed". Maybe he just realizes that he needs to grow both himself and the scene.
Please link me to any casts of his that are anything like his current dailies. He casted Broodwar, he played Broodwar, he enjoyed it. He enjoys SC2 too. Nazgul, Artosis, etc all played the Broodwar because they enjoyed it. There's nothing wrong with it. I have no idea if they ever expected SC2 to be as big in the foreign scene as it is. I never once mentioned anything about Day9 anticipating people would start donating him money. What I'm saying is Day9 likely had monetary motivation with his Dailies.
Eh, if he had monetary motivations he's done a horrible job at exploiting it... He's got ample of opportunity to use his fame and followers to get more money but have chose not to. Of course money is a factor but to say it's the motivator seems quite the opposite to the facts that we have.
On May 24 2012 18:28 RogerChillingworth wrote: I'm sure "Sean" the every day dude is/can be rough around the edges, and more human than he wants his "Day9" personality to be. Unfortunately, the gap between the two makes people wonder, but it's not the worst that could happen. The only thing I ever thought was a bit weird was him asking for donations. It's up to everyone how much they want to engage with his content, and only slightly unfortunate for those who can't avoid him when he casts major events.
How is it weird to ask for donations? He's been doing sc2 full time + school. It's not exactly the most lucrative thing you can do.
Oh gee, a vocal part of the starcraft community is hating on someone who has done nothing but promote and help build the starcraft community into what it is today.
Absolutely standard.
What a fucking joke. We deserve to have this all burn down around us.
Just care about the game and stay on TL, and this will almost never be an issue. Usually the first time I hear about drama like this is with threads like this one.
On May 24 2012 18:13 Cybren wrote: In all seriousness though, this thread, and these kinds of threads aren't really useful to anyone. Day[9] publicly states he doesn't read forums anymore, most especially threads about himself, but even if he did, there's nothing constructive here. The takeaway is "don't be a dick", which is a pretty universal message.
But it may also be an universal problem that celebrities (and rulers) often become and remain dicks because they are constantly surrounded by sucker-ups and therefore never hear that important message. I won't accuse Day9 of anything though because I don't know any specifics about what he has or hasn't done. People shouldn't be judged based on rumors. I do think that many people's adoration for him is weirdly over the top, but that's their problem rather than Day9's.
I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
On May 24 2012 18:04 TAMinator wrote: Personally, I dont like his casting style, it's extremely fake and sarcastic. (Day9 has said before that there's a "Sean" and a "Day9" persona)
Of course there is. Do you think any talk show host always behaves like that?
Hell, I behave differently around different people. When I'm trying to woo a girl, I'm sure as hell going to act differently then when I'm talking to my parents or dicking around with my friends. I can go from being the nerdiest goofball to mature in less then one second if necessary and everyone does this.
Thinking that a person is identical in a private setting and in a setting as public as streaming for thousands or ten thousands of people is dumb beyond belief.
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
On May 24 2012 18:36 zatic wrote: Just care about the game and stay on TL, and this will almost never be an issue. Usually the first time I hear about drama like this is with threads like this one.
we can hide spoilers on the mainpage, now we need a "hide drama" box <.<
It's really hard to hate someone you don't even know... But personaly I really do not like his casting, and I enjoy what his brother is doing far more. Day9 for me is too loud, seems to be egocentric (not saying he is so, but when he casts I have that feeling), he's not funny, and I do hate his squeak:p
BUT, at the end I'm sure he's good person, and for sure it's worth to have friend like that. Just please don't cast anything that I want to watch
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
You probably are one of those who email the sponsors when Destiny and Orb say something bad on stream.Poor you.i feel sorry for you.People like you are the death of sc2 as the number one esport.
On May 24 2012 18:36 zatic wrote: Just care about the game and stay on TL, and this will almost never be an issue. Usually the first time I hear about drama like this is with threads like this one.
we can hide spoilers on the mainpage, now we need a "hide drama" box <.<
FWIW, most of this stuff doesn't spill over to TL. I think this particular drama is actually already off the r/starcraft frontpage. It's not really clear why this needed a thread here.
On May 24 2012 17:36 R3DT1D3 wrote: Even so, being good enough to make what would likely be Masters in the current ladder with all three races is nothing to sneeze at.
Where is the proof that he is masters? in fact where is the proof that he plays any sc2 at all?
Thats one of the big reasons people think he is a fake. No one has seen him playing the game he claims to love and makes loads of money off of.
Usually dont respond to threads like this one, and I havnt read everything so this might aswell been said in many different ways already; but people who harp on Day9 because he asks for donations are fucking... stupid. Seriously fucking DUMB imho.
Obviously I can't see every little thing that goes on behind the scenes when it comes to his finances, but he was never really ASKING for donations, and merely put that out there for people that actually WANTED to provide him with support to do it and get a little something out of it. Regardless of how much he actually makes out of this, and how little he needs it, it still gives the people that feel that they want to show appreciation for his product a way to do that and it's COMPLETELY out of free will.
Cynical morons will always downplay anything anyone does that in the end could be of personal interest, but they dont fucking understand one simple fact: You can't put out good products unless you belive in them and feel good about them. That means that you need to be focusing on yourself and give yourself what you need to be able to produce (whatever the fuck it is, in every line of work) - those people will create the best content or do the best work because they are enjoying what they're doing. The people who take part, or use that content should be fucking thrilled that the person feels good about it, because else it would just disappear. Talking in general here, so that'd go for anyone really...
Regarding his persona, and whatever claim that he's phoney I dont care much for and take with a grain of salt. People who are extremly public will always falter at times and Day9 is without fail the biggest personality in the industry, so it's only natural.
Reading the article linked by Plexa makes me smile. It's funny how butthurt someone can be, lol.
On May 24 2012 17:36 R3DT1D3 wrote: Even so, being good enough to make what would likely be Masters in the current ladder with all three races is nothing to sneeze at.
Where is the proof that he is masters? in fact where is the proof that he plays any sc2 at all?
Thats one of the big reasons people think he is a fake. No one has seen him playing the game he claims to love and makes loads of money off of.
Because he gets master level knowledge by asking his chat right?
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
You probably are one of those who email the sponsors when Destiny and Orb say something bad on stream.Poor you.i feel sorry for you.People like you are the death of sc2 as the number one esport.
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
You think hes boring, fine. But keep all this corporatist/hipster crap away plz, lol. Day9 was in starcraft long before it was "mainstream"
Day9 could have made much more money doing something else, if he really cared about only money. Instead he chose his passion as a means to make some money to live off.
Working those 100 hr weeks, I seriously doubt he even has much time to read these ridiculous posts.
Ye, he asks for donations because he provides a free stream & entertainment. No one is forcing you to watch the dailies or pay 5 dollars for subscriptions. For people saying he is oh so politically correct, watch his Amnesia series on youtube and tell me that he is oh do politically correct, or maybe it's just a guy who loves games and loves streaming them? Does it mean he is a little vain, mm prolly :D But hey, throwing stones in a glass house...
Day9 Plays Amnesia, abridged version: NONO seriously watch this!! You won't regret!
I believe Day9 is a persona, a facade. Is that fake? Well, everyone has to have a certain type of facade to be in this world and to have certain jobs or images. He entertains and analyses so of course what he is like on the dailies is nothing like he is in real life. How do I know this? Common sense...Try making a commentary on youtube on a game (I have tried this) and you'll see that a different side of you comes out (if you're any good that is, unless you're a "natural"hehe).
I hope Day9, makes even more money than he does now and for all the shittalkers and naysayers, well...Here's a smiley for you: :-) and a youtube video (yay!)
On May 24 2012 18:47 Kyuki wrote: People who are extremly public will always falter at times and Day9 is without fail the biggest personality in the industry, so it's only natural.
Dude what planet are you living on?day9 the biggest personality in the industry?What industry?he is a successfull caster,I give him that but there are tons of personalitites that keep sc2 alive for fans.MKP,Violet,Idra,naniwa,Incontrol,MC,MMA,Nestea and virtually every single progamer out there is more known than day9.When I watch a tournament I watch it because I want to see MKP vs DRG or Squirtle or MVp not some caster.
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
You probably are one of those who email the sponsors when Destiny and Orb say something bad on stream.Poor you.i feel sorry for you.People like you are the death of sc2 as the number one esport.
Actually I take the time to purchase AND email companies that support esports while building my current PC. I don't give a damn about orb and Destiny's actions, I find neither situation contentious, both were simply bad moves for people in their positions.
The post you just spewed is the exact flavour of excrement I hate seeing: unsubstantiated personal attacks on people doing unequivocal good in the community. You are acting as the fuel that burns the bullshit drama wildfire.
Now personally, I don't watch day9. I don't go out of my way to see his casts these days. But Daily #100 and Day9s earlier sc2 dailies were a major reason why I got into the game/scene and this is something which I'm sure many people coming from a non-BW background can attest to.
If you don't like the dude, then just say you don't like him. Why must you go about a full character assassination on little to no evidence?
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
You probably are one of those who email the sponsors when Destiny and Orb say something bad on stream.Poor you.i feel sorry for you.People like you are the death of sc2 as the number one esport.
Actually I take the time to purchase AND email companies that support esports while building my current PC. I don't give a damn about orb and Destiny's actions, I find neither situation contentious, both were simply bad moves for people in their positions.
The post you just spewed is the exact flavour of excrement I hate seeing: unsubstantiated personal attacks on people doing unequivocal good in the community. You are acting as the fuel that burns the bullshit drama wildfire.
Now personally, I don't watch day9. I don't go out of my way to see his casts these days. But Daily #100 and Day9s earlier sc2 dailies were a major reason why I got into the game/scene and this is something which I'm sure many people coming from a non-BW background can attest to.
If you don't like the dude, then just say you don't like him. Why must you go about a full character assassination on little to no evidence?
Glad the information is coming out - no opinion on the matter yet. I think since this is Day9 related, the witch-hunt/conspiracy/mob mentality thing won't pop up (yet) - which actually proves the OP's point on how Day9 is too big of a figure in the community.
I just wish the OP was more well written. Seriously. it looks like the Riddler did some editing on it, nothing but question marks all over the place.
... Really TL? I generally lurk on TL, but the amount of pseudo personality identifying bullshit from many of the posters, your asking him to stop taking donations? Donations? and then what? push himself off of the scene? end the Day[9] Daily? Kill himself? You're the idiots who are going to kill the SC2 scene...
If he made his Video's pay per view then i might understand, but can't a man have some privacy? He genuinely seems like a nice guy from what people are saying, I've never met him, i would like to some day though, And he spends an hour a day to give back to the community. Every time one of you angry posters posts on this thread, I remember why i don't go to reddit anymore...
On May 24 2012 17:36 R3DT1D3 wrote: Even so, being good enough to make what would likely be Masters in the current ladder with all three races is nothing to sneeze at.
Where is the proof that he is masters? in fact where is the proof that he plays any sc2 at all?
Thats one of the big reasons people think he is a fake. No one has seen him playing the game he claims to love and makes loads of money off of.
Maybe he gave his heart and soul playing BW for as many years as he did and just wants to transition into the caster/personality role. He's nearly 26, I think finding ways to make a few bucks is by no means an unreasonable aim.
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
You probably are one of those who email the sponsors when Destiny and Orb say something bad on stream.Poor you.i feel sorry for you.People like you are the death of sc2 as the number one esport.
Actually I take the time to purchase AND email companies that support esports while building my current PC.
They don't support esports, they buy advertising space for themselves.
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole. Simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
Can people stop questioning Day9's passion/sense of caring for SC2 and the scene? The guy has literally put out days upon days worth of great content. So many people owe their immersion into "competitive" sc2 to Day9 and his videos, I know I do as well as many of my friends. Like almost all the other big names in SC2 right now, he put in tons of hours (Day9 maybe moreso than anyone else) of his own time, while going to school to put out educational content for no salary or guaranteed pay. Please use your brains, and get off this man's back.
How he is offscreen? I don't know - and I don't care. It's not anything I experience and everything I've seen has been good. The only caster I prefer over Day9 is Artosis (personal preferences, I guess).
No hate, however - I think people have every right to dislike him. Especially if they've met him. But there's no reason to strut around spreading hate
Edit: His personal finances shouldn't matter to us... at all... The only thing I dislike is the difference between him analysing games and him going play-by-play style. While he is play-by-play he has a very unique way of talking. When he says "...and X-player holds..." or "...and X-player stabilizes..." is somewhat annoying. Again... Personal preferences - and as mentioned. He's still one of my favourite casters
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
You probably are one of those who email the sponsors when Destiny and Orb say something bad on stream.Poor you.i feel sorry for you.People like you are the death of sc2 as the number one esport.
Actually I take the time to purchase AND email companies that support esports while building my current PC.
They don't support esports, they buy advertising space for themselves.
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
You probably are one of those who email the sponsors when Destiny and Orb say something bad on stream.Poor you.i feel sorry for you.People like you are the death of sc2 as the number one esport.
Actually I take the time to purchase AND email companies that support esports while building my current PC.
They don't support esports, they buy advertising space for themselves.
Looks like it's working out well for them too.
You've gotta be kidding me.
That's the god damn trade off. Unless you've know some people who're gonna finance the scene out of charity then this is the way it'll be. Maybe for every $100 we give to these companies they'll slot 10 cents into an esports endeavor. Not only do I get a product that I would have purchased regardless, I get the satisfaction that maybe, just maybe, I'm aiding something I support and enjoy on a daily basis.
I don't have a fucking clue how to make a processor, but if I can buy one that helps starcraft, well, I dig that.
On May 24 2012 18:47 Kyuki wrote: People who are extremly public will always falter at times and Day9 is without fail the biggest personality in the industry, so it's only natural.
Dude what planet are you living on?day9 the biggest personality in the industry?What industry?he is a successfull caster,I give him that but there are tons of personalitites that keep sc2 alive for fans.MKP,Violet,Idra,naniwa,Incontrol,MC,MMA,Nestea and virtually every single progamer out there is more known than day9.When I watch a tournament I watch it because I want to see MKP vs DRG or Squirtle or MVp not some caster.
Dude, what world are YOU living in. Learn to read, I never said there were no other personality that helps this industry, because they're all joint, but Day9 has done alot of things for this community and by doing that he's also gained alot of fame not only inside the community but outside of it promoting e-sports and SC2. I can almost promise you that more people know about Day9 than any of the names you put out there, especially the players (sadly).
Why do I even respond to your post, seems to me you just wanted to say that there are other people in the industry that does alot of good (which was never up for discussion, because it's pretty damn obvious and not related to this topic).
I analyzed a few of his casts and heard some a couple stories from some random people and I can totally tell Day9 is an arrogant, narcissistic, opportunistic, fake, greedy bastard. And you he was just lucky because he was in the right place at the right time. That opportunistic, corporate hack. (played Starcraft since 98? ...Nah.) Who is this guy? And what's he doing in our community?
The OP had good intentions, but the fact that people that have actually worked with Day9 confirm that he's the real thing stands in firm contrast to people's over analysis of bits and pieces of video clips and random interactions. Can you actually determine narcissism without interacting with the guy?
I wonder how many that complain about the changes from the early days actually watched it live because there weren't very many of us when we were reaching those first bench marks and being rewarded with thug snaps and Overlord sounds. In this thread I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
On May 24 2012 18:40 parduebob11 wrote: I don`t personally know why this dude day9 is so popular.I tried watching a couple of his shows and he appeared without any doubt the most boring/politcally correct/uninterresting caster out of them all.Seriously is hard to find someone more boring than Day9 in the gaming community.Incontrol would stand a good chance but due to the controversies with Idra,CombatEx and other simmilar stuff+his girlfriend he has become more interesting.Honestly,Day9 does not have any clue of the game,he doesn`t do anything interesting,and he is simply boring.Watching him is like watching a corporatist speaking about a subject he has no connection to.I would rather watch a Orb/Destiny/Incontrol/Grubby cast rather than Day9.Even MC with his bad English is more entertaining than Day9. About the his behind the scenes behavior,I have heard many rumors of semi-progamers or casters who think they`re Justin Bieber and when somebody ask for an autograph they go on primadonna stance.The main question here is why would anyone want to talk to Day9.he is boring as hell,fake beyond recognition,and he gives automatic politically correct answers.I have seen some tournaments casted by Day9(including the recent one when he was in the parking lot).he seems totally out of place,not collaborating with his co caster and overall a very boring guy.I`ve seen some of his Daylis have like 10k viewers but the real question here is:does anyone actually watch them or they just leaving the stream open for the purpose of helping him because honestly they are boring as hell. day9 is basicly the embodiment of extreme corporatism brought into the gaming community which once was a liberal,free for all,hipster type of thing.unfortunatelly due to some 20 or 30 viewers who think they represent the community when in fact they are just a small minority people like Destiny/Orb get sidelined while boring corporatist Day9 set the trend for the next generation of succesfull casters.even the koreans are not that strict or politically correct.The model is successfull applied by gretorp,Rotterdam,Khaldor,CatzPijamas,Appolo etc.No wonder Lol is taking over.I for one have a hard time falling asleep when one of these politically corect casters start talking.Even the classic Tastosis duo has more life and entertainment in them than the present day casters.
Oh god reddit is overflowing again.
You probably are one of those who email the sponsors when Destiny and Orb say something bad on stream.Poor you.i feel sorry for you.People like you are the death of sc2 as the number one esport.
Actually I take the time to purchase AND email companies that support esports while building my current PC. I don't give a damn about orb and Destiny's actions, I find neither situation contentious, both were simply bad moves for people in their positions.
Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
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The post you just spewed is the exact flavour of excrement I hate seeing: unsubstantiated personal attacks on people doing unequivocal good in the community. You are acting as the fuel that burns the bullshit drama wildfire. [/QUOTE]
I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community. [/QUOTE] Now personally, I don't watch day9. I don't go out of my way to see his casts these days. But Daily #100 and Day9s earlier sc2 dailies were a major reason why I got into the game/scene and this is something which I'm sure many people coming from a non-BW background can attest to.
If you don't like the dude, then just say you don't like him. Why must you go about a full character assassination on little to no evidence? [/QUOTE]
You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?
On May 24 2012 19:06 Falling wrote: I analyzed a few of his casts and heard some a couple stories from some random people and I can totally tell Day9 is an arrogant, narcissistic, opportunistic, fake, greedy bastard. And you he was just lucky because he was in the right place at the right time. That opportunistic, corporate hack. (played Starcraft since 98? ...Nah.) Who is this guy? And what's he doing in our community?
At first when I read this I didn't catch the sarcasm... Was thinking "Wow, this from a TL mod... dayamn"... Then I caught on (^_^) I'm an idiot
many viewers of day9daily would feel cheated if that were true. not necessarily b/c day9's advice is bad, but b/c he's using a false status to elevate the legitimacy of his teachings.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
On May 24 2012 17:36 R3DT1D3 wrote: Even so, being good enough to make what would likely be Masters in the current ladder with all three races is nothing to sneeze at.
Where is the proof that he is masters? in fact where is the proof that he plays any sc2 at all?
Thats one of the big reasons people think he is a fake. No one has seen him playing the game he claims to love and makes loads of money off of.
Because he gets master level knowledge by asking his chat right?
Master level knowledge judged by who?
He thinks seeker missiles are "stupidly good" and likes to talk about mech use in TvP. That sounds more like gold level talk to me.
No one has ever seen him play sc2 competitively. No one. His claim that he has had 3 gm accounts seem very hollow if not an outright lie.
On May 24 2012 18:47 Kyuki wrote: People who are extremly public will always falter at times and Day9 is without fail the biggest personality in the industry, so it's only natural.
Dude what planet are you living on?day9 the biggest personality in the industry?What industry?he is a successfull caster,I give him that but there are tons of personalitites that keep sc2 alive for fans.MKP,Violet,Idra,naniwa,Incontrol,MC,MMA,Nestea and virtually every single progamer out there is more known than day9.When I watch a tournament I watch it because I want to see MKP vs DRG or Squirtle or MVp not some caster.
Dude, what world are YOU living in. Learn to read, I never said there were no other personality that helps this industry, because they're all joint, but Day9 has done alot of things for this community and by doing that he's also gained alot of fame not only inside the community but outside of it promoting e-sports and SC2. I can almost promise you that more people know about Day9 than any of the names you put out there, especially the players (sadly).
Why do I even respond to your post, seems to me you just wanted to say that there are other people in the industry that does alot of good (which was never up for discussion, because it's pretty damn obvious and not related to this topic).
Reread your initial post man.You specified Day9 is the most wellknown perosnality in the sc2 industry.Which is completly fake and stupid.All major progamers are more wellknown than day9.The fact that Day9 does good for the community I give him that-he is a grinder and works dayly to put that analysis of his on youtube.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
On May 24 2012 19:06 Falling wrote: I analyzed a few of his casts and heard some a couple stories from some random people and I can totally tell Day9 is an arrogant, narcissistic, opportunistic, fake, greedy bastard. And you he was just lucky because he was in the right place at the right time. That opportunistic, corporate hack. (played Starcraft since 98? ...Nah.) Who is this guy? And what's he doing in our community?
At first when I read this I didn't catch the sarcasm... Was thinking "Wow, this from a TL mod... dayamn"... Then I caught on (^_^) I'm an idiot
I almost fall for that but still - the only opinion that matters is from people who actually spend some time with him - there's no doubt 'internet analysts' have absolutely no grasp on facts. Is Day9 making money from what he's doing? Fine with me - if I'll ever want to support him with my money, then I'll try to check what can he do with them. Even if all casts, shows and dailies are made for money - they're still providing quality content.
It is below the subscription link and it is for people who are already subscribing to give even more. Thats why is says "offer additional support" Anyone who does it is not doing it for monobattles.
If the people do give him money just because they enjoy the content day9 has no reason to say
"The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV."
If his business is not losing money this is a very misleading sentence. Thats what I don't like it is misleading your most loyal fans to get more money that they would not give if they had more correct information.
The show is free, but the show also costs money to make. It's not misleading.
f you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports,
He does not say the donation is to thank him for enjoying his content.
It's implied. It's also to thank him for his contributions to esports as a whole and not just the show. He also thanks you back for donating by playing monobattles with you, and putting extra donations back into esports to bring awesome tournaments or lans, such as the AHGL.
Would he quit esports all together without donations? I doubt it so I also find this misleading.
Do you think he was getting subscribers and donations when he started the daily in the first place? No, he was not. He's obviously doing the show because he WANTS to do the show.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
The statements are only misleading when you purposefully misinterpret them.
I dunno I still feel like the vast majority of people with no other info who read
subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV
would think donations are necessary to prevent him from losing money so they would be encouraged to do that. There aren't many ways to interpret revenue<cost.
Thus making it misleading if he in fact does the opposite and makes lots of money the whole time because revenue>cost. He said Day[9]TV so it is his entire business not just the daily and people in the industry seem to imply it is super profitable but if I'm wrong and day9 does not make any money after costs I'm sorry.
He also thanks you back for donating by playing monobattles with you,
no I just said this he thanks subscribers with monobattles not donators. Go the the page they are separate and I have no problem with the subscriber part just the donator part.
But if I'm mistaken and misinterpreted it then I'm sorry. I still think that donation paragraph is bad but I'll still be enjoying him cast the battlegrounds anyways
On May 24 2012 17:36 R3DT1D3 wrote: Even so, being good enough to make what would likely be Masters in the current ladder with all three races is nothing to sneeze at.
Where is the proof that he is masters? in fact where is the proof that he plays any sc2 at all?
Thats one of the big reasons people think he is a fake. No one has seen him playing the game he claims to love and makes loads of money off of.
Because he gets master level knowledge by asking his chat right?
Master level knowledge judged by who?
He thinks seeker missiles are "stupidly good" and likes to talk about mech use in TvP. That sounds more like gold level talk to me.
No one has ever seen him play sc2 competitively. No one. His claim that he has had 3 gm accounts seem very hollow if not an outright lie.
The winner of WCG America in BW who beat Artosis, IdrA, Incontrol, is gold in SC2. I like your 30 post logic buddy.
I think the whole problem is related to SC2 fans being largely a group of late teens/college age guys. Among whom a large proportion are liberals. Now not to make it political but social ideologies generally have a lot of envy associated, anti-profit, egalitarian ideas that are against personal financial success. I think a lot of people would do well to reconsider their world view and maybe try to be less hostile against people trying to make riches.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
Being liberal has nothing to do with it, while being predominantly teenagers steeped in stupid reddit/4chan cynicism and mind-numbing meme shit has everything to do with it.
On May 24 2012 19:17 coolcor wrote: Thus making it misleading if he in fact does the opposite and makes lots of money the whole time because revenue>cost. He said Day[9]TV so it is his entire business not just the daily and people in the industry seem to imply it is super profitable but if I'm wrong and day9 does not make any money after costs I'm sorry.
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
Like, yes he could use money he gets from casting tournaments to fund his daily and pay for employees and expenses from it, and he probably does, but I don't get why everyone's like "lol we can't have day9 making a living. No eating for you sean plott! starve!" or whatever. If the guy wanted to make money, he'd take his degree from the prestigious harvey mudd college tech school and his graduate degree from USC and go make some serious bank doing something. he gives up a lot of income to be a caster...
On May 24 2012 19:20 storkfan wrote: I think the whole problem is related to SC2 fans being largely a group of late teens/college age guys. Among whom a large proportion are liberals. Now not to make it political but social ideologies generally have a lot of envy associated, anti-profit, egalitarian ideas that are against personal financial success. I think a lot of people would do well to reconsider their world view and maybe try to be less hostile against people trying to make riches.
This strikes me as utterly preposterous. First off, the sc2 community is bigger than just whatever ideas of "liberal" and "conservative" exist in the US. Secondly, people can be dicks and/or not respect what day9 has done for the community and/or not understand the evidence and/or be immature teenagers completely independent of political alignment.
Like, i don't even see how this is remotely relevant.
I think its rediculous how much crap Day9 is getting from people saying he is "too G rated" or "too politically correct." I seriously don't want to hear some dolt say "yo that play was boss man, he did some serious bitchin shit."
I don't watch the dailies, but from what I have seen and heard of Day9 I have enjoyed his contributions to casting, etc. He seems like a great guy and he only adds to a cast. I prefer Tastosis to Husky/D9, but thats mostly because I dislike Husky's casting.
Are we seriously listening to the opinions of some random non-SC2 gamer and Idra as canon? Do we expect these people to have an unbiased view of the situation? Day9 has called out idra on SotG for not just manning up and learning new playstyles, and I think Idra is probably just buthurt about this. Day9 didn't spend 5 minutes talking to some random guy he met at MLG? He works 14 hour days and sees people who want his time all day long. These should definitely be our contexts for judgement of him.
Day[9] has a freaking song written about him. (Search youtube. If it already hasn't been dropped in this thread.) It's quite true that a wide swathe of the community really love him, and (like any others) his rabid fans will get upset if you jab at him. Same thing applies though to a number of figures in eSports. His brother Nick, for example. Or TotalBiscuit. Or Victorycat. (I hope Victorycat has rabid fans. It can be helpful to a new mother.) Or Idra.
This sounds like it's just a continuation of the "casters make more than players" kerfluffle that I vaguely remember a few months back. Day[9]'s finances are, of course, his own. However, people are making a lot of assumptions on what his potential income is, without looking at ANY of his liabilities. The guy has to pay for bandwidth to his site (the more popular it is, the more it costs), hosting/colo costs, business overhead, travel costs, any staff he may have (I think it's a pretty small company - internet startups can do that), healthcare... and a bunch of things I can't come up with. His company can't do too bad (Forbes did a blurb on him once) but that's only his company. There's also things like paying off his student debt (not sure if he made a lot in his prior progaming career, to avoid having some kind of student debt for going to both undergraduate and graduate school), food, rent, etc.
Honestly, if Day[9] was really making as much money as you think he is, would he still have a roommate and be casting his daily show from his room? Internet advertising is not a very profitable business model (look at Facebook, already being sued by its shareholders) - it doesn't carry the kind of return many people think it does. It can be profitable for some, but not for all. Mercenary casting (ie, he doesn't really stick to only one organization) is much better. Not sure if he makes any money on the events he does - but then that's no different from IPL or MLG.
As for donation - it's more like that check box on US tax forms. "Give $3 to presidential candidates?" Sure, some people check that box. I don't. Both parties are huge moneymaking concerns, but people give them money. If you want to give financial support to something, for whatever reason, you can. If you don't, you don't. Simple.
Now, if Day[9] were to post a donation link in this thread with a heartfelt plea, pictures of starving probes and scvs, and bounce it through a Russian malware server - maybe then get the pitchforks.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where.
I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community.
Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game.
In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction.
You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?"
If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money.
He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes.
Well, he seems nice on camera but he is a human, i think if i would be at his position i would like to make 20$k...All of this public people (actors, singers, public figures) they seem nice, but once you take camera off of them, they became vile corrupted people (most of them)...
On May 24 2012 19:25 felisconcolori wrote: Day[9] has a freaking song written about him. (Search youtube. If it already hasn't been dropped in this thread.)
It's called "Day9 made me do it" :D I've included it inside the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2012 19:25 felisconcolori wrote: Now, if Day[9] were to post a donation link in this thread with a heartfelt plea, pictures of starving probes and scvs, and bounce it through a Russian malware server - maybe then get the pitchforks.
Except for the bounce through the Russian malware server, I'd find this utterly hilarious. Seriously though the man's gotta eat and if people want to GO to his donate page and click on his donate button and give him money, who are we to say they can't do that?
On May 24 2012 18:47 Kyuki wrote: People who are extremly public will always falter at times and Day9 is without fail the biggest personality in the industry, so it's only natural.
Dude what planet are you living on?day9 the biggest personality in the industry?What industry?he is a successfull caster,I give him that but there are tons of personalitites that keep sc2 alive for fans.MKP,Violet,Idra,naniwa,Incontrol,MC,MMA,Nestea and virtually every single progamer out there is more known than day9.When I watch a tournament I watch it because I want to see MKP vs DRG or Squirtle or MVp not some caster.
Dude, what world are YOU living in. Learn to read, I never said there were no other personality that helps this industry, because they're all joint, but Day9 has done alot of things for this community and by doing that he's also gained alot of fame not only inside the community but outside of it promoting e-sports and SC2. I can almost promise you that more people know about Day9 than any of the names you put out there, especially the players (sadly).
Why do I even respond to your post, seems to me you just wanted to say that there are other people in the industry that does alot of good (which was never up for discussion, because it's pretty damn obvious and not related to this topic).
Reread your initial post man.You specified Day9 is the most wellknown perosnality in the sc2 industry.Which is completly fake and stupid.All major progamers are more wellknown than day9.The fact that Day9 does good for the community I give him that-he is a grinder and works dayly to put that analysis of his on youtube.
Day9 has been a caster for each and every major sc2 tournament to date (he used to cast IEM as well). Also, he has his Dailies, he's doing casual stuff like playing amnesia, promoting games, going to panels promoting esports. He's been in freaking forbes. In comparison to a player like MKP, he's a billion times more well known. Of course hardcore sc2 players will think of a player first instead of a caster when asked about who's the most well known sc2 guy. But you're not the majority, neither am I. My girlfriend knows Day[9]. She will just look at me puzzled when I mention MarineKingPrime. Hell, I'm sure there are more people who know Husky or DjWheat than MKP in the western world.
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
On May 24 2012 19:25 Shai wrote: I think its rediculous how much crap Day9 is getting from people saying he is "too G rated" or "too politically correct." I seriously don't want to hear some dolt say "yo that play was boss man, he did some serious bitchin shit."
I don't watch the dailies, but from what I have seen and heard of Day9 I have enjoyed his contributions to casting, etc. He seems like a great guy and he only adds to a cast. I prefer Tastosis to Husky/D9, but thats mostly because I dislike Husky's casting.
Are we seriously listening to the opinions of some random non-SC2 gamer and Idra as canon? Do we expect these people to have an unbiased view of the situation? Day9 has called out idra on SotG for not just manning up and learning new playstyles, and I think Idra is probably just buthurt about this. Day9 didn't spend 5 minutes talking to some random guy he met at MLG? He works 14 hour days and sees people who want his time all day long. These should definitely be our contexts for judgement of him.
I actually consider husky to being a very good blend of politically correctness and amusement.Husky is a funny caster in the right circumstances.Day9 seems like Obama reading text out of a prompter.No problem with that,just saying that some people might want some more lighthearted,personal,internet humor.As far as him not wanting to talk to some random esport writer I think Day9 made the right call.I mean he does have the right to refuse to talk to people who he doesn`t know or does not want to talk to.This personal drama of his is actually making him look more interesting. Imagine the writer walking up to Day9 and Sean is extending is hand and goes like:`talk to the hand`.Some funny stuff right there.Should have filmed it.
The winner of WCG America in BW who beat Artosis, IdrA, Incontrol, is gold in SC2. I like your 30 post logic buddy.
Being pro at bw doesn't mean you will be good at a completely different game, nor that you will love that game. especially if you don't play it for years.
what people are saying is that he doesn't give a shit about sc2 and doesn't play the game any-more as there is no evidence for it. But he is making loads of money off it and pretending to be something he is not (ie super nice all the time or GM with 3 races)
So much jealousy in this thread. The guy is a good face for e-sports. SO WHAT if he wants to earn some cash of his passion. This is his careerer now. He has every right to earn as much money as he wants.
Seriously though, stop being bitter and jealous and go find something your passionate about and work hard at it. Then see how you feel.
With regards to the 2GD incident, I would reckon that no one can say too much either way. The vast majority of this forum have probably never met any of them, and going to conclusion to either of their "real-life" personas wont be to productive, as it seems to depend a lot on hearsay.
But the problem that many, including Idra (if I am not mistaken, and if I am i apologize), is that he has often in his Day9 daylies complained about paying his rent, that donations are welcome. I think many people feel a bit confused when they now finds out that he probably makes more than enough to cover his costs on the dailies while still being able to leave a comfortable life. If the figures of what he earns on a weekend casting is correct (xx xxx$), he should not be complaining about his rent, income or advertise to much about donating to him and his site. In my opinion at least.
Can you donate to people making a lot of money? Sure, but it would also make a lot of people think that their money is used better elsewhere. This is the main problem, regarding his financial situation.
Basically putting up a front of being a struggling artist (while making more money than most of the guys on these forums) and then asking for donations puts a lot of people off when they later learn that he makes five-figured sums for each casting job.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
On May 24 2012 19:20 storkfan wrote: I think the whole problem is related to SC2 fans being largely a group of late teens/college age guys. Among whom a large proportion are liberals. Now not to make it political but social ideologies generally have a lot of envy associated, anti-profit, egalitarian ideas that are against personal financial success. I think a lot of people would do well to reconsider their world view and maybe try to be less hostile against people trying to make riches.
Liberal doesn't mean communist.
I'm liberal and I'm not anti-profit. I just believe in taking some of the profits and spending them on worthwhile things, like not letting people get bankrupted if they get sick, and I believe in staying out of people's personal lives.
This anti-profit sentiment is not even ideological, it's just infantile nonconformity by people who live in their parents' basements and say that anyone making a living doing X is a sellout.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where.
I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community.
Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game.
In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction.
You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?"
If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money.
He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes.
You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll`
Seriously, day9 this time? of all people, day9 gets targeted this time?
I dont care who he is in real life, all i care about is what he has contributed to the starcaft scene, and for me as a scrub who started one year ago, one of the few reasons that i went from bronze to master is because of day9. All the rest i dont care about, but this shit of making threads about dislike of certain people in the scene is going way to far. My respect for the starcraft community went down the drain.
On May 24 2012 19:36 Xenocide_EU wrote: Seriously, day9 this time? of all people, day9 gets targeted this time?
I dont care who he is in real life, all i care about is what he has contributed to the starcaft scene, and for me as a scrub who started one year ago, one of the few reasons that i went from bronze to master is because of day9. All the rest i dont care about, but this shit of making threads about dislike of certain people in the scene is going way to far. My respect for the starcraft community went down the drain.
Yeah we just pick people randomly each week and make completly baseless accusations until they get lynched by reddit.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
the story of life, you cant please everyone. Haters gonna hate.
I know that after working 9-5 there is days I want to go home and relax, especially after a stressful day and I justw ant to get home and rewind a bit. Other days im happy as larry. Different days everyone acts differently.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
He doesn't "beg" for donations. He asks for them. For the love of fuck, he provides hours and hours of content, absolutely free. He asks for completely voluntary donations, and thankfully this lets him make a decent living.
I can't even think of a more ideal relationship between an entertainer and his audience. Are you seriously saying that he needs to spend the majority of his 20s scraping in enough to buy instant ramen and pay rent, because he doesn't "need" more money?
On May 24 2012 19:36 Xenocide_EU wrote: Seriously, day9 this time? of all people, day9 gets targeted this time?
I dont care who he is in real life, all i care about is what he has contributed to the starcaft scene, and for me as a scrub who started one year ago, one of the few reasons that i went from bronze to master is because of day9. All the rest i dont care about, but this shit of making threads about dislike of certain people in the scene is going way to far. My respect for the starcraft community went down the drain.
Yeah we just pick people randomly each week and make completly baseless accusations until they get lynched by reddit.
:/ seems like it... who's next, Incontrol? Tastosis? IdrA? MC? this thread makes me hate TL...
I think the problem that a lot of people are having is similar to that with the Yogscast etc; those that they once were once just 1 or 2 guys sitting on their computers having fun has turned into big business (i mean, if they make the same as other youtubers per view they're millionaires for gods sake). This especially applies to day[9] as he's frequently said "I'm just a nerd with a webcam, hello o/" but if he's actually a shrewd businessman and as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag (which he is if that's true) then people will feel betrayed. The thing about day[9] is that he gets so personal and friendly in his dailies that everyone feels like they have a personal, 1 to 1 relationship with him and if he's been lying then obviously they'll feel betrayed. Furthermore a lot of people are angry that he hasn't been on SotG in months, and hasn't given a reason either to the fans in general or (apparently) to JP and the other hosts. I can see a lot of people talking about "the corruption of money" and "the death of eSports" but honestly, if this is true, then that just sucks because lets face it, everyone loves day[9]. One last thing, he's so oblivious or ignoring of criticism that you can't expect an answer about this unless he's pressed in an interview, which won't happen.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
Ignore him, he has a personal vendetta against him or something. He just posts the same nonsense in every thread he can. Hes super skeptical of all the positive anecdotes regarding Day9 but uncritically accepts some random nobody caster's account.
On May 24 2012 19:36 Xenocide_EU wrote: Seriously, day9 this time? of all people, day9 gets targeted this time?
I dont care who he is in real life, all i care about is what he has contributed to the starcaft scene, and for me as a scrub who started one year ago, one of the few reasons that i went from bronze to master is because of day9. All the rest i dont care about, but this shit of making threads about dislike of certain people in the scene is going way to far. My respect for the starcraft community went down the drain.
Yeah we just pick people randomly each week and make completly baseless accusations until they get lynched by reddit.
:/ seems like it... who's next, Incontrol? Tastosis? IdrA? MC? this thread makes me hate TL...
Don't give up hope! For every crazy hater with 12 posts there's a reasonable discussor discussing things. And if you really don't like this thread, just unsubscribe from it. It'll pass, in time-- this is a big forum with lots of content.
On May 24 2012 19:30 Grackula wrote: day9 is extremely narcissistic
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
Here's why you and people like you are full of shit:
"I can't stand day 9 at all" "I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following"
Now, to translate into what you're actually saying:
"I don't like this guy. No one likes that guy. Fuck that guy."
And yet, the that guy in this equation is easily one of the universally renowned casters who has had appearances in Forbes, other web shows and appeared in more tournaments outside of Korea than almost anyone. And he's been doing this since SC2 was released.
And for a fun anecdote: my flatmate, who has no interest in sc2 scene outside of customs, will occasionally sit down and watch dailies for entertainment. He does appeal to people, that is a certainty.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
While I do realise that everything that is being said on Day[9]'s behalf brands me as a "fanboy", I've still got a question about all of this...
Does anyone else think it's also rude to publically call out someone and basically portraying him as a dick just because he did not want to talk to you? It's like Day[9] is obligated to be polite and give you his attention even during casting at MLG or wherever and if he doesn't he gets shit for it?
I wonder if he attempted to approach Day[9] again privately to talk this out before crying murder to the scene on a public cast.
Just something that struck me as odd... this seems to be the typical hypocrisy of the jealous people.
On May 24 2012 19:30 Grackula wrote: day9 is extremely narcissistic
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
Here's why you and people like you are full of shit:
"I can't stand day 9 at all" "I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following"
Now, to translate into what you're actually saying:
"I don't like this guy. No one likes that guy. Fuck that guy."
And yet, the that guy in this equation is easily one of the universally renowned casters who has had appearances in Forbes, other web shows and appeared in more tournaments outside of Korea than almost anyone. And he's been doing this since SC2 was released.
And for a fun anaedote: my flatmate, who has no interest in sc2, both the game and the scene, will occasionally sit down and watch dailies for entertainment. He does appeal to people, that is a certainty.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
On May 24 2012 19:25 felisconcolori wrote: Day[9] has a freaking song written about him. (Search youtube. If it already hasn't been dropped in this thread.)
It's called "Day9 made me do it" :D I've included it inside the spoiler. + Show Spoiler +
On May 24 2012 19:29 Blazinghand wrote: Except for the bounce through the Russian malware server, I'd find this utterly hilarious. Seriously though the man's gotta eat and if people want to GO to his donate page and click on his donate button and give him money, who are we to say they can't do that?
Pretty much. I wouldn't even get my pitchfork out of storage if Sundance put a donation page on the MLG site - I'd be annoyed and not donate, but if other people want to then they're free to do whatever they want.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
And why should we believe those people? Narcissists get rebuked every day and blame others for it, see the epic saga of Paul Christoforo and his wwebsite as on the internet.
Why's this thread still around? It's mildly tolerable as people has already pointed out that it's an issue wasn't an issue in TL in the first place, and now it's starting to degrade to people namecalling around in here.
On May 24 2012 18:47 Kyuki wrote: People who are extremly public will always falter at times and Day9 is without fail the biggest personality in the industry, so it's only natural.
Dude what planet are you living on?day9 the biggest personality in the industry?What industry?he is a successfull caster,I give him that but there are tons of personalitites that keep sc2 alive for fans.MKP,Violet,Idra,naniwa,Incontrol,MC,MMA,Nestea and virtually every single progamer out there is more known than day9.When I watch a tournament I watch it because I want to see MKP vs DRG or Squirtle or MVp not some caster.
Dude, what world are YOU living in. Learn to read, I never said there were no other personality that helps this industry, because they're all joint, but Day9 has done alot of things for this community and by doing that he's also gained alot of fame not only inside the community but outside of it promoting e-sports and SC2. I can almost promise you that more people know about Day9 than any of the names you put out there, especially the players (sadly).
Why do I even respond to your post, seems to me you just wanted to say that there are other people in the industry that does alot of good (which was never up for discussion, because it's pretty damn obvious and not related to this topic).
Reread your initial post man.You specified Day9 is the most wellknown perosnality in the sc2 industry.Which is completly fake and stupid.All major progamers are more wellknown than day9.The fact that Day9 does good for the community I give him that-he is a grinder and works dayly to put that analysis of his on youtube.
Are you really this thick? Really? You think anyone reading forbes or pretty much anyone who isnt INSIDE the community already know anything about the progamers? No. But people outside and EVERYONE inside the community knows who day9 is. Who are you seriously trying to fool, or do you just not understand what "well known" means? Ffs more people know about destiny than your fav progamers in the GSL...
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Idra didn't shit on him, and who the fuck is 2gd and cadred? Backlash? People wouldn't know who they were if they didn't start some sort of e-sports drama. This kind of nonsense is how you get fame in this childish community.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Yeah Idra is known far and wide for both his reasoned appraisals of people and his tact in expressing himself.
I kinda dislike it alot when he is always the superstar at the end of MLGs, "Im day9, and this has been awesome blablabla..", when it ofcourse should have been the winner in the spotlight. Other than that I think have no personal reason to dislike him, I've never met him!
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
On May 24 2012 19:28 Dali. wrote: Scumbag who doesn't format correctly.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where.
I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community.
Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game.
In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction.
You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?"
If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money.
He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes.
You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll`
Since you present no argument, then I'll take that as you conceding.
And to address your whimpers about hurt feelings, you're the one who started posting with a full blown character assassination of someone almost universally revered as a source of good within the community. Problem is you failed to present any reason or evidence for why we should hate this person as you do. I don't care who the person in question is, you acted and continue to act like a spiteful ass with no reason other than the person rubs you the wrong way. Don't like someone, fine. But don't spew lies and accusations. Especially things you wouldn't say to the face of anyone who personally knows Day9. That's why you're a scumbag, and a coward to boot.
On May 24 2012 19:47 kyllinghest wrote: I kinda dislike it alot when he is always the superstar at the end of MLGs, "Im day9, and this has been awesome blablabla..", when it ofcourse should have been the winner in the spotlight. Other than that I think have no personal reason to dislike him, I've never met him!
I'd just like to say that the sentiment you've expressed here is totally reasonable. Of course you have no reason to dislike him! If everyone in this thread was like you this thread would be like 30 posts long, tops.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote: [quote]2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
lastly: who's cadred and 2gd?
Google, use it.
That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers.
On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote: [quote]2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
Well i also like my internet for free but we all know how that went..
I've paid for GSL, MLG, IPL and NASL, because i wanted to. No one forced me to it and i never did for day9 because i don't watch his show and maybe i should.
The guy asks for money from the people that love his show and never paid anything for it, isn't it fair enought? So what if still wants donations?? Do you think if he was still full of money he would spend many hours doing a daily small show?
I mean the guy could start his own daily tournament, cast in GSL or NASL and he would make more money and even have more exposure...
People think they own internet and other people? Let the man do what he wants.. so what if he is a cunt? Kobe Bryant, Tom Cruise, Ballotelli, Madonna, Lady Gaga are nothing but prima donnas and guess what? THEY DON'T CARE! and their fans don't to..
I like 2GD but sometimes he looks like he wants to be the king of nerds but he doesn't fit at all, he thinks he is badass because he drinks whiskey and gets some punani.. but many people do that and they don't have the urge to brag about it..
Same thing with Sundance, he created a company that gives work for dozens of people and brings excitement to the scene and more money for players.. why would you even criticize him?
2GD you don't need to be a dick/pussy or drink whiskey online and talk about ladys like he all never saw one to be "famous" and "badass"... Day9 does it being nerdy.. are you that envious?
Anyone interested in a laugh take a look at smallerk's post history. The guy is either retarded or a troll, almost every post is about dirty money corrupting e-sports. He probably thinks the government is poisoning the water supply as well.
No wonder he hates Day9 and wants him to actually be a horrible person. He's successful and that means money, which is apparently evil.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
lastly: who's cadred and 2gd?
Google, use it.
That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers.
2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote: [quote]I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
lastly: who's cadred and 2gd?
Google, use it.
That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers.
2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
That's a valid point! Cadred and 2gd have been in esports so long and yet day9 is a bigger name, and is more important. This further validates my statement that these guys credibility on the scene is relatively small-time. They've been involved for so long and I had to google them, whereas day9 was immediately recognized-- clearly these guys whispers are outweighed by the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes, since they went so long without become famous.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
I don't think 2gd or idra really did much shitting. Not nearly like cadred. However, that said, it has now gotten a great deal of exposure for all of them. I had no idea who cadred is, and really don't want to find out in any case. As for the other two, 2gd is a nice guy. Idra is... idra.
To clarify, I guess you're saying that Idra, 2gd, and cadred talking about Day[9] means there must be something bad there, because they know it would cause drama? And I should accept their statements without reservation over the experiences and statements of a lot of other, equally important people in the community? Keeping in mind, of course, that people are people... so obviously there are no biased views there by anyone. 3 people is more credible than, of course, more than 3 other people because the three people might get some backlash over saying things? It takes a little bit more than that, I'm afraid.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Except that only the guy from Cadred shat on Day9. Idra briefly mentioned something about money, but his overall report on Day9 was very positive. 2gd just made an offhand comment saying "Day9 did a lot for the community... and himself". Again, not saying that Day9 is a dick or shitting on him in anyway. He's merely stating that maybe we shouldn't consider him a saint because he actually gets a lot in return for what he does. There's a big difference between that and "shitting" on someone.
On May 24 2012 19:54 zefreak wrote: Anyone interested in a laugh take a look at smallerk's post history. The guy is either retarded or a troll, almost every post is about dirty money corrupting e-sports. He probably thinks the government is poisoning the water supply as well.
No wonder he hates Day9 and wants him to actually be a horrible person. He's successful and that means money, which is apparently evil.
Yeah, these 20 pages of posts, several posts on reddit and awkward moments on lo3 were all me, on my several alternate personas of conspiracy.
On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote: [quote]I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
lastly: who's cadred and 2gd?
Google, use it.
That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers.
2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
He's 3 years older than Day9. Don't play the grandpa card.
And this isn't an "esports" site. Very few us really care if James Harding was casting CS in some community center in the UK 5 years ago. We do care that Day9 was winning WCG finals 7 years ago.
On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote: Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up.
Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva.
2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes.
I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant.
His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not.
I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Cadred is not a credible source. 2gd made a snite remark "day9 did great things for esports... and his wallet" IdrA's exact quote was
Day9 has been catching a lot of flak recently about his persona and what he puts out to the public. I think that deserves some scrutiny. I think he says some questionable things in the past. I am not sure how fair what he presents to the public is.
It's a touchy subject, because he's someone I know personally. He's a good guy and done a ton for esports. He has done a lot to better esports, and he has made the industry better for all of us; so take that with a big grain of salt, but there're some things about him I don't particularly like.
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
1) That article is an "ask the editor" piece with Richard Lewis of Cadred
2) The 2GD quotes were from the The GD Show on Tuesday and the relevant ones are "day[9] has done a lot to help esports... and himself" and (when referring to the red bull battlegrounds casters "I don't like it that much on the analytical side"
On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote: [quote] You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
lastly: who's cadred and 2gd?
Google, use it.
That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers.
2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
He's 3 years older than Day9. Don't play the grandpa card.
And this isn't an "esports" site. Very few us really care if James Harding was casting CS in some community center in the UK 5 years ago. We do care that Day9 was winning WCG finals 7 years ago.
On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote: [quote] You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
lastly: who's cadred and 2gd?
Google, use it.
That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers.
2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
He's 3 years older than Day9. Don't play the grandpa card.
And this isn't an "esports" site. Very few us really care if James Harding was casting CS in some community center in the UK 5 years ago. We do care that Day9 was winning WCG finals 7 years ago.
You may not care about what he's done, he is hardly "small time" however.
On May 24 2012 19:28 Dali. wrote: Scumbag who doesn't format correctly.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where.
I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community.
Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game.
In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction.
You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?"
If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money.
He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes.
You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll`
Since you present no argument, then I'll take that as you conceding.
And to address your whimpers about hurt feelings, you're the one who started posting with a full blown character assassination of someone almost universally revered as a source of good within the community. Problem is you failed to present any reason or evidence for why we should hate this person as you do. I don't care who the person in question is, you acted and continue to act like a spiteful ass with no reason other than the person rubs you the wrong way. Don't like someone, fine. But don't spew lies and accusations. Especially things you wouldn't say to the face of anyone who personally knows Day9. That's why you're a scumbag, and a coward to boot.
gg no re.
This has got to be the dumbest person I have ever seen on teamliquid.Poor guy.Dude,you are too dumb for me to have an argument with you .You are like a pile of smelly trash poisoning this thread.Your real luck is that there are mods here otherwise I would have finished with you swiftly.You are like the decrepit old people insulting people on the street when there is police around.In other words you are too insignificative for me to get a ban arguing with you.And about the hurt feelings my only reaction is HA HA HA HA HA.I do not get hurt by trolls on the internet.I can`t even believe dumb people such as yourself exist.i can and will tell you to your face much worse things that I have said in this thread.My oppinion of Day9 remains the same.Only my oppinion of you has lowered.But I totally understand you.You being a lifeless troll who thing it is a sign of courage to tell someone trash in front of their faces just because you are too cowardly to do so.If you think that insulting someone in the face is an act of courage you have never been in an outnumbered streetfight before.Continue to live the way you do.
I have to say this to get it out of my system: This community, like most gaming communities are full of small-time angry insecure nerd pricks (like me?-). Best communities, as you would imagine, are from more hardcore strategy games that have an older player base.
I tend respect players like Stephano, who don't give a fuck about the community but just do their own thing.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np.
lastly: who's cadred and 2gd?
Google, use it.
That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers.
2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
He's 3 years older than Day9. Don't play the grandpa card.
And this isn't an "esports" site. Very few us really care if James Harding was casting CS in some community center in the UK 5 years ago. We do care that Day9 was winning WCG finals 7 years ago.
Qualifiers, not the finals. :p
I meant the finals for WCG qualifiers, but I stand corrected as I was unclear.
My point is that Day9 has a long history in the professional Starcraft scene whereas I don't really give two shits what Pikmin matches 2GD was casting at the time.
On May 24 2012 19:28 Dali. wrote: Scumbag who doesn't format correctly.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where.
I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community.
Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game.
In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction.
You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?"
If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money.
He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes.
You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll`
Since you present no argument, then I'll take that as you conceding.
And to address your whimpers about hurt feelings, you're the one who started posting with a full blown character assassination of someone almost universally revered as a source of good within the community. Problem is you failed to present any reason or evidence for why we should hate this person as you do. I don't care who the person in question is, you acted and continue to act like a spiteful ass with no reason other than the person rubs you the wrong way. Don't like someone, fine. But don't spew lies and accusations. Especially things you wouldn't say to the face of anyone who personally knows Day9. That's why you're a scumbag, and a coward to boot.
gg no re.
This has got to be the dumbest person I have ever seen on teamliquid.Poor guy.Dude,you are too dumb for me to have an argument with you .You are like a pile of smelly trash poisoning this thread.Your real luck is that there are mods here otherwise I would have finished with you swiftly.You are like the decrepit old people insulting people on the street when there is police around.In other words you are too insignificative for me to get a ban arguing with you.And about the hurt feelings my only reaction is HA HA HA HA HA.I do not get hurt by trolls on the internet.I can`t even believe dumb people such as yourself exist.i can and will tell you to your face much worse things that I have said in this thread.My oppinion of Day9 remains the same.Only my oppinion of you has lowered.But I totally understand you.You being a lifeless troll who thing it is a sign of courage to tell someone trash in front of their faces just because you are too cowardly to do so.If you think that insulting someone in the face is an act of courage you have never been in an outnumbered streetfight before.Continue to live the way you do.
You... you just made your own argument redundant... and insulted yourself by acting mad, and bieng... blah, time to get out of this thread, its so stupid its sad
When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for A. The sick pro games B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content. At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
On May 24 2012 19:28 Dali. wrote: Scumbag who doesn't format correctly.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where.
I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community.
Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game.
In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction.
You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?"
If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money.
He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes.
You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll`
Since you present no argument, then I'll take that as you conceding.
And to address your whimpers about hurt feelings, you're the one who started posting with a full blown character assassination of someone almost universally revered as a source of good within the community. Problem is you failed to present any reason or evidence for why we should hate this person as you do. I don't care who the person in question is, you acted and continue to act like a spiteful ass with no reason other than the person rubs you the wrong way. Don't like someone, fine. But don't spew lies and accusations. Especially things you wouldn't say to the face of anyone who personally knows Day9. That's why you're a scumbag, and a coward to boot.
gg no re.
This has got to be the dumbest person I have ever seen on teamliquid.Poor guy.Dude,you are too dumb for me to have an argument with you .You are like a pile of smelly trash poisoning this thread.Your real luck is that there are mods here otherwise I would have finished with you swiftly.You are like the decrepit old people insulting people on the street when there is police around.In other words you are too insignificative for me to get a ban arguing with you.And about the hurt feelings my only reaction is HA HA HA HA HA.I do not get hurt by trolls on the internet.I can`t even believe dumb people such as yourself exist.i can and will tell you to your face much worse things that I have said in this thread.My oppinion of Day9 remains the same.Only my oppinion of you has lowered.But I totally understand you.You being a lifeless troll who thing it is a sign of courage to tell someone trash in front of their faces just because you are too cowardly to do so.If you think that insulting someone in the face is an act of courage you have never been in an outnumbered streetfight before.Continue to live the way you do.
Why is it everday I log on to tl.net I see shit posters like parduebob11? It has been getting worse lately. Have fun in Disney Land. You won't be missed.
Smallerk: He didn't complain about his rent; he spoke of forgetting to pay it. There's a difference, and it's between being disingenuous and being forgetful. The former serves the point you're trying to make, hence your attempt to capitalize on it by, funnily enough, being disingenuous about it.
With a background in law enforcement and a history of working with a lot of terrible people, I am always amused by the little things that certain people want to get aggravated by. It's interesting that, in an effort to portray another person that coexists with us as less than savory, we begin to analyze every little interaction for some nuanced emotion or feeling that might strengthen or bolster our attempt to tear this person down. This person didn't say they were perfect; they didn't say that every single moment of their life was sunshine and rainbows. Some among us inferred that, and in our need to satisfy our desire to disprove a point that never existed, scoured videos, listened to interviews and read anecdotes and shared them.
It's the height of absurd. There's also a lot of projection in this thread from people who seem agitated that another person might be considerate of others and happy a good portion of their awake time without antidepressants. Also absurd. You are permitted to judge another person, give your opinion and condemn others for their actions because these fora permit it. It is my opinion, however, that everyone here can be better than that. There are a lot of terrible, terrible people in this world; there are some very rude people in this game. I think people should think about the differences that entails. Do you really want to devote a sizable portion of your time to orchestrating the downfall of JP McDaniels and State of the Game for failing to meet your expectations? Do you really want to tear down Sean Plott and Day[9]TV for perceived slights?
Just because you have the ability to do something doesn't mean you should. If Day9 had nothing tomorrow--no show, no place to cast and he never received another dollar from StarCraft, would you earnestly be happy?
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote: When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for A. The sick pro games B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content. At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
Excellent post. It's very hard to express exactly what's wrong with Day9 circa May 2012 but you did a good job.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
On May 24 2012 18:47 Kyuki wrote: People who are extremly public will always falter at times and Day9 is without fail the biggest personality in the industry, so it's only natural.
Dude what planet are you living on?day9 the biggest personality in the industry?What industry?he is a successfull caster,I give him that but there are tons of personalitites that keep sc2 alive for fans.MKP,Violet,Idra,naniwa,Incontrol,MC,MMA,Nestea and virtually every single progamer out there is more known than day9.When I watch a tournament I watch it because I want to see MKP vs DRG or Squirtle or MVp not some caster.
Dude, what world are YOU living in. Learn to read, I never said there were no other personality that helps this industry, because they're all joint, but Day9 has done alot of things for this community and by doing that he's also gained alot of fame not only inside the community but outside of it promoting e-sports and SC2. I can almost promise you that more people know about Day9 than any of the names you put out there, especially the players (sadly).
Why do I even respond to your post, seems to me you just wanted to say that there are other people in the industry that does alot of good (which was never up for discussion, because it's pretty damn obvious and not related to this topic).
Reread your initial post man.You specified Day9 is the most wellknown perosnality in the sc2 industry.Which is completly fake and stupid.All major progamers are more wellknown than day9.The fact that Day9 does good for the community I give him that-he is a grinder and works dayly to put that analysis of his on youtube.
Are you really this thick? Really? You think anyone reading forbes or pretty much anyone who isnt INSIDE the community already know anything about the progamers? No. But people outside and EVERYONE inside the community knows who day9 is. Who are you seriously trying to fool, or do you just not understand what "well known" means? Ffs more people know about destiny than your fav progamers in the GSL...
I don`t even know why I am having this conversation with Day9 hardcore fans. I have been introduced to the starcraft bw proscene way before sc2came out by videos of Boxer,jaedong and FLash on youtube.that was the first thing I could remember in my bw introduction.I did not even know who tastosis was nor do I have any memories of moletrap or anyone else.It is an unwritten rule in anything related to sport and especially esport that the players are more known that the casters who are otherwise the esports version of commentaorrs.When I watch regular sport I don`t watch it for the commentators,I watch it for the athletes.Saying Day9 is more famous than Nestea is like saying the most well known basketball comentator is more famous than Kobe Briant.Industry insiders might know the comentator but everybody watches the game for Bryant/Lakers.I personally do not know anyone who watches a tournament(aka the lifeblood of esports)to hear a commentator regardless of the name of the comentator.they watch it for the players.Day9 is famous among comentators but he is definetly he is not more famous than the players. And about Destiny I can guarantee you more people know about kr progamers than Destiny who also received his fame by playing the game. But if you think Day9 is more famous than sc2 progamers you could make a point regarding the lesser known progamers.But I can gurantee you he can not match in fame with the top 10.If he does well that just sucks.
On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote: When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for A. The sick pro games B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content. At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
Excellent post. It's very hard to express exactly what's wrong with Day9 circa May 2012 but you did a good job.
Yeh, I agree, solid post. I still like Day9 as a caster but he's clearly changed his daily persona and become a caricature. He hams it up so much these days. I'd say the turning point was the Amnesia playthrough.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
On May 24 2012 20:00 Coeus1 wrote: I have to say this to get it out of my system: This community, like most gaming communities are full of small-time angry insecure nerd pricks (like me?-). Best communities, as you would imagine, are from more hardcore strategy games that have an older player base.
I tend respect players like Stephano, who don't give a fuck about the community but just do their own thing.
Well, in part the relative "youthiness" (tm) (it's mine, think truthiness but with more applicability) in this community is partially because most of us are also players. And we can't all be like White-Ra, who still is playing competitively but over 30. (I sure as hell can't, and yes I will blame my being older than White-Ra for it. Hell, Quake didn't even come out until I was in college.)
Although I think you're a bit off... Eve Online has one of the demographically "oldest" communities, and the people that actually get into their communities are hardcore bittervets. And they can be just as much a bunch of small-time angry insecure nerd pricks - we just use a better vocabulary. There may be slightly more actual discussion... slightly. Because we get tired faster and can't always keep up the energy for constant bitching.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
Sorry, but the mere fact that someone thinks "he didn't want to talk to me and this upset me greatly" is worth telling the world is a clear indication that I'm not going to believe any embellishment like "hand in face".
I've seen a video of Day9 being "rude". He was sitting down backstage, busy on his computer, and some random jackass with a camera shoved it and a microphone in his face without even asking if it was OK first.
People who don't respect other people's privacy do not deserve to get their way. They are like door to door salesmen slamming their feet in your door. You have every right to kick that foot out and slam the door shut in their faces.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Behaving like a pleasant and sociable person in public is not "fake", it's called being a mature human being.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
But if you think Day9 is more famous than sc2 progamers you could make a point regarding the lesser known progamers.But I can gurantee you he can not match in fame with the top 10.If he does well that just sucks.
He is the first name/persona who comes to my mind whenever I think of SC2.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Apparently it is. People have to bring their own miseries upon others. Maybe he's just a really positive person who wishes to conduct himself as well as possible in public? Of course he's not always like that normally, but that doesn't mean he's a dick 24/7.
It makes me sad, it really does. I have always looked up to Sean as one of the most hardworking individuals in SC2-business. I can't really think of anyone else that has so much responsibility and obligations towards what he does. He loves what he does though, and that really shows. He does it with a touch of passion, a passion that carried him through his years (around 10 yrs?) as a BW pro gamer. A time period, where, you'd be happy to not have an account in the deep red, but perhaps just in the red.
Furthermore, Sean is one of those few guys who I'd like to see represent us as a community, who I'd like to introduce people to StarCraft through: "This guy, is a former pro gamer, who has now turned his passion for the game into business. And you know what? He does it pretty damn well." People can relate to him, he makes complex terms reasonable, breaks down the games into understandable tidbits. He is also damn funny/passionate.
Now people jump on the fact that.... you know what? I don't really understand why people jump on him. I honestly don't. Because for each argument (if you weed out the bad ones, the trolly ones) there are literally three counter-arguments to that claim. People are genuinly upset that he makes money out of what he does.
I can only hope that this shit doesn't stick around. I can only hope that Day[9] isn't discouraged (but I don't think so, he has lived most of his life on the internet, hasn't he?) and I can only hope that the mob mentality of reddit will be bearable in the future, because in some cases, it seems just like the shit that grows in there, spreads like wildfire.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
Noone knows what the situation was like. Cadred doesn't even provide much information. What if cadred was being rude? What if Day[9] just wanted some privacy and he was swarmed by 10 guys before that he politely asked to leave him some space? Hell, even if he WAS being rude... Everyone has their off-days. After like 10 hours of casting, I would threaten people if they didn't let me catch a breath even if I was on one of my good days.
On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote: When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for A. The sick pro games B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content. At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
Excellent post. It's very hard to express exactly what's wrong with Day9 circa May 2012 but you did a good job.
Yeh, I agree, solid post. I still like Day9 as a caster but he's clearly changed his daily persona and become a caricature. He hams it up so much these days. I'd say the turning point was the Amnesia playthrough.
Yeah I think Amn. was the point where I stopped watching. I think a lot of people here are missing the point. For me it isn't about whether he is good/bad etc. That's all opinion. For me, it's about the fact that there has been a significant change in his personality. In my experience these are usually associated with real life events.
Whether I watch his dailies or not is irrelevant. I'm worried about the guy.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
What it looks like to me is that almost anyone who's worked with him on a tournament or met him in person has found him to be a great guy.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote: When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for A. The sick pro games B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content. At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
Excellent post. It's very hard to express exactly what's wrong with Day9 circa May 2012 but you did a good job.
Yeh, I agree, solid post. I still like Day9 as a caster but he's clearly changed his daily persona and become a caricature. He hams it up so much these days. I'd say the turning point was the Amnesia playthrough.
Yeah I think Amn. was the point where I stopped watching. I think a lot of people here are missing the point. For me it isn't about whether he is good/bad etc. That's all opinion. For me, it's about the fact that there has been a significant change in his personality. In my experience these are usually associated with real life events.
Whether I watch his dailies or not is irrelevant. I'm worried about the guy.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
On May 24 2012 17:36 R3DT1D3 wrote: Even so, being good enough to make what would likely be Masters in the current ladder with all three races is nothing to sneeze at.
Where is the proof that he is masters? in fact where is the proof that he plays any sc2 at all?
Thats one of the big reasons people think he is a fake. No one has seen him playing the game he claims to love and makes loads of money off of.
Because he gets master level knowledge by asking his chat right?
Master level knowledge judged by who?
He thinks seeker missiles are "stupidly good" and likes to talk about mech use in TvP. That sounds more like gold level talk to me.
No one has ever seen him play sc2 competitively. No one. His claim that he has had 3 gm accounts seem very hollow if not an outright lie.
Pretty sure day9's advice is geared towards low diamond or below. That's smart because most of his SC2 audience are casual players. How many masters players watch day9 dailies for advice?
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said to his subscribers "The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating MLG. If you have the means to offer additional support so that Sundance can continue his efforts to grow eSports, we invite you to make a one time personal donation to his tip jar (or, better still, a recurring donation!!) below:" And then we later find out that MLG was very profitable the whole time because he conveniently forgot to mention adding sponsor and advertisement revenue was much greater than the cost. I'd find that misleading and the community shouldn't just accept that.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore in this thread.
But if you think Day9 is more famous than sc2 progamers you could make a point regarding the lesser known progamers.But I can gurantee you he can not match in fame with the top 10.If he does well that just sucks.
He is the first name/persona who comes to my mind whenever I think of SC2.
Fair enough.Personal preferences can not be discussed.Nevertheless I do find it kind of odd that in a competititve sport,commmentators/casters tend to be more famous than the players themselves.I mean the casters have the most exposure but in terms of memory impact,in my case athlethes tend to stay longer in mind than the casters themselves.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
What's wrong with him being 'Day9' in his professional life and 'Sean' in his private life. I mean, they're both just different facets of the same person, by why must he be 100% of one all the time? Do you think Artosis runs round his house yelling about banelings or DjWheat rants aggressively at his wife? Fuck no, because they segment their careers away from their private lives.
Do you want a camera on Day9 at all times so when he isn't 'happy and cheerio' you can shout "Ah HA!, he's a fake!" Maybe he doesn't want people like you around all the god damn time.
I don't need to see him angry to know he has been angry. Despite seeing him saddened, I did not need to see it to know he has been sad. Unless he is abnormal or suffers from a mental illness, he is a fully capable, flawed human being who can run the gamut of emotions available to them. Professionalism tempers my emotions when I deal with someone who has molested a child; professionalism tempered Sean Plott's emotions when individuals bothered him for some questions.
Your interpretation of that event is far more severe. You are welcome to it, but if that offended you, there aren't very many people alive who are perfect. Professionalism is confused with being phony because the idea of attempting to maintain a modicum of integrity is for some reason a bad thing. We see the people who are unrestrained, constantly expressing every thought that has every crossed their mind and say "they are real". Some of us just don't want to air that thought. I'm not going to air the thoughts I think about you, smallerk.
Am I being phony because I'm attempting to be civil?
On May 24 2012 20:17 Mr.X546 wrote: So I wake up this morning, and see this....
It makes me sad, it really does. I have always looked up to Sean as one of the most hardworking individuals in SC2-business. I can't really think of anyone else that has so much responsibility and obligations towards what he does. He loves what he does though, and that really shows. He does it with a touch of passion, a passion that carried him through his years (around 10 yrs?) as a BW pro gamer. A time period, where, you'd be happy to not have an account in the deep red, but perhaps just in the red.
Furthermore, Sean is one of those few guys who I'd like to see represent us as a community, who I'd like to introduce people to StarCraft through: "This guy, is a former pro gamer, who has now turned his passion for the game into business. And you know what? He does it pretty damn well." People can relate to him, he makes complex terms reasonable, breaks down the games into understandable tidbits. He is also damn funny/passionate.
Now people jump on the fact that.... you know what? I don't really understand why people jump on him. I honestly don't. Because for each argument (if you weed out the bad ones, the trolly ones) there are literally three counter-arguments to that claim. People are genuinly upset that he makes money out of what he does.
I can only hope that this shit doesn't stick around. I can only hope that Day[9] isn't discouraged (but I don't think so, he has lived most of his life on the internet, hasn't he?) and I can only hope that the mob mentality of reddit will be bearable in the future, because in some cases, it seems just like the shit that grows in there, spreads like wildfire.
Don't be hating on Day[9]
This, I can't express enough how so many of our community are so selfish and enjoy latching on to anything good and trying to drag it into their own misery, I thought Day[9] was the one sacred pillar of our community, I was wrong, please don't let this amazing site become reddit 2.0.
Starcraft has a lot of communist fans I think. They curse everyone that has PPV, curse day9 cuz maybe he's making some bank, curse EG for signing players. It just goes on and on and on...
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him?
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
EDIT:
On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote: [quote]
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him?
Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture?
Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him.
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
EDIT:
On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote: [quote]
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behavior before you blindly defend him?
He's speaking from personal experience, not "blindly defending" him, I for one value that above many of the publicized reports that are often opinionated and biased themselves
I dislike Day9s personality a lot. His dailies are extremely boring long winded and he comes off like a person who just likes to hear himself talk. Day9 would be more suitable for a reality show than gaming commentary.
Also his donation gathering is questionable to say the least. Streaming and casting is a lucrative business for him, no question about it and everyone should take his online persona with a grain of salt.
ALSO, the fact that he has never admitted to whatever his ladder rank is (obviously not GM) makes it even worse for me. Master league and above have nothing to learn from him, so I never watch.
The winner of WCG America in BW who beat Artosis, IdrA, Incontrol, is gold in SC2. I like your 30 post logic buddy.
Being pro at bw doesn't mean you will be good at a completely different game, nor that you will love that game. especially if you don't play it for years.
what people are saying is that he doesn't give a shit about sc2 and doesn't play the game any-more as there is no evidence for it. But he is making loads of money off it and pretending to be something he is not (ie super nice all the time or GM with 3 races)
How do you know he doesn't give a shit about it?
How do you know isn't nice?
How do you know he isn't GM?
How much money is he making? And why does that matter?
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
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On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote: [quote] Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him?
Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture?
Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
On May 24 2012 20:27 Fyodor wrote: Starcraft has a lot of communist fans I think. They curse everyone that has PPV, curse day9 cuz maybe he's making some bank, curse EG for signing players. It just goes on and on and on...
Well, not every StarCraft fan is American. I wouldn't say communist, rather socialist.
On May 24 2012 20:31 Manimal_pro wrote: ALSO, the fact that he has never admitted to whatever his ladder rank is (obviously not GM) makes it even worse for me. Master league and above have nothing to learn from him, so I never watch.
To be fair, I think his show is explicitly targetted at people in low leagues. I personally have watched less and less since I got into Master League, but I can't really blame the guy for targetting a low level audience;; after all, 80% of players are below Diamond, so it makes sense to focus your strategy show on them.
This thread is hilarious. I see people coming up with the most absurd reasons to hate someone for no actual reason whatsoever, pointing out Idra saying that he has flaws as a human being as examples.
Is this jealousy at a grander level or are people being retarded?
Smallerk: Pretend every nasty thing said about him is true. Pretend he was the height of rude during the attempt by the ESL crew to interview him.
Again, where does he say he has never been rude? Where does he say he has never uttered a nasty thing? He uses explicit language, he's spoken unconventionally about sex and he's cried for half an hour on a webcam. We're not dealing with a saint. You confuse professionalism with being phony in every sentence you write in this thread.
On May 24 2012 20:29 Darksoldierr wrote: What a twist it would be if it turns out that day[9] is none other but the devil itself
This made me LOL for the first time reading this sad thread. I don't really know why the SC community insist on always finding some kind of controversy. Some times TL is just like a tabloid.
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
EDIT:
On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote: [quote]
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him?
Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture?
Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
I'll admit i haven't heard what cadred said about day9, but idra was nothing close to saying he was a bad person, just that he didn't like some aspects of his persona
On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote: When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for A. The sick pro games B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content. At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
i don't understand i just watched daily 468 and i don't see what u mean ofc he talked for 2 min about what the upcomming tournaments where and like one joke or statement but other than that i can't see anything like that he would focuse on himself(as stories and other stuf)besides some jokes from time to time which i think actually is really important since if he don't maybe some new players would be bored
It's funny how some people are trying to start some shit up but are failing miserably. Keep banging your head into the wall if it makes you happy though.
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
EDIT:
On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote: [quote]
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him?
Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture?
Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Well, again I'm gonna say:
1) IdrA likes day9, and overall gave a positive review of him. I have told you this previously, and you seem to ignore it. 2) Cadred and 2gd have met him, and so have I. I don't know either of these fellows, and even if I did, I personally value my own experience. I feel obligated to make my statement on day9's personality, and it's okay for me to disagree with them; they're not bad people for having a different view of the man than myself. I just disagree with them.
My real question is: where do you fit into all this? You're not carded, 2gd, or Idra, so what makes your statements more relevant than theirs or mine? you haven't met him, you have little to add.
On May 24 2012 20:33 Desert Fox wrote: Smallerk: Pretend every nasty thing said about him is true. Pretend he was the height of rude during the attempt by the ESL crew to interview him.
Again, where does he say he has never been rude? Where does he say he has never uttered a nasty thing? He uses explicit language, he's spoken unconventionally about sex and he's cried for half an hour on a webcam. We're not dealing with a saint. You confuse professionalism with being phony in every sentence you write in this thread.
I think Desert Fox makes a good point here. Day9 is totally legit and sometimes we need to be aware of the flaws in our stars without decrying them. He's just a regular dude, he's not the devil. lol.
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
EDIT:
On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:
On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote: [quote]
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote: I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote: I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him?
Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture?
Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Did you even listen to what IdrA said about Day[9]?
Day9 fake? Noooo way. Seriously, every time he turns the camera back on his face and does this fake laugh u_u After 1 daily I disliked him, but it doesn't mean he does not deserve the money he earns or that he didn't help esport.
I am going to take a guess and say that in the next day or two, Day[9] is going to create a thread which completely shuts down all this bullshit.
Even though he shouldn't even need to give these speculations the time of day, he strikes me as the kind of person who would take these complains VERY seriously. Expect an explanation soon.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
On May 24 2012 20:33 Desert Fox wrote: Smallerk: Pretend every nasty thing said about him is true. Pretend he was the height of rude during the attempt by the ESL crew to interview him.
Again, where does he say he has never been rude? Where does he say he has never uttered a nasty thing? He uses explicit language, he's spoken unconventionally about sex and he's cried for half an hour on a webcam. We're not dealing with a saint. You confuse professionalism with being phony in every sentence you write in this thread.
You are speaking on this without even knowing what people have said about him, you are trying to have a discussion without having all the facts, this doesn't make sense to me.
Day9 can be a little hard to read sometimes. I don't think anyone, except people who have met him and dealt with him personally could hate him. Anyone on here can't really hate day9, he is a nice person, I don't think I would care if he made a million a year, that would be awesome, and I would trust how he would invest it in esports, or if he didn't and blew it all on video games I wouldn't care, he's a great ambassador for esports and I think he's just a great cool guy. But, there are a few things that more bug me about him, just like the trend on the daily being made more um, relaxed and less "hardcore, as he puts it himself. And how Idra says he makes people who disagree with him look bad, which did remind me how he treated Idra in the MLG's after their balance debate on SotG last year.
I guess there's a few things that more bug me about it, rather than hate him and I think just hating him is a little presumptive. I do however dislike the idea that someone in the community is untouchable, everyone should be open to criticism, but I do think a lot of the hate is undeserved.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
That is not the case here, eventually more people will man up like 2GD and tell people how he behaves like a diva at live events, if not now then maybe in a month or in 6.
On May 24 2012 20:33 Desert Fox wrote: Smallerk: Pretend every nasty thing said about him is true. Pretend he was the height of rude during the attempt by the ESL crew to interview him.
Again, where does he say he has never been rude? Where does he say he has never uttered a nasty thing? He uses explicit language, he's spoken unconventionally about sex and he's cried for half an hour on a webcam. We're not dealing with a saint. You confuse professionalism with being phony in every sentence you write in this thread.
You are speaking on this without even knowing what people have said about him, you are trying to have a discussion without having all the facts, this doesn't make sense to me.
Aren't you also having a "discussion" "without having all the facts"? I don't understand why so many of you will go out of your way to try to hurt someone who has given so much to eSports, like him or not.
You are speaking on this without even knowing what people have said about him, you are trying to have a discussion without having all the facts, this doesn't make sense to me.
Smallerk: I am saying that everything shared against him by all the people you've listed is true. He was rude to those people in the harshest possible scenario envisioned. Again, why does it matter? Is he an automaton incapable of making mistakes? Has he claimed to be one? Do you want him to be one? Will you be satisfied if he disappears tomorrow?
On May 24 2012 14:55 vulhulla wrote: At the end of the day, every one of us is left with a choice when it comes to our time and money: watch and support the things you believe in. Posting shit on /r/starcraft and on TL probably won't change anything about you, or even the person you're trying to bitch at. In the end it just makes the rest of us look bad, and I am getting sick of being associated with all the jackasses and hate-mongers out there that feel the need to shit on people in the community.
So basically you're telling all of us to stop complaining about things we dislike because it won't matter? ... makes me wonder why you posted this.
I think you're pretty arrogant to think that people criticizing e-sports should be stopped because it associates you with them. How often does someone come up to you and say "Oooh you like e-sports... I heard about that community, they're all jackasses, ergo you are one".
People criticize things they are passionate about, it happens, not only in e-sports and it's fine.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
That is not the case here, eventually more people will man up like 2GD and tell people how he behaves like a diva at live events, if not now then maybe in a month or in 6.
That is not the case here, eventually more people will man up like 2GD and tell people how he behaves like a diva at live events, if not now then maybe in a month or in 6.
We live in the present and must discuss the present. If and when we cross that bridge, we shall discuss it. To hold a man guilty of something that hasn't been said of him yet is irresponsible. We can't have that now, can we?
You are speaking on this without even knowing what people have said about him, you are trying to have a discussion without having all the facts, this doesn't make sense to me.
Smallerk: I am saying that everything shared against him by all the people you've listed is true. He was rude to those people in the harshest possible scenario envisioned. Again, why does it matter? Is he an automaton incapable of making mistakes? Has he claimed to be one? Do you want him to be one? Will you be satisfied if he disappears tomorrow?
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands in people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
That is not the case here, eventually more people will man up like 2GD and tell people how he behaves like a diva at live events, if not now then maybe in a month or in 6.
If that's even the case. Plenty of people have said that they like him as a person.
The whole: "e-sport suicide" could just be said to strengthen his own opinion, should no one else agree with him. He can then always play it off as "being afraid".
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
That is not the case here, eventually more people will man up like 2GD and tell people how he behaves like a diva at live events, if not now then maybe in a month or in 6.
You've heard conflicting reports about his attitude at live events, why do you trust 2GD over the many other people that have worked with him and spoken well of him in this thread? Are you a huge 2GD fan or something?
You don't even have all the info, all you are going off of is what you heard from 2 people (Idra said hes a great person etc, not sure if you even watched his interview).
In fact, 2GD didn't even say anything bad about Day9's personality, just that hes well off (in a passive-aggressive, childish way, but SirScoots tore his ass apart for that so I won't get into it).
You are speaking on this without even knowing what people have said about him, you are trying to have a discussion without having all the facts, this doesn't make sense to me.
Smallerk: I am saying that everything shared against him by all the people you've listed is true. He was rude to those people in the harshest possible scenario envisioned. Again, why does it matter? Is he an automaton incapable of making mistakes? Has he claimed to be one? Do you want him to be one? Will you be satisfied if he disappears tomorrow?
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
Unless you provide an adequate reason as to why it matters that people behave differently off camera then you need to go away.
In fact, 2GD didn't even say anything bad about Day9's personality, just that hes well off (in a passive-aggressive, childish way, but SirScoots tore his ass apart for that so I won't get into it).
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
That is not the case here, eventually more people will man up like 2GD and tell people how he behaves like a diva at live events, if not now then maybe in a month or in 6.
You've heard conflicting reports about his attitude at live events, why do you trust 2GD over the many other people that have worked with him and spoken well of him in this thread? Are you a huge 2GD fan or something?
You don't even have all the info, all you are going off of is what you heard from 2 people (Idra said hes a great person etc, not sure if you even watched his interview).
In fact, 2GD didn't even say anything bad about Day9's personality, just that hes well off (in a passive-aggressive, childish way, but SirScoots tore his ass apart for that so I won't get into it).
I'm really curious what your motivation is.
I am going of what i've been hearing for a long time, i don't have the patience to go get every twitch vod link, because it won't be needed. Eventually the shitfest will surface on it's own.
I was a huge fan of Day9 dailies, but I have been not watching them for two-three months, everytime I try to, I wonder why he doesn't analyze as much as he did in the good old dailies. It seems to me that he is not putting effort at all. Like if he is surfing his own image, because there is no more need to do his best, because he has already made his own character. But I can be the only one thinking this . Oh well
I am going of what i've been hearing for a long time, i don't have the patience to go get every twitch vod link, because it won't be needed. Eventually the shitfest will surface on it's own.
Do you want to execute him now, or shall we wait for the rest of the evidence to surface?
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
I am going of what i've been hearing for a long time, i don't have the patience to go get every twitch vod link, because it won't be needed. Eventually the shitfest will surface on it's own.
Do you want to execute him now, or shall we wait for the rest of the evidence to surface?
I've never followed Day9's dailies and I don't follow talkshows like SoTG, nor have I been a particular fan of his so I think I can be a little more objective than his fans or haters...
Personally he seems very self-centered and so on, but no one is free from flaws. Also his "GM in every race and being able to compete with progamers" is bullshit to me, and I wouldn't put him on the same ground of Artosis or Rotterdam for analysis. But his casting is quite good, he manages to be excited without forgetting the analytical aspect of the casting, so why not?
About the money I'm someone who agrees with Cloud's opinions, but rather than disliking Day9 for getting money it's the system that should be blamed.
Probably he wouldn't get the same hate if he stayed a little more humble. One hater is an exception, two are a cohincidence, three or more probably have some ground for disliking.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
All I can say is LOL if the mob has chosen Day9 as their next target. Good luck with that....
Personally, I think Day9 is great and there's no way i'd still be playing/watching starcraft if it wasn't for his dailies.
You all need to get your nose out of his financial business - none of you have any right whatsoever to be questioning how he runs it. If you don't like him, don't support him.
Everything negative about Day9 that i've read in this thread REEKS of jealousy. Jealous comments from people who are nowhere as popular in the e-sports scene and don't make as much money.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
Then you're an utter fool.
Or a troll I guess.
If i don't think the same way you do, i am obviously of lower intelligence, or a troll.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
He uses explicit language, he discusses sex, he has breakdowns, he speaks like a teenaged girl dropping 'like' every other sentence and tries to keep a positive attitude while he works. Perfection never crossed my mind. Don't build false idols and you won't have to worry about the inevitable disappointment.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
That is not the case here, eventually more people will man up like 2GD and tell people how he behaves like a diva at live events, if not now then maybe in a month or in 6.
You've heard conflicting reports about his attitude at live events, why do you trust 2GD over the many other people that have worked with him and spoken well of him in this thread? Are you a huge 2GD fan or something?
You don't even have all the info, all you are going off of is what you heard from 2 people (Idra said hes a great person etc, not sure if you even watched his interview).
In fact, 2GD didn't even say anything bad about Day9's personality, just that hes well off (in a passive-aggressive, childish way, but SirScoots tore his ass apart for that so I won't get into it).
I'm really curious what your motivation is.
I am going of what i've been hearing for a long time, i don't have the patience to go get every twitch vod link, because it won't be needed. Eventually the shitfest will surface on it's own.
Assuming there is even a shitfest. All I'm reading from you is that you're crying about day9 not being perfect when he's not on air.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
Then you're an utter fool.
Or a troll I guess.
If i don't think the same way you do, i am obviously of lower intelligence, or a troll.
To reduce someones entire personality on the basis of a web show and video game casting is like believe that Barney ACTUALLY IS a dinosaur.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest.
When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?"
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
He uses explicit language, he discusses sex, he has breakdowns, he speaks like a teenaged girl dropping 'like' every other sentence and tries to keep a positive attitude while he works. Perfection never crossed my mind. Don't build false idols and you won't have to worry about the inevitable disappointment.
I was never disappointed, i could see right trough his fake antics right when they started.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
Then you're an utter fool.
Or a troll I guess.
If i don't think the same way you do, i am obviously of lower intelligence, or a troll.
To reduce someones entire personality on the basis of a web show and video game casting is like believe that Barney ACTUALLY IS a dinosaur.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
That is not the case here, eventually more people will man up like 2GD and tell people how he behaves like a diva at live events, if not now then maybe in a month or in 6.
You've heard conflicting reports about his attitude at live events, why do you trust 2GD over the many other people that have worked with him and spoken well of him in this thread? Are you a huge 2GD fan or something?
You don't even have all the info, all you are going off of is what you heard from 2 people (Idra said hes a great person etc, not sure if you even watched his interview).
In fact, 2GD didn't even say anything bad about Day9's personality, just that hes well off (in a passive-aggressive, childish way, but SirScoots tore his ass apart for that so I won't get into it).
I'm really curious what your motivation is.
I am going of what i've been hearing for a long time, i don't have the patience to go get every twitch vod link, because it won't be needed. Eventually the shitfest will surface on it's own.
Assuming there is even a shitfest. All I'm reading from you is that you're crying about day9 not being perfect when he's not on air.
Don`t mind the Dali troll.he is a just a shit.just flush the toilet and he will go away
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest.
When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?"
Really? Didn't think so.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
He made an offhand comment one time while playing Amnesia. He didn't even try to confirm that he's GM with every race. To take this as gospel and claim that he was asserting his position as being able to compete with progamers is silly.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
Sure. No one's perfect.
I know I personally have made mistakes from time to time; I'm not perfect. For what it's worth, in my interaction with him Day9 was respectful, kind, and friendly.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
Sure. No one's perfect.
I know I personally have made mistakes from time to time; I'm not perfect. For what it's worth, in my interaction with him Day9 was respectful, kind, and friendly.
I work with scumbags every day. I treat them with respect, I treat my co-workers with respect and I try to remain professional as often as I can. Doesn't mean I haven't told a few of them to go fuck off every so often.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest.
When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?"
Really? Didn't think so.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source.
No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit".
If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander.
Day[9] is one of the best people in eSports, I think. Of all the people for the community to go after, Day[9] seems to be one of the weirdest choices for the mob.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
Sure. No one's perfect.
Well, i don't agree, don't think most of his supporters would agree either.
Then go forth an thrust your phallus of justice into the sc2 scene and shower us in your sacred wisdom and truth:
"Behold Day9 is in fact not the messiah of human kind and has, maybe, maybe not, we aren't quite sure, been less than 100% pleasant and congenial at all time's in his life! And he makes money, that devil!"
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest.
When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?"
Really? Didn't think so.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source.
No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit".
If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander.
That was not what i was talking about, please atleast read the thread thoroughly before you reply.
Funny how this guy with his trying to protect day9 has actually stirred up way more debate. I for one did not even know of this before i read this thread.. Thanks i guess?
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
Sure. No one's perfect.
Well, i don't agree, don't think most of his supporters would agree either.
Then go forth an thrust your phallus of justice into the sc2 scene and shower us in your sacred wisdom and truth:
"Behold Day9 is in fact not the messiah of human kind and has, maybe, maybe not, we aren't quite sure, been less than 100% pleasant and congenial at all time's in his life! And he makes money, that devil!"
Praise smallerk, the prophet of truth!
You should try that on reddit, i heard circlejerking is a big thing over there.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest.
When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?"
Really? Didn't think so.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source.
No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit".
If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander.
That was not what i was talking about, please atleast read the thread thoroughly before you reply.
It doesn't matter, you specifically asked: "So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?" Which Day[9] has not been proven to actually do. You are just assuming stuff that never happened.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest.
When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?"
Really? Didn't think so.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source.
No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit".
If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander.
That was not what i was talking about, please atleast read the thread thoroughly before you reply.
Nice how you just dodge, when something isn't going your way.
Ok, what do you want to hear from me?
You've been criticizing day9 for not being the same person on and off camera and of him being a dick to co workers.
Day[9] is one of the best people in eSports, I think. Of all the people for the community to go after, Day[9] seems to be one of the weirdest choices for the mob.
Watching this, I continue to respect Day9. I think anyone who wants to comment further should watch this.
Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way.
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger?
I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time.
By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world.
So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest.
When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?"
Really? Didn't think so.
So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source.
No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit".
If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander.
That was not what i was talking about, please atleast read the thread thoroughly before you reply.
It doesn't matter, you specifically asked: "So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?" Which Day[9] has not been proven to actually do. You are just assuming stuff that never happened.
On May 24 2012 20:37 Arghmyliver wrote: My point here is that I think a lot of people aren't exactly hating on Day[9].
I think a lot of us have noticed a change in his demeanour/personality.
Money changes a man.Btw does anyone have any idea about Day9`s actual fortune or earnings or are we just talking form rumors.
What's curious to me is that the criticism breaks down to two statements that start with completely opposite observations to come to a very similar conclusion:
1) Day9 has changed. He's not the same anymore, and while he has played a huge role for the growth of the SC2 scene, his more topical contributions aren't sincere anymore. He's a sell-out, and his integrity is compromised by his financial success.
2) Day9 has not changed. Even though he has had tremendous success and has gained financially stability (to say the least), he's still presenting himself as a low-profile hobbyist. He's a sell-out, and his authenticity is compromised by his financial success.
I don't want to be nitpicking, and since I don't know him personally, I can't judge how big the difference between "Day9-the brand" and "Sean Plott-the entrepeneur" actually is... but am I the only one who's getting the impression that there's apparently no way in hell to do justice to both accusations at the same time?
I'm actually starting to think Day[9] has acted in an iffy manner, but not because of what that Lewis guy or what 2gd said (seriously, people shouldn't put too much emphasis on British sarcasm, I'm sure he didn't mean too much with it), but what Idra said. Idra is personal friends with Sean and he's very close with his brother. It makes no sense for him to lash out on him if it's not something that has happened. Also Greg doesn't seem to be the guy that would talk shit about people he knows if it wasn't true.
So maybe Sean does deserve some flack for the way he has acted/talked/whatever. I think the "hate" he is getting is severely overestimated though. He's still the most beloved community member we have in SC2-Esports. If anything some loud voices with criticism might humble him if he indeed has acted out, and if not I'm sure he will manage to look past the small portion of the community who dislike him.
EPT
I'm not even sure there should be any reason for me to give my opinion on his personal finances and life so all I'll say is: ♥ Day[9]
