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Hm, where does one start. Yes, I guess it is fairly diabolical of Day[9] to produce over 400 hours of completely free content while pretending to care about the Starcraft scene. Indeed, I find that this is why they call esports the most lucrative business in the world. "You want money, do esports", they all say.
I also find that it is an insult to common sense to suggest that he would do this.
And besides that, he's human. Does the fact that he maybe just didn't want to talk to anyone at that particular moment render his work false and useless? It goes against all logic to suggest that he would build up a reputation as a good BW foreigner pro, and then pour thousands of hours of work into what essentially amounts to maintaining the illusion that he is a nice guy, and that he cares about the esports industry.
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Lol how can someone actually hate Day9, plus people should stop thinking about how much he mades it does not concern them.You need to understand that Day9 invested quite a lot of his time in becoming now what he is today, it is really hard to do and achive at the same time.
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On May 24 2012 15:56 Jockmcplop wrote:
Coolcor you're missing the point completely. Use your common sense. The people who donate don't do so out of some sense of duty to Sean as a person, they do it because they enjoy the content, and believe that it deserves to be paid for. Some people simply subscribe so that they get a chance to take part in the monobattles. That little bit of text is what has caused all of this?
How pathetic.
No look at that page that is not the subscription link. http://day9.tv/tipjar/
It is below the subscription link and it is for people who are already subscribing to give even more. Thats why is says "offer additional support" Anyone who does it is not doing it for monobattles.
If the people do give him money just because they enjoy the content day9 has no reason to say
"The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV."
Why is day9 implying his business loses money? If his business is not losing money this is a very misleading sentence. Thats what I don't like it is misleading your most loyal fans to get more money that they would not give if they had more correct information.
f you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports,
He does not say the donation is to thank him for enjoying his content. It is to continue to grow esports. A very vague goal with no meaning besides imply he'd stop his efforts without donations. Would he quit esports all together without donations? I doubt it so I also find this misleading.
In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision.
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I randomly messaged Day9 out of the blue on battle net after a daily just to say hey I think you did a great job, and he not only just said "thanks" or ignored me, but he even talked with me for a bit, apologizing when he had to leave to eat.
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I don't think you can ever trust the guise of a media figure such as Day9 unless you're personally acquainted with them.
That's my 0.02$, I really don't care for the guy or his content anyway, not my cuppa tea.
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i only watched some funday mondays and his event casting, both are alright, the other dailies however were not my kind of style, i dislike when he pauses to make a looooooooong point that is either painfully obvious or plain wrong / at the very least arguable.
so he is what he is, not bad, not my favorite, if he makes a lot of money, gz wp gg? i do not give a shit on "how he apparently behaves behind the scenes" because this "information" might be tainted by envy or he just has no time / does not care / whatever... if his casting quality / following drops, his salary and job offers will as well, if he keeps going, then who are some hateful posters?
meh more drama for the sake of it.
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While I don't "hate" Day[9], I find him kind of fake. "Day[9]" is a completely persona different from Sean Plott, which I remember him actually stating in a Daily (when asked about if he would be put off by an interested female fan for a relationship, he said yes, stating Day[9] and Sean Plott are different people and she would only know the Day[9] persona).
I haven't watched the daily in some time because of this (except for maybe a Funday once in awhile) and would rather watch other streams (Destiny for example) of people being themselves, even if others don't like it. Day[9] very much made a character, almost Stephen Colbert-esq in a reimagining of himself. It doesn't feel natural to me so it just doesn't interest me.
The statements coming from 2GD, Richard and IdrA (whom, keep in mind, I'm no fan of) kind of add to that for me. I hardly think he needs to be lynched for it, but he needs to be re-examined perhaps. Day[9] is not the great superman savior of eSports who a lot of people think he is. Hes done a lot and put up some good stuff, but the sheer amount of praise and worship he gets is absolutely ridiculous.
Then again, I'm in the mindset that no one in eSports is a messiah, very few people do it "for eSports", they do it for their paycheck, which is fine, but masking it as doing some kind of greater good is dishonest and people I think are starting to get wind of that.
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On May 24 2012 16:11 Fyrewolf wrote:
The funny thing is, however much money Day[9] makes, he deserves more.
I don't see how he can even get haters. Seems more like lesser/unknown names within the community trying to get exposure for their show/zines by bashing such a popular figure. As for Idra criticisms they're pretty much meaningless, he thinks 99.9% of the world is full of idiots and retards.
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From the limited personal experience I've had with Sean I'll throw my 2cents in and say he was one of the most amazing people I've ever been around. Usually I don't give 2 shits about "celebrities"(lets just say) as I've met quite a few, but when I was around him he'd always make me so happy-nervous for whatever reason, yet, regardless of how I acted at events around him he was always so outgoing getting along with everyone.
MLG Columbus particularly stands out in my mind, even after all the sleep problems he had, he woke up incredibly early came out on the floor with everyone and just gave out high 5s and chatted with people. THAT stands out in my mind as someone going out of their way, without any scheduled appearances, just to meet and have fun with people. There was zero motivation for the actions, but he did it anyway.
Now, my 2cents about the flack. I think it's pretty important people keep in mind that certain people just are NOT compatible, not matter how you look at it.
Say for instance, you have a friend and he loves to hang out with this other guy and get all 3 of you together. However, you hate that other dude. When you're together with your friend you'd wish that other guy would just leave u alone/not exist. He hasn't particularly done anything to you, but you give him 'unwarrented' 'hate'. A lot of people subconciously just reject other people. It happens. I think looking for "good" reasons other than this are very VERY subjective and really just turn the matter into argument. I'd say people should just understand, hey, some people don't like him. So what? Why make a thread? If there is ever anything VERY wrong that happens I think the community will throw some nice backlash his way, it happens even with very liked players. ><
To me, it's pretty straight forward!
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Switzerland8970 Posts
I watched Day[9] daily #100 for the first time yesterday evening, and this guy is a hero of eSports.
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On May 24 2012 16:29 r4pture wrote:
While I don't "hate" Day[9], I find him kind of fake. "Day[9]" is a completely persona different from Sean Plott, which I remember him actually stating in a Daily (when asked about if he would be put off by an interested female fan for a relationship, he said yes, stating Day[9] and Sean Plott are different people and she would only know the Day[9] persona).
I haven't watched the daily in some time because of this (except for maybe a Funday once in awhile) and would rather watch other streams (Destiny for example) of people being themselves, even if others don't like it. Day[9] very much made a character, almost Stephen Colbert-esq in a reimagining of himself. It doesn't feel natural to me so it just doesn't interest me.
The statements coming from 2GD, Richard and IdrA (whom, keep in mind, I'm no fan of) kind of add to that for me. I hardly think he needs to be lynched for it, but he needs to be re-examined perhaps. Day[9] is not the great superman savior of eSports who a lot of people think he is. Hes done a lot and put up some good stuff, but the sheer amount of praise and worship he gets is absolutely ridiculous.
Then again, I'm in the mindset that no one in eSports is a messiah, very few people do it "for eSports", they do it for their paycheck, which is fine, but masking it as doing some kind of greater good is dishonest and people I think are starting to get wind of that.
Bolded that part but overall couldn't have said it better myself.
While it's true that there is some hate, day9 hardcores labelling any form of scrutiny or displeasure at anything he does as hating is annoying.
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Before reading this thread, I had no idea there was any hate going on towards Day[9]. I seriously think you're overreacting, much like it happened with Orb and Destiny. This attitude of the community - a certain hunger for drama, even going as far as searching for past accidents to fuel the fire - needs to stop. Period.
As for Day[9]'s "overly positive attitude", I would tend to disagree. His attitude is exactly as positive as it should be, and I believe that many people could use learning a bit from him about that.
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I honestly don't think that Day9 deserves any hate whatsoever regarding his income or personality.
However IMO the Daily content for the last half of the year or even more has been really dull and one-sided, much less deep than his old Beta toearly release Dailies and BW Dailies. More entertainment, much less game education. It doesn't really benifit ppl who are higher than plat or who have been watching it for a long time anymore.
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Blazinghand
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I think it's telling that a great deal of posts in this thread are various TLers, old and new, high postcount and low, coming forwards with personal stories of how Day9 is a great guy.
I think we all know what's up here.
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It's strange to hear such things about Day[9] - although I never donated, I enjoy dailies and his sense of humor in his YT videos. Right now I don't care how much he earns, simply because I never paid him. As for his behavior - there's few reasons why he could act improperly - being tired or something. Of course we should expect everyone (after so much drama with players' behavior) to act professionally. It's really the first time I hear someone calling Day[9] a 'primadonna' - I wonder how it looks in reality, in opinion of more people who met him after some events. Even if there will be some scratches on Sean's image, it still doesn't change a fact he contributes a lot to the game and community.
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On May 24 2012 16:23 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote:This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know). I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2. He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct. And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too. I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D this wins the thread :D
Please stfu about "winning threads", you post that shit on every thread. There's no such thing as winning a thread, it's about discussion. Please, really.
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So Reddit witch hunting for absolutely no reason because they really, REALLY want to be 4chan again?
A thread asking our opinion on Day9 isn't really needed in this case. I'd prefer talking about some way to contain the shit overflow from that site.
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Well, I am one of the people, who doesn't really like Day9, mainly probably because of the way he presents himself in his Dailies. On the surface it looks like he just wants to help the newbies getting better, or everybody to have a good time, or some other selfless reason. But whenever I watched the show, I got the feeling that it was more important to him to show himself to the crowd and present himself as often as he can than anything I mentioned before.
That being said, saying that I hate him is too much. I dislike him, stay away from his shows and that's all. I don't flame him, I don't insult him personally on forums. On that note, the aforementioned is just an opinion of mine, which might be based on a misunderstanding and be blatantly wrong.
On the other hand, I really do enjoy his casts in big events, he is a brilliant caster.
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Day[9] has been helping the StarCraft community for the longest time. There were his casts of the Chill/combatex grudge match, his analysis of the Bisu vs Savior OSl with NoNy, and his podcasts before he started doing his dailies. Do you know what makes Day[9] so amazing? Its that he's done so much more than anyone in the scene for StarCraft before esports started to blow up. All of those BW dailies were done out of his free will, and they were an amazing source of content for a year. No one in the community (besides possibly the TL stars and staff) has done more in helping the scene stay alive. I'm glad that our scene has evolved to a state where one can reward someone who had spent so much time making it what it is.
One thing that has always confused me is how much our community seems to be against people making money. If esports is to ever become successful, there is going to have to be money in the system, to not just provide an incentive to the players that give up their lives to compete, but so they can just simply survive. Every single professional has to make enough money to pay for their rent, to pay for their food, to just have the money to build the machines that will let them stream and practice. Its not like anyone is holding a gun to your head telling to watch a certain person. There is so much content in the StarCraft and wider esports world, if you don't like how someone is doing something, then feel free to move on.
I don't personally watch his dailies that often anymore (a mix of school and work often take up my time). But when it comes to casters for a major tournament, he is one the people I enjoy listening to the most. There are a plethora of casters out there, but there are only a few who have the talent and ability to cast a finals, and he happens to be one of them.
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So from this thread it appears that the only people that really dislike Day9 are people who he rubs the wrong way and assume he has some messiah complex. Ok, that could be true, or..... you could be a horrible judge of character.
The fact that people make judgements based on intuitions with little to no evidence is a fucking shame and you guys are idiots.
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