EPTA lot more of it would go back towards growing esports than what you donate to charities going to their cause.
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
A lot more of it would go back towards growing esports than what you donate to charities going to their cause. | ||
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vulhulla
United States16 Posts
Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things. The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once. I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:11 vulhulla wrote: OP Here. Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things. The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once. I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win. Please don't group TL in with Reddit, the users cross over slightly but It's mostly an entirely different group of people on each website. | ||
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Woizit
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Lunareste
United States3596 Posts
I have to ask, do any of you guys who are criticizing Sean spend hours and hours at work every day for free? If I spent many hours a day making a free show that will help people be better at their competitive hobby, a link to a place where said person may CONSIDER donating to you for your time and work is completely reasonable. There's nothing wrong with being popular because many people enjoy the work that you do, and there's nothing wrong with being paid to do what you love when a professional organization needs the kind of talents and exposure that you can provide. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:11 vulhulla wrote: OP Here. Let me clarify some things, since I guess I did a terrible job explaining things. The purpose of this was to try to say that I am kinda getting sick of being associated with all the shit storms from people on reddit and TL that seem to happen. (Day9 has just been the most recent). I am a person that happily sits at my computer and consumes Starcraft related content, and is quite happy to do so. If there is something that I don't enjoy watching, I don't watch and I move on. When I go over to reddit and read through some of the things that get posted, it just ticks me off most of the time. When the shows discuss said shit storms, I just feel embarrassed about the whole ordeal. Tonight I felt like speaking out for once. I am just sick of all this drama and was hoping to change a few minds on this subject. If I am just pouring more fuel on the fire, than I apologize. I just don't want to let the assholes win. Fight the good fight. Shit like this is out of control. How long will TL and r/sc allow ourselves to be the personal armies of alternative gaming communities? | ||
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vulhulla
United States16 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:12 Dodgin wrote: Please don't group TL in with Reddit, the users cross over slightly but It's mostly an entirely different group of people on each website. You're probably right. I guess I was hopping for more like minded people over here. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2. He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct. And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too. I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D | ||
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AndAgain
United States2621 Posts
The only thing I dislike about Day9 is that he seems to be one of those guys who enjoys the sound of his own voice a little too much. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:12 Dodgin wrote: Please don't group TL in with Reddit, the users cross over slightly but It's mostly an entirely different group of people on each website. The last witchhunt that nearly got Quantic's sponsors pulled was primarily led by TL posters, not r/sc. At this point, we don't have high ground to stand on. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
I guess you have read them in places NOT TL. So this thread belongs to those forums and not here. | ||
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blackhole12
42 Posts
Maybe Day9 capitalized on e-sports to get a career, but good for him as he has done more for e-sports than anyone else probably, so he deserves it. And so have Idra, InControl, Artosis for that matter. (they all deserve it too) It's kinda weak for Idra to criticize Day9 without mentioning what it's about anyway. :/ Also, you can't make a thread about stopping a witchhunt when none exists yet. Just some angry comments about Day9 in the depths of forum sections is not a witchhunt and if anything, this thread is the most likely thing to start it. Some criticisms shouldn't really need to be addressed as you make them more important than they are. | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
He sometimes asks for a lot of money to cast a big event ... either he's worth it or he's not. That's up to the event organisers to decide. Name one event that can't happen because Day9 is holding them over a barrel. "Sorry folks, no MLG Spring, Day9 refuses to cast!" What?? Day9 was once rude to 2GD for reasons unknown. That's not exactly killing puppies... People speculate that his level of skill isn't as high as they think it should be. I have yet to see one person contradict any of his statements or dispute the logic by which he makes them. Things like 'zerg cannot take 3 base and have roaches and have a lair by X time' do not require uber mechanics. It's a fact. It can't be done. What personal skill level to you need? If he was gold level but could make a bunch of accurate statements at any point in time about the current state of any game then what the fuck else do you need him to do? Rarely do I see him make a statement while casting that I think, 'hrmm, that's not right'. He has stated however that he practises with Sheth, so unless sheth just like to waste his time playing a scrub, I think it's fair to say Day9 has a decent level of competence. Either that or Day9 just lies a lot and hopes sheth doesn't notice... And lastly I have heard from multiple sources that Day9 is really nice at events, always making time for fans, etc etc. So I'm basically left with 'sounds like crap to me' Of course if evidence to the contrary appears I'll reassess, but until then, Day9 is the man!  | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
It's moments where back then, at some of the earlier MLGs BNet or the internet was down and Day9 continued to entertain everyone for.. . what, an hour? And that instead of going the unprofessional caster route, as some people would just continually bash Blizzard on the casting stage when incidents like that happen. It's stuff like that, that shows his professionalism and that he knows his shit. I can't listen to his Day9 dailies anymore (if they still exist) but do I have a problem if he made millions or billions of dollars as the first "eSports" guy? Not all. It's gonna be someone and he's definitely one who deserves it. I must imagine a lot people simply are a bit jealous. | ||
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VL-Orion
Indonesia78 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:54 ReachTheSky wrote: A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers! You are either a very good troll or a fucking moron , a handout implies that a person giving a lump sum to another without getting/expecting anyting in return. Day9 has his dailies which does not required you to donate, its a form of entertainment and you get to do monobattles with him as well should you choose to donate. Most major corporation(even those with billions of dollar yearly revenues) has the donation box and shamelessly offers nothing in return. Please kindly return to whatever hole you are from(presumably your parent basement) and rub those 2 small brain cells(if you have them) before posting retarded comments. If you are trolling however, you got me good. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:18 Primadog wrote: The last witchhunt that nearly got Quantic's sponsors pulled was primarily led by TL posters, not r/sc. At this point, we don't have high ground to stand on. No it wasn't, it was just posted on TL first and r/sc and /vg guys made accounts to fuel the fire. If you paid attention you would see the majority of posts were from low post count users and not people who are actual members of the TL community. Not saying TL never has stupid threads or dumb posters, but there's no mob mentality here that would cause such a thing. Reddit works this way because of the upvote/downvote system. | ||
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GeorgeyBeats
United Kingdom338 Posts
I am sure that before this furore it wasn't a public secret that he made a lot of money, anyone with a braincell could see his viewership numbers and a basic knowledge of twitch.tv and cpm to tell he is making a good bit of money. So the question now becomes, should people who do good things be rewarded financially for it? Yes, of course. He adds value to his content, with his personality, with his amicable nature, with his stories and his ability to draw new players into the game. I don't see him forcing the subscription things down his throat and on the many dailies I have seen, I haven't seen him insinuate anywhere that he is really poorly off. If you enjoy what people are doing and there is an ability to contribute to them monetarily, then go for it. The whole 2GD thing, anyone that has known his demeanour will know he is very jovial and that he says what he thinks and sometimes other this just for humorous purposes, as the britsh style of humour often goes.There is no need to take everything on purely face value however everyone needs to be criticised in order to improve. This criticism needs to be constructive and not just r/hate that seems to come out of reddit a lot. Idra also said 'take this with a pinch of salt' so didn't mean things all negatively. Basically; support who you want to support, make sensible and well informed decisions, make sure you understand things before you comment. And most of all, you all stay classy TL :D Edit: Also I'm sure 2GD will have met Day9 through his time at dreamhack and his work with twitch.tv, so they will have some sort of relationship/ tenuous experience of one another. | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know). I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2. He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct. And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too. I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D this wins the thread :D | ||
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BlindKill
Australia1508 Posts
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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