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On May 24 2012 20:55 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:53 Zoesan wrote:On May 24 2012 20:49 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:47 Desert Fox wrote:Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger? I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time. By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world. So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest. When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?" Really? Didn't think so. So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?
So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source.
No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit".
If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander.
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On May 24 2012 20:58 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:56 Desert Fox wrote:So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you? Sure. No one's perfect. Well, i don't agree, don't think most of his supporters would agree either.
Then go forth an thrust your phallus of justice into the sc2 scene and shower us in your sacred wisdom and truth:
"Behold Day9 is in fact not the messiah of human kind and has, maybe, maybe not, we aren't quite sure, been less than 100% pleasant and congenial at all time's in his life! And he makes money, that devil!"
Praise smallerk, the prophet of truth!
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On May 24 2012 21:01 Zoesan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:55 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:53 Zoesan wrote:On May 24 2012 20:49 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:47 Desert Fox wrote:Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger? I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time. By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world. So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest. When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?" Really? Didn't think so. So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you? So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source. No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit". If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander.
That was not what i was talking about, please atleast read the thread thoroughly before you reply.
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Funny how this guy with his trying to protect day9 has actually stirred up way more debate. I for one did not even know of this before i read this thread.. Thanks i guess?
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On May 24 2012 21:03 Dali. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:58 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:56 Desert Fox wrote:So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you? Sure. No one's perfect. Well, i don't agree, don't think most of his supporters would agree either. Then go forth an thrust your phallus of justice into the sc2 scene and shower us in your sacred wisdom and truth: "Behold Day9 is in fact not the messiah of human kind and has, maybe, maybe not, we aren't quite sure, been less than 100% pleasant and congenial at all time's in his life! And he makes money, that devil!" Praise smallerk, the prophet of truth!
You should try that on reddit, i heard circlejerking is a big thing over there.
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On May 24 2012 21:04 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 21:01 Zoesan wrote:On May 24 2012 20:55 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:53 Zoesan wrote:On May 24 2012 20:49 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:47 Desert Fox wrote:Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger? I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time. By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world. So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest. When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?" Really? Didn't think so. So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you? So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source. No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit". If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander. That was not what i was talking about, please atleast read the thread thoroughly before you reply.
It doesn't matter, you specifically asked: "So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?" Which Day[9] has not been proven to actually do. You are just assuming stuff that never happened.
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On May 24 2012 21:04 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 21:01 Zoesan wrote:On May 24 2012 20:55 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:53 Zoesan wrote:On May 24 2012 20:49 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:47 Desert Fox wrote:Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger? I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time. By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world. So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest. When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?" Really? Didn't think so. So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you? So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source. No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit". If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander. That was not what i was talking about, please atleast read the thread thoroughly before you reply.
Nice how you just dodge, when something isn't going your way.
Ok, what do you want to hear from me?
You've been criticizing day9 for not being the same person on and off camera and of him being a dick to co workers.
I responded to both of those points.
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
Watching this, I continue to respect Day9. I think anyone who wants to comment further should watch this.
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On May 24 2012 21:06 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 21:04 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 21:01 Zoesan wrote:On May 24 2012 20:55 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:53 Zoesan wrote:On May 24 2012 20:49 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:47 Desert Fox wrote:Why are you making it about me? Are you this fucking blind to think there is no truth about all of these things?
The way he behaves on his camera doesn't match the guy shoving hands i people's faces or behaving like a diva at events, that's all.If you want to keep being ignorant then so be it, i don't really care either way. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt and agreeing that all the evidence presented against Sean Plott is true. Why does it matter? You seek to spread the truth about him. I have accepted it. Now, why should I hold it against him? I ask you, do you expect him to be perfect? Has he stated he is perfect? Has he said he is incapable of anger? I suppose my point is: why do you honestly care if he has a few moments of rudeness? No one can be professional one hundred percent of the time. By the way he generally portrays himself on his daily, yes, i expect him to be a perfect human being, the nicest human being in the world. So you behave the exact same around everyone. When you go for a job interview, you start with your negative qualities, just to be honest. When you're going to meet your future in-laws are you gonna start with "I have a minor drinking problem and your daughter and I are probably gonna get divorced at some time?" Really? Didn't think so. So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you? So far the reported incidents can be counted on one hand, some of them not even confirmed by any even remotely credible source. No it's not ok to treat everyone like shit, but why is that even a discussion here. As someone already pointed out, day9 said "I can't talk right now" not "fuck off, you piece of fucking shit". If you don't like him, don't watch him, but making up crimes is useless and could be considered slander. That was not what i was talking about, please atleast read the thread thoroughly before you reply. It doesn't matter, you specifically asked: "So you are saying it's okay to act like a dick towards co-workers, people who are being paid to work for you?" Which Day[9] has not been proven to actually do. You are just assuming stuff that never happened.
I have every reason to make stuff up don't i.
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On May 24 2012 20:58 parduebob11 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:37 Arghmyliver wrote:
My point here is that I think a lot of people aren't exactly hating on Day[9].
I think a lot of us have noticed a change in his demeanour/personality. Money changes a man.Btw does anyone have any idea about Day9`s actual fortune or earnings or are we just talking form rumors.
What's curious to me is that the criticism breaks down to two statements that start with completely opposite observations to come to a very similar conclusion:
1) Day9 has changed. He's not the same anymore, and while he has played a huge role for the growth of the SC2 scene, his more topical contributions aren't sincere anymore. He's a sell-out, and his integrity is compromised by his financial success.
2) Day9 has not changed. Even though he has had tremendous success and has gained financially stability (to say the least), he's still presenting himself as a low-profile hobbyist. He's a sell-out, and his authenticity is compromised by his financial success.
I don't want to be nitpicking, and since I don't know him personally, I can't judge how big the difference between "Day9-the brand" and "Sean Plott-the entrepeneur" actually is... but am I the only one who's getting the impression that there's apparently no way in hell to do justice to both accusations at the same time?
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I'm actually starting to think Day[9] has acted in an iffy manner, but not because of what that Lewis guy or what 2gd said (seriously, people shouldn't put too much emphasis on British sarcasm, I'm sure he didn't mean too much with it), but what Idra said. Idra is personal friends with Sean and he's very close with his brother. It makes no sense for him to lash out on him if it's not something that has happened. Also Greg doesn't seem to be the guy that would talk shit about people he knows if it wasn't true.
So maybe Sean does deserve some flack for the way he has acted/talked/whatever. I think the "hate" he is getting is severely overestimated though. He's still the most beloved community member we have in SC2-Esports. If anything some loud voices with criticism might humble him if he indeed has acted out, and if not I'm sure he will manage to look past the small portion of the community who dislike him.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
20 pages later and I don't think this thread is doing anyone any good, closing.
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