On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
He doesn't ask for handouts, know your stuff before posting, please. He asks people to subscribe if they want to, they do not have to at all.
This topic is really stupid and just creates more unnecessary drama, Day9 worked his ass off to get to where he is now and still does work his ass off he deserves every penny he earns.Being a part of esports as a player,caster, or whatever, you need to earn money to survive, get over it people.
Every celebrity/person has their own rude moments, because theyre human. WTF is all this rage about? Judging from the drama threads lately, i dont blame him for being "politically correct".
On May 24 2012 15:35 dronefarm wrote: Well, if he's acting like a dick, he deserves to be made fun of and called out for it. If he's not, he shouldn't. It would be hard to imagine why people would risk their careers on calling out such a publicly loved figure if it wasn't true, so I guess he deserves to be called out.
Or maybe he was busy at that time? Or he's not in a good mood? I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to be rude at that time but listening to only one side of argument and judge it solely on that is kinda not rational.
Well, multiple people are saying it, so if there's a pattern, it's probably habitual thing.
I think people blow it out of proportion how much money he makes. He is still in the same house since he started the dailies, living with several roommates. If he is getting paid as well as people say, don't you think he would at least move into a location that would provide a more professional presentation? (No sirens, helicopters, or planes?)
In the end, who cares how much money he makes. if he makes 6 figures annually, then that is absolutely amazing and I am proud of him. Nobody deserves it more than him.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he has tons of money and doesn't need yours?
Should probably focus more on your own success, reaching your own goals, instead of giving what little you have to someone who's already extremely successful. Giving him money is making a point, sure, but so is watching his stream or saying nice things about him; money is a greasy way to give a shit, and totally unnecessary in the case of day9.
This is the weirdest thing I've read in a while.
You're probably right, that $5 those folks ponied up is really going to keep them and their kids out of college.
There are various reasons someone would wish to donate to something, regardless of the financial circumstances of either party.
Yeah, the guy talks like I'm fucking Oliver Twist rofl
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
So true. The Day9 Daily is a FREE show that he puts on for the community. If you donate to him, you also get perks of being able to play monobattles and stuff with him. He's money grubbing so hard it comes around the other end of the spectrum so that he doesn't even charge you for the content which costs him tons of time, effort, volunteers, and money.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
Only thing I've seen from day9 was his vid guffawing at people losing to cannon rush which was, on the one hand, overdone and annoying, but on the other was a good catch and decent analysis. His personality could do with some coming down to earth. BUt really who cares. If you don't like his vids don't watch.
Edit: if he told me to talk to the hand at an "e sports" event I would be pissed too. But it's all hearsay.
Coolcor you're missing the point completely. Use your common sense. The people who donate don't do so out of some sense of duty to Sean as a person, they do it because they enjoy the content, and believe that it deserves to be paid for. Some people simply subscribe so that they get a chance to take part in the monobattles. That little bit of text is what has caused all of this? How pathetic.
If I remember correctly, the last real donation drive was done by the incentive of reddit who basically plopped a ton of money into his lap out of good will. I don't think the guy really ever begged for donations rather than the usual "if you like what you see go ahead and send some over cause that'd be great". I don't think he does that anymore since he has that voluntary subscription fee as well as appearance fees and ad revenue.
The community is throwing a tantrum over nothing as usual over issues that really have no impact on the scene.
Day9 and his shows exist only because of younger part of the community and lower level players. He is actually making money and seizing the opportunity HE created for himself as much as he can. That's a fact. Also, nothing wrong with that - that's apparently what this world is all about, isn't it? IMO he is sometimes a great caster - when he is in good mood and a great master of ceremony. I just don't like the other stuff, he is too fluffy and too politicaly correct, imo that means being a phony.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
If it's not right, don't donate. I think you're the one with the tunnel view on things.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
This comment is cool -- it's like you're putting the infamous ignorance-argument into a sentence full of it.
On May 24 2012 15:56 Jockmcplop wrote: Coolcor you're missing the point completely. Use your common sense. The people who donate don't do so out of some sense of duty to Sean as a person, they do it because they enjoy the content, and believe that it deserves to be paid for. Some people simply subscribe so that they get a chance to take part in the monobattles. That little bit of text is what has caused all of this? How pathetic.
Yes. this.
It's very clear that the return in funds to Day 9 is because the people like what he does. Then prefer to show it through money than any other way.
I think there is little hate towards Day9, I think it's more everyone realizing that his not a godsend now that we have a fairly saturated market in terms of casters. I think it's just that simple. I don't know why people are being so vocal about it, but now his just another caster in my eyes.
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"?
I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything.
James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes. He's also been a caster for ESL, casting cs 1.6 and such..
You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason.
Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports.
Oh, & if you don't know what I'm referring to:
James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh.
But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion.
I was going off of the false info that it was 2gd and it's since been corrected that it's Richard Lewis, he's probably a cool guy as you say. The point I was making is that some who is so shallow in their opinion forming as to base it off of hearsay and a single meeting is not the kind of opinion that is worth listening too, as there is no substantial thought or intelligence that was actually put into it before it was formed.
if you go up to someone and say try to say hi and they are rude enough to tell you to talk to the hand, thats pretty fucking rude. if thats the only time youve tried to talk to them, and thats what they did, then you have a pretty good basis to judge them, as in 100% of your experiences they have been a shitter. other than that, he does seem pretty pleased with himself all the time, which is just irritating. just like 2gd said, hes done alot for esports, and alot for himself.
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing 2gd:
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum.
Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"?
I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything.
James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes. He's also been a caster for ESL, casting cs 1.6 and such..
You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason.
Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports.
James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh.
But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion.
I was going off of the false info that it was 2gd and it's since been corrected that it's Richard Lewis, he's probably a cool guy as you say. The point I was making is that some who is so shallow in their opinion forming as to base it off of hearsay and a single meeting is not the kind of opinion that is worth listening too, as there is no substantial thought or intelligence that was actually put into it before it was formed.
if you go up to someone and say try to say hi and they are rude enough to tell you to talk to the hand, thats pretty fucking rude. if thats the only time youve tried to talk to them, and thats what they did, then you have a pretty good basis to judge them, as in 100% of your experiences they have been a shitter. other than that, he does seem pretty pleased with himself all the time, which is just irritating. just like 2gd said, hes done alot for esports, and alot for himself.
You should never judge anyone based solely on a single sole experience. There are an almost infinite number of reasons why the incident played out the way it did. One incident of mild rudeness which everyone has done at least once in their lives(everyone has at some point been curt and short with someone because you were late/had to go to the bathroom/had a headache/etc) is no basis to form an opinion on who that person is.
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok?
Dem esports dollars. He so rich omg how come he have a donation link like hundreds of players? I pay a whole cent in advertising revenue each time i watch his stream and now he ASKS ME FOR MONEY? This little donation box is easily comparable to begging someone on the street for a donation. It's the exact same thing right?
Your attitude disgusts me.
A Hand out is a hand out. Just because its eloquently dressed up doesn't make it right. Your either blind to the reality of the situation or you just don't know better. Either way your IGNORANCE disgusts me. :D cheers!
It's not a "hand out", it's a way for you to voluntarily pay him for his content.
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