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Yourmomsbasement
Canada87 Posts
Add me to the list of people that had no idea anyone was hating on Sean. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:22 zhurai wrote: ? people are hating on day9? this is literally the first time I've ever seen that. Third time for me: - This 'incident' - Some sc2 fans hating on him for making money - Some BW fans calling him a sellout for making money I'm definitely not against making money. And this incident, well it's probably a big fat nothing. I often don't have time to listen to the Heart Foundation tell me about themselves whilst I'm walking to work, but it doesn't mean I'm against their charity. That's what this feels like honestly... | ||
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vulhulla
United States16 Posts
I am just trying to say that, as part of these communities, it just irks me that I get lumped into the same group as the idiots and assholes. Sorry if its a bit ranty, just needed to vent a bit. | ||
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
He claims he is GM in all 3 races yet has never provided proof of this. And the only games he ever streams of himself are like Amnesia and Diablo 3. Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Mesha
Bosnia-Herzegovina439 Posts
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LMG
9 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:17 Fyrewolf wrote: Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"? I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything. James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes. He's also been a caster for ESL, casting cs 1.6 and such.. You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason. Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports. Oh, & if you don't know what I'm referring to: James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh. But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. | ||
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Dbla08
United States211 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:25 IMNasty wrote: doh you're absolutely right fixingthat's not 2GD, that's the editor richard lewis. 2GD was something totally different: http://www.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/319039733?t=2h1m15s and here's idra: starts at 47:15 so basically 3 different figures from totally unrelated areas of esports on day9 | ||
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dronefarm
United States260 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:20 Torte de Lini wrote: If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause? Because he should be using that money instead... | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On May 24 2012 15:33 LMG wrote: On May 24 2012 15:17 Fyrewolf wrote: Really? Based on one meeting and a bunch of hearsay he forms an opinion that he is the "rudest person in esports" and a "prima donna"? I don't know who this 2gd is but if that's the way he goes about things I'd never listen to his opinion on anything. James "2GD" Harding is a caster for quake, he used to be a professional player himself. James always speaks his mind and I bet he has his reasons for saying such things. Not listening to his opinion on anything? He's probably one of the smartest guys around in the world of e-sports, the guy has send players to tournaments with his own money without ever asking anything back, he started a project some time ago called "The Arena" for quake live and so far it's been a succes. You've never heard of him, even though he's had inControL, apollo etc... on his show(s) before, so I'm wondering if you ever watch anything else, read anything else but stuff you get to watch/read on TL. Sure, James can be a bit too harsh at times, but I'd rather have him sitting next to me than someone who acts all friendly when the camera's aimed on him and once the camera moves away acts like an utter ****. Not saying day9's like that, but I know for a fact James isn't the kind of person to say something like that without a good reason. Though I do believe this thread is blowing things out of proportion really, I didn't see any thread about james saying "incontrol, you were out of control with your weight" on his show, but when it's about day9 holy crap stop the presses, anarchy all the way and let's start hating on one of the coolest guys in history of e-sports. Oh, & if you don't know what I'm referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74INQOGIVzc James can go a bit too far sometimes, I've noticed this for a very long time, but he usually does apologize when he knows he went too far, it's in the heat of the moment when all the guys were joking & suddenly a very harsh joke comes out of his mouth.. Shit happens and I know he usually does apologize when he realises he went too far or said something incredibly harsh. But yeah, this whole thing is getting blown out of proportion. Hahaha, "Sad Violin", always a good BGM to put in a video :D | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:30 TheWorldToCome wrote: Also when he is on SOTG he comes across as very phony IMO. If a discussion ever goes towards anything remotely controversial (like balance) he just seems to give a PR type response which is frustrating. It would be great to hear his thoughts on these types of things once in a while. The fact of the matter is, Day9 is a businessman, and if there's something really controversial, he doesn't want to alienate viewers. Given how bad things have gone for public figures with loose tongues... well, I think I can respect a man who keeps his cards close to his chest. FWIW I think he's said that Sc2 is well-balanced a few times on his dailies. Again, I'd like to reiterate that Day9 in my personal experience is a pretty normal, nice guy. I'm nobody special, but he took some time to introduce himself to me and tried to even learn my game when I met him at the King of Palantir Tourney that he casted with Spanishiwa.To the fans and other players he was courteous and polite. He even grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He comes off as a chill bro and very amicable. I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never seen him be anything but courteous and kind. | ||
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Pantythief
Denmark657 Posts
On May 24 2012 14:55 vulhulla wrote: Greetings fellows TLer's. Kind of a long time lurker, but I consider myself part of the "silent majority" that people often refer to and figured I might as well try to voice some opinions and reason. The main topic is all of the recent hate and flack that has been thrown out lately towards Day[9]. Some of the main focus points that are pointed to are the amount of money that people think he makes, and his demeanor/personality. I'd like to see if I can break down these things so that I can understand where all of this is coming from, if only for my own sanity. So, people apparently have an issue with the amount of money that Sean makes. Since none of these numbers are public knowledge, all there is is speculation and rumors. From what I can infer, his SC2 related income comes from his stream (both adds and the subscriptions), his VODs on blip and you tube, casting events, and selling shirts. Bear in mind that all of these incomes probably go towards his small business and not directly to him. And being a business, I am sure that he has quite a bit of expenses including paying employees and various bits of infrastructure involved in making the business work. Do any of you out there know what it costs to run this type of business? Are you in a position to criticize a person for how he runs his company? Are you involved in maintaining and growing the brand that he has created and built from scratch? I am pretty sure that the answer to these for 99.99% of us is no. I sure as hell don't claim to know what the financial situation for his business is and it's frankly none of my business. Although he is a public figure in our community, he is still running and maintaining a private company? Would you ask your local bar/restaurant how much the owner makes just because you eat there? Probably not. So until Day[9]tv becomes a public company, none of us have any right to demand to knowledge of it's financials. Period. The other topic that has recently popped up is his persona and how he is somehow portraying a fake image to the community. While taking public criticism is part of being a public figure, I am still not sure what the outrage is all about? Are people upset that they hear stories and rumors about how he acts "behind the scenes"? That "he has changed so much since the daily 10"? Seriously? These are the issues that people have? While I can only speculate what he is like to work with, I will say that I have absolutely zero idea what it is like to work as a caster at a major tournament. This is true for, again, 99.99% of us. None of us know what sort of mental or physical stress happens after casting for 8-10 hours for 3 days. Also, how many of you are exactly the same person while at work as you are when you're at home? How about even alone compared to with your parents? Every single one of us has different personality hats that we wear that fit the situation we're currently in and I'd imagine that it is especially true for public figures and entertainers. I can pretty safely say that Artosis or djWHEAT will not act the same in from of a camera as they do when just chilling with they wife/gf. As far as acting different compared to the early dailies, let me propose this: how many of you would honestly say that you act the exact same way that you did 3 years ago? How about from when you first started at your job, did you act the same as you do now? There is so much that happens in life that will change how we all act, and it is a very slow change. I am just curious why people need to hold Sean to a higher standard when it comes to this. Everybody changes, and hopefully they will change for the better. At the end of the day, every one of us is left with a choice when it comes to our time and money: watch and support the things you believe in. Posting shit on /r/starcraft and on TL probably won't change anything about you, or even the person you're trying to bitch at. In the end it just makes the rest of us look bad, and I am getting sick of being associated with all the jackasses and hate-mongers out there that feel the need to shit on people in the community. I'm not sure I understand -- is this thread a direct question (or rant) towards the 0.01 percent of the StarCraft community who you're guessing doesn't like Sean? Isn't this a blog, too, by the way? | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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Man with a Plan
United States401 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote: From cadred interviewing richard lewis (editor of cadred): http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/164576/ Also 2gd commented on day9 here: http://www.twitch.tv/thegdstudio/b/319039733?t=2h1m15s And Idra made some comments in real talk. And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum. Thanks for the details and for watching over this thread Plexa | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok? What? He produces Dailies that people can watch for free and ask for people to donate for it if they like. That's not a problem at all. Yeah, he got other jobs but that's not involve with making dailies and accepting donation for it at all. On May 24 2012 15:35 dronefarm wrote: Well, if he's acting like a dick, he deserves to be made fun of and called out for it. If he's not, he shouldn't. It would be hard to imagine why people would risk their careers on calling out such a publicly loved figure if it wasn't true, so I guess he deserves to be called out. Or maybe he was busy at that time? Or he's not in a good mood? I'm not saying that it's impossible for him to be rude at that time but listening to only one side of argument and judge it solely on that is kinda not rational. | ||
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Stanlot
United States5742 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok? Where/when was this? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:35 Silvertine wrote: Because he should be using that money instead... Yeah, and? How does that dictate whether I want to give to something or someone I like? The connection still isn't made. Whether he uses the money or not doesn't really change my decision if I am basing my money on things I value. I feel his stuff has value, thus I will give it what I feel it is owed. I'm not saying I do this or not, but there is no logical point between what I'm saying and you're trying to imply. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9332 Posts
On May 24 2012 15:30 ReachTheSky wrote: Day9 asking for handouts is pathetic. The guy graduated college right? He owns his own business. And he is asking for handouts? In what world is this acceptable? He is a working man, asking for handouts. Homeless people ask for handouts. Day9 is abusing the community to make an extra buck. Handouts, cmon people. do you really think this is ok? I'm pretty sure that you can subscribe to any stream. That means that any pro gamer asking for handouts deserves your rage too, no? | ||
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