I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
I just want to throw this idea out there. When you become as famous as Day[9] has become you have people that overexaggerate and do these sorts of things for whatever reason. An example of this is how that one girl said Justin Bieber got her pregnant and it was later found out that he clearly was not the father. Just an idea, but this could be a situation like that.
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
While I think that Day9's success has wildly exceeded what his shows/commentary/persona are really worth (you could say that he indeed was in the right place at the right time), especially lately, I wouldn't say there is much hate on him. More like hate on the most fanatic of his fanboys maybe?
This seems like an enormous over reaction. I'm not sure what the purpose of the OP was really. Is Day9 in some sort of depression about it and needs your help to get over it? Just relax, nothing is going to happen because of a few people being jealous of him.
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
On May 24 2012 14:59 Mr Showtime wrote: Making your own thread with this type of content is not a productive approach to the issue.
As someone who is new to the community what would you say is a a productive approach? I agree with the points the OP has said and in my limited experience would say that the hate in this community is certainly not an isolated incident with Day 9, i.e. JP with the SOTG/MLG episode, Destinty, Orb and many others.
The way I see, there is no sort of community discussion that need take place here. Everyone has an opinion of everyone. Blowing up small issues like this only makes it worse. There's a reason why Plexa left the disclaimer that this thread will close if it goes south, which is quite likely with this type of thing.
I'm not against discussions of issues. That's what the community is for. I'm against giving this small topic its own thread. It's unnecessary attention.
Had no idea Day9 was getting hate, and people shouldn't draw too many conclusions from meeting people once. If you met him in a tournament where he had to cast a few days straight with jetlag and not much sleep I wouldn't call it shocking if he wasn't his usual self but rather on a bad mood.
Now of course I don't know any better than anyone else here but lets keep the pitchforks sheated for now.
Also checked the cadred link and that indeed doesn't look like 2gd wtf, I'm confused.
On May 24 2012 15:13 419fish wrote: I hope Sean is a millionaire. why is making money a bad thing if he is making lots of money its because he has added value to our lives. wealth is created not taken so Day 9 making lots of money at tournaments does not take away money from the players. if players are undervalued it's because we are greedy and don't want to pay for the great services they provided.
So you would be fine if all millionaires started asking for personal donations to their for profit buisnesses to achieve a vague goal because the costs are to high no matter how profitable that business actually is? Or is it just day9 who can do that because he is funny.
If I liked the millionaire personally, what he was doing and his content, sure I'd donate. I don't understand, does somehow him having XYZ amount of money deter my interest in contributing to his cause?
Because he has tons of money and doesn't need yours?
Should probably focus more on your own success, reaching your own goals, instead of giving what little you have to someone who's already extremely successful. Giving him money is making a point, sure, but so is watching his stream or saying nice things about him; money is a greasy way to give a shit, and totally unnecessary in the case of day9.
It seems that people are aching for drama, since there hasn't really been that much of it lately. Day9 is still one of the most popular casters, his daily gets a decent amount of views, and overall people generally like him. One person claims to have a bad "experience" with him and a shit like this happens.
Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
Saying Day[9] is at the right place at the right time is just absurd. He's in the BW scene for a very long time, doing Daily on BW even before SC2 was in the beta because of his love of SC. Sure, SC2 becomes popular and he's profit a lot from it but that's partly because him help growing up the scene too. He distinguishes himself well, have skill to communicate so he becomes popular. If that's wrong, I don't know what to say anymore.
I'm open to everything - after all, orb seems nice as a caster, but his ladder rage can be also apparent. That said, I'm still skeptical regarding the Day9 bashing.
1: If this is true, why haven't random people hated on Day9 before? Or reported their personal incidents of Day9 abuse? People were all too eager to report that Xeris stole some fan's chairs - why has there been literally zero other statement of an encounter with Day9? Now, 2GD's statement says that it's almost culturally taboo to hate on Day9 - but let's be real. This is the internet. People are anonymous, and people are random people in the community with no stake to lose - so why haven't they chimed in?
2: There are frequent reports of the opposite behavior. Blazinghand's post above corroborates this. I also recall posts from NASL where people mentioned Day9 behaving with the utmost friendliness in person at the grand final. It's not like Day9 is bribing these people to make these posts (and if you believe this, then you're pretty far off the crazy conspiracy border over there).
3: RE: Idra's statement on Day9. If anything, that contradicts 2GD's statement (Idra directly says that Sean is a great guy, his concern is simply financial). I mean, in my opinion I think 2GD's just jumping to assumptions and taking things out of context (after all, from his interview it looks like that one encounter is literally the only interaction he's had with Day9, and we don't have anyone here to corroborate or clarify the events that happened there). I mean, from his show and appearances at a couple events, 2GD seems chill, but he doesn't seem the person to be exactly serious and rigorous about his reports, he seems more of a joker (in a good way).
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