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Alexj
Ukraine440 Posts
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MadVillian
United States127 Posts
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r4pture
United States397 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:29 r4pture wrote: While I don't "hate" Day[9], I find him kind of fake. "Day[9]" is a completely persona different from Sean Plott, which I remember him actually stating in a Daily (when asked about if he would be put off by an interested female fan for a relationship, he said yes, stating Day[9] and Sean Plott are different people and she would only know the Day[9] persona). I haven't watched the daily in some time because of this (except for maybe a Funday once in awhile) and would rather watch other streams (Destiny for example) of people being themselves, even if others don't like it. Day[9] very much made a character, almost Stephen Colbert-esq in a reimagining of himself. It doesn't feel natural to me so it just doesn't interest me. The statements coming from 2GD, Richard and IdrA (whom, keep in mind, I'm no fan of) kind of add to that for me. I hardly think he needs to be lynched for it, but he needs to be re-examined perhaps. Day[9] is not the great superman savior of eSports who a lot of people think he is. Hes done a lot and put up some good stuff, but the sheer amount of praise and worship he gets is absolutely ridiculous. Then again, I'm in the mindset that no one in eSports is a messiah, very few people do it "for eSports", they do it for their paycheck, which is fine, but masking it as doing some kind of greater good is dishonest and people I think are starting to get wind of that. Quoting myself to add that I find the complete and utter refusal to show ANY of his playing in anything besides utter silliness is disappointing at least, perhaps dishonest at most. No one here has ever seen Sean play seriously. Its never been shown, and likely never will be. I simply don't understand why people worship a Starcraft figure they've never actually seen play Starcraft. | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
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fraktoasters
United States617 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:26 coolcor wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2012 15:56 Jockmcplop wrote: Coolcor you're missing the point completely. Use your common sense. The people who donate don't do so out of some sense of duty to Sean as a person, they do it because they enjoy the content, and believe that it deserves to be paid for. Some people simply subscribe so that they get a chance to take part in the monobattles. That little bit of text is what has caused all of this? How pathetic. No look at that page that is not the subscription link. http://day9.tv/tipjar/ It is below the subscription link and it is for people who are already subscribing to give even more. Thats why is says "offer additional support" Anyone who does it is not doing it for monobattles. If the people do give him money just because they enjoy the content day9 has no reason to say "The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating Day[9]TV." Why is day9 implying his business loses money? If his business is not losing money this is a very misleading sentence. Thats what I don't like it is misleading your most loyal fans to get more money that they would not give if they had more correct information. f you have the means to offer additional support so that Day[9] can continue his efforts to grow eSports, He does not say the donation is to thank him for enjoying his content. It is to continue to grow esports. A very vague goal with no meaning besides imply he'd stop his efforts without donations. Would he quit esports all together without donations? I doubt it so I also find this misleading. In conclusion I don't think is nice to write very misleading statements when asking for donations. Non misleading donation requests are ok because the donor has true information to make their decision. The attacks on Day[9] are frivolous even for esports witch hunts. You guys should just turn your hunt to someone else. | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know). I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2. He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct. And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too. I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D To be clear, I have no problem with him making money from SC2 if people are willing to give him money. Claims about whether he's actually passionate, or whether he's merely making money off it because he can, are somewhat up for grabs. Korean progamers who play SC2 switched in many cases purely because they had a higher chance of success and of making money (I'm not referring to the KeSPA switch now, but back near the start of SC2). I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but it's good to acknowledge the truth at least. I don't think anyone denies that he had a big passion for BW. That said, the way he handles SC2 vs BW is completely different. In BW, he was always primarily a player. He played the game publicly (well, as publicly as BW was played; there weren't all the streams back then  ), and was quite good at it. As someone who also played the game a lot because I loved doing so (not that I was near as good as he was), it's tough for me to comprehend that someone who enjoyed playing the game so much would suddenly be content to switch to a different game and be equally passionate, and yet not get involved in playing it the same way.Obviously I don't have any actual decisive evidence in either direction. I'm not a Day[9] hater (although I wouldn't classify myself as a Day[9] lover either), but I certainly can't proclaim that he does it for the love of the game; numerous things, from the way AHGL was run, to his complete lack of (apparent) playing, say to me that a large part of his motivation for how he acts is money, not some great love of the game. And there's nothing wrong with that, I just like to call an apple an apple. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:46 EZBreeZ wrote: Day9 seems to try too hard to be someone else in my opinion. I feel like he tries to bottle up his personality and plays a front of a super happy teletubbie. Am I the only one that thinks this? Are you new to the community? Do you even know who Day9 is, or was in BW? He acted the same in 2005 as he does in 2012. He acts different, but he has always acted that way even before he was making money or was a community figure. Much of the hate is from people who only know him from the daily, and assume his positivity etc is an act. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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MadVillian
United States127 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know). I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2. He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct. And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too. I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D This should be edited into the OP imo. | ||
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:18 Primadog wrote: The last witchhunt that nearly got Quantic's sponsors pulled was primarily led by TL posters, not r/sc. At this point, we don't have high ground to stand on. QFT, i browse both TL and r/sc (mostly lurking on both) and I feel that lately there has been equal amount or even more ridiculous drama on TL than on reddit. On some occasions r/sc felt like a voice of reason, now what does that tell me about TL...? The good thing is though, I can't get downvoted here for saying something like that (: Oh and btw I don't think the two are separated communities, I'm sure there are many people who visit both sites. | ||
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dronefarm
United States260 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote: This whole thread is stupid. Even if Day9 has been rude to a guy before (whether that story is true or untrue), who hasn't? It happens sometimes. Especially during a LAN event where you're working A LOT (Dreamhack notoriously over-works the casters) and are absolutely exhausted at the end of the day, maybe you let something slip and do something you might regret later. Everyone does stupid things, and celebrities are no exception. Either way, that incident is: a) not a big deal, everyone's been in the situation before, b) unfortunate that it's even come this far (trust me I know). I also think it's silly that people talk about his persona being fake. It actually isn't at all. I've known Sean since 2005, we used to car-pool to SoCal LAN events together, I was his manager on the USA national team in BW, and I'd have to call him every weekend to make sure he showed up to matches because he always overslept. He's always been the same. What you see when he's on camera isn't a persona, it's just how he is. He loves Starcraft. He literally can't stop talking about it. I remember when I was practicing for WGF 2008 and I wanted advice on build orders I called Sean and we talked for a longass time about a specific PvZ build on Requiem (you can read about it here, from one of his first ever podcasts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99950). He'll talk about Starcraft with anyone. He used to have OSL/MSL viewing parties at his apartment when he went to USC, he played for the USC CSL team in Season 1, he coached their CSL team in Season 2. He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct. And I'm sure he makes money from SC - this is his full time job. He has employees and staff that help him plan events, do bookings, and help promote esports. He pays these people out of his pocket with money that he earns. He also has to live, too. I literally can't say enough about how amazing Sean is as a person, friend, and anchor/spokesperson of our community. People need to back off and realize that everyone has their bad days, and it's really hard to put on a daily show the way he does. So ya, he's not fake at all.. he's just genuinely addicted to this game, he lives and breathes it! :D He's also really funny, which helps a lot :D The whole money thing is stupid, because obviously that has no bearing on anything. I think if it's legitimately true that he is pretty rude to staff/production/whatever (as talked about in the article linked on the first page), then it's probably a good thing that it's brought out and he fixes it; not in an esports sense, but as a person. I know I'd be pretty upset if I was some no-name guy working at an esports event and someone was really rude to me but I couldn't say anything about it because it would be career suicide. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
I am sure many still like Mel Gibson, who likes to drive drunk and throws around anti-Semite comments. Transformers staff members have openly claimed that Megan Fox is a thankless, unfriendly bitch. Now I am sure you'd all still like to bang her like there was no tomorrow. The people who run all this gaming-soon-to-be-business are no saints. The only person who really, genuinely seems to not have skeletons in the closet is white-ra. Even Grubby, who seems so nice today has, in the past during his wc3 career thrown out pretty hardcore comments to some opponents, calling them german nazi assholes (no 100% quote, browse the web to check the exact conversation). I'd even watch Day9 if he ate children and ravaged the graves of our ancestors, because I am very much entertained by all the shenanigans he has been doing in the past few years. Awesome !! | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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Jepsyn
Canada364 Posts
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:49 Jinsho wrote: If there are several reports about him being an ass at live events, and there are tons of people thinking his show is more about himself than SC2, then maybe there is some truth to it. But no, let's all get up on our high horse and shout loud and clear from all the rooftops: Day9 saved esports, so he may not be criticised. People who know him and have met him are saying he's an okay dude. Your backup is IdrA. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:52 dronefarm wrote: The whole money thing is stupid, because obviously that has no bearing on anything. I think if it's legitimately true that he is pretty rude to staff/production/whatever (as talked about in the article linked on the first page), then it's probably a good thing that it's brought out and he fixes it; not in an esports sense, but as a person. I know I'd be pretty upset if I was some no-name guy working at an esports event and someone was really rude to me but I couldn't say anything about it because it would be career suicide. As someone who staffed MSI Battlegrounds with Day9 two weeks ago, I'll testify that Day9 do not act as a prima donna with the staff. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:52 dronefarm wrote: The whole money thing is stupid, because obviously that has no bearing on anything. I think if it's legitimately true that he is pretty rude to staff/production/whatever (as talked about in the article linked on the first page), then it's probably a good thing that it's brought out and he fixes it; not in an esports sense, but as a person. I know I'd be pretty upset if I was some no-name guy working at an esports event and someone was really rude to me but I couldn't say anything about it because it would be career suicide. Day9 in my experience was nothing but reasonable and kind. I had the opportunity to meet Day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:50 zefreak wrote: Are you new to the community? Do you even know who Day9 is, or was in BW? He acted the same in 2005 as he does in 2012. He acts different, but he has always acted that way even before he was making money or was a community figure. Much of the hate is from people who only know him from the daily, and assume his positivity etc is an act. Edit: Never mind I actually don't care about this at all. | ||
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Shaddar
675 Posts
On May 24 2012 16:54 RockIronrod wrote: People who know him and have met him are saying he's an okay dude. Your backup is IdrA. Idra said he was a good guy despite criticising him on some things Edit: And I'm sure Idra would have something to say about someone like 2GD saying Day9 is doing things for himself | ||
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