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On May 24 2012 19:20 storkfan wrote:
I think the whole problem is related to SC2 fans being largely a group of late teens/college age guys. Among whom a large proportion are liberals. Now not to make it political but social ideologies generally have a lot of envy associated, anti-profit, egalitarian ideas that are against personal financial success. I think a lot of people would do well to reconsider their world view and maybe try to be less hostile against people trying to make riches.
Liberal doesn't mean communist.
I'm liberal and I'm not anti-profit. I just believe in taking some of the profits and spending them on worthwhile things, like not letting people get bankrupted if they get sick, and I believe in staying out of people's personal lives.
This anti-profit sentiment is not even ideological, it's just infantile nonconformity by people who live in their parents' basements and say that anyone making a living doing X is a sellout.
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On May 24 2012 19:28 Dali. wrote:Scumbag who doesn't format correctly.Show nested quote +
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where. Show nested quote +I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community. Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game. In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction. Show nested quote +You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?" If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money. He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes.
You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll`
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People still watch day9? People actually PAY him? o.0
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Seriously, day9 this time? of all people, day9 gets targeted this time?
I dont care who he is in real life, all i care about is what he has contributed to the starcaft scene, and for me as a scrub who started one year ago, one of the few reasons that i went from bronze to master is because of day9. All the rest i dont care about, but this shit of making threads about dislike of certain people in the scene is going way to far. My respect for the starcraft community went down the drain.
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On May 24 2012 19:36 Xenocide_EU wrote:
Seriously, day9 this time? of all people, day9 gets targeted this time?
I dont care who he is in real life, all i care about is what he has contributed to the starcaft scene, and for me as a scrub who started one year ago, one of the few reasons that i went from bronze to master is because of day9. All the rest i dont care about, but this shit of making threads about dislike of certain people in the scene is going way to far. My respect for the starcraft community went down the drain.
Yeah we just pick people randomly each week and make completly baseless accusations until they get lynched by reddit.
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Blazinghand
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On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:03 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote:
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up. Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva. 2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes. I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant. His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
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the story of life, you cant please everyone. Haters gonna hate.
I know that after working 9-5 there is days I want to go home and relax, especially after a stressful day and I justw ant to get home and rewind a bit. Other days im happy as larry. Different days everyone acts differently.
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On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:03 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote:
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up. Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva. 2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes. I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant. His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need.
He doesn't "beg" for donations. He asks for them. For the love of fuck, he provides hours and hours of content, absolutely free. He asks for completely voluntary donations, and thankfully this lets him make a decent living.
I can't even think of a more ideal relationship between an entertainer and his audience. Are you seriously saying that he needs to spend the majority of his 20s scraping in enough to buy instant ramen and pay rent, because he doesn't "need" more money?
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On May 24 2012 19:37 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:36 Xenocide_EU wrote:
Seriously, day9 this time? of all people, day9 gets targeted this time?
I dont care who he is in real life, all i care about is what he has contributed to the starcaft scene, and for me as a scrub who started one year ago, one of the few reasons that i went from bronze to master is because of day9. All the rest i dont care about, but this shit of making threads about dislike of certain people in the scene is going way to far. My respect for the starcraft community went down the drain. Yeah we just pick people randomly each week and make completly baseless accusations until they get lynched by reddit.
:/ seems like it... who's next, Incontrol? Tastosis? IdrA? MC? this thread makes me hate TL...
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I think the problem that a lot of people are having is similar to that with the Yogscast etc; those that they once were once just 1 or 2 guys sitting on their computers having fun has turned into big business (i mean, if they make the same as other youtubers per view they're millionaires for gods sake). This especially applies to day[9] as he's frequently said "I'm just a nerd with a webcam, hello o/" but if he's actually a shrewd businessman and as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag (which he is if that's true) then people will feel betrayed. The thing about day[9] is that he gets so personal and friendly in his dailies that everyone feels like they have a personal, 1 to 1 relationship with him and if he's been lying then obviously they'll feel betrayed.
Furthermore a lot of people are angry that he hasn't been on SotG in months, and hasn't given a reason either to the fans in general or (apparently) to JP and the other hosts.
I can see a lot of people talking about "the corruption of money" and "the death of eSports" but honestly, if this is true, then that just sucks because lets face it, everyone loves day[9].
One last thing, he's so oblivious or ignoring of criticism that you can't expect an answer about this unless he's pressed in an interview, which won't happen.
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On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:03 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote:
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up. Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva. 2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes. I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant. His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible.
Ignore him, he has a personal vendetta against him or something. He just posts the same nonsense in every thread he can. Hes super skeptical of all the positive anecdotes regarding Day9 but uncritically accepts some random nobody caster's account.
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Blazinghand
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On May 24 2012 19:39 nanospartan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:37 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:36 Xenocide_EU wrote:
Seriously, day9 this time? of all people, day9 gets targeted this time?
I dont care who he is in real life, all i care about is what he has contributed to the starcaft scene, and for me as a scrub who started one year ago, one of the few reasons that i went from bronze to master is because of day9. All the rest i dont care about, but this shit of making threads about dislike of certain people in the scene is going way to far. My respect for the starcraft community went down the drain. Yeah we just pick people randomly each week and make completly baseless accusations until they get lynched by reddit. :/ seems like it... who's next, Incontrol? Tastosis? IdrA? MC? this thread makes me hate TL...
Don't give up hope! For every crazy hater with 12 posts there's a reasonable discussor discussing things. And if you really don't like this thread, just unsubscribe from it. It'll pass, in time-- this is a big forum with lots of content.
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On May 24 2012 19:30 Grackula wrote:
day9 is extremely narcissistic
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X.
Here's why you and people like you are full of shit:
"I can't stand day 9 at all"
"I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following"
Now, to translate into what you're actually saying:
"I don't like this guy. No one likes that guy. Fuck that guy."
And yet, the that guy in this equation is easily one of the universally renowned casters who has had appearances in Forbes, other web shows and appeared in more tournaments outside of Korea than almost anyone. And he's been doing this since SC2 was released.
And for a fun anecdote: my flatmate, who has no interest in sc2 scene outside of customs, will occasionally sit down and watch dailies for entertainment. He does appeal to people, that is a certainty.
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This is just my opinion, but I really think TL should consider a policy of closing threads like this.
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On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:03 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote:
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up. Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva. 2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes. I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant. His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick.
I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
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as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag
Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
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While I do realise that everything that is being said on Day[9]'s behalf brands me as a "fanboy", I've still got a question about all of this...
Does anyone else think it's also rude to publically call out someone and basically portraying him as a dick just because he did not want to talk to you? It's like Day[9] is obligated to be polite and give you his attention even during casting at MLG or wherever and if he doesn't he gets shit for it?
I wonder if he attempted to approach Day[9] again privately to talk this out before crying murder to the scene on a public cast.
Just something that struck me as odd... this seems to be the typical hypocrisy of the jealous people. 
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On May 24 2012 19:41 Dali. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:30 Grackula wrote:
day9 is extremely narcissistic
I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following and doesn't really appeal to the mainstream. He basically just fits this role of super pumped nerd that loves to hear his own voice and ideas.
As long as day9 is a main caster only nerds will watch. Tastosis has a lot more mainstream appeal than day9 / anyone. I can't stand day 9 at all, when he first started doing shows (sc:bw) and had maybe 100 viewers it was okay but the ego is really affecting him and he honestly thinks he is better than the pros in these tournaments. He's like secretly super insecure too and at every point must mention how much better he is than X. Here's why you and people like you are full of shit: "I can't stand day 9 at all" "I don't think anyone understands that he has a niche following" Now, to translate into what you're actually saying: "I don't like this guy. No one likes that guy. Fuck that guy." And yet, the that guy in this equation is easily one of the universally renowned casters who has had appearances in Forbes, other web shows and appeared in more tournaments outside of Korea than almost anyone. And he's been doing this since SC2 was released. And for a fun anaedote: my flatmate, who has no interest in sc2, both the game and the scene, will occasionally sit down and watch dailies for entertainment. He does appeal to people, that is a certainty.
Why isn`t this troll banned yet?
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Blazinghand
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On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:03 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote:
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up. Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva. 2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes. I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant. His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it.
That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree.
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On May 24 2012 19:41 Equity213 wrote:
This is just my opinion, but I really think TL should consider a policy of closing threads like this.
100% agree, these threads do nothing but hurt eSports, what did Day[9] even do?
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