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Well i also like my internet for free but we all know how that went..
I've paid for GSL, MLG, IPL and NASL, because i wanted to. No one forced me to it and i never did for day9 because i don't watch his show and maybe i should.
The guy asks for money from the people that love his show and never paid anything for it, isn't it fair enought? So what if still wants donations?? Do you think if he was still full of money he would spend many hours doing a daily small show?
I mean the guy could start his own daily tournament, cast in GSL or NASL and he would make more money and even have more exposure...
People think they own internet and other people? Let the man do what he wants.. so what if he is a cunt? Kobe Bryant, Tom Cruise, Ballotelli, Madonna, Lady Gaga are nothing but prima donnas and guess what? THEY DON'T CARE! and their fans don't to..
I like 2GD but sometimes he looks like he wants to be the king of nerds but he doesn't fit at all, he thinks he is badass because he drinks whiskey and gets some punani.. but many people do that and they don't have the urge to brag about it..
Same thing with Sundance, he created a company that gives work for dozens of people and brings excitement to the scene and more money for players.. why would you even criticize him?
2GD you don't need to be a dick/pussy or drink whiskey online and talk about ladys like he all never saw one to be "famous" and "badass"... Day9 does it being nerdy.. are you that envious?
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Anyone interested in a laugh take a look at smallerk's post history. The guy is either retarded or a troll, almost every post is about dirty money corrupting e-sports. He probably thinks the government is poisoning the water supply as well.
No wonder he hates Day9 and wants him to actually be a horrible person. He's successful and that means money, which is apparently evil.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 24 2012 19:52 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:50 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:
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His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them? Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np. lastly: who's cadred and 2gd? Google, use it. That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers.
2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
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2gd always seemed like a blowhard to me. Yeah, he's funny, but his humor is the mean kind. Not surprised in the least he's stirring up shit.
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On May 24 2012 19:54 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:52 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:50 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:
[quote]I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them? Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np. lastly: who's cadred and 2gd? Google, use it. That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers. 2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
That's a valid point! Cadred and 2gd have been in esports so long and yet day9 is a bigger name, and is more important. This further validates my statement that these guys credibility on the scene is relatively small-time. They've been involved for so long and I had to google them, whereas day9 was immediately recognized-- clearly these guys whispers are outweighed by the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes, since they went so long without become famous.
Thanks for the supporting evidence, friend.
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On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:03 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote:
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up. Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva. 2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes. I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant. His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
I don't think 2gd or idra really did much shitting. Not nearly like cadred. However, that said, it has now gotten a great deal of exposure for all of them. I had no idea who cadred is, and really don't want to find out in any case. As for the other two, 2gd is a nice guy. Idra is... idra.
To clarify, I guess you're saying that Idra, 2gd, and cadred talking about Day[9] means there must be something bad there, because they know it would cause drama? And I should accept their statements without reservation over the experiences and statements of a lot of other, equally important people in the community? Keeping in mind, of course, that people are people... so obviously there are no biased views there by anyone. 3 people is more credible than, of course, more than 3 other people because the three people might get some backlash over saying things? It takes a little bit more than that, I'm afraid.
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On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:03 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote:
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up. Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva. 2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes. I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant. His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Except that only the guy from Cadred shat on Day9. Idra briefly mentioned something about money, but his overall report on Day9 was very positive. 2gd just made an offhand comment saying "Day9 did a lot for the community... and himself". Again, not saying that Day9 is a dick or shitting on him in anyway. He's merely stating that maybe we shouldn't consider him a saint because he actually gets a lot in return for what he does. There's a big difference between that and "shitting" on someone.
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On May 24 2012 19:54 zefreak wrote:
Anyone interested in a laugh take a look at smallerk's post history. The guy is either retarded or a troll, almost every post is about dirty money corrupting e-sports. He probably thinks the government is poisoning the water supply as well.
No wonder he hates Day9 and wants him to actually be a horrible person. He's successful and that means money, which is apparently evil.
Yeah, these 20 pages of posts, several posts on reddit and awkward moments on lo3 were all me, on my several alternate personas of conspiracy.
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On May 24 2012 19:54 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:52 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:50 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:
[quote]I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer.
He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right.
You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them? Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np. lastly: who's cadred and 2gd? Google, use it. That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers. 2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really.
He's 3 years older than Day9. Don't play the grandpa card.
And this isn't an "esports" site. Very few us really care if James Harding was casting CS in some community center in the UK 5 years ago. We do care that Day9 was winning WCG finals 7 years ago.
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I'm really glad that more and more people are starting to realise the truth about Day9.
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On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:21 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:15 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:11 figq wrote:On May 24 2012 19:03 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:01 figq wrote:
Only people who basically don't understand the core of the work that Day[9] does are throwing mud on him. Idra is an exception, but Idra often throws mud on all kinds of people.
Seriously, 2GD (as much as I like the guy) or that esports journalist who got the hand, are so far from appreciating the depth of strategy analysis, and methodology for strategy development, which Day[9] has provided for the community (for free!) over the years. They probably don't even realize how much Day[9]'s work has pushed the competitive level of foreign RTS as a whole, simply because he helped a ton of people (for free! again) to actually start playing RTS efficiently and think productively and actually make progress - thus pushing the level of everybody up and up. Yeah, you're probably right, 2GD doesn't realize shit about esports, who is he again?Last time i checked analyzing RTS games didn't make you into a diva. 2GD just started learning RTS, like a few days ago, yes. I don't care he's pro at quake or other games, that's absolutely irrelevant. His experience with any game is irrelevant to determine if day9 is a shit person or not. I don't give a god damn no fuck if Day[9] is a shit person or he likes to kill puppies with his thought hammer. He provided a great deal of analysis and methodology for the RTS community for free, for years, starting with a whole lot of Broodwar - from the position of panamerican champion, world WCG top 16 finisher etc - and then a whole lot of SC2. He single-handedly with A TON OF WORK raised the proficiency of foreign RTS and the interest in RTS at all, which of course was much lower when most people couldn't even learn how to play it right. You are missing the point of the thread. Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them?
Cadred is not a credible source.
2gd made a snite remark "day9 did great things for esports... and his wallet"
IdrA's exact quote was
Day9 has been catching a lot of flak recently about his persona and what he puts out to the public. I think that deserves some scrutiny. I think he says some questionable things in the past. I am not sure how fair what he presents to the public is.
It's a touchy subject, because he's someone I know personally. He's a good guy and done a ton for esports. He has done a lot to better esports, and he has made the industry better for all of us; so take that with a big grain of salt, but there're some things about him I don't particularly like.
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On May 24 2012 15:12 MVTaylor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 15:04 Plexa wrote:From cadred interviewing 2gd: Do you truly (truly) dislike Day[9] or are you just upset that he ignored you at DreamHack?
It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing. http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/164576/And of course reddit jumped on this immediately. I'll monitor this thread and if it turns south, itll be sent to the closed forum. 1) That article is an "ask the editor" piece with Richard Lewis of Cadred 2) The 2GD quotes were from the The GD Show on Tuesday and the relevant ones are "day[9] has done a lot to help esports... and himself" and (when referring to the red bull battlegrounds casters "I don't like it that much on the analytical side" 3) This then made r/starcraft front page yesterday and was actually originally about 2GDs comments to sundance etc, the mention of the article diverted the majority of the comments. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tzt3a/james_2gd_harding_to_sundance_and_lee_about_mlg/4) My thoughts on day[9]. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/tzt3a/james_2gd_harding_to_sundance_and_lee_about_mlg/c4r8m0n
to make a long story short you ounbd like a hater 
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On May 24 2012 19:58 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:54 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:52 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:50 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:
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You are missing the point of the thread.
Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them? Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np. lastly: who's cadred and 2gd? Google, use it. That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers. 2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really. He's 3 years older than Day9. Don't play the grandpa card. And this isn't an "esports" site. Very few us really care if James Harding was casting CS in some community center in the UK 5 years ago. We do care that Day9 was winning WCG finals 7 years ago.
Qualifiers, not the finals. :p
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On May 24 2012 19:58 yeint wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:54 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:52 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:50 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:34 smallerk wrote:
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You are missing the point of the thread.
Plenty of good RTS analysers that aren't two faced, treat people like shit at live events, or beg for donations they don't need. Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great. I think we know which group is more credible. There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them? Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np. lastly: who's cadred and 2gd? Google, use it. That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers. 2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really. He's 3 years older than Day9. Don't play the grandpa card. And this isn't an "esports" site. Very few us really care if James Harding was casting CS in some community center in the UK 5 years ago. We do care that Day9 was winning WCG finals 7 years ago.
You may not care about what he's done, he is hardly "small time" however.
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On May 24 2012 19:48 Dali. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:35 parduebob11 wrote:On May 24 2012 19:28 Dali. wrote:Scumbag who doesn't format correctly.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where. I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community. Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game. In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction. You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?" If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money. He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes. You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll` Since you present no argument, then I'll take that as you conceding. And to address your whimpers about hurt feelings, you're the one who started posting with a full blown character assassination of someone almost universally revered as a source of good within the community. Problem is you failed to present any reason or evidence for why we should hate this person as you do. I don't care who the person in question is, you acted and continue to act like a spiteful ass with no reason other than the person rubs you the wrong way. Don't like someone, fine. But don't spew lies and accusations. Especially things you wouldn't say to the face of anyone who personally knows Day9. That's why you're a scumbag, and a coward to boot. gg no re.
This has got to be the dumbest person I have ever seen on teamliquid.Poor guy.Dude,you are too dumb for me to have an argument with you .You are like a pile of smelly trash poisoning this thread.Your real luck is that there are mods here otherwise I would have finished with you swiftly.You are like the decrepit old people insulting people on the street when there is police around.In other words you are too insignificative for me to get a ban arguing with you.And about the hurt feelings my only reaction is HA HA HA HA HA.I do not get hurt by trolls on the internet.I can`t even believe dumb people such as yourself exist.i can and will tell you to your face much worse things that I have said in this thread.My oppinion of Day9 remains the same.Only my oppinion of you has lowered.But I totally understand you.You being a lifeless troll who thing it is a sign of courage to tell someone trash in front of their faces just because you are too cowardly to do so.If you think that insulting someone in the face is an act of courage you have never been in an outnumbered streetfight before.Continue to live the way you do.
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I have to say this to get it out of my system: This community, like most gaming communities are full of small-time angry insecure nerd pricks (like me?-). Best communities, as you would imagine, are from more hardcore strategy games that have an older player base.
I tend respect players like Stephano, who don't give a fuck about the community but just do their own thing.
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On May 24 2012 19:59 namste wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:58 yeint wrote:On May 24 2012 19:54 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:52 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:50 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:48 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:44 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 19:41 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 19:37 Blazinghand wrote:
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Yes, and Day9 is one of those RTS analyzers. I can speak from my personal experience here. He's a nice guy. In fact, reading through this thread, there are two groups of people: 1) people who haven't met Day9 and think he's a dick and 2) people who HAVE met day9 and think he's great.
I think we know which group is more credible.
There is also a group that you are ignoring, who met day9 and thought he was a dick. I wouldn't expect you to mention it. That group is much smaller than either of the groups I listed, so yes, I didn't mention it. *I* met day9 and he was a very nice and amicable fellow both during and following the event he casted. He hung out with the rest of the crew and drank beers and told jokes and was generally a great guy. That's my personal anecdote, and there are more who agree with me than disagree. While it's a lot smaller it's also a lot more credible, you think 2gd , idra and cadred would shit on him for no reason, knowing the backlash it would generate for them? Well, first off, regarding IdrA: Yes, he totally would. Secondly, regarding IdrA: um... he didn't. He thinks day9 is a great guy and made an off-hand comment about the dude's income. It's np. lastly: who's cadred and 2gd? Google, use it. That's a rhetorical device, friend. I did use it, and my point is that you're banking on these guys' credibility in the scene when they're in fact relatively small-time. I daresay the torrent of pro-day9 anecdotes easily outweighs these guys' whispers. 2GD was involved in esports before day9 had pubic hair.Same for cadred, really. He's 3 years older than Day9. Don't play the grandpa card. And this isn't an "esports" site. Very few us really care if James Harding was casting CS in some community center in the UK 5 years ago. We do care that Day9 was winning WCG finals 7 years ago. Qualifiers, not the finals. :p
I meant the finals for WCG qualifiers, but I stand corrected as I was unclear.
My point is that Day9 has a long history in the professional Starcraft scene whereas I don't really give two shits what Pikmin matches 2GD was casting at the time.
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On May 24 2012 20:00 parduebob11 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:48 Dali. wrote:On May 24 2012 19:35 parduebob11 wrote:On May 24 2012 19:28 Dali. wrote:Scumbag who doesn't format correctly.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where. I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community. Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game. In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction. You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?" If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money. He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes. You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll` Since you present no argument, then I'll take that as you conceding. And to address your whimpers about hurt feelings, you're the one who started posting with a full blown character assassination of someone almost universally revered as a source of good within the community. Problem is you failed to present any reason or evidence for why we should hate this person as you do. I don't care who the person in question is, you acted and continue to act like a spiteful ass with no reason other than the person rubs you the wrong way. Don't like someone, fine. But don't spew lies and accusations. Especially things you wouldn't say to the face of anyone who personally knows Day9. That's why you're a scumbag, and a coward to boot. gg no re. This has got to be the dumbest person I have ever seen on teamliquid.Poor guy.Dude,you are too dumb for me to have an argument with you .You are like a pile of smelly trash poisoning this thread.Your real luck is that there are mods here otherwise I would have finished with you swiftly.You are like the decrepit old people insulting people on the street when there is police around.In other words you are too insignificative for me to get a ban arguing with you.And about the hurt feelings my only reaction is HA HA HA HA HA.I do not get hurt by trolls on the internet.I can`t even believe dumb people such as yourself exist.i can and will tell you to your face much worse things that I have said in this thread.My oppinion of Day9 remains the same.Only my oppinion of you has lowered.But I totally understand you.You being a lifeless troll who thing it is a sign of courage to tell someone trash in front of their faces just because you are too cowardly to do so.If you think that insulting someone in the face is an act of courage you have never been in an outnumbered streetfight before.Continue to live the way you do.
You... you just made your own argument redundant... and insulted yourself by acting mad, and bieng... blah, time to get out of this thread, its so stupid its sad
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how CAN someone dislike day9? Jeez
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When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for
A. The sick pro games
B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content.
At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
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