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So I wake up this morning, and see this....
It makes me sad, it really does. I have always looked up to Sean as one of the most hardworking individuals in SC2-business. I can't really think of anyone else that has so much responsibility and obligations towards what he does. He loves what he does though, and that really shows. He does it with a touch of passion, a passion that carried him through his years (around 10 yrs?) as a BW pro gamer. A time period, where, you'd be happy to not have an account in the deep red, but perhaps just in the red.
Furthermore, Sean is one of those few guys who I'd like to see represent us as a community, who I'd like to introduce people to StarCraft through: "This guy, is a former pro gamer, who has now turned his passion for the game into business. And you know what? He does it pretty damn well." People can relate to him, he makes complex terms reasonable, breaks down the games into understandable tidbits. He is also damn funny/passionate.
Now people jump on the fact that.... you know what? I don't really understand why people jump on him. I honestly don't. Because for each argument (if you weed out the bad ones, the trolly ones) there are literally three counter-arguments to that claim. People are genuinly upset that he makes money out of what he does.
I can only hope that this shit doesn't stick around. I can only hope that Day[9] isn't discouraged (but I don't think so, he has lived most of his life on the internet, hasn't he?) and I can only hope that the mob mentality of reddit will be bearable in the future, because in some cases, it seems just like the shit that grows in there, spreads like wildfire.
Don't be hating on Day[9] 
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On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
Noone knows what the situation was like. Cadred doesn't even provide much information. What if cadred was being rude? What if Day[9] just wanted some privacy and he was swarmed by 10 guys before that he politely asked to leave him some space?
Hell, even if he WAS being rude... Everyone has their off-days. After like 10 hours of casting, I would threaten people if they didn't let me catch a breath even if I was on one of my good days.
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On May 24 2012 20:10 Raskit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:07 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote:
When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for
A. The sick pro games
B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content.
At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league. Excellent post. It's very hard to express exactly what's wrong with Day9 circa May 2012 but you did a good job. Yeh, I agree, solid post. I still like Day9 as a caster but he's clearly changed his daily persona and become a caricature. He hams it up so much these days. I'd say the turning point was the Amnesia playthrough.
Yeah I think Amn. was the point where I stopped watching. I think a lot of people here are missing the point. For me it isn't about whether he is good/bad etc. That's all opinion. For me, it's about the fact that there has been a significant change in his personality. In my experience these are usually associated with real life events.
Whether I watch his dailies or not is irrelevant. I'm worried about the guy.
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Blazinghand
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On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread:
On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind.
On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
On May 24 2012 16:17 Xeris wrote:
He's casted for CSL every season and he does it because he's a good guy. I can name other casters who are less famous than him who when I approached them about CSL the first thing they asked was "what's the pay." I've literally never heard that question come out of Sean's mouth. Whether it's casting for a community endeavor like the CSL or a big league like the NASL, the first thing he says is "omg awesome, more SC casting... I hope it fits into my schedule." That's what separates him from other people and it's why he's an amazing person and how he's been able to be so successful. He doesn't let things like money drive him, he lets his passion drive him. The money comes as a byproduct.
What it looks like to me is that almost anyone who's worked with him on a tournament or met him in person has found him to be a great guy.
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Fucking hell, people are so hasty to judge.
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On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that.
Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
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On May 24 2012 20:19 Arghmyliver wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:10 Raskit wrote:On May 24 2012 20:07 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote:
When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for
A. The sick pro games
B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content.
At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league. Excellent post. It's very hard to express exactly what's wrong with Day9 circa May 2012 but you did a good job. Yeh, I agree, solid post. I still like Day9 as a caster but he's clearly changed his daily persona and become a caricature. He hams it up so much these days. I'd say the turning point was the Amnesia playthrough. Yeah I think Amn. was the point where I stopped watching. I think a lot of people here are missing the point. For me it isn't about whether he is good/bad etc. That's all opinion. For me, it's about the fact that there has been a significant change in his personality. In my experience these are usually associated with real life events. Whether I watch his dailies or not is irrelevant. I'm worried about the guy.
Please mind your own business, creepy person.
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If you want the best of D9 just watch his BW dailies.
No fluff
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Blazinghand
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On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything?
Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
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On May 24 2012 19:11 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 18:48 Pwnographics wrote:On May 24 2012 18:47 DaveVAH wrote:On May 24 2012 17:36 R3DT1D3 wrote:
Even so, being good enough to make what would likely be Masters in the current ladder with all three races is nothing to sneeze at.
Where is the proof that he is masters? in fact where is the proof that he plays any sc2 at all? Thats one of the big reasons people think he is a fake. No one has seen him playing the game he claims to love and makes loads of money off of. Because he gets master level knowledge by asking his chat right? Master level knowledge judged by who? He thinks seeker missiles are "stupidly good" and likes to talk about mech use in TvP. That sounds more like gold level talk to me. No one has ever seen him play sc2 competitively. No one. His claim that he has had 3 gm accounts seem very hollow if not an outright lie.
Pretty sure day9's advice is geared towards low diamond or below. That's smart because most of his SC2 audience are casual players. How many masters players watch day9 dailies for advice?
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I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost?
The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters.
For example what would you say if Sundance said to his subscribers "The subscription revenue, while helpful, only partially defrays the cost of operating MLG. If you have the means to offer additional support so that Sundance can continue his efforts to grow eSports, we invite you to make a one time personal donation to his tip jar (or, better still, a recurring donation!!) below:" And then we later find out that MLG was very profitable the whole time because he conveniently forgot to mention adding sponsor and advertisement revenue was much greater than the cost. I'd find that misleading and the community shouldn't just accept that.
But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore in this thread.
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On May 24 2012 20:17 tetrismaan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:10 parduebob11 wrote:
But if you think Day9 is more famous than sc2 progamers you could make a point regarding the lesser known progamers.But I can gurantee you he can not match in fame with the top 10.If he does well that just sucks. He is the first name/persona who comes to my mind whenever I think of SC2.
Fair enough.Personal preferences can not be discussed.Nevertheless I do find it kind of odd that in a competititve sport,commmentators/casters tend to be more famous than the players themselves.I mean the casters have the most exposure but in terms of memory impact,in my case athlethes tend to stay longer in mind than the casters themselves.
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On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive.
Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
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Blazinghand
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On May 24 2012 20:23 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost? The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters. For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost. But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore.
Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him.
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On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:
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Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive. Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole).
I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
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On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
What's wrong with him being 'Day9' in his professional life and 'Sean' in his private life. I mean, they're both just different facets of the same person, by why must he be 100% of one all the time? Do you think Artosis runs round his house yelling about banelings or DjWheat rants aggressively at his wife? Fuck no, because they segment their careers away from their private lives.
Do you want a camera on Day9 at all times so when he isn't 'happy and cheerio' you can shout "Ah HA!, he's a fake!" Maybe he doesn't want people like you around all the god damn time.
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I don't need to see him angry to know he has been angry. Despite seeing him saddened, I did not need to see it to know he has been sad. Unless he is abnormal or suffers from a mental illness, he is a fully capable, flawed human being who can run the gamut of emotions available to them. Professionalism tempers my emotions when I deal with someone who has molested a child; professionalism tempered Sean Plott's emotions when individuals bothered him for some questions.
Your interpretation of that event is far more severe. You are welcome to it, but if that offended you, there aren't very many people alive who are perfect. Professionalism is confused with being phony because the idea of attempting to maintain a modicum of integrity is for some reason a bad thing. We see the people who are unrestrained, constantly expressing every thought that has every crossed their mind and say "they are real". Some of us just don't want to air that thought. I'm not going to air the thoughts I think about you, smallerk.
Am I being phony because I'm attempting to be civil?
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On May 24 2012 20:17 Mr.X546 wrote:So I wake up this morning, and see this.... It makes me sad, it really does. I have always looked up to Sean as one of the most hardworking individuals in SC2-business. I can't really think of anyone else that has so much responsibility and obligations towards what he does. He loves what he does though, and that really shows. He does it with a touch of passion, a passion that carried him through his years (around 10 yrs?) as a BW pro gamer. A time period, where, you'd be happy to not have an account in the deep red, but perhaps just in the red. Furthermore, Sean is one of those few guys who I'd like to see represent us as a community, who I'd like to introduce people to StarCraft through: "This guy, is a former pro gamer, who has now turned his passion for the game into business. And you know what? He does it pretty damn well." People can relate to him, he makes complex terms reasonable, breaks down the games into understandable tidbits. He is also damn funny/passionate. Now people jump on the fact that.... you know what? I don't really understand why people jump on him. I honestly don't. Because for each argument (if you weed out the bad ones, the trolly ones) there are literally three counter-arguments to that claim. People are genuinly upset that he makes money out of what he does. I can only hope that this shit doesn't stick around. I can only hope that Day[9] isn't discouraged (but I don't think so, he has lived most of his life on the internet, hasn't he?) and I can only hope that the mob mentality of reddit will be bearable in the future, because in some cases, it seems just like the shit that grows in there, spreads like wildfire. Don't be hating on Day[9]
This, I can't express enough how so many of our community are so selfish and enjoy latching on to anything good and trying to drag it into their own misery, I thought Day[9] was the one sacred pillar of our community, I was wrong, please don't let this amazing site become reddit 2.0.
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Starcraft has a lot of communist fans I think. They curse everyone that has PPV, curse day9 cuz maybe he's making some bank, curse EG for signing players. It just goes on and on and on...
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On May 24 2012 20:25 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:23 coolcor wrote:
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost? The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters. For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost. But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore. Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him. EDIT: Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:
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Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive. Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole). I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude.
Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him?
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What a twist it would be if it turns out that day[9] is none other but the devil itself
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