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On May 24 2012 20:00 parduebob11 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:48 Dali. wrote:On May 24 2012 19:35 parduebob11 wrote:On May 24 2012 19:28 Dali. wrote:Scumbag who doesn't format correctly.
"Just as a sidenote computercompanies besides Intel don`t support esports that much.If you are talking about Razer I seriously doubt you spend about 2000 usdollars on a gaming laptop considering that you are building your pc and most of the companies have premade systems available.But nevertheless the information is unverifiable
Again, if you can find someone to finance the scene better then our those currently tossing us crumbs, tell us where. I also hate seeing politically correct corect internetusers such as yourself throwing the word `community` around when most of the viewers form tournaments who keep the sc2 scene alive(that is the tenths of thousands of viewers needed for a tournament to be succesfull)only watch a tournament for specific stars and drama.just watch as the ratings go down when a well known celebrity leaves a tournament.But you don`t care about that now do you.Personally if you consider my post garbage,i consider you garbage also and yes users such as yourself are a plague to the esports community. Unsubstantiated garbage. People watch a number of different reasons. If a tournament can fill all those requirements, great casters, great players, great production, then people will watch. All components are important. Casters have an extremely important role in being the frontline of entry into the scene for those uneducated in the game. In reference to the last few sentences: I have so many creative insults floating around in my head, but I shan't give you the satisfaction. You don`t make any sense.You don`t watch him yet state he is interesting and helpfull for the community.This is exactly my point.Who watches Day9?How do you know he is doing good if you don`t watch him?" If other people enjoy watching him, then more power to them. He entertains people, he expands the games influence to a broader audience and he looks for ways to include corporate interests so to bring in more money. He is most certainly not a detracting influence for sc2, and therefore he may do as he pleases in my eyes. You can call yourself and your mother scumbags and garbage.Probably that is what you and them are.I don`t talk to idiots like you.You are unable to have a conversation without throwing insults.You suck.Period. In the words of Day9:`Talk to the hand troll` Since you present no argument, then I'll take that as you conceding. And to address your whimpers about hurt feelings, you're the one who started posting with a full blown character assassination of someone almost universally revered as a source of good within the community. Problem is you failed to present any reason or evidence for why we should hate this person as you do. I don't care who the person in question is, you acted and continue to act like a spiteful ass with no reason other than the person rubs you the wrong way. Don't like someone, fine. But don't spew lies and accusations. Especially things you wouldn't say to the face of anyone who personally knows Day9. That's why you're a scumbag, and a coward to boot. gg no re. This has got to be the dumbest person I have ever seen on teamliquid.Poor guy.Dude,you are too dumb for me to have an argument with you .You are like a pile of smelly trash poisoning this thread.Your real luck is that there are mods here otherwise I would have finished with you swiftly.You are like the decrepit old people insulting people on the street when there is police around.In other words you are too insignificative for me to get a ban arguing with you.And about the hurt feelings my only reaction is HA HA HA HA HA.I do not get hurt by trolls on the internet.I can`t even believe dumb people such as yourself exist.i can and will tell you to your face much worse things that I have said in this thread.My oppinion of Day9 remains the same.Only my oppinion of you has lowered.But I totally understand you.You being a lifeless troll who thing it is a sign of courage to tell someone trash in front of their faces just because you are too cowardly to do so.If you think that insulting someone in the face is an act of courage you have never been in an outnumbered streetfight before.Continue to live the way you do.
Why is it everday I log on to tl.net I see shit posters like parduebob11? It has been getting worse lately.
Have fun in Disney Land. You won't be missed.
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Smallerk: He didn't complain about his rent; he spoke of forgetting to pay it. There's a difference, and it's between being disingenuous and being forgetful. The former serves the point you're trying to make, hence your attempt to capitalize on it by, funnily enough, being disingenuous about it.
With a background in law enforcement and a history of working with a lot of terrible people, I am always amused by the little things that certain people want to get aggravated by. It's interesting that, in an effort to portray another person that coexists with us as less than savory, we begin to analyze every little interaction for some nuanced emotion or feeling that might strengthen or bolster our attempt to tear this person down. This person didn't say they were perfect; they didn't say that every single moment of their life was sunshine and rainbows. Some among us inferred that, and in our need to satisfy our desire to disprove a point that never existed, scoured videos, listened to interviews and read anecdotes and shared them.
It's the height of absurd. There's also a lot of projection in this thread from people who seem agitated that another person might be considerate of others and happy a good portion of their awake time without antidepressants. Also absurd. You are permitted to judge another person, give your opinion and condemn others for their actions because these fora permit it. It is my opinion, however, that everyone here can be better than that. There are a lot of terrible, terrible people in this world; there are some very rude people in this game. I think people should think about the differences that entails. Do you really want to devote a sizable portion of your time to orchestrating the downfall of JP McDaniels and State of the Game for failing to meet your expectations? Do you really want to tear down Sean Plott and Day[9]TV for perceived slights?
Just because you have the ability to do something doesn't mean you should. If Day9 had nothing tomorrow--no show, no place to cast and he never received another dollar from StarCraft, would you earnestly be happy?
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On May 24 2012 19:49 nanospartan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:47 Boonbag wrote:
lol casters are making big money ?
hahaha that's insane they all horribly suck but maybe artosis making shitty jokes on tv ... how do you have 1k posts and have not been banned yet? this thread makes me sad to be part of TL
I have been banned and I was already shitting starcraft bricks out me ass before day9 even thought up his id
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People are bored out of their minds, including day9. This thread is a result of that.
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On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy.
Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
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On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote:
When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for
A. The sick pro games
B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content.
At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
Excellent post. It's very hard to express exactly what's wrong with Day9 circa May 2012 but you did a good job.
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On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
It's all lies, don't listen to this guy.
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This thread is a clear example of why no one should take the TL.Net forums seriously.
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I do not see how you thought making a thread defending d9 with "you do not know so you do not get to criticize was a good idea"
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On May 24 2012 19:44 Kyuki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:14 parduebob11 wrote:On May 24 2012 19:06 Kyuki wrote:On May 24 2012 18:52 parduebob11 wrote:On May 24 2012 18:47 Kyuki wrote:
People who are extremly public will always falter at times and Day9 is without fail the biggest personality in the industry, so it's only natural.
Dude what planet are you living on?day9 the biggest personality in the industry?What industry?he is a successfull caster,I give him that but there are tons of personalitites that keep sc2 alive for fans.MKP,Violet,Idra,naniwa,Incontrol,MC,MMA,Nestea and virtually every single progamer out there is more known than day9.When I watch a tournament I watch it because I want to see MKP vs DRG or Squirtle or MVp not some caster. Dude, what world are YOU living in. Learn to read, I never said there were no other personality that helps this industry, because they're all joint, but Day9 has done alot of things for this community and by doing that he's also gained alot of fame not only inside the community but outside of it promoting e-sports and SC2. I can almost promise you that more people know about Day9 than any of the names you put out there, especially the players (sadly). Why do I even respond to your post, seems to me you just wanted to say that there are other people in the industry that does alot of good (which was never up for discussion, because it's pretty damn obvious and not related to this topic). Reread your initial post man.You specified Day9 is the most wellknown perosnality in the sc2 industry.Which is completly fake and stupid.All major progamers are more wellknown than day9.The fact that Day9 does good for the community I give him that-he is a grinder and works dayly to put that analysis of his on youtube. Are you really this thick? Really? You think anyone reading forbes or pretty much anyone who isnt INSIDE the community already know anything about the progamers? No. But people outside and EVERYONE inside the community knows who day9 is. Who are you seriously trying to fool, or do you just not understand what "well known" means? Ffs more people know about destiny than your fav progamers in the GSL...
I don`t even know why I am having this conversation with Day9 hardcore fans.
I have been introduced to the starcraft bw proscene way before sc2came out by videos of Boxer,jaedong and FLash on youtube.that was the first thing I could remember in my bw introduction.I did not even know who tastosis was nor do I have any memories of moletrap or anyone else.It is an unwritten rule in anything related to sport and especially esport that the players are more known that the casters who are otherwise the esports version of commentaorrs.When I watch regular sport I don`t watch it for the commentators,I watch it for the athletes.Saying Day9 is more famous than Nestea is like saying the most well known basketball comentator is more famous than Kobe Briant.Industry insiders might know the comentator but everybody watches the game for Bryant/Lakers.I personally do not know anyone who watches a tournament(aka the lifeblood of esports)to hear a commentator regardless of the name of the comentator.they watch it for the players.Day9 is famous among comentators but he is definetly he is not more famous than the players.
And about Destiny I can guarantee you more people know about kr progamers than Destiny who also received his fame by playing the game.
But if you think Day9 is more famous than sc2 progamers you could make a point regarding the lesser known progamers.But I can gurantee you he can not match in fame with the top 10.If he does well that just sucks.
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On May 24 2012 20:07 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote:
When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for
A. The sick pro games
B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content.
At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league. Excellent post. It's very hard to express exactly what's wrong with Day9 circa May 2012 but you did a good job.
Yeh, I agree, solid post. I still like Day9 as a caster but he's clearly changed his daily persona and become a caricature. He hams it up so much these days. I'd say the turning point was the Amnesia playthrough.
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On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
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On May 24 2012 20:00 Coeus1 wrote:
I have to say this to get it out of my system: This community, like most gaming communities are full of small-time angry insecure nerd pricks (like me?-). Best communities, as you would imagine, are from more hardcore strategy games that have an older player base.
I tend respect players like Stephano, who don't give a fuck about the community but just do their own thing.
Well, in part the relative "youthiness" (tm) (it's mine, think truthiness but with more applicability) in this community is partially because most of us are also players. And we can't all be like White-Ra, who still is playing competitively but over 30. (I sure as hell can't, and yes I will blame my being older than White-Ra for it. Hell, Quake didn't even come out until I was in college.)
Although I think you're a bit off... Eve Online has one of the demographically "oldest" communities, and the people that actually get into their communities are hardcore bittervets. And they can be just as much a bunch of small-time angry insecure nerd pricks - we just use a better vocabulary. There may be slightly more actual discussion... slightly. Because we get tired faster and can't always keep up the energy for constant bitching.
I mean, they get tired faster. THEY. >.>
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On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be.
Sorry, but the mere fact that someone thinks "he didn't want to talk to me and this upset me greatly" is worth telling the world is a clear indication that I'm not going to believe any embellishment like "hand in face".
I've seen a video of Day9 being "rude". He was sitting down backstage, busy on his computer, and some random jackass with a camera shoved it and a microphone in his face without even asking if it was OK first.
People who don't respect other people's privacy do not deserve to get their way. They are like door to door salesmen slamming their feet in your door. You have every right to kick that foot out and slam the door shut in their faces.
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On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears.
Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
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On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
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On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time.
Behaving like a pleasant and sociable person in public is not "fake", it's called being a mature human being.
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On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe.
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On May 24 2012 20:10 parduebob11 wrote:
But if you think Day9 is more famous than sc2 progamers you could make a point regarding the lesser known progamers.But I can gurantee you he can not match in fame with the top 10.If he does well that just sucks.
He is the first name/persona who comes to my mind whenever I think of SC2.
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On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:On May 24 2012 20:05 Mattacate wrote:On May 24 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:as cadred claims, a total fucking douchebag Sorry, but who the fuck is cadred and why should I think of his comments as anything other than the self-aggrandizing rationalization of some random blowhard who thought he was a VIP and therefore had the right to bother someone while they were busy. Anyone outside of the esports scene would say the exact same about day9. There's nothing wrong with being busy but if you shove your hand in someones face and refuse to talk to them, that's a pretty dick move and not at all like what sean portrays himself to be. What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time?
Apparently it is. People have to bring their own miseries upon others. Maybe he's just a really positive person who wishes to conduct himself as well as possible in public? Of course he's not always like that normally, but that doesn't mean he's a dick 24/7.
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