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Blazinghand
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On May 24 2012 20:28 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:25 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:23 coolcor wrote:
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost? The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters. For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost. But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore. Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him. EDIT: On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:
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What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive. Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole). I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude. Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him?
Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture?
Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him.
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On May 24 2012 20:28 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:25 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:23 coolcor wrote:
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost? The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters. For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost. But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore. Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him. EDIT: On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:10 Desert Fox wrote:
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What does Sean portray himself to be? Even the most wonderfully nice person you know in your life has had a moment where they weren't happy. Even the most coolly collected individual has a moment where they're agitated. We aren't automatons; we're humans. If you treat a person like they're perfect, you're going to be disappointed. Sean Plott has exhibited the full range of emotions from happiness to anger; from jubilation to tears. Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone? No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive. Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole). I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude. Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behavior before you blindly defend him?
He's speaking from personal experience, not "blindly defending" him, I for one value that above many of the publicized reports that are often opinionated and biased themselves
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I dislike Day9s personality a lot. His dailies are extremely boring long winded and he comes off like a person who just likes to hear himself talk. Day9 would be more suitable for a reality show than gaming commentary.
Also his donation gathering is questionable to say the least. Streaming and casting is a lucrative business for him, no question about it and everyone should take his online persona with a grain of salt.
ALSO, the fact that he has never admitted to whatever his ladder rank is (obviously not GM) makes it even worse for me. Master league and above have nothing to learn from him, so I never watch.
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On May 24 2012 19:33 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +
The winner of WCG America in BW who beat Artosis, IdrA, Incontrol, is gold in SC2. I like your 30 post logic buddy.
Being pro at bw doesn't mean you will be good at a completely different game, nor that you will love that game. especially if you don't play it for years. what people are saying is that he doesn't give a shit about sc2 and doesn't play the game any-more as there is no evidence for it. But he is making loads of money off it and pretending to be something he is not (ie super nice all the time or GM with 3 races)
How do you know he doesn't give a shit about it?
How do you know isn't nice?
How do you know he isn't GM?
How much money is he making? And why does that matter?
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On May 24 2012 20:30 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:28 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:25 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:23 coolcor wrote:
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost? The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters. For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost. But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore. Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him. EDIT: On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:On May 24 2012 20:13 smallerk wrote:
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Have you ever seen him angry though?Be rude or unpolite to anyone?
No, you haven't, that's because he is fake, if you are a long time sc2 fan you haven seen artosis' full range of emotions, same with djwheat, all you ever see day9 do is be happy and cheerio all the fucking time. Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive. Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole). I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude. Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him? Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture? Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him.
But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
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On May 24 2012 20:27 Fyodor wrote:
Starcraft has a lot of communist fans I think. They curse everyone that has PPV, curse day9 cuz maybe he's making some bank, curse EG for signing players. It just goes on and on and on...
Well, not every StarCraft fan is American. I wouldn't say communist, rather socialist.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 24 2012 20:31 Manimal_pro wrote:
ALSO, the fact that he has never admitted to whatever his ladder rank is (obviously not GM) makes it even worse for me. Master league and above have nothing to learn from him, so I never watch.
To be fair, I think his show is explicitly targetted at people in low leagues. I personally have watched less and less since I got into Master League, but I can't really blame the guy for targetting a low level audience;; after all, 80% of players are below Diamond, so it makes sense to focus your strategy show on them.
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This thread is hilarious. I see people coming up with the most absurd reasons to hate someone for no actual reason whatsoever, pointing out Idra saying that he has flaws as a human being as examples.
Is this jealousy at a grander level or are people being retarded?
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Smallerk: Pretend every nasty thing said about him is true. Pretend he was the height of rude during the attempt by the ESL crew to interview him.
Again, where does he say he has never been rude? Where does he say he has never uttered a nasty thing? He uses explicit language, he's spoken unconventionally about sex and he's cried for half an hour on a webcam. We're not dealing with a saint. You confuse professionalism with being phony in every sentence you write in this thread.
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On May 24 2012 20:29 Darksoldierr wrote:
What a twist it would be if it turns out that day[9] is none other but the devil itself
This made me LOL for the first time reading this sad thread.
I don't really know why the SC community insist on always finding some kind of controversy. Some times TL is just like a tabloid.
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On May 24 2012 20:32 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:30 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:28 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:25 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:23 coolcor wrote:
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost? The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters. For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost. But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore. Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him. EDIT: On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:
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Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive. Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole). I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude. Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him? Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture? Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him. But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
I'll admit i haven't heard what cadred said about day9, but idra was nothing close to saying he was a bad person, just that he didn't like some aspects of his persona
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On May 24 2012 20:03 Arghmyliver wrote:
When I first started playing Starcraft I ate those dailies up. I would watch as many as I could for
A. The sick pro games
B. The analysis (often brought on pro players [Friend-day Wednesday?])
I even went as far as to subscribe because I thought - "Man this guy is really dedicated."
Things went downhill.
I saw Sean move from 80%-20% commentary/anecdote to about 70%-30% BSandFiller/content.
At first I think I was in denial - but slowly I went from watching full live dailies to watching the VOD and skipping the first 5 minutes of "this thing happened to me recently" to skipping through the episode to find the sections of SCII content to where I am now which is - no daily.
During that period I felt a change in the sincerity of the show and Day[9] himself. It seemed like he became more and more infatuated with his persona and less and less interested in the actual work needed to provide a working analysis of the replays he was using. Even the Monobattles deteriorated for me - from light-hearted fun to Sean screaming for an hour and me having to mute him to preserve my eardrums and to prevent my neighbors from thinking I was running a raccoon sex dungeon (thank you xkcd).
I tried to Unsubscribe - but I actually have been unable to do so following the prescribed methods. In fact - my email to the tech support address listed on Day's page went completely unanswered. As of this moment I still have a 5 dollar bill each month.
I really think this is a fairly recent (past 6 months) change to his persona. It is troubling to me because I was actually impressed with the work ethic and humble demeanour that he conveyed when I was watching his dailies this time last year. I am concerned actually that there is something (drugs? alcohol? strippers? demonology?) going on that is causing this really weird change from E-Sports Everyman to - as someone else aptly put it - a Prima Donna. If he were my personal friend, I would be confronting him about this.
I really want to like Day[9]. I really think he DID contribute to the community and I think his analysis WAS insightful and informative (esp to new players). But his recent hyperbolic personality is not the Day[9] that could get noobies out of bronze league.
i don't understand i just watched daily 468 and i don't see what u mean ofc he talked for 2 min about what the upcomming tournaments where and like one joke or statement but other than that i can't see anything like that he would focuse on himself(as stories and other stuf)besides some jokes from time to time which i think actually is really important since if he don't maybe some new players would be bored
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It's funny how some people are trying to start some shit up but are failing miserably. Keep banging your head into the wall if it makes you happy though.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 24 2012 20:32 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:30 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:28 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:25 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:23 coolcor wrote:
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost? The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters. For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost. But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore. Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him. EDIT: On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:
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Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive. Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole). I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude. Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him? Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture? Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him. But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Well, again I'm gonna say:
1) IdrA likes day9, and overall gave a positive review of him. I have told you this previously, and you seem to ignore it.
2) Cadred and 2gd have met him, and so have I. I don't know either of these fellows, and even if I did, I personally value my own experience. I feel obligated to make my statement on day9's personality, and it's okay for me to disagree with them; they're not bad people for having a different view of the man than myself. I just disagree with them.
My real question is: where do you fit into all this? You're not carded, 2gd, or Idra, so what makes your statements more relevant than theirs or mine? you haven't met him, you have little to add.
On May 24 2012 20:33 Desert Fox wrote:
Smallerk: Pretend every nasty thing said about him is true. Pretend he was the height of rude during the attempt by the ESL crew to interview him.
Again, where does he say he has never been rude? Where does he say he has never uttered a nasty thing? He uses explicit language, he's spoken unconventionally about sex and he's cried for half an hour on a webcam. We're not dealing with a saint. You confuse professionalism with being phony in every sentence you write in this thread.
I think Desert Fox makes a good point here. Day9 is totally legit and sometimes we need to be aware of the flaws in our stars without decrying them. He's just a regular dude, he's not the devil. lol.
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Jesus, and people say the DotA community is a cesspool. At least come out and say if they like/dislike someone, and dont turn on them all of a sudden.
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On May 24 2012 20:32 smallerk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 20:30 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:28 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:25 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:23 coolcor wrote:
I think you are not correct here. Day9tv is the entity that does the dailies and the AHGL, and I'm pretty sure that most money from that company goes right back into paying employees and expenses. And even if it did comprise everything day9 did, you say that the issue is whether or not day9 makes any money after costs... but really the question is, do subscriptions alone cover the costs of the day9 daily? If his revenue > cost honestly that's fine, what you somehow overlooked is that you're talking about subscription revenue > cost which is something very different.
thats why I keep saying misleading instead of a lie. Because you are right it is probably 100% correct that subscription revenue < cost of day9tv while total revenue > cost of day9tv. But why did day9 make the comparison like that of just one part of revenue vs all cost? The sentence is both 100% true and misleads the reader by leaving out an important piece of information( that day9tv has other sources of revenue besides subscribers that could be much larger than cost) to make it look like donations are more necessary than they really are. Thus I don't like him saying that because it is a bad way to treat your biggest supporters. For example what would you say if Sundance said that revenue from subscriptions were less than the costs to operate MLG so you subscribers feel free to donate even more to MLG so we can continue to grow esports. Then later we found out MLG was making lots of profit the whole time because sundance "forgot" to mention adding sponsorship revenue was much bigger than cost. But this is still assuming day9tv is profitable. If not again I'm sorry. I won't post about it anymore. Dude... I really really hope day9 makes money. I don't care whether or not he's profitable if you do or don't count his personal casting gigs as income for the entity "day9tv"-- the guy deserves to make money, and if people give it to him because he's a great guy, then more power to them, and more power to him. EDIT: On May 24 2012 20:25 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:22 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:21 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:19 Blazinghand wrote:On May 24 2012 20:16 smallerk wrote:On May 24 2012 20:14 Primadog wrote:
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Is it so hard to believe someone is genuinely happy most/all the time? Yeah it is, the video posted on the first few pages and these reports about him being a dick in live events make that quite hard to believe. Really? Because that video of the guy with the camera and mic being a dick and day9 being a nice guy kinda fits with the reports about him being a nice guy at live events that are plastered all over this thread: On May 24 2012 15:15 Blazinghand wrote:
I had the opportunity to meet day9 at the King of Palantir Tournament where he was casting with Spanishiwa, and off the camera, he was a great guy. He grabbed some beers with the rest of the crew and we relaxed and made small talk. He tried to learn everyone's names even though it was clear that there was no way he'd be able to learn it all, and he was generally just a nice fellow... I don't know what his interactions with other people was, but I've never see him be anything but courteous and kind. On May 24 2012 17:14 Aberu wrote:
I have met Day[9] 5 times since the Day[9] countdown, and he is hardly any different from when he was before. In every tournament he looks absolutely exhausted, he literally puts his whole self into it. I even was kind of his "bitch" in making everything work out better for his broadcasting in some ways here and there at the MSI Battlegrounds in Ventura. Told me what he needed to make it work better, and I got on people to get us the information we needed for smoother transitions in between games. I actually have to say, how he talked to us, and told us what we need was very professional and smooth. He had a good amount of positivity in his voice to help motivate us to do what he asked of us. In my experience, a stand up guy, who seems like he gets abso-fucking-lutely bombarded by fans who don't know what it's like to be bombarded like that. Those aren't prominent community figures who have everything to lose by bashing him... is that supposed to mean anything? Neither are 3gd or cardac. I edited my post while you were writing yours, btw, to include a quotation from xeris. The vast majority of interactions with day9 are positive. Actually they have a lot to lose, you should inform yourself about these people(and this subject as a whole). I met Day9 in person and found him to be a funny, nice, courteous guy. He told jokes, drank some beers and was basically just a regular sort of dude. I've informed myself about the "subject" of day9 more than most people in this thread as a result, since I've actually interacted with the dude. Then maybe you should try to look into the negative reports about his behaviour before you blindly defend him? Should I, though? Is it not sufficient for me to make my positive report, and to question people who have never met him and are making conjecture? Look, your statement seems to be that somehow 3gd or cardac are more entitled to their reports, or that their reports are more credible, than mine. My statement is that unless you personally have interacted with day9, I'm more entitled to my report than you are to your.. well, report, I guess, given that you've never met him. But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Did you even listen to what IdrA said about Day[9]?
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Day9 fake? Noooo way.
Seriously, every time he turns the camera back on his face and does this fake laugh u_u
After 1 daily I disliked him, but it doesn't mean he does not deserve the money he earns or that he didn't help esport.
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I am going to take a guess and say that in the next day or two, Day[9] is going to create a thread which completely shuts down all this bullshit.
Even though he shouldn't even need to give these speculations the time of day, he strikes me as the kind of person who would take these complains VERY seriously. Expect an explanation soon.
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But cadred idra and 2GD have met him, that's why they said what they said, do you read the thread at all?
Idra stated Sean was a nice guy and played Devil's Advocate concerning his financial gains. Not including him, if I had only two people in my life who disliked me, I'd be pretty happy. Unfortunately, no one is liked by everyone. You don't have to hate him though.
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On May 24 2012 20:33 Desert Fox wrote:
Smallerk: Pretend every nasty thing said about him is true. Pretend he was the height of rude during the attempt by the ESL crew to interview him.
Again, where does he say he has never been rude? Where does he say he has never uttered a nasty thing? He uses explicit language, he's spoken unconventionally about sex and he's cried for half an hour on a webcam. We're not dealing with a saint. You confuse professionalism with being phony in every sentence you write in this thread.
You are speaking on this without even knowing what people have said about him, you are trying to have a discussion without having all the facts, this doesn't make sense to me.
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