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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On May 30 2012 22:33 Zorkmid wrote: I'll bet you 50 bucks that the Celtics/Heat series goes more games than the SA/OKC series. 4-1 is what I've been claiming and I'm pretty sure it won't go no more than that. Also I'm positive that SA will get a 4-2 series. | ||
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XoXiDe
United States620 Posts
On May 30 2012 22:27 ShoCkeyy wrote: Still won't be traded anytime soon. And we're still doing great with them. Something I want to come and mention , OKC and spurs are battling it Hard against each other, by the time spurs make it to the finals, they will be tired out. While Miami looks like they wont need to use to much energy against Boston for the sheer fact that their an old team already as everyone stated. Finals scheduled to start Jun 12., depending on how long the series go there should still be a few days rest in between. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On May 30 2012 23:02 XoXiDe wrote: Finals scheduled to start Jun 12., depending on how long the series go there should still be a few days rest in between. OKC and SAS are battling hard? Really? The last 2 games haven't been defensive grinds at all, and Holcan here has been complaining about 100 point games! | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Good defense doesn't mean a defensive grind. Good defense was played, but both teams have offense that's crazy good. Good offense will beat good defense [though defense wins championships a lot]. btw, If Perkins ever gets the discretion to leave the paint, Duncan will twist that OKC defense like a goddamn pretzel. I swear. If MIA means SAS in the finals, that will be the first elite defense the Spurs meet these playoffs. It should be a new challenge, at least. Worse offense, better defense, the result which seems impossible to confidently predict. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
On May 30 2012 21:32 Hadley_ wrote: Sure, but thats stupid. Wade & LeBron both need the ball and that doesn't work. Look at LeBron when Wade was hurt, he played out of this world. Trading Wade for a BigMan like Dwight would be the best thing. LeBron would average 20apg with Bosh+Dwight. Isn't going to happe, but the team would be alot better with Dwight for Wade. Why do people still say this crap? Wade and LeBron are putting up 55-60 points a game in last 4 wins with over 55 fg %. How is this not working together? You realize they're the most dangerous 1-2 transition duo in the entire league? This Miami team isn't going to change for next year. You don't mess with chemistry that works well enough to easily get you to finals in consecutive years. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On May 30 2012 23:02 XoXiDe wrote: Finals scheduled to start Jun 12., depending on how long the series go there should still be a few days rest in between. Ya plus when you are rolling on all cylinders like SA is, they probably don't care as much for breaks due to their old age as much as they do about keeping this execution going all the way to the finals now. So they will have a positive spin to it no matter what happens. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On May 31 2012 00:26 Tien wrote: Why do people still say this crap? Wade and LeBron are putting up 55-60 points a game in last 4 wins with over 55 fg %. How is this not working together? You realize they're the most dangerous 1-2 transition duo in the entire league? This Miami team isn't going to change for next year. You don't mess with chemistry that works well enough to easily get you to finals in consecutive years. I'm too lazy to disagree with people that think that having two of the most explosive players in NBA history on the same team is a BAD thing, but thanks for this post, and you're 1000% correct in this statement. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
The 2 best finishers in the league barrelling down the court vs 1 or 2 defenders = 2 points 90% of the time, every time. Not only that, both LeBron and Wade are high up there with their passing ability and court vision. Defenders in that position stand no chance. Best to foul them any way they can without giving up a clear path foul. 15 foot jump shots and turnovers are Miami's best friends. When you miss those jumpers, the rebound goes right back out and that allows LeBron and Wade to sprint down the court and play off each other for easy buckets. Same with turnovers. If you trade Wade, you are giving up 5-10 easy transition points a game. It's just not worth it. You have to keep the 2 together, because they make each player better. How you beat Miami is how the Spurs play. Dominant post player that can abuse Miami's small front court, and offensive execution and ball movement. When you move the ball well enough and end up passing to the open guy in the corner, whether he makes or misses that 3 won't matter. 3's in the corner don't rebound out to the free throw area for a quick transition game. It will take Miami 7 games to bea the Spurs IF they even get that far. Popovich is keeping Duncan's minutes as low as he possibly can to keep the dude rested. I have a feeling he's saving Duncan for the finals. Duncan is often times going to collapse Bosh as well as Anthony into the post, mess up the rotations, and Spurs will find that open 3 in the corner eventually. It's a very very scary matchup for Miami and not sure what Spoeltra can do. If Miami does win vs Spurs, it will take herculean game play from LeBron / Wade and incredible coaching from Speoltra. Can they do it to win 4 games out of 7? Very very hard. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:35 Tien wrote: It's how easy they get transition points. The 2 best finishers in the league barrelling down the court vs 1 or 2 defenders = 2 points 90% of the time, every time. Not only that, both LeBron and Wade are high up there with their passing ability and court vision. Defenders in that position stand no chance. Best to foul them any way they can without giving up a clear path foul. 15 foot jump shots and turnovers are Miami's best friends. When you miss those jumpers, the rebound goes right back out and that allows LeBron and Wade to sprint down the court and play off each other for easy buckets. Same with turnovers. If you trade Wade, you are giving up 5-10 easy transition points a game. It's just not worth it. You have to keep the 2 together, because they make each player better. How you beat Miami is how the Spurs play. Dominant post player that can abuse Miami's small front court, and offensive execution and ball movement. When you move the ball well enough and end up passing to the open guy in the corner, whether he makes or misses that 3 won't matter. 3's in the corner don't rebound out to the free throw area for a quick transition game. It will take Miami 7 games to bea the Spurs IF they even get that far. Not even, I feel that our defense is well enough to combat spurs offense easily... Like I've said, put a big fast person (wade on Parker) and Lebron on Duncan and so on. That will give them a lot of trouble in the offense part. You just have to crush their offense with our defense and will have the games in our hands. Yes they have extreme ball movement, but will they be able to move it with a defense like ours? All the teams they've played have normal defenses. Ours is one of the best in the leagues, can't argue that at all. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
We're also expecting LeBron to play 42-44 minutes a game and give Miami 30/8/7 game with Wade giving 30 point performances while gaurding either Parker or Ginobili. Our rotations have to be absolutely perfect. Miami gives away a lot of open 3s because we overhelp on defense and trap a lot, exposing the open man. Eric Spoeltra is going to have an entire buffet of strategy to digest before coming up with a game plan that can work vs Spurs. Basically what I'm saying is it is possible for Miami to win, but Miami is not the favorites at all. | ||
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Not even, I feel that our defense is well enough to combat spurs offense easily... Like I've said, put a big fast person (wade on Parker) and Lebron on Duncan and so on. That will give them a lot of trouble in the offense part. You just have to crush their offense with our defense and will have the games in our hands. Yes they have extreme ball movement, but will they be able to move it with a defense like ours? All the teams they've played have normal defenses. Ours is one of the best in the leagues, can't argue that at all. You're out of your mind. The Spurs are going to 4-0 whoever they meet in the Finals. You somehow think that a two-man team is going to beat the Spurs? Are you even watching the Spurs' games? You think D-Wade is somehow going to shut down Parker even though Westbrook can't and he's one of the fastest players in the league? You must be trollin' homie. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:52 A3iL3r0n wrote: You're out of your mind. The Spurs are going to 4-0 whoever they meet in the Finals. You somehow think that a two-man team is going to beat the Spurs? Are you even watching the Spurs' games? You think D-Wade is somehow going to shut down Parker even though Westbrook can't and he's one of the fastest players in the league? You must be trollin' homie. Why does everyone keep saying Miami is a 2 man team... IT'S NOT. It has an amazing bench and amazing starters, just stop.Westbrook =/= Wade. | ||
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Saeglopur
Canada177 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why does everyone keep saying Miami is a 2 man team... IT'S NOT. It has an amazing bench and amazing starters, just stop.Westbrook =/= Wade. If the Heat bench is amazing, then how would you describe San Antonio's? | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
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Whatson
United States5357 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:56 ShoCkeyy wrote: Why does everyone keep saying Miami is a 2 man team... IT'S NOT. It has an amazing bench and amazing starters, just stop.Westbrook =/= Wade. Heat's bench is trash compared to Spur's. | ||
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XoXiDe
United States620 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:07 Zorkmid wrote: I wonder what we're going to talk about tomorrow when the ECF is 1-1. Oh, I truly hope so. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On May 31 2012 03:06 Saeglopur wrote: If the Heat bench is amazing, then how would you describe San Antonio's? They're alright + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.allmystery.de/i/t8e2da3_trollface.jpg) No but seriously, I've seen spurs usually use like four players of their bench that are amazing at moving the ball too, but I feel like the Heats bench is so much better when it comes to defense. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On May 31 2012 02:38 ShoCkeyy wrote: Not even, I feel that our defense is well enough to combat spurs offense easily... Like I've said, put a big fast person (wade on Parker) and Lebron on Duncan and so on. That will give them a lot of trouble in the offense part. You just have to crush their offense with our defense and will have the games in our hands. Yes they have extreme ball movement, but will they be able to move it with a defense like ours? All the teams they've played have normal defenses. Ours is one of the best in the leagues, can't argue that at all. I know you're a biased fan but you really need to temper your bias if you want to be taken seriously. It's one thing to say that MIA's defense is great and that it could play a large part in helping them beat the Spurs if the two meet in the Finals, it's another to say that it will stop the Spurs' offense "easily". Statements like "just have to crush their offense with our defense and will have the games in our hands" is entirely without any support or factual basis, ignores even the most basic nuances of the game, and just comes off as laughable. It's akin to Shaq's comment the other night about how the team that scores the most points is going to win. There's a reason that comment was ridiculed and Shaq received flack for it. Realize that the Heat's defense, as good as it is, has been weak against 3pt shooting all season. They were ranked 25th in opponent 3P% and second to last in opponent 3PM. That is not a good sign when matching up against the best 3pt shooting team in the league. In comparison, the Thunder ranked 9th in opponent 3P% and 14th in opponent 3PM, and look at what the Spurs are doing to them. As for your comment that all the teams the Spurs have played are "normal defenses" and that MIA will be a whole different story because theirs is "one of the best", take a look at the numbers again. In the regular season, OKC was ranked 3rd in opponent FG% while MIA was ranked 5th, OKC was ranked 5th in opponent points per shot and MIA was ranked 8th, OKC was ranked 4th in opponent eFG% and MIA was ranked 9th, etc. I'm not saying the Thunder are a better defensive team than the Heat (I don't think they are), but they're definitely a great defensive team on par with the Heat and they're getting killed by the Spurs on defense. What makes you think the Heat will do so much better? I don't agree with everyone that the Spurs are going to kill the Heat if they meet in the Finals, but I do think that the Heat should have some serious concerns about that potential matchup. You can argue that the series will be competitive, but arguing that the Heat will beat the Spurs easily based on what we know and the available data comes off as ignorant and can only be based on blind bias. At the very least qualify your statements by saying that they're based entirely off of your own opinion and feelings, and acknowledge that the facts don't support them. There's nothing wrong with a fan believing their team will win, but be reasonable about it. At the end of the day, all you've been doing is making conclusive statements with no data or factual support. If you've done the research, you aren't indicating it at all in your posting. As a result, your opinions are not being taken seriously and are being viewed as blind fanboyism. If you're okay with that, go right ahead and stick to what you're doing. But if you want to convince people or have people take you seriously, then try to be more informed in your posting. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
The key matchup will be Miami defense vs Spurs offense and that won't be a individual vs individual; it will be team vs team. Of course, we say all this with one series 2-0 and another 1-0, but it's fun to speculate. | ||
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