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On April 26 2012 10:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 09:33 Myrddraal wrote:On April 26 2012 00:03 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 25 2012 23:19 Myrddraal wrote:On April 24 2012 20:22 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices. Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.  well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2. Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching. The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me. On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices. I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2. Time to say goodbye.  Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped. But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way. On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices. Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn. well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2. Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2. Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/ In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest. I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is. Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you. WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players? lol, you sound just like every other ignorant person who doesn't understand that the almost every top players are Koreans who have played BW at a high level, relative to foreigners. Also, I think my mindset is perfectly legitimate. If I think that SC2 is a garbage game that's not worth my attention, I'm going to think that way, and if BW pros switch, then I'm just not going to watch them. I don't understand how that's childish at all. Tell me who was better in BW out of Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP and Nada, Boxer and July? Also ForGG switched over more recently and showed that his BW mechanics could only get him so far, he made it into code S but not past the first round. Hyun switched over even more recently and he didn't make it past the first round of code A. Your mindset is perfectly legitimate, for a child, so of course you don't understand. The childish part is not that you don't like Sc2, can't you comprehend a simple statement? I said that your stereotyping of fans is childish. Your ignorance on this topic means there's really no point in actually discussing this with you, because you obviously haven't followed BW enough to make any arguments regarding the relative skill levels of BW players. Nada/Boxer/July are past their prime and are pretty bad relative to everyone else. MVP actually took a game off of Flash. Regardless, any of the first four can probably beat Nada, Boxer, and July consistently (actually, I don't know about MMA or MKP, but the point is still the same). Also, both Hyun and ForGG are just bad. ForGG would 2fac every game and would sunken break every Zerg. Those are strategies that inherently don't transition well and he's still in Code S. lol, easy transition if I've ever seen one. You're just ignorant. I don't know why you keep arguing about who's better in BW when you clearly don't even know yourself.
Keep arguing? I made one statement about BW players and it was a genuine question. My point is that BW skill does not necessarily translate straight into SC2. You assume that just because players were better at BW means they will be better at SC2, not just given time and practice but straight away, that is just not the case. For months players like Flash will be mediocre at SC2, especially if they are only half practicing it while still practicing BW, to think otherwise is underestimating the current Korean SC2 talent.
Actually no, ForGG made it back into code S and got knocked out in the first round again, at least he managed to win one match this time, but your ignorance on the topic makes it not worth discussing I suppose...
You are clearly so blinded by BW bias that I can't be bothered trying to argue with you anymore, I hope you stick around long enough after the switch to see your heroes fall to "trash players" like MVP, Nestea and MC.
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On April 26 2012 15:20 ShadeR wrote:
day9 explained it better than me in baseballs vs frizbees. problem is i cant view sc2 as a stand alone title. its all relative. cue sex analogy. once you go black you never go back.
Well you are entitled to you opinion on the two games. I kinda hope you figure at a way to appreciate SC2 in for its own merits and not allow your love of BW jade any potential enjoyment to be had from SC2. Its for both sides hard to seperate the games from all the drama and stuff that goes on around it, but maybe in a couple years Team BW and Team SC2 will just merge to Team SC or something. We can all get together and kick the next C&C game in the nuts.
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lol at people saying FLASH didn't no what untis do in sc2, it took literally 1~2 hours at most to learn all the units and buildings of three races. please name one players who was really dominant in BW and is now dominating in SC2.
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No one.... because no one domination has switched... 0.O
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On April 26 2012 17:05 HellionDrop wrote:
lol at people saying FLASH didn't no what untis do in sc2, it took literally 1~2 hours at most to learn all the units and buildings of three races. please name one players who was really dominant in BW and is now dominating in SC2.
Please name one player who was really dominant in Brood War when they switched to Starcraft 2.
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lol fine, but at least it shows that even in a best case scenario, very few top tier BW pros is actually going to dominate, in fact i think people who can do well are those who are still very young and have tons of upside. and to people who think having good mechanic in BW gives you any advantage, i argue that it's like a person who can type super fast in one language and is now asked to type in another langauge he's not very familiar with. Sure he can move his fingers fast, but compares to the native he's going to be limited.
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Really wanted to see all the BW pros especially the top caliber players stick to their races, although unrealistic one can dream...
Good luck to Bisu and I can't wait to see his Terran/Toss just him play in general actually lol
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On April 26 2012 17:27 HellionDrop wrote:
lol fine, but at least it shows that even in a best case scenario, very few top tier BW pros is actually going to dominate, in fact i think people who can do well are those who are still very young and have tons of upside. and to people who think having good mechanic in BW gives you any advantage, i argue that it's like a person who can type super fast in one language and is now asked to type in another langauge he's not very familiar with. Sure he can move his fingers fast, but compares to the native he's going to be limited.
...Um. Flash is really young. He's still only 19. He still has countless years ahead of him to dominate in every game he touches.
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On April 26 2012 17:40 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 17:27 HellionDrop wrote:
lol fine, but at least it shows that even in a best case scenario, very few top tier BW pros is actually going to dominate, in fact i think people who can do well are those who are still very young and have tons of upside. and to people who think having good mechanic in BW gives you any advantage, i argue that it's like a person who can type super fast in one language and is now asked to type in another langauge he's not very familiar with. Sure he can move his fingers fast, but compares to the native he's going to be limited. ...Um. Flash is really young. He's still only 19. He still has countless years ahead of him to dominate in every game he touches.
i'm not talking about just one player, but in general. Up to date, none of the so-called BW legends are the best in sc2, Granted that they are all past their prime, but the competition really isn't any easier. Not trying to compare two games, there are very talented players on both sides, so i really don't think the switch would be easy for the BW pros.
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For all those Protoss fans, there will always be ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png) HoeJJa and KT to cheer for if ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) Bisu ends up betraying his loyalty for Aiur. He will become the first Protoss bonjwa.
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On April 21 2012 11:34 Caladbolg wrote:Thanks! Show nested quote +On April 21 2012 11:28 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 21 2012 11:22 Caladbolg wrote:On April 21 2012 11:17 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 21 2012 11:16 Caladbolg wrote:On April 21 2012 11:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 21 2012 11:06 Fanek wrote:IllIllIlIlII - this is one of MKP account, also Puzzle and other Slayers players and other SC2 pross i can bet pros BW using koreans nicknames, example: "Horang2 90% winrate in Korean Grandmaster before" so he probably get GM also in season 7, so it could be this guy http://sc2ranks.com/kr/869893/로켓단69/15 82.14% ------- http://kr.battle.net/sc2/ko/profile/217724/1/한니발/maybe Flash - 71/11 86.59% btw. I'm form SC2 forum  No, most likely not. And the last guy is hannibal, certainly not flash. To think that the top BW pros would be top of GM with 80% winrate playing only part time is way overestimating their abilities. That's close to MKP status. It took both forgg and hyun a lot longer to achieve anything even close to that. Forgg and Hyun are not good representations of the BW skillset. And sc2 isn't a good representation of the BW skillset.... Sc2 isn't a direct representation. Lemme quote you a bit. "To think that the top BW pros would be top of GM with 80% winrate playing only part time is way overestimating their abilities." That's a conclusion of law (sorry, lawyer). Now, let's look at your basis for saying this. " That's close to MKP status. It took both forgg and hyun a lot longer to achieve anything even close to that." And I simply said: No. Your conclusion is not supported by your facts. The fact that BW coaches have said their players have reached GM, and that one (Horang2) has an obnoxious winrate... well at least that's testimonial support for the position that BW players can play SC2 at a high level without a whole lot of practice time (at least, not equivalent to the current SC2 pros when they first joined the SC2 scene). ? Rofl nothing in this thread is supported by facts, it's just all best guessing. Can you actually prove that that player is horang? And I don't doubt they probably could reach GM, but 70-80% winrate? Nah. In fact, the best evidence all leads to pointing that the smurf accounts aren't BW pros but regular SC2 pros on smurfs (the players stream themselves playing on those accounts). No, it's FACT that the BW coaches SAID things. As far as BW pros are concerned, that's the evidence available. Now you come here and mouth off that BW pros can't possibly reach MKP level (on the ladder) without equivalent playing time... and I call bullshit on that. You have no proof whatsoever, just your perception that somehow Sc2 ladder is sacred ground. That SC2 streamers play on barcode accounts. What kind of proof is that? Negative proof? That's extremely weak to come up with conclusions of fact. Remember, the main argument we're having is that "BW pros can or cannot get to 70-80% on GM KR Ladder." And on that account, I have the interview to support my conclusion that they can. And you have... nothing. And I agree with the above post. SC2 ladder =/= GSL. GSL is definitely the peak of SC2 play right now. However, many of the current GSL superstars (DRG especially, cause I followed him while he was failing in Code B) were born from sick ladder results/play.
Don't enjoy self-quoting, but:
On April 26 2012 17:46 lastshadow wrote:
Some of the lllllllll's on kr ladder are in fact, yes, STX progamers, but no other team or progamers are doing this that I'm aware of.
LS is a mainstay on KR masters/gm so he'd probably know.
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On April 26 2012 17:05 HellionDrop wrote:
lol at people saying FLASH didn't no what untis do in sc2, it took literally 1~2 hours at most to learn all the units and buildings of three races. please name one players who was really dominant in BW and is now dominating in SC2.
Noone dominant at the time of their switch has switched. The best player at the time of their switch was MVP and he is the most accomplished SC2 player.
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On April 26 2012 18:47 Valikyr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 17:05 HellionDrop wrote:
lol at people saying FLASH didn't no what untis do in sc2, it took literally 1~2 hours at most to learn all the units and buildings of three races. please name one players who was really dominant in BW and is now dominating in SC2. Noone dominant at the time of their switch has switched. The best player at the time of their switch was MVP and he is the most accomplished SC2 player.
This may just be my opinion, but I feel hyun was a better BW player when he switched
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On April 26 2012 16:23 Myrddraal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 10:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 26 2012 09:33 Myrddraal wrote:On April 26 2012 00:03 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 25 2012 23:19 Myrddraal wrote:On April 24 2012 20:22 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices. Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn. well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2. Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching. The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me. On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices. I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2. Time to say goodbye. Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped. But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way. On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices. Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn. well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2. Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2. Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/ In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest. I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is. Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you. WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players? lol, you sound just like every other ignorant person who doesn't understand that the almost every top players are Koreans who have played BW at a high level, relative to foreigners. Also, I think my mindset is perfectly legitimate. If I think that SC2 is a garbage game that's not worth my attention, I'm going to think that way, and if BW pros switch, then I'm just not going to watch them. I don't understand how that's childish at all. Tell me who was better in BW out of Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP and Nada, Boxer and July? Also ForGG switched over more recently and showed that his BW mechanics could only get him so far, he made it into code S but not past the first round. Hyun switched over even more recently and he didn't make it past the first round of code A. Your mindset is perfectly legitimate, for a child, so of course you don't understand. The childish part is not that you don't like Sc2, can't you comprehend a simple statement? I said that your stereotyping of fans is childish. Your ignorance on this topic means there's really no point in actually discussing this with you, because you obviously haven't followed BW enough to make any arguments regarding the relative skill levels of BW players. Nada/Boxer/July are past their prime and are pretty bad relative to everyone else. MVP actually took a game off of Flash. Regardless, any of the first four can probably beat Nada, Boxer, and July consistently (actually, I don't know about MMA or MKP, but the point is still the same). Also, both Hyun and ForGG are just bad. ForGG would 2fac every game and would sunken break every Zerg. Those are strategies that inherently don't transition well and he's still in Code S. lol, easy transition if I've ever seen one. You're just ignorant. I don't know why you keep arguing about who's better in BW when you clearly don't even know yourself. Keep arguing? I made one statement about BW players and it was a genuine question. My point is that BW skill does not necessarily translate straight into SC2. You assume that just because players were better at BW means they will be better at SC2, not just given time and practice but straight away, that is just not the case. For months players like Flash will be mediocre at SC2, especially if they are only half practicing it while still practicing BW, to think otherwise is underestimating the current Korean SC2 talent. Actually no, ForGG made it back into code S and got knocked out in the first round again, at least he managed to win one match this time, but your ignorance on the topic makes it not worth discussing I suppose... You are clearly so blinded by BW bias that I can't be bothered trying to argue with you anymore, I hope you stick around long enough after the switch to see your heroes fall to "trash players" like MVP, Nestea and MC.
Does not translate straight into SC2: Every SC2 player who was better in BW is a top player. Even if you point at one example where it doesn't apply, in statistics we call that an outlier.
All I'm saying is you're ignorant. I have BW bias, I admit, but people around here know already that all I do is tell people why what they're saying is just wrong, and that doesn't stop you from just not knowing you're talking about. When you're pointing at random BW pros thinking they're comparable to people like Flash, it's hilarious because Flash is on another level.
And again, if people are so adamant that BW pros are "going to get stomped" for a few months, why does everyone even care about them switching over? The games are so different, why do you expect the players to be the same? Just kind of shows the level difference between really good players (bw players considering the switch) and terrible players (the bw players that got stomped on by the bw players considering the switch and switched first to sc2 to get an early lead).
Flash jumped onto the scene at age 16 and destroyed everyone. There was no time for "adjustments". He just killed people, and if I recall correctly he wasn't even playing the game for very long, relative to everyone else.
BW is easily harder to learn than SC2. I fail to see why Flash won't just do the same and stomp.
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I am personally just as excited to see all the new 'no-name' BW players that could make this their chance to shine
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Hope Bisu sticks with Protoss really. SC2 style Protoss would fit him 100% imo. So much room for sneakyness and multi-tasking!
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On April 26 2012 20:10 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 18:47 Valikyr wrote:On April 26 2012 17:05 HellionDrop wrote:
lol at people saying FLASH didn't no what untis do in sc2, it took literally 1~2 hours at most to learn all the units and buildings of three races. please name one players who was really dominant in BW and is now dominating in SC2. Noone dominant at the time of their switch has switched. The best player at the time of their switch was MVP and he is the most accomplished SC2 player. This may just be my opinion, but I feel hyun was a better BW player when he switched
Really? oh, you have an MBC tag.
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Yeah, this should provide some epic epic games. However I believe that this wave of highly motivated, talented, experienced pro gamers will spell disaster for any foreigner aiming to win international events. ;O.
Within one year flash will be top 3 terran, anyone who thinks differently must have stopped watching sc1 proleague. The guy is a robot ;o.
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lol @ all the "whoever is good @ sc2, was somewhat, somewhere good @ bw or on a bw pro team. If there are top players that didnt play BW they are outliers"
ROFL. how about polt + all the wc3 players doing well?
On April 26 2012 20:16 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Does not translate straight into SC2: Every SC2 player who was better in BW is a top player. Even if you point at one example where it doesn't apply, in statistics we call that an outlier.
All I'm saying is you're ignorant.
aren't you being ignorant yourself by calling every top level sc2 player who hasnt played bw as "outliers". Basically just a sneaky way of discrediting the game, saying its shit and BW players will stop cuz BW takes skill? thats the message conveyed no?
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On April 26 2012 22:52 MDMA_ wrote:lol @ all the "whoever is good @ sc2, was somewhat, somewhere good @ bw or on a bw pro team. If there are top players that didnt play BW they are outliers" ROFL. how about polt + all the wc3 players doing well? Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 20:16 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Does not translate straight into SC2: Every SC2 player who was better in BW is a top player. Even if you point at one example where it doesn't apply, in statistics we call that an outlier.
All I'm saying is you're ignorant.
aren't you being ignorant yourself by calling every top level sc2 player who hasnt played bw as "outliers". Basically just a sneaky way of discrediting the game, saying its shit and BW players will stop cuz BW takes skill? thats the message conveyed no?
You need to get your eyes cleaned. There's a difference between "all good BW pros are doing well in SC2" and "all pros doing well in SC2 were also good at BW." It's like the first thing you learn in logic.
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