EPTBisu as terran in SC2 ? - Page 24
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SKDN
Sweden243 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Really? Flash made his run abusing 1-rax cc against anything and everything. The recently concluded SKT vs KT finals featured multiple games where the winner had an inferior build order. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On April 25 2012 05:43 andrewlt wrote: Really? Flash made his run abusing 1-rax cc against anything and everything. The recently concluded SKT vs KT finals featured multiple games where the winner had an inferior build order. It been said a million times and often gets shot down, but I would say in time SC2 will come down to similar needs as BW. The way its designed causes engagement to end faster, but when there are enough players with pretty flawless build execution, it will force players to be able to survive even with less that optimal build or unit choices. Players won't gg once they scout a build that work well against their general route. I think the scene and standard of play has grown exponentially on global scale from launch, in great part due to BW lessons and training methods developed and carried over to SC2. But I really don't think we hit a ceiling yet. Perhaps the growth is slowing down such that more minor advancements are distinguishing players from one another, but thats much like BW no? At launch it was a game based on miles, then feet, inches, etc. Thats what interests me. I was not fortunate enough to be there to see the competitive BW scene evolve into its current nuances, so I do enjoy seeing SC2 grow. Although comparatively it might seem like fast forwarding since SC2 scene has the benefit of dodging pitfalls that BW had to learn the hard way. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
On April 25 2012 05:43 andrewlt wrote: Really? Flash made his run abusing 1-rax cc against anything and everything. The recently concluded SKT vs KT finals featured multiple games where the winner had an inferior build order. Well you should remember that there is a huge difference between an opening and a build. And actually Flash changes up his style vastly game to game (especially in TvZ, and TvT... TvP by nature allows less viable options from Terrans). I agree though that Flash isn't a guaranteed bonjwa. The lack of control in sc2 compared to BW allows players to reap a lot of success by committing to stupid risky blind strategies. If anything we might just have a ton of people who are all around the same level and all win around the same amount, which I would love since it would either kill sc2 or force the developers to make it a better game. | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
On April 25 2012 04:56 SKDN wrote: when broodwar pros move over to sc2 its like when columbus colonized over to America, in other words we are doomed! Despite their great mechanics, the BW pros still need to adjust to their understanding of the game. I think their early games will end up like this: Flash vs Incontrol: Flash doesn't know that DT's can be warped to proxy pylons, got his turrets 20 seconds late. Proceeds to lose the game to Incontrol's DT's. Jaeding vs Incontrol: Jaedong thinks that overlords can still detect invis units, doesn't make an overseer and loses to Incontrol's DT's. Bisu vs Incontrol: Loses to Incontrol's 4 gate. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:01 ppshchik wrote: Despite their great mechanics, the BW pros still need to adjust to their understanding of the game. I think their early games will end up like this: Flash vs Incontrol: Flash doesn't know that DT's can be warped to proxy pylons, got his turrets 20 seconds late. Proceeds to lose the game to Incontrol's DT's. Jaeding vs Incontrol: Jaedong thinks that overlords can still detect invis units, doesn't make an overseer and loses to Incontrol's DT's. Bisu vs Incontrol: Loses to Incontrol's 4 gate. Nah nah. I think more the same old same old will happen. Bisu mistakens GSL for an OSL and loses in qualifiers to  misoFlash stims 5 times in 1 second, loses control group of marines to 1 baneling. Jaedong wonders why he has so few units, only to end up discovering 50 supply worth of ultras and infestors stuck at his main choke. | ||
Kiett
United States7639 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:01 ppshchik wrote: Despite their great mechanics, the BW pros still need to adjust to their understanding of the game. I think their early games will end up like this: Flash vs Incontrol: Flash doesn't know that DT's can be warped to proxy pylons, got his turrets 20 seconds late. Proceeds to lose the game to Incontrol's DT's. Jaeding vs Incontrol: Jaedong thinks that overlords can still detect invis units, doesn't make an overseer and loses to Incontrol's DT's. Bisu vs Incontrol: Loses to Incontrol's 4 gate. ...Yes. Flash is that stupid. He's gotten all the way to Masters without ever realizing that Protoss has warpgates. At least be creative about it -_- | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:07 LuckyMacro wrote: Nah nah. I think more the same old same old will happen. Bisu mistakens GSL for an OSL and loses in qualifiers to misoFlash stims 5 times in 1 second, loses control group of marines to 1 baneling. Jaedong wonders why he has so few units, only to end up discovering 50 supply worth of ultras and infestors stuck at his main choke. I lol'd You forgot to add, "and Jaedong still wins anyway". | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
That shit isn't even close to believable so it's not funny. You should be using persons like former bonjwas NaDa, BoxeR and July (he was at least semi-bonjwa), or former BW scrubs like MVP, MC and NesTea, or former BW scrubber-scrubs like MMA and DRG. Yeah, it's gonna be like, "oh shit, MMA actually beat Flash in an RTS" for a couple months. | ||
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Le French
France782 Posts
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
 Bisu will play terran. I'm Bisu fan and also Protoss fan. How will i root for him when he plays a race that i usually want to lose? :-\ | ||
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cLicK
Canada450 Posts
 Bisu switches to terran, just make Shine switch to protoss ;DThe balance of starleague shall be restored once again. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:41 tyCe wrote: Guys when you make jokes about how BW pros can't adjust to SC2, you can't use iNcontroL in the example as the person who randomly beats TLBS. That shit isn't even close to believable so it's not funny. You should be using persons like former bonjwas NaDa, BoxeR and July (he was at least semi-bonjwa), or former BW scrubs like MVP, MC and NesTea, or former BW scrubber-scrubs like MMA and DRG. Yeah, it's gonna be like, "oh shit, MMA actually beat Flash in an RTS" for a couple months. Incontrol actually won a game online against jaedong in ZvZ. Replay was on site at some point. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 25 2012 16:30 cLicK wrote: If Bisu switches to terran, just make Shine switch to protoss ;DThe balance of starleague shall be restored once again. It makes me kind of wish Kwanro played SC2 so Blizzard would nerf banelings. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On April 25 2012 15:41 tyCe wrote: Guys when you make jokes about how BW pros can't adjust to SC2, you can't use iNcontroL in the example as the person who randomly beats TLBS. That shit isn't even close to believable so it's not funny. You should be using persons like former bonjwas NaDa, BoxeR and July (he was at least semi-bonjwa), or former BW scrubs like MVP, MC and NesTea, or former BW scrubber-scrubs like MMA and DRG. Yeah, it's gonna be like, "oh shit, MMA actually beat Flash in an RTS" for a couple months. The coaches themselves said that BW skill does not necessarily translate to SCII skill. Who knows how good Bisu, Flash and Jaedong will be? With their work-ethic they should get far but who knows how they can handle 3D. | ||
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Autotroph
United Kingdom940 Posts
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote: I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2. Time to say goodbye.  If you're a real fan you support your heroes through everything. If you're a real fan you want to show them you're still there even though their world is getting broken down and put back together in another quise. If you're a real fan you would understand that it will be so much harder for them to switch than it will be for you. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
On April 25 2012 16:25 Jenia6109 wrote: It's rather weird if Bisu will play terran. I'm Bisu fan and also Protoss fan. How will i root for him when he plays a race that i usually want to lose? :-\Lol we have the same problem here. Yesterday I went on Liquidpedia trying to read some SC2 Terran BO, but the anti-terran mind of me is just too strong that I started to hate myself so I stopped. Bisu, why.... | ||
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
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