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Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
April 24 2012 04:47 GMT
#421
On April 24 2012 13:06 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 12:59 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
On April 24 2012 09:38 empty.bottle wrote:
On April 24 2012 08:51 Art.FeeL wrote:
On April 24 2012 08:43 unknownGamer wrote:
On April 24 2012 02:46 Grampz wrote:
On April 23 2012 22:09 unknownGamer wrote:
On April 23 2012 22:00 wassbix wrote:
On April 23 2012 21:05 algue wrote:
On April 23 2012 19:26 sluggaslamoo wrote:




sick ! never saw this vid !
Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2


The highlights of this match was mostly

Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.

edit: and insane scourge dodging too

Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.

I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.

boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!

You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!


Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.


Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!!
He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too.


Bisu has literally never even been in the finals of an OSL.


this is true. i don't understand why people keep saying he has won OSLs when its simply not a fact.

...lol
Writer:o
Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
April 24 2012 05:36 GMT
#422
This is crazy... bisu on terran would be ridiculous.
SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 24 2012 05:53 GMT
#423
hope not.

protoss and zerg need more top top players in sc2, but terran is rather oversaturated. there are more than 6 extremely good terrans already
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
April 24 2012 06:03 GMT
#424
On April 24 2012 13:47 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 13:06 Terranist wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:59 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:
On April 24 2012 09:38 empty.bottle wrote:
On April 24 2012 08:51 Art.FeeL wrote:
On April 24 2012 08:43 unknownGamer wrote:
On April 24 2012 02:46 Grampz wrote:
On April 23 2012 22:09 unknownGamer wrote:
On April 23 2012 22:00 wassbix wrote:
On April 23 2012 21:05 algue wrote:
[quote]

sick ! never saw this vid !
Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2


The highlights of this match was mostly

Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.

edit: and insane scourge dodging too

Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.

I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.

boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!

You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!


Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.


Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!!
He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too.


Bisu has literally never even been in the finals of an OSL.


this is true. i don't understand why people keep saying he has won OSLs when its simply not a fact.

...lol


oh wow....lol
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 06:09:41
April 24 2012 06:07 GMT
#425
On April 24 2012 14:53 SilentBonjwa wrote:
hope not.

protoss and zerg need more top top players in sc2, but terran is rather oversaturated. there are more than 6 extremely good terrans already

It's not a coincidence. The marine is one of the few units you can infinitely micro in SC2 (Now, with 10 more HP!) relative to BW where you had lings, hydras, vultures, mutas, wraiths, zealots, dragoons, shuttles, etc.... BW pros want to be able to micro units at insanely high levels. If SC2 had more units with micro potential and moving shot then things would be more balanced....but it doesn't, so players that seek at least some sense of satisfaction (and for self-interest) choose terran. It's a no-brainer, really.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
April 24 2012 06:53 GMT
#426
Flash: Make mech work in every mu (esp TvP)
Bisu: bring protoss to new level of multitask and teach how to use many casters at once
Jaedong: Show zergs how to properly be aggressive
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 24 2012 07:09 GMT
#427
On April 24 2012 15:53 Corsica wrote:
Flash: Make mech work in every mu (esp TvP)
Bisu: bring protoss to new level of multitask and teach how to use many casters at once
Jaedong: Show zergs how to properly be aggressive

Stork: Show everyone the power of Carriers ? -_- ;;
Stork[gm]
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
April 24 2012 07:17 GMT
#428
On April 24 2012 16:09 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 15:53 Corsica wrote:
Flash: Make mech work in every mu (esp TvP)
Bisu: bring protoss to new level of multitask and teach how to use many casters at once
Jaedong: Show zergs how to properly be aggressive

Stork: Show everyone the power of Carriers ? -_- ;;


no that would be Jangbi, Jangbi is NOTORIOUS for going 2base carriers in TvP.
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firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
April 24 2012 07:17 GMT
#429
I think he should stick with P, for all the fan boys/girls out there
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Darrens1
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada2 Posts
April 24 2012 07:20 GMT
#430
On April 21 2012 11:02 Caladbolg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 11:01 GTR wrote:
I am certain most of the IllIllIlIlII accounts on KR are the BW pros.


I have a feeling as well. They have ridiculous winrates with quite a lot of games played. Although I do remember someone in the SC2 forums saying that many of those are MarineKing's smurfs.

Winrates for those guys:

GM

70%
66%
66%
78%
65%
75%
58%
76%
67%
71%
57%
60%
57%
66%
61%
65%
61%
68%
54%
55%
66%
71%
48% (lol)
70%
71%
56%
62%
50%
84% (Terran = Flash?)
75%
50%


DRG has one of those IllIllIlIlII accounts as well, I doubt a lot of them are bw pros but it's possible still a lot of those could just be guys like leenock,nestea,drg,mkp,oz, etc..
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 24 2012 07:54 GMT
#431
Some of them are, forgg was playing protoss IIIIIIIIIII who was low master at GM MMR and he was having literally gold level forcefields while having good multitasking (well somehow he got this GM MMR) and weird compositions/timings. Its impossible to botch easy stuff while not having problems with difficult stuff unless you are kinda new to SC2 but have very good fundamentals.

Stork[gm]
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:19:48
April 24 2012 07:59 GMT
#432
On April 24 2012 16:17 Monokeros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:09 bgx wrote:
On April 24 2012 15:53 Corsica wrote:
Flash: Make mech work in every mu (esp TvP)
Bisu: bring protoss to new level of multitask and teach how to use many casters at once
Jaedong: Show zergs how to properly be aggressive

Stork: Show everyone the power of Carriers ? -_- ;;


no that would be Jangbi, Jangbi is NOTORIOUS for going 2base carriers in TvP.

I just wanted to put full TBLS, i just hate that everyone is forgetting "B" in TBLS
Stork[gm]
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
April 24 2012 08:13 GMT
#433
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.


Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:15:26
April 24 2012 08:14 GMT
#434

On April 24 2012 16:59 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:17 Monokeros wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:09 bgx wrote:
On April 24 2012 15:53 Corsica wrote:
Flash: Make mech work in every mu (esp TvP)
Bisu: bring protoss to new level of multitask and teach how to use many casters at once
Jaedong: Show zergs how to properly be aggressive

Stork: Show everyone the power of Carriers ? -_- ;;


no that would be Jangbi, Jangbi is NOTORIOUS for going 2base carriers in TvP.

I just wanted to put full TBLS, i just have the fact everyone is forgetting "B" in TBLS


Taek Bisu Lee Ssang???
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
April 24 2012 08:19 GMT
#435
On April 24 2012 16:20 Darrens1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 11:02 Caladbolg wrote:
On April 21 2012 11:01 GTR wrote:
I am certain most of the IllIllIlIlII accounts on KR are the BW pros.


I have a feeling as well. They have ridiculous winrates with quite a lot of games played. Although I do remember someone in the SC2 forums saying that many of those are MarineKing's smurfs.

Winrates for those guys:

GM

70%
66%
66%
78%
65%
75%
58%
76%
67%
71%
57%
60%
57%
66%
61%
65%
61%
68%
54%
55%
66%
71%
48% (lol)
70%
71%
56%
62%
50%
84% (Terran = Flash?)
75%
50%


DRG has one of those IllIllIlIlII accounts as well, I doubt a lot of them are bw pros but it's possible still a lot of those could just be guys like leenock,nestea,drg,mkp,oz, etc..

Maybe one or two of them are BW pros, but most of them are just SC2 teams shared accounts, and some players have individual IIIIIIIIIIIII accounts too.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 08:21:28
April 24 2012 08:20 GMT
#436
On April 24 2012 16:59 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:17 Monokeros wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:09 bgx wrote:
On April 24 2012 15:53 Corsica wrote:
Flash: Make mech work in every mu (esp TvP)
Bisu: bring protoss to new level of multitask and teach how to use many casters at once
Jaedong: Show zergs how to properly be aggressive

Stork: Show everyone the power of Carriers ? -_- ;;


no that would be Jangbi, Jangbi is NOTORIOUS for going 2base carriers in TvP.

I just wanted to put full TBLS, i just have the fact everyone is forgetting "B" in TBLS


The 2 base carrier build was really only for FailFinder, i could also sense a lot of Stork influence in that build.

Bang (Stork in case anyone mistakes the B for Bisu) is more famous for Carrier micro than JangBi anyway.
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SilentBonjwa
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany119 Posts
April 24 2012 08:33 GMT
#437
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.


Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.


well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
"Disliked by some, Loved by a few, Feared by everyone" fnatic.aLive
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
April 24 2012 08:39 GMT
#438
On April 24 2012 17:20 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 16:59 bgx wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:17 Monokeros wrote:
On April 24 2012 16:09 bgx wrote:
On April 24 2012 15:53 Corsica wrote:
Flash: Make mech work in every mu (esp TvP)
Bisu: bring protoss to new level of multitask and teach how to use many casters at once
Jaedong: Show zergs how to properly be aggressive

Stork: Show everyone the power of Carriers ? -_- ;;


no that would be Jangbi, Jangbi is NOTORIOUS for going 2base carriers in TvP.

I just wanted to put full TBLS, i just have the fact everyone is forgetting "B" in TBLS


The 2 base carrier build was really only for FailFinder, i could also sense a lot of Stork influence in that build.

Bang (Stork in case anyone mistakes the B for Bisu) is more famous for Carrier micro than JangBi anyway.

Well im not sure about The Truth, but the image was Stork is carrier bro, Jangbi is templar bro. While no one really knows the true statistics and shit. But 90% of talk on this forum is fanboyism so its ok

About the build, yup i had the same thought only Stork comes up with ridiculously greedy and terrible early game builds that somehow transition into most OP shit midgame when defended properly. Dino was written all over on it. I can imagine the conversation about the build, "yO J. i hear you gonna play this fkin cheeser, i have a build for ya ..."
Stork[gm]
Tailss
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden233 Posts
April 24 2012 09:43 GMT
#439
I cant even imagine Bisu playing another race (
phyren
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1067 Posts
April 24 2012 09:47 GMT
#440
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote:
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.


Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.


well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.


Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
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