sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!! He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too. EDIT: /sarcasm (If you didn't get it the joke's on you)
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!! He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too.
Didn't the coach interview say most players who switched race switched back once they started having trouble with their new race? I doubt we'll see much changing like that.
On April 24 2012 10:34 Ribbon wrote: Didn't the coach interview say most players who switched race switched back once they started having trouble with their new race? I doubt we'll see much changing like that.
most does not mean all, and going off of bisu's strengths and weaknesses terran is probably a better fit for him
marines & medivacs are a multitaskers dream, even moreso than speed prisms with storm and 20+ gateways backing them
On April 24 2012 10:34 Ribbon wrote: Didn't the coach interview say most players who switched race switched back once they started having trouble with their new race? I doubt we'll see much changing like that.
most does not mean all, and going off of bisu's strengths and weaknesses terran is probably a better fit for him
marines & medivacs are a multitaskers dream, even moreso than speed prisms with storm and 20+ gateways backing them
I really doubt it has to do with skill with the race more than muscle memory. Protoss players are just used to Protoss mechanics, and so forth. Hotkeys too...Zealot Z Nexus N Assimilator A Gateway G etc etc also muscle memory
On April 24 2012 10:34 Ribbon wrote: Didn't the coach interview say most players who switched race switched back once they started having trouble with their new race? I doubt we'll see much changing like that.
most does not mean all, and going off of bisu's strengths and weaknesses terran is probably a better fit for him
marines & medivacs are a multitaskers dream, even moreso than speed prisms with storm and 20+ gateways backing them
I really doubt it has to do with skill with the race more than muscle memory. Protoss players are just used to Protoss mechanics, and so forth. Hotkeys too...Zealot Z Nexus N Assimilator A Gateway G etc etc also muscle memory
Not exactly, in starcraft 2 a lot of things changed, first of all warpgate mechanic changed a lot of things, so know the protoss macro from BW is more simmilar to terran.
Also in Bw protoss harrased a lot, in starcraft 2 protoss harrass isnt very good...they are fixing that in HoTS and they buff the drop ship also, but terran in starcraft 2 is really the harrass race, basically you can harrass cost-efficiently with almost all your units, and the drop and multi drop play is very common.
Also terran is the race in starcraft 2 that has the highest skill cap, that means that you can micro a lot and get a great beneffit from that.
Protoss and zergs cant micro as much as terran, terrans units are very versatil and with stim they are so fast that you can micro the very very well, with protoss you cant do hit & run in the same way terrans do because stalkers have a delay while they are doing the animation and if you move soon that you should the stalked wont shoot (while mires in the moment that you stop they atack, also they can spread)
Stalkers in starcraft 2 can blink-micro, wich is great, but in the lategame when there are a lo more units simply you cant select 1 by one your stalkers and blink one by one to the back, so people blink them in groups but its not as effective.
Also in starcraft 2 protoss gate units arent very strong and the race relies in units from higher tech, and terrans relys mostly in tier 1 units with some support, in starcraft BW it was the oppsite way.
I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!! He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too.
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!! He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too.
At least Bisu isn't/wasn't a Kong liner
Hard to be a Kong liner if you go AFK mode from individual leagues for 3 years. ;D jk. not really.
On April 23 2012 19:08 Ncutable wrote: Sorry for not reading the thread in whole and maybe being a little off topic. But since some people said that Terran would fit Bisu's Multitasking capability so well. I really think that Zerg might have even more room for sick Multitasking than the other races. I'd love to see some high lvl BW pros using all control groups and constantly harrassing with small groups of Zerglings and always having some overlords around to drop undefended mineral lines etc. while keeping up with their Macro. It always makes me a little bit sad to not see Overlord Drop capability or also Burrow harrass used very often. But I guess when these high lvl pros switch, we'll see some sick Multitasking and harrassment from all the races. Also, I didn't want to say that Bisu should switch to Zerg. I don't want anyone to get offended since I am an absolute BW-newbie.
That kind of extremely fickle multitasking suits Jaedong better than Bisu. Jaedong can't multitask as well as Bisu, but his execution is sublime.
Watch how Jaedong uses one ling to deny spores until his mutas arive.
Bisu's multitasking is a lot more haphazard but at the same time, beautiful to watch. Commentators say he usually keeps tabs of 5 different screens at a time, "does he have 3 hands?!!" comes up quite a lot. He has a unique style of PvZ that others fruitlessly try to copy because they simply don't have the skill to keep corsairs roaming around the map non-stop with perfect macro and harass. He has a habit of losing his shuttle at critical moments a lot giving him the nickname "Kims Shuttle" though, its probably because he often tries to out-do himself by maintaining perfect macro with multitask.
, so I have to watch that later. But thanks for throwing some light on these things for a poor BW-latecomer. Here's hoping then that if Jaedong switches he will show us what Zerg is really able to do...
While these players will be ale to control excellently, i feel people ignore a few things. SC2 is a lot faster than BW. They will need to be faster to do all this harass etc. Secondly, have you looked at how fast MVPDongRaeGu is?. Don't tell me that anyone will be miles ahead of him. He sits constantly over 350 epm and went way higher in the recent MLG. 500 at times. I'm as excited as the next guy for them switching, but i'm cautious as to how fast they can actually be.
I think the biggest skill is actually doing 3 or more things at once. Obviously they could have a higher capability of that but wow would that be impressive.
Are people really now arguing SC2 as the harder game mechanically than BW.... Honestly?
Also lol at 500eapm uhhh you might want to recheck the definition of eapm
Also after googlin
Thats eapm chart from replays
No, he's arguing that its faster paced, not harder mechanically. Also you have to remember that those APM's are calculated based on normal game speed, to get their actual APM you have to multiply by 1.38 (from Liquipedia). I'm not saying that he was right with his eapm statement, but I just thought I would make sure that those stats are viewed in context.
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!! He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too.
Bisu has literally never even been in the finals of an OSL.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
The only edge those players like MVP would have would be more in-depth knowledge of the game since they would have played the game longer Can I take your bet? 200 US dollars.
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!! He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too.
Bisu has literally never even been in the finals of an OSL.
sick ! never saw this vid ! Would love to see a 5 prong attack on sc2
The highlights of this match was mostly
Sair/Reaver play, Speedshuttles, Sair/DT/HT. and a speedlot timing on the 4th at 11 o clock iirc.
edit: and insane scourge dodging too
Sadly half the units listed do not exist in SC2 so not sure what Bisu has to work with.
I think HoTS is around the corner though. I really hope bisu doesn't play protoss in sc2, protoss in sc2 is just boring. Hope he plays terran or zerg. That would be interesting.
boo this man! boooooooooooooooo!
You boo me?! I BOO YOU! Bisu for the swarm! GET INFESTED BY KERRIGAN!
Can't you see. Bisu is protoss and protoss is Bisu. Jaedong iz zerg and zerg is Jaedong. Flash is terran and terran is Flash. They are inseparable.
Yes Bisu has won more OSLs than any other protoss!!! He's prolly gonna win the last OSL too.
Bisu has literally never even been in the finals of an OSL.
this is true. i don't understand why people keep saying he has won OSLs when its simply not a fact.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
The only edge those players like MVP would have would be more in-depth knowledge of the game since they would have played the game longer Can I take your bet? 200 US dollars.
Can I get in on this? I'll throw another 200 in on jaedong beating MVP and I'll put money behind flash, bisu, or stork if you think they'll also be worse than MVP or any other major SCII pro.
EPT
so not sure what Bisu has to work with. 
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