I can unterstand Bisu if he switches. Right now Terran is the only race able to get constant results which is a result of game design.... In BW all races had the chance to play constantly on a very high level but in SC2 it's currently only Terrans that can get it done really as Terran is the race which is less reluctant on luck imho.
well bisu would be more than just good in comparison to the pros who are now famous. alive would be a good terran and bisu would be ridiculously awesome
On April 25 2012 16:25 Jenia6109 wrote: It's rather weird if Bisu will play terran. I'm Bisu fan and also Protoss fan. How will i root for him when he plays a race that i usually want to lose? :-\
Lol we have the same problem here. Yesterday I went on Liquidpedia trying to read some SC2 Terran BO, but the anti-terran mind of me is just too strong that I started to hate myself so I stopped. Bisu, why....
I decide to cheer for the player rather than race.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
plz dont switch do it for aiur..... or u become in a traitor protoss. U will dont have fans terrans because u was protoss and protoss hates u..............
On April 25 2012 15:41 tyCe wrote: Guys when you make jokes about how BW pros can't adjust to SC2, you can't use iNcontroL in the example as the person who randomly beats TLBS.
That shit isn't even close to believable so it's not funny. You should be using persons like former bonjwas NaDa, BoxeR and July (he was at least semi-bonjwa), or former BW scrubs like MVP, MC and NesTea, or former BW scrubber-scrubs like MMA and DRG.
Yeah, it's gonna be like, "oh shit, MMA actually beat Flash in an RTS" for a couple months.
Incontrol actually won a game online against jaedong in ZvZ.
Replay was on site at some point.
lol bo9 i am sure incontrol wont win more than 2 games ^^ , is about the % , not about a single win and you think incontrol can be compare against jaedong. all progamer is not god
On April 25 2012 15:41 tyCe wrote: Guys when you make jokes about how BW pros can't adjust to SC2, you can't use iNcontroL in the example as the person who randomly beats TLBS.
That shit isn't even close to believable so it's not funny. You should be using persons like former bonjwas NaDa, BoxeR and July (he was at least semi-bonjwa), or former BW scrubs like MVP, MC and NesTea, or former BW scrubber-scrubs like MMA and DRG.
Yeah, it's gonna be like, "oh shit, MMA actually beat Flash in an RTS" for a couple months.
Incontrol actually won a game online against jaedong in ZvZ.
Replay was on site at some point.
lol bo9 i am sure incontrol wont win more than 2 games ^^ , is about the % , not about a single win and you think incontrol can be compare against jaedong. all progamer is not god
in a bo9 he wouldn't win a single game random battlenet games are really different to tournament
On April 21 2012 10:40 Caladbolg wrote: As long as we're at it... I've been checking Sc2ranks pretty often lately, trying to find out who the BW progamers were. I'm not sure how many stuck with their original BW names and how many are playing under smurfs. Does anyone keep tabs on them?
Is FBH the BraQ guy on GM with a 74% win rate? Is the Bisu guy playing Protoss Bisu? (so many people early on had all sorts of iterations of Bisu as their name) Is GoojiLa = Kal? Etc etc.
I had a list before but somehow lost it.
Possible list (those not written in Korean characters) in order of points (descending). Take note season is relatively new. Some already have an amazing amount of games characteristic of BW pros (like forgg, etc)
GM
BraQ (FBH?) Bisu maRie
Masters
last zero KDY (Kim Dae Yeob?) GooJila (Kal?) Grape Shine firebathero (toss, lol) Stork Flash (zerg, below 50% winrate... I doubt) Sharp oDin Reality movie Free (zerg... I remember seeing a free before who was toss) Light (a bad zerg, likely not Light) GGPLAY (likely someone else's smurf, as ggplay was injured and stopped BW because of that injury) Stardust (terran, lol) Flash (66% toss) Bisu (47% toss) FanTaSy Midas effort
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players?
lol, you sound just like every other ignorant person who doesn't understand that the almost every top players are Koreans who have played BW at a high level, relative to foreigners.
Also, I think my mindset is perfectly legitimate. If I think that SC2 is a garbage game that's not worth my attention, I'm going to think that way, and if BW pros switch, then I'm just not going to watch them. I don't understand how that's childish at all.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players?
lol
indeed, nearly every good sc2 player played broodwar at a high level
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players?
lol, you sound just like every other ignorant person who doesn't understand that the almost every top players are Koreans who have played BW at a high level, relative to foreigners.
Also, I think my mindset is perfectly legitimate. If I think that SC2 is a garbage game that's not worth my attention, I'm going to think that way, and if BW pros switch, then I'm just not going to watch them. I don't understand how that's childish at all.
Oh ZnF this is not going to end well ... not when you say sc2 is literally dog poo quality
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players?
lol, you sound just like every other ignorant person who doesn't understand that the almost every top players are Koreans who have played BW at a high level, relative to foreigners.
Also, I think my mindset is perfectly legitimate. If I think that SC2 is a garbage game that's not worth my attention, I'm going to think that way, and if BW pros switch, then I'm just not going to watch them. I don't understand how that's childish at all.
Oh ZnF this is not going to end well ... not when you say sc2 is literally dog poo quality
What do you mean? You can bash SC2 to death here. Just don't say anything bad about Brood War, that upsets people.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players?
lol
indeed, nearly every good sc2 player played broodwar at a high level
Only korean who doesn't have BW experience and who has won a GSL is Polt, who was a wc3 amateur.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players?
lol, you sound just like every other ignorant person who doesn't understand that the almost every top players are Koreans who have played BW at a high level, relative to foreigners.
Also, I think my mindset is perfectly legitimate. If I think that SC2 is a garbage game that's not worth my attention, I'm going to think that way, and if BW pros switch, then I'm just not going to watch them. I don't understand how that's childish at all.
Oh ZnF this is not going to end well ... not when you say sc2 is literally dog poo quality
lol I don't care. If people are going to come in here and act like they understand BW while their posts show the exact opposite, I have no qualms about calling them out on it.
And I'm going to admit, I'm not that informed either, but at least I know enough to not make the statement:
"BW pros who have switched over have not done well."
That statement is laugh worthy and should seriously be voted for as one of the most ignorant posts in the BW/SC2 discussion in a long time.
I switched from playing Zerg in Brood War to playing Terran in SC2. It was honestly just a playstyle change and a nice change of scenery. I am sure with the amount of practice these guys put in, learning a new race will be easier.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players?
lol, you sound just like every other ignorant person who doesn't understand that the almost every top players are Koreans who have played BW at a high level, relative to foreigners.
Also, I think my mindset is perfectly legitimate. If I think that SC2 is a garbage game that's not worth my attention, I'm going to think that way, and if BW pros switch, then I'm just not going to watch them. I don't understand how that's childish at all.
Oh ZnF this is not going to end well ... not when you say sc2 is literally dog poo quality
lol I don't care. If people are going to come in here and act like they understand BW while their posts show the exact opposite, I have no qualms about calling them out on it.
And I'm going to admit, I'm not that informed either, but at least I know enough to not make the statement:
"BW pros who have switched over have not done well."
That statement is laugh worthy and should seriously be voted for as one of the most ignorant posts in the BW/SC2 discussion in a long time.
You know if only sc2 vs bw arguments could be epic like this .... I mean I can guarantee you both sides are not satisfied until one of us is annihilated.
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Except there's no such thing as a bonjwa status in SC2, and there shouldn't be. It'd taint the name of bonjwa, and saying MVP is a bonjwa compared to the likes of BW bonjwas......oh god it hurts my heart. T_T
People just need to stop denying the inevitable. If BW players switch they're going to smash the game to pieces and kick the crap out of everyone. If they weren't, then no SC2 fan would be excited about them switching.
The way SC2 fans are putting it: "Oh! BW players are switching! Yay! They'll change the game! But don't worry, they're going to be mediocre players who lose to the likes of GREAT PLAYERS like MVP and Nestea!" Like....so many things are wrong with that argument. Sounds like stupid talk to me.
On April 24 2012 20:18 Askalaphos wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
I believe that too. And because I don't want to see my heros get smashed by some Guys I hardly know, I don't think I make the transition to SC2.
Time to say goodbye.
Why do you believe that? It's a dumb argument. That's basically like saying...that since Nada or iloveoov had so many years ahead of everyone in BW, then no new contender would ever beat them. Flash should get stomped. Jaedong should get stomped. Bisu should always get stomped.
But that didn't happen. They came in and dominated, and they dominated trash players like MVP and Nestea. It's going to happen again. People who think otherwise are pretty wrong to think that way.
On April 24 2012 18:47 phyren wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:33 SilentBonjwa wrote:
On April 24 2012 17:13 wassbix wrote:
On April 24 2012 12:04 snakeeyez wrote: I think a lot of people will be disappointed when they watch these brood war legends lose games in starcraft 2 to stephano and other korean pros. I still dont see the huge skill gap between jaedong and someone like immvp that will let jaedong dominate immvp the majority of the time. Even better micro and multitasking I just dont see it consistently winning in this game. The hard counters and units dying so much faster and when jaedong gets his ramp force fielded while the hatch is taken out I dont think jaedong can micro out of that. Time will tell, but I would take the bet immvp can beat jaedong any day of the week at starcraft 2 no matter how long jaedong practices.
Floored me to realize that we're actually comparing MVP to Jaedong. A B-string woonjin terran to Jaedong. God. Damn.
well BW and SC2 are still different games, and while MVP isnt top notch in BW, he certainly was close to Bonjwa status in SC2.
Honestly, he makes some reasonable points. SC2, as a game, really allows almost anyone to beat anyone else. It is very difficult to play a style that is safe against everything, even if you are willing to take a macro disadvantage to do so. Saying MVP will beat Jaedong consistantly is pretty insane, but I worry that TBLS wont be able to be as dominant in SC2.
Does that mean it's a bad game? That the game is so easy that top players can get floored by noobies? That must suck to watch. :/
In time you might be correct that they will kick the crap out of everyone, but if you think that will happen straight away you are seriously kidding yourself. All the Brood War players that have switched so far have not dominated the scene, so it's retarded to assume that the majority that switch over will dominate. In time the top Brood War players are likely to become top Sc2 players assuming they do switch and keep their interest.
I disagree with the point that anyone can beat anyone else, (see MVP, Nestea with 3 GSL's each and MC, MMA with 2 as well as general Korean dominance over foreigners) though it is certainly more volatile than BW is.
Oh and by the way you have a terrible mindset, the whole SC2 fans/BW fans stereotyping is really childish, if all the BW players do switch over you will either become an SC2 fan or else you will stop watching, in which case I think the scene will be better off without you.
WTF? So Nestea, MVP, MMA, MKP, etc. etc. weren't BW players?
lol, you sound just like every other ignorant person who doesn't understand that the almost every top players are Koreans who have played BW at a high level, relative to foreigners.
Also, I think my mindset is perfectly legitimate. If I think that SC2 is a garbage game that's not worth my attention, I'm going to think that way, and if BW pros switch, then I'm just not going to watch them. I don't understand how that's childish at all.
Oh ZnF this is not going to end well ... not when you say sc2 is literally dog poo quality
lol I don't care. If people are going to come in here and act like they understand BW while their posts show the exact opposite, I have no qualms about calling them out on it.
And I'm going to admit, I'm not that informed either, but at least I know enough to not make the statement:
"BW pros who have switched over have not done well."
That statement is laugh worthy and should seriously be voted for as one of the most ignorant posts in the BW/SC2 discussion in a long time.
No-one really said that I think, no-one's arguing former BW players have done well in SC2. Doing well is different from dominating though.
It's a weird argument anyways, MKP, MC, MMA haven't become good at SC2 because they had a past in BW. They're this good because they practice hard and are talented RTS players. Writing their succes up to BW implies that BW and SC2 are the same game, SC2 just being a "light" version. Which time and time again has been proven wrong, SC2 is a completely different game and it requires a different skillset from it's players than BW does.
So no, BW players aren't going to be dominating like the flick of a switch. Flash and Jaedong aren't going to step in and win on pure talent. They're going to have to put in the time and effort to rise to the current level of competition in Starcraft 2.
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