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shalafi
Profile Joined July 2008
394 Posts
April 16 2012 09:41 GMT
#181
I prefer BW dying than getting replaced by a "successor", so it's memory is not tainted.

That's why I'm rooting for LoL (a game that I dislike) rather than SC2. It does have much higher chances of becoming big than SC2, considering LoL is #1 played game in Korea and SC2 doesn't even make it to the top ten, probably not even top 15.
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
April 16 2012 09:41 GMT
#182
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop (sorry don't follow that much BW recently), but what does this mean?

"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1070 Posts
April 16 2012 09:42 GMT
#183
I also agree 50/50 is a terrible solution, but i really like the idea of only BW pros fighting each other in SC2 for some time. Maybe we'll see a slightly different approach to certain situations and matchups. Hopefully fans will support it!

(Yes i'm a SC2 fan, please don't cruzify me. BW is the most awesome RTS ever, but all good things come to an end)
unknownGamer
Profile Joined April 2012
288 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 09:43:49
April 16 2012 09:43 GMT
#184
On April 16 2012 18:41 shalafi wrote:
I prefer BW dying than getting replaced by a "successor", so it's memory is not tainted.

That's why I'm rooting for LoL (a game that I dislike) rather than SC2. It does have much higher chances of becoming big than SC2, considering LoL is #1 played game in Korea and SC2 doesn't even make it to the top ten, probably not even top 15.

You remind me of the characters in movies who wants to blow up the world because someone they loved has died. lol, sorry but I thought it was funny base on how you word it.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 09:47:32
April 16 2012 09:44 GMT
#185
On April 16 2012 18:41 Netsky wrote:
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop (sorry don't follow that much BW recently), but what does this mean?

"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."

In a best of 7.

Game 1: Brood War.
Game 2: SC2.
Game 3: BW
Game 4: SC2
Game 5: BW
Game 6: SC2
Game 7 (ace match): Always BW.

Or something like that. Maybe Game 1 would be SC2 and it alternates from there but with Game 7 always being BW.

It's a very ugly format, tbh. I would much rather have both games be in separate leagues.
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murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland418 Posts
April 16 2012 09:46 GMT
#186
This is so sad. All 114 people who watch BW outside korea need to band together and try and stop this!

User was temp banned for this post.
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
April 16 2012 09:47 GMT
#187
On April 16 2012 18:44 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 18:41 Netsky wrote:
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop (sorry don't follow that much BW recently), but what does this mean?

"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."

In a best of 7.

Game 1: Brood War.
Game 2: SC2.
Game 3: BW
Game 4: SC2
Game 5: BW
Game 6: SC2
Game 7 (ace match): Always BW.

Or something like that. Maybe Game 1 would be SC2 and it alternates from there but with Game 7 always being BW.


LOL what? Are you serious? Do you have an article/link?
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
April 16 2012 09:48 GMT
#188
On April 16 2012 18:44 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 18:41 Netsky wrote:
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop (sorry don't follow that much BW recently), but what does this mean?

"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."

In a best of 7.

Game 1: Brood War.
Game 2: SC2.
Game 3: BW
Game 4: SC2
Game 5: BW
Game 6: SC2
Game 7 (ace match): Always BW.

Or something like that. Maybe Game 1 would be SC2 and it alternates from there but with Game 7 always being BW.

It's a very ugly format, tbh. I would much rather have both games be in separate leagues.

Where did you read that game 7 will always be BW?

This thread, although a rumor, says it will alternate.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
April 16 2012 09:48 GMT
#189
On April 16 2012 18:46 murphs wrote:
This is so sad. All 114 people who watch BW outside korea need to band together and try and stop this!


Check your figures, you forgot a few zeroes man.
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 16 2012 09:48 GMT
#190
On April 16 2012 18:31 USvBleakill wrote:
imagine if sc2 would be 12 years old and bw the "new" one. We would have the same discussion. It´s in almost everything what have a "new" part/rule/something that the old guys defending their ground with shitstorms without any knowledge.

Do BW fans really cheer for the game? Or for the players? How many of you would watch games of some random bad bw semi pro´s? Would you say "yea the players are really really bad but BroodWar is sooooo awesome!!!!". I don´t think so.


And please stop blaming blizzard for wanting to make money. It´s a company not a war veterans helping union.

thats the problem with the whole esport spiel. you cant continue to profess esports when the developer of the game has a vicegrip on your testicles.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 09:50:34
April 16 2012 09:50 GMT
#191
On April 16 2012 18:48 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 18:44 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 16 2012 18:41 Netsky wrote:
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop (sorry don't follow that much BW recently), but what does this mean?

"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."

In a best of 7.

Game 1: Brood War.
Game 2: SC2.
Game 3: BW
Game 4: SC2
Game 5: BW
Game 6: SC2
Game 7 (ace match): Always BW.

Or something like that. Maybe Game 1 would be SC2 and it alternates from there but with Game 7 always being BW.

It's a very ugly format, tbh. I would much rather have both games be in separate leagues.

Where did you read that game 7 will always be BW?

This thread, although a rumor, says it will alternate.

It's in the OP.


On April 16 2012 14:54 seol1500 wrote:
Hi,

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


News regarding next year's pro league just came out,
To quickly summerise :

"Possibility of complete translation to sc2 from next year's new proleague."
"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."
"All pros have started practising SC2 since the end of last season and Pros who shows good play from both games will gain more chance of playing"
"Pro teams made clear that they won't recruit any current SC2 players for 1 year to give BW Pros chance to adapt at this new game."
"But it is expected that lot of players will still retire once this transition takes place."

http://isplus.joinsmsn.com/article/255/7907255.html?cloc
http://www.mbcplus.com/news/RetrieveNewsInfo_Frame.aspx?newsID=53993
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=124029&db=issue

ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Precipice
Profile Joined April 2010
United States121 Posts
April 16 2012 09:50 GMT
#192
On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote:
I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.

Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen.


The use of the term does not signify what it, tautologically is, but instead, what we aim for it to be - the place we want it to fulfill. What is a sport? What do you actually gain by suggesting that eSports is not or cannot be one. Your flawed understanding of this issue causes you to critque those who "believe in eSports" as people "[that] don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living." Many of us have been involved in this for over 10 years. Many of us are adults with fully established careers and peer groups. We do not need "affirmation" from the theoretical "public at large".

To understand what we want you have to understand the nature of sports today. The growth of physical sports in the Western world occured at the exact moment that we saw such things as the culmination of the industrial revolution and progressively fewer places/cultures to carry imperialism out upon. That is, physical sports grew in popularity at the exact moment that we needed to imagine ourselves as warriors - there were no longer places to realistically *be* warriors anymore. In that time, work was done physically. Thus, the sports themselves were physical.

As we now move into a second modernity the work that we do is progressively electronic and digital, and at the same time, we still need heroes. We still need warriors. We need people that we can look to who can remind us that all of us, deep down, innately, have the power and potential to do great and incredible things should the time or situation arise. I'll tell you why it's an eSport.

These games are eSports because just as physical competitions used to provide inspiration and harbor potential in eras past, so too, now, we as people immersed in computer technology; we as people who take more enjoyment from the mental and dexterous accomplishment of the competitive Starcraft player, find a sense of meaning in what these people can do. It's a sport because in each match is contained the desperate, innate, and personal desire of life. We each as I: I in my quest to survive this world must fight, and if the foe does something I did not expect then the message cannot be that I die; the message is that in the face of unexpected or impossible circumstances I can overcome through creativity, dedication, effort, striving, and will.

Starcraft is an eSport because at its very core it is the language which speaks best to us. And what does this language say? Live.

My father can have his football, but he understands, too, that I have my Starcraft. This isn't about validation. This is about inspiration.
Mastery is the fruit of repetition
ZodaSoda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1191 Posts
April 16 2012 09:50 GMT
#193
Its gonna be interesting to watch :o
LiquipediaI'm the strongest Dragon that you've ever seen, You're gonna die motherfucker, I take up five screens. -Kraid
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
April 16 2012 09:50 GMT
#194
On April 16 2012 18:31 USvBleakill wrote:
imagine if sc2 would be 12 years old and bw the "new" one. We would have the same discussion. It´s in almost everything what have a "new" part/rule/something that the old guys defending their ground with shitstorms without any knowledge.

Do BW fans really cheer for the game? Or for the players? How many of you would watch games of some random bad bw semi pro´s? Would you say "yea the players are really really bad but BroodWar is sooooo awesome!!!!". I don´t think so.


And please stop blaming blizzard for wanting to make money. It´s a company not a war veterans helping union.


i gladly watch terrible foreign bw play because it's generally a lot more entertaining than ro32 GSL code s.
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
April 16 2012 09:51 GMT
#195
On April 16 2012 18:50 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 18:48 Hyde wrote:
On April 16 2012 18:44 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 16 2012 18:41 Netsky wrote:
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop (sorry don't follow that much BW recently), but what does this mean?

"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."

In a best of 7.

Game 1: Brood War.
Game 2: SC2.
Game 3: BW
Game 4: SC2
Game 5: BW
Game 6: SC2
Game 7 (ace match): Always BW.

Or something like that. Maybe Game 1 would be SC2 and it alternates from there but with Game 7 always being BW.

It's a very ugly format, tbh. I would much rather have both games be in separate leagues.

Where did you read that game 7 will always be BW?

This thread, although a rumor, says it will alternate.

It's in the OP.


Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 14:54 seol1500 wrote:
Hi,

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


News regarding next year's pro league just came out,
To quickly summerise :

"Possibility of complete translation to sc2 from next year's new proleague."
"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."
"All pros have started practising SC2 since the end of last season and Pros who shows good play from both games will gain more chance of playing"
"Pro teams made clear that they won't recruit any current SC2 players for 1 year to give BW Pros chance to adapt at this new game."
"But it is expected that lot of players will still retire once this transition takes place."

http://isplus.joinsmsn.com/article/255/7907255.html?cloc
http://www.mbcplus.com/news/RetrieveNewsInfo_Frame.aspx?newsID=53993
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=124029&db=issue


I don't know how I missed that, I even went to double check the OP.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 09:57:28
April 16 2012 09:52 GMT
#196
Great i can wait to see things like " Look Jaedong is doing the mass roach Stephano style or Bisu is going 2 base colossus".

I'll kill myself :D.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
April 16 2012 09:53 GMT
#197
so there will be segregation between the current sc2 scene et the bw players ?
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 16 2012 09:53 GMT
#198
On April 16 2012 18:51 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 18:50 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 16 2012 18:48 Hyde wrote:
On April 16 2012 18:44 eviltomahawk wrote:
On April 16 2012 18:41 Netsky wrote:
Maybe I'm totally out of the loop (sorry don't follow that much BW recently), but what does this mean?

"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."

In a best of 7.

Game 1: Brood War.
Game 2: SC2.
Game 3: BW
Game 4: SC2
Game 5: BW
Game 6: SC2
Game 7 (ace match): Always BW.

Or something like that. Maybe Game 1 would be SC2 and it alternates from there but with Game 7 always being BW.

It's a very ugly format, tbh. I would much rather have both games be in separate leagues.

Where did you read that game 7 will always be BW?

This thread, although a rumor, says it will alternate.

It's in the OP.


On April 16 2012 14:54 seol1500 wrote:
Hi,

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


News regarding next year's pro league just came out,
To quickly summerise :

"Possibility of complete translation to sc2 from next year's new proleague."
"For the time being games will rotate every set but ace match is always BW."
"All pros have started practising SC2 since the end of last season and Pros who shows good play from both games will gain more chance of playing"
"Pro teams made clear that they won't recruit any current SC2 players for 1 year to give BW Pros chance to adapt at this new game."
"But it is expected that lot of players will still retire once this transition takes place."

http://isplus.joinsmsn.com/article/255/7907255.html?cloc
http://www.mbcplus.com/news/RetrieveNewsInfo_Frame.aspx?newsID=53993
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=124029&db=issue


I don't know how I missed that, I even went to double check the OP.

It's not a very well-made OP, IMO. I wish someone would post a more in-depth summary of the articles, even if there isn't really any new information.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
April 16 2012 09:54 GMT
#199
On April 16 2012 17:46 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 17:36 whatusername wrote:
Sweet! Is anyone else excited for Flash microing BLUE FLAME HELLIONS, and firing off CONCUSSIVE SHELLS? Jaedong rushing unique unit combos like ROACHES and HYDRALISKS? or even Bisu pulling off some insane COLOSSUS moves? man I can't wait for these BW players to switch to SC2, the next step in competitive RTS gaming! finally, a game where people won't have to rely on mechanics and where strategy can truly shine. EG Jaedong and SK Flash anyone?


Sarcasm detected!

i like this
Incredible Miracle
unknownGamer
Profile Joined April 2012
288 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 09:56:59
April 16 2012 09:55 GMT
#200
On April 16 2012 18:50 Precipice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote:
I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.

Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen.


The use of the term does not signify what it, tautologically is, but instead, what we aim for it to be - the place we want it to fulfill. What is a sport? What do you actually gain by suggesting that eSports is not or cannot be one. Your flawed understanding of this issue causes you to critque those who "believe in eSports" as people "[that] don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living." Many of us have been involved in this for over 10 years. Many of us are adults with fully established careers and peer groups. We do not need "affirmation" from the theoretical "public at large".

To understand what we want you have to understand the nature of sports today. The growth of physical sports in the Western world occured at the exact moment that we saw such things as the culmination of the industrial revolution and progressively fewer places/cultures to carry imperialism out upon. That is, physical sports grew in popularity at the exact moment that we needed to imagine ourselves as warriors - there were no longer places to realistically *be* warriors anymore. In that time, work was done physically. Thus, the sports themselves were physical.

As we now move into a second modernity the work that we do is progressively electronic and digital, and at the same time, we still need heroes. We still need warriors. We need people that we can look to who can remind us that all of us, deep down, innately, have the power and potential to do great and incredible things should the time or situation arise. I'll tell you why it's an eSport.

These games are eSports because just as physical competitions used to provide inspiration and harbor potential in eras past, so too, now, we as people immersed in computer technology; we as people who take more enjoyment from the mental and dexterous accomplishment of the competitive Starcraft player, find a sense of meaning in what these people can do. It's a sport because in each match is contained the desperate, innate, and personal desire of life. We each as I: I in my quest to survive this world must fight, and if the foe does something I did not expect then the message cannot be that I die; the message is that in the face of unexpected or impossible circumstances I can overcome through creativity, dedication, effort, striving, and will.

Starcraft is an eSport because at its very core it is the language which speaks best to us. And what does this language say? Live.

My father can have his football, but he understands, too, that I have my Starcraft. This isn't about validation. This is about inspiration.

Stop being overly dramatic, did you know, korea called it esports because they wanted to make it relevant to the mainstream? There was an article years ago in my country about why the big shots decided to call BW esports, its precisely because they want it to be accepted to the culture mainstream and not shun upon. The name "E-sports" have never been about all the dramatic things you said. Its because they wanted to be respected by others.
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