On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote: I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.
Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen. And with a huge sponsor like LG sponsoring IM team? I am not surprised. Bw is having problems with sponsorships and if someone like LG is sponsoring a sc2 team instead of a bw team then its a sign that sc2 is the current hot "pro-gaming" game.
Seriously? How is e-sports trying to be something it's not? It's most certainly an electronic sport, if you are afraid of the term that's ok but don't try and project your insecurities onto everyone.
Because it is not a sport. Ahh fuck it, if you want to think its a sport then go ahead, can't believe I am wasting my time here arguing to people who think I am insecure when they call a game "e-sports" instead of having the balls to call themselves "professional-games."
If golf, racing and poker are considered sports you don't think that video games can be considered sports? Also, tons of people call themselves professional gamers, not sure where you are getting the impression that it is some sort of taboo phrase.
The funny thing is, people are defending the name "e-sports" because its sounds mainstream. Tell me, for what other reason would people want to call themselves a sport other then to be accepted? Give me one good reason, nothing dramatic, realistic and straight to the point. If it makes sense, I will apologise.
On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote: I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.
Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen. And with a huge sponsor like LG sponsoring IM team? I am not surprised. Bw is having problems with sponsorships and if someone like LG is sponsoring a sc2 team instead of a bw team then its a sign that sc2 is the current hot "pro-gaming" game.
Seriously? How is e-sports trying to be something it's not? It's most certainly an electronic sport, if you are afraid of the term that's ok but don't try and project your insecurities onto everyone.
Because it is not a sport. Ahh fuck it, if you want to think its a sport then go ahead, can't believe I am wasting my time here arguing to people who think I am insecure when they call a game "e-sports" instead of having the balls to call themselves "professional-games."
If golf, racing and poker are considered sports you don't think that video games can be considered sports? Also, tons of people call themselves professional gamers, not sure where you are getting the impression that it is some sort of taboo phrase.
The funny thing is, people are defending the name "e-sports" because its sounds mainstream. Tell me, for what other reason would people want to call themselves a sport other then to be accepted? Give me one good reason, nothing dramatic, realistic and straight to the point. If it makes sense, I will apologise.
E-sports rolls off the tongue better than professional video games.
On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote: I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.
Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen.
The use of the term does not signify what it, tautologically is, but instead, what we aim for it to be - the place we want it to fulfill. What is a sport? What do you actually gain by suggesting that eSports is not or cannot be one. Your flawed understanding of this issue causes you to critque those who "believe in eSports" as people "[that] don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living." Many of us have been involved in this for over 10 years. Many of us are adults with fully established careers and peer groups. We do not need "affirmation" from the theoretical "public at large".
To understand what we want you have to understand the nature of sports today. The growth of physical sports in the Western world occured at the exact moment that we saw such things as the culmination of the industrial revolution and progressively fewer places/cultures to carry imperialism out upon. That is, physical sports grew in popularity at the exact moment that we needed to imagine ourselves as warriors - there were no longer places to realistically *be* warriors anymore. In that time, work was done physically. Thus, the sports themselves were physical.
As we now move into a second modernity the work that we do is progressively electronic and digital, and at the same time, we still need heroes. We still need warriors. We need people that we can look to who can remind us that all of us, deep down, innately, have the power and potential to do great and incredible things should the time or situation arise. I'll tell you why it's an eSport.
These games are eSports because just as physical competitions used to provide inspiration and harbor potential in eras past, so too, now, we as people immersed in computer technology; we as people who take more enjoyment from the mental and dexterous accomplishment of the competitive Starcraft player, find a sense of meaning in what these people can do. It's a sport because in each match is contained the desperate, innate, and personal desire of life. We each as I: I in my quest to survive this world must fight, and if the foe does something I did not expect then the message cannot be that I die; the message is that in the face of unexpected or impossible circumstances I can overcome through creativity, dedication, effort, striving, and will.
Starcraft is an eSport because at its very core it is the language which speaks best to us. And what does this language say? Live.
My father can have his football, but he understands, too, that I have my Starcraft. This isn't about validation. This is about inspiration.
Did you know, korea called it esports because they wanted to make it relevant to the mainstream? There was an article years ago in my country about why the big shots decided to call BW esports, its precisely because they want it to be accepted to the culture mainstream and not shun upon. The name "E-sports" have never been about all the dramatic things you said. Its because they wanted to be respected by others.
Clearly you're not understanding the point that bw operates, at a core level, as a sport. It is doing the same things. Just because you think a sport requires a basketball hoop or running laps around the football field does not mean that *that* is what it is. Take a moment to define sports. You have completely failed to explain why Starcraft itself is not a sport. Whereas, by comparison, I have explained why eSports themselves, culturally, *are* the sport of the second modernity (fulfilling the same roles and functions). Just because you think I used hghi-faluting ideas that just ARENT WHAT ITS ABOUT really carries no value. If you'd like I can explain to you how even in archetypal construction eSports are acting out the things I described. The term eSports isn't misleading; it is fitting. If they termed it WORLD CLASS RACQUETBALL, that would be misleading.
I live in korea and I will tell you something that no one tells you before okay? Gamers are shun in korea after that savior incident. I check onegamenet every once in a while ( cant do it now with work) and they call EVERY game esports. Even those mobile games because they want the society to accept them. I don't know what happens in america, but esports is a term that is thrown around in korea just to make it main stream,. if you can't accept that even from a first hand account then I will just shut up.
At the exact moment that you have explained why gamers are shunned in certain circles you have failed to account for why, in other circles, they are not shunned. Again, my point is that, structurally and culturally, these games fulfill a role which is in no way incorrectly represented by calling them eSports. Further, why is it surprising that the savior incident caused a negative stigma? The issue is that just because something has been negatively stigmatized at one point or another does not necessarily translate into it not... being in some sense, a sport. The problem here is that, at the core of all your posts, is a belief that the term eSports is only employed as a technique of self validation. The reason this is flawed is that, for many of us, there is no validation that needs to take place. The games do not need to "prove themselves" in order to do what they do. All that I did in my first post was highlight the ways in which the nature of the game itself, the way it is played out, and the way it is presented to audiences is, for all intents and purposes, indicative of sports of the second modernity.
To not call it a sport is tantamount to telling people that "google" can't be used as a verb. So if someone said, "Just google it," you would need to take 10 minutes out of your day to explain to them that what they are trying to say is, "Just access the internet through a terminal, proceed to any of a number of search engines like www.google.com and perform a search function using the relevant key words." Maybe you've got a point, but it's not one that actually performs any positive work.
Reading through this thread I'm so glad I don't visit the BW Forum very often because most of these people seem to be complete retards.
How diverse, interesting and deep were SC1 strategies 21 months after release? Also consider that an expansion had already come out. SC1 has now had FOURTEEN years to develop. But it's going nowhere fast. Brood War isn't going to become anywhere near as big internationally as SC2 already is.
Reverse the games. Had SC2 as we know it come out in 1998, we would have 2 expansions and fourteen years of maturity of game knowledge and strategy. Most of us as children would have grown up with it being the number one RTS. Do you think a new RTS, even one as good as SC1, would instantly be comparable to SC2's depth of gameplay?
Think about how underdeveloped BW strats were in 2000. That's where we are right now with SC2.
BW is going nowhere. SC2 has massive growth potential. You do the math.
On April 16 2012 18:31 USvBleakill wrote: imagine if sc2 would be 12 years old and bw the "new" one. We would have the same discussion. It´s in almost everything what have a "new" part/rule/something that the old guys defending their ground with shitstorms without any knowledge.
Do BW fans really cheer for the game? Or for the players? How many of you would watch games of some random bad bw semi pro´s? Would you say "yea the players are really really bad but BroodWar is sooooo awesome!!!!". I don´t think so.
And please stop blaming blizzard for wanting to make money. It´s a company not a war veterans helping union.
Like... all the time? Nearly every week of my bw mates will say hey I got this replay of scan wanna see? And he hosts it and 5 people join and we all watch and laugh. I would do that in SC2 as well except oh wait... we can't fucking host replays.
Except we don't say they are bad, we think they are really good still, because A+ iccup players are still 10x better than most GM players. How do I know this, Leenock was one.
Maybe i am missing them but i never heard about "BW Barcrafts". for example. (But yea i would really like this feature on any multiplayer focused game)
and you are comparing A+ iccup with SC2 Grandmaster? You don´t really understand the sc2 laddersystem or?
For A+, you need over 9000 ladder points. How many points to you need for GM?
too bad I started following BW constantly like from last summer, OSL quarter-finals I think. Before that just random epic games. And one more year and it is gone forever...
On April 16 2012 19:11 zazone wrote: heard Flash is playing SF2 in his free time, maybe it means he won't switch. The game isn't ready for God.
he sais he plays lol too.
And for the people who argue about A+ and GrandMaster level. White-Ra said in Husky's interview that getting A+ and keeping it is much harder than reach and stay in GM.
On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote: I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.
Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen.
The use of the term does not signify what it, tautologically is, but instead, what we aim for it to be - the place we want it to fulfill. What is a sport? What do you actually gain by suggesting that eSports is not or cannot be one. Your flawed understanding of this issue causes you to critque those who "believe in eSports" as people "[that] don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living." Many of us have been involved in this for over 10 years. Many of us are adults with fully established careers and peer groups. We do not need "affirmation" from the theoretical "public at large".
To understand what we want you have to understand the nature of sports today. The growth of physical sports in the Western world occured at the exact moment that we saw such things as the culmination of the industrial revolution and progressively fewer places/cultures to carry imperialism out upon. That is, physical sports grew in popularity at the exact moment that we needed to imagine ourselves as warriors - there were no longer places to realistically *be* warriors anymore. In that time, work was done physically. Thus, the sports themselves were physical.
As we now move into a second modernity the work that we do is progressively electronic and digital, and at the same time, we still need heroes. We still need warriors. We need people that we can look to who can remind us that all of us, deep down, innately, have the power and potential to do great and incredible things should the time or situation arise. I'll tell you why it's an eSport.
These games are eSports because just as physical competitions used to provide inspiration and harbor potential in eras past, so too, now, we as people immersed in computer technology; we as people who take more enjoyment from the mental and dexterous accomplishment of the competitive Starcraft player, find a sense of meaning in what these people can do. It's a sport because in each match is contained the desperate, innate, and personal desire of life. We each as I: I in my quest to survive this world must fight, and if the foe does something I did not expect then the message cannot be that I die; the message is that in the face of unexpected or impossible circumstances I can overcome through creativity, dedication, effort, striving, and will.
Starcraft is an eSport because at its very core it is the language which speaks best to us. And what does this language say? Live.
My father can have his football, but he understands, too, that I have my Starcraft. This isn't about validation. This is about inspiration.
Did you know, korea called it esports because they wanted to make it relevant to the mainstream? There was an article years ago in my country about why the big shots decided to call BW esports, its precisely because they want it to be accepted to the culture mainstream and not shun upon. The name "E-sports" have never been about all the dramatic things you said. Its because they wanted to be respected by others.
Clearly you're not understanding the point that bw operates, at a core level, as a sport. It is doing the same things. Just because you think a sport requires a basketball hoop or running laps around the football field does not mean that *that* is what it is. Take a moment to define sports. You have completely failed to explain why Starcraft itself is not a sport. Whereas, by comparison, I have explained why eSports themselves, culturally, *are* the sport of the second modernity (fulfilling the same roles and functions). Just because you think I used hghi-faluting ideas that just ARENT WHAT ITS ABOUT really carries no value. If you'd like I can explain to you how even in archetypal construction eSports are acting out the things I described. The term eSports isn't misleading; it is fitting. If they termed it WORLD CLASS RACQUETBALL, that would be misleading.
I live in korea and I will tell you something that no one tells you before okay? Gamers are shun in korea after that savior incident. I check onegamenet every once in a while ( cant do it now with work) and they call EVERY game esports. Even those mobile games because they want the society to accept them. I don't know what happens in america, but esports is a term that is thrown around in korea just to make it main stream,. if you can't accept that even from a first hand account then I think you need to live in korea and understand what happens when you mention esports. People will roll their eyes at you. I guarantee. Maybe in america there are communities, but people forget, outside communities, people aren't as accepting
What is wrong with every game that is played competitively being called an e-sport? Is BW the only true e-sport in your mind?
On April 16 2012 19:14 ne4aJIb wrote: too bad I started following BW constantly like from last summer, OSL quarter-finals I think. Before that just random epic games. And one more year and it is gone forever...
On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote: I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.
Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen. And with a huge sponsor like LG sponsoring IM team? I am not surprised. Bw is having problems with sponsorships and if someone like LG is sponsoring a sc2 team instead of a bw team then its a sign that sc2 is the current hot "pro-gaming" game.
Seriously? How is e-sports trying to be something it's not? It's most certainly an electronic sport, if you are afraid of the term that's ok but don't try and project your insecurities onto everyone.
Because it is not a sport. Ahh fuck it, if you want to think its a sport then go ahead, can't believe I am wasting my time here arguing to people who think I am insecure when they call a game "e-sports" instead of having the balls to call themselves "professional-games."
If golf, racing and poker are considered sports you don't think that video games can be considered sports? Also, tons of people call themselves professional gamers, not sure where you are getting the impression that it is some sort of taboo phrase.
The funny thing is, people are defending the name "e-sports" because its sounds mainstream. Tell me, for what other reason would people want to call themselves a sport other then to be accepted? Give me one good reason, nothing dramatic, realistic and straight to the point. If it makes sense, I will apologise.
Because calling it a sport most accurately and efficiently conveys what it is. Should they instead call it "Nerds playing video games for basement dwelling audiences" or "fully clothed voyeuristc pornography" or... does it just make more sense to call it what it is?
On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote: I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.
Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen.
The use of the term does not signify what it, tautologically is, but instead, what we aim for it to be - the place we want it to fulfill. What is a sport? What do you actually gain by suggesting that eSports is not or cannot be one. Your flawed understanding of this issue causes you to critque those who "believe in eSports" as people "[that] don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living." Many of us have been involved in this for over 10 years. Many of us are adults with fully established careers and peer groups. We do not need "affirmation" from the theoretical "public at large".
To understand what we want you have to understand the nature of sports today. The growth of physical sports in the Western world occured at the exact moment that we saw such things as the culmination of the industrial revolution and progressively fewer places/cultures to carry imperialism out upon. That is, physical sports grew in popularity at the exact moment that we needed to imagine ourselves as warriors - there were no longer places to realistically *be* warriors anymore. In that time, work was done physically. Thus, the sports themselves were physical.
As we now move into a second modernity the work that we do is progressively electronic and digital, and at the same time, we still need heroes. We still need warriors. We need people that we can look to who can remind us that all of us, deep down, innately, have the power and potential to do great and incredible things should the time or situation arise. I'll tell you why it's an eSport.
These games are eSports because just as physical competitions used to provide inspiration and harbor potential in eras past, so too, now, we as people immersed in computer technology; we as people who take more enjoyment from the mental and dexterous accomplishment of the competitive Starcraft player, find a sense of meaning in what these people can do. It's a sport because in each match is contained the desperate, innate, and personal desire of life. We each as I: I in my quest to survive this world must fight, and if the foe does something I did not expect then the message cannot be that I die; the message is that in the face of unexpected or impossible circumstances I can overcome through creativity, dedication, effort, striving, and will.
Starcraft is an eSport because at its very core it is the language which speaks best to us. And what does this language say? Live.
My father can have his football, but he understands, too, that I have my Starcraft. This isn't about validation. This is about inspiration.
Did you know, korea called it esports because they wanted to make it relevant to the mainstream? There was an article years ago in my country about why the big shots decided to call BW esports, its precisely because they want it to be accepted to the culture mainstream and not shun upon. The name "E-sports" have never been about all the dramatic things you said. Its because they wanted to be respected by others.
Clearly you're not understanding the point that bw operates, at a core level, as a sport. It is doing the same things. Just because you think a sport requires a basketball hoop or running laps around the football field does not mean that *that* is what it is. Take a moment to define sports. You have completely failed to explain why Starcraft itself is not a sport. Whereas, by comparison, I have explained why eSports themselves, culturally, *are* the sport of the second modernity (fulfilling the same roles and functions). Just because you think I used hghi-faluting ideas that just ARENT WHAT ITS ABOUT really carries no value. If you'd like I can explain to you how even in archetypal construction eSports are acting out the things I described. The term eSports isn't misleading; it is fitting. If they termed it WORLD CLASS RACQUETBALL, that would be misleading.
I live in korea and I will tell you something that no one tells you before okay? Gamers are shun in korea after that savior incident. I check onegamenet every once in a while ( cant do it now with work) and they call EVERY game esports. Even those mobile games because they want the society to accept them. I don't know what happens in america, but esports is a term that is thrown around in korea just to make it main stream,. if you can't accept that even from a first hand account then I will just shut up.
At the exact moment that you have explained why gamers are shunned in certain circles you have failed to account for why, in other circles, they are not shunned. Again, my point is that, structurally and culturally, these games fulfill a role which is in no way incorrectly represented by calling them eSports. Further, why is it surprising that the savior incident caused a negative stigma? The issue is that just because something has been negatively stigmatized at one point or another does not necessarily translate into it not... being in some sense, a sport. The problem here is that, at the core of all your posts, is a belief that the term eSports is only employed as a technique of self validation. The reason this is flawed is that, for many of us, there is no validation that needs to take place. The games do not need to "prove themselves" in order to do what they do. All that I did in my first post was highlight the ways in which the nature of the game itself, the way it is played out, and the way it is presented to audiences is, for all intents and purposes, indicative of sports of the second modernity.
To not call it a sport is tantamount to telling people that "google" can't be used as a verb. So if someone said, "Just google it," you would need to take 10 minutes out of your day to explain to them that what they are trying to say is, "Just access the internet through a terminal, proceed to any of a number of search engines like www.google.com and perform a search function using the relevant key words." Maybe you've got a point, but it's not one that actually performs any positive work.
lol, I see you don't get my point. Using flamboyant words won't make you right when you are wrong. You are trying too hard to be nonchalant about this naming thing because you know its the truth. E-sports sounds mainstream. Pro-games do not. I will leave this thread since you and I obviously don't see each others points. Your point is sc2 is a sport, my point is sc2 is a game. So I can see the difference of our situation in society. Have a nice day.
On April 16 2012 18:01 figq wrote: I'll refuse to believe this is happening, until (if) it actually happens. They still only discuss it as a possibility. For all we know, BW fans and the players may protest enough for BW leagues to remain active in the future.
Hmmm, perhaps a massive fan protest might do something, but I'm not too confident in its effectiveness considering that MBC Game shutting down started with whispers of rumors floating around followed by massive fan protest, yet the station did end up shutting down despite all the protests and the statements of "nothing is final" being uttered.
Yeah a "massive" protest with all the foreign BW fans. Literally only 100 people will sign up. Just face it BW is dead. I love BW, but sometimes you just have to get on with your life.
On April 16 2012 18:37 unknownGamer wrote: I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.
Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen. And with a huge sponsor like LG sponsoring IM team? I am not surprised. Bw is having problems with sponsorships and if someone like LG is sponsoring a sc2 team instead of a bw team then its a sign that sc2 is the current hot "pro-gaming" game.
Seriously? How is e-sports trying to be something it's not? It's most certainly an electronic sport, if you are afraid of the term that's ok but don't try and project your insecurities onto everyone.
Because it is not a sport. Ahh fuck it, if you want to think its a sport then go ahead, can't believe I am wasting my time here arguing to people who think I am insecure when they call a game "e-sports" instead of having the balls to call themselves "professional-games."
If golf, racing and poker are considered sports you don't think that video games can be considered sports? Also, tons of people call themselves professional gamers, not sure where you are getting the impression that it is some sort of taboo phrase.
The funny thing is, people are defending the name "e-sports" because its sounds mainstream. Tell me, for what other reason would people want to call themselves a sport other then to be accepted? Give me one good reason, nothing dramatic, realistic and straight to the point. If it makes sense, I will apologise.
Because it is a game that is played competitively at a very high level for cash rewards? Why wouldn't it be called an e-sport?
Does it not fit this definition of sports? "SportAccord uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[1] have an element of competition be in no way harmful to any living creature not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football) not rely on any 'luck' element specifically designed in to the sport"
I hope this brings a new era of innovation to WoL(olo). It'd be great to see terrans trying openings other than hellions against zerg, etc. Maybe even see some robo-less Protoss late game? Here's to hoping.
Say what you will but I enjoyed the first few SC2 leagues a ton because players were just figuring out how to play and watching that growth was pretty entertaining. I still enjoy the leagues today with higher levels (and still growing) of play but it's going to be a treat to watch it all over again. Also I'm on the first flight out to the next MLG that brings Bisu over.
On the BW side yeah it's sad to see it end but I came to terms with that ages ago rather than acting delusional about how this is somehow going to rekindle foreign interest in BW, so I'm a little less distraught than I would have been if we didn't already get wind of this happening for a year now.
I've always imagined it must suck to have to feel bitter about this whole thing all the time, but since I'm lucky enough to actually enjoy SC2 my excitement kind of overrides the negative feelings. So yeah I'm watching this, both the BW and SC2 games, regardless of the level of play.
The reason the BW games are better to watch are because it is a much more developed game. For example look at football (soccer for you Americans) nowadays compared to era's gone by, the level that the players now are at is far far better as a result of the game being more figured out and everyone improving with time. We are going to see that with SC2 imo, if you look back when the game was first released you had technically bad games, and even now they are nowhere near what you would call mechanically 'good'. Give it time, the game will improve and so will the players. OT: Can't wait to see what happens with the switch, I know it is hard for you BW fanatics to take but I feel your pain, I was there when MLG swapped from Halo 2 to 3 and then from 3 to Reach, change hurts but you get used to it
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