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On April 16 2012 18:01 figq wrote:
I'll refuse to believe this is happening, until (if) it actually happens. They still only discuss it as a possibility. For all we know, BW fans and the players may protest enough for BW leagues to remain active in the future.
Hmmm, perhaps a massive fan protest might do something, but I'm not too confident in its effectiveness considering that MBC Game shutting down started with whispers of rumors floating around followed by massive fan protest, yet the station did end up shutting down despite all the protests and the statements of "nothing is final" being uttered.
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On April 16 2012 18:06 bgx wrote:
No i took the jab at Blizzards marketing, because everyone defends business decisions here instead caring for better product. There was no need for SC2 to take this stupid route, SC2 could be BW from the start but we are taking long route to maximize Blizzard profit not our.
I dont care how well Blizzard will fare but i care about product quality, after 12 years of BW experience you could say Blizzard could skip this circus. But every SC2 passionate fan is content with being stolen, i dont want to buy second account so i could ladder off race i dont want to see OH SNAP Browder face when Parting and MKP lags out. This is a circus not "Greatest Esports title incoming" but because of those "passionate" fans Blizzard will never reconsider it, because apparently its FINE.
Im against unfinished products being titled "best ESPORTS", im for people who can say the truth, Starcraft vanilla and BW were pioneers, it was hard to expect BW having whole service while even simple internet streaming didnt even exist at that time, because of how easy internet media become SC2 rips the benefits of people's low expectations, its easy money for now. I dont care about celebrities i want no letency play for professional play so professional players can play without a burden of technical limitations, because its only step for true ESPORT, not having lan is shame, but people here are way moer content with defending business decisions over ESPORTS.
I agree I find it ridiculous that people are hyping SC2 as the best 'esport' ever, I find the term just plain stupid. And that Blizzard's handling of things such as LAN is stupid, but given what KeSPA did you can at least see their reasoning for wanting to keep control of the scene.
My issue is that people are hating on SC2 just because they simplified mechanics purely because it wouldn't make sense from a technological standpoint to only limit hotkeys to 12 units, or not have worker rallies. Things like that will not make the game suddenly terrible. That people who prefer SC2 over Brood War are plebians or 12 year olds or something insane like that.
I absolutely hate the elitist attitude that people have over two video games, I was under the impression that people played these things for fun first and foremost.
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Nothing we haven't already heard. All good things come to an end.
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Cmon dudes It's not about which game is better but which game is more commercially appealing. You cant deny that OGN struggling to find sponsors is a very bad sign, or when SKT's subsidiary had to jump in to save Proleague.
Besides, Im not worry about how "little" sc2 fan base currently is. KeSPA, with a decade doing this business, will definitely fare better than GOM (see WCG).
With BW in my heart, I'd rather be thankful that it lives for another season, whatever the format is.
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SC2 has been out for less than 2 years, and as much as I love BW I'm pretty it wasn't so exciting to watch when it first came out. Hell in 10 years people will have the same conversation about SC2 when its dying because of SC3.
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Glad to see the transition happening and can't wait to see the results of it after they have practiced!
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Personally, I'd rather have a clean break than all this 2 games at the same time nonsense. Push back PL season 2 by a month or so to give BW teams time to practice, then start with SC2 if that's what you want, but like someone said earlier in the thread, I think 50% BW and 50% SC2 will just result in a lower quality of games compared to 100% BW or 100% SC2. IMO this seems like a done deal, and I don't think the powers that be care about any fan opinion/outrage that will occur, so why not just go for SC2 and consequences be damned? Related to that, I hope an official announcement comes out soon instead of all these hinting articles. Everyone has heard these rumors already, why not make things official either way instead of just stirring up the fans again and again.
Edit: Re-read the 1st post, and these rumors are for next year PL, not next season? Hmmm.
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I can already see it...the LR threads will become one huge shitstorm.
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That is the way of life and evolution... Humans have always been afraid of change because it comes with the feeling to lose something. I am really sad that BW is going to end, but I also try to not forget that there are new chances and challenges in the future with SC2. I hope the history of SC2 will be well written in the end.
Time to change... time to accept the challenge! I am in the boat. For eSports!
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imagine if sc2 would be 12 years old and bw the "new" one. We would have the same discussion. It´s in almost everything what have a "new" part/rule/something that the old guys defending their ground with shitstorms without any knowledge.
Do BW fans really cheer for the game? Or for the players? How many of you would watch games of some random bad bw semi pro´s? Would you say "yea the players are really really bad but BroodWar is sooooo awesome!!!!". I don´t think so.
And please stop blaming blizzard for wanting to make money. It´s a company not a war veterans helping union.
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Everybody complains that BW is dying and SC2 is bad comapre. Who remembers things before BW, the original starcraft? And what was first few years of BW? How can you be sure SC2 won't be near the same 5 years down the road? And there is 1000 times more people watching SC2 now as much as BW.
Let's compare SC to soccer. If you look 50 years back(it is not 10 as SC, I know) the game was brilliant at the time. But the game got faster, better and more for fans. Same with SC2. You can not really compare those 2 just because they have the same name.
SC2 gives opportunity for people to break out and follow their dream they could not in BW. Now they can make living playing SC2, so it is better for EVERYONE. I just hope blizzard will see what made BW great and put that into SC2. THAT MEANS CARRIERS!
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All posters, please be advised that no one cares whether or not you like SC2 as game.
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Wait, I was fine with this until they said that they alternate SETS? As in, it will be an alternating bo7? That won't work well imo. Just make it two different bo7s. It won't work well this way >.>
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On April 16 2012 18:33 Ribbon wrote:
All posters, please be advised that no one cares whether or not you like SC2 as game.
I care.
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On April 16 2012 18:19 regizer239 wrote:
SC2 has been out for less than 2 years, and as much as I love BW I'm pretty it wasn't so exciting to watch when it first came out. Hell in 10 years people will have the same conversation about SC2 when its dying because of SC3.
This for gods sake this. From what I've seen the BW guys were very very quick to judge. I"m not saying they didn't put in time to try and learn the game but rather they're comparing it to the game that has developed out of 10 years of the best rts minds working on strategy's and perfecting their play. It's just not fair to the new game.
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On April 16 2012 18:10 Shrewmy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:06 bgx wrote:
No i took the jab at Blizzards marketing, because everyone defends business decisions here instead caring for better product. There was no need for SC2 to take this stupid route, SC2 could be BW from the start but we are taking long route to maximize Blizzard profit not our.
I dont care how well Blizzard will fare but i care about product quality, after 12 years of BW experience you could say Blizzard could skip this circus. But every SC2 passionate fan is content with being stolen, i dont want to buy second account so i could ladder off race i dont want to see OH SNAP Browder face when Parting and MKP lags out. This is a circus not "Greatest Esports title incoming" but because of those "passionate" fans Blizzard will never reconsider it, because apparently its FINE.
Im against unfinished products being titled "best ESPORTS", im for people who can say the truth, Starcraft vanilla and BW were pioneers, it was hard to expect BW having whole service while even simple internet streaming didnt even exist at that time, because of how easy internet media become SC2 rips the benefits of people's low expectations, its easy money for now. I dont care about celebrities i want no letency play for professional play so professional players can play without a burden of technical limitations, because its only step for true ESPORT, not having lan is shame, but people here are way moer content with defending business decisions over ESPORTS. I agree I find it ridiculous that people are hyping SC2 as the best 'esport' ever, I find the term just plain stupid. And that Blizzard's handling of things such as LAN is stupid, but given what KeSPA did you can at least see their reasoning for wanting to keep control of the scene. My issue is that people are hating on SC2 just because they simplified mechanics purely because it wouldn't make sense from a technological standpoint to only limit hotkeys to 12 units, or not have worker rallies. Things like that will not make the game suddenly terrible. That people who prefer SC2 over Brood War are plebians or 12 year olds or something insane like that. I absolutely hate the elitist attitude that people have over two video games, I was under the impression that people played these things for fun first and foremost.
Yes, im neither BW elitist or SC2, i stand in between and i would hate to see it merge. SC2 fans dont understand the aspect of fun in BW and BW dont see the aspect of fun in SC2. Its pretty simple those games are totally different even if on the first glance you can see many similiarities.
So i can understand BW people who dont want to support SC2, i myself would not really love JD playing SC2, i mean i have some curiosity, name it "how TBLS would fare in SC2 envinornment" but im pretty sure after 2 months i would be unhappy because i would know that i will never ever see JD mutas or Bisu shuttle guerilla play to give example.
BW-->SC2 seems like a great business decision for western E-sports world but poor for Korean E-sports, "we" as selfish side(i target mostly younger generation, and SC2 only fans) on this conflict want E-sport to be global even at expense of Korean esports. Its tricky situation but Blizzard is not making it any easier, in fact they are making it even harder because its hard to find BW qualities in SC2, there were many really good posts on TL describing differences, some people who wrote it swallowed it and continued their careers, same way as i would change my job just to get money, so i understand it perfectly from this point of view.
SC2 was made in a way that its really hard to transition from BW only into SC2, thats why im really worried that if SC2 flops the whole Korean esports will flop and global esports will follow it. Its serious risk, and blizzard is here at fault, they risked it by not including LAN(prioritizing business over quality), basically whole scene integrity is in their hands now. Im still waiting for some developement decison based on GSTL scandal (and others). I dont really see OSL ever airing SC2 without LAN, because its ridiculous to even think if someone lags out in front of few million viewers(hypothetically if SC2 will ever get comparable viewers to BW eh...).
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I don't get why people want to call it E-sports, its like people are trying to mainstream it to be something that is applicable to the norm. Why call it a sport? It just makes you trying hard to be something you are not. Why not be proud of the games you are playing and create a whole new genre, Even the term "gamer" is avoided by "e-sports" people because they don't want to be looked down upon by people who don't play games for a living. Ridiculous. just call it "pro-gaming". Non-pretentious unlike "e-sports" and a signification that you are proud of who you are. A professional gamer.
Back on topic, if it will happen, it will happen. And with a huge sponsor like LG sponsoring IM team? I am not surprised. Bw is having problems with sponsorships and if someone like LG is sponsoring a sc2 team instead of a bw team then its a sign that sc2 is the current hot "pro-gaming" game.
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On April 16 2012 18:34 ePLocust wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 18:19 regizer239 wrote:
SC2 has been out for less than 2 years, and as much as I love BW I'm pretty it wasn't so exciting to watch when it first came out. Hell in 10 years people will have the same conversation about SC2 when its dying because of SC3. This for gods sake this. From what I've seen the BW guys were very very quick to judge. I"m not saying they didn't put in time to try and learn the game but rather they're comparing it to the game that has developed out of 10 years of the best rts minds working on strategy's and perfecting their play. It's just not fair to the new game.
If SC2 is the best spectator RTS to watch 10 years from now, then I'll watch it then. I hold now grudges against it.
Until it IS better, though, why does it need to REPLACE what is better RIGHT NOW? How does my potential enjoyment of SC2 games played 10 years from now relate to games being currently boring?
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Not sure what to think about this... I'm very sad and very happy at the same time :o
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The day after tomorrow 
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