EPTMedivacs is so stupid in creation when you have to rely on a single air ship to heal your units while you can just make a few medics to accompany your marines . Sc2 is amazing.
Possibility of complete translation to SC2 next yr - Page 7
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
Medivacs is so stupid in creation when you have to rely on a single air ship to heal your units while you can just make a few medics to accompany your marines . Sc2 is amazing. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:12 cLicK wrote: Speaking of which O_o. Will ACE participate in this? With NaDa and July planning to go to army service this year/soon, I wonder if they'll start teaching/playing for ACE. | ||
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
i'll buy the monthly ticket to Afreeca if that really happens.. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
I'm not going to pretend I'm not somewhat interested in seeing how Bisu and Fantasy play sc2 but I hoped it would be held off a little longer. The quality is games is going to be awful with them trying to practice for both games. I hope they have some players practice sc2 only and some BW only, but then again when the full transition to sc2 comes the BW only guys will get fucked so maybe that's a foolish idea. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
I've really enjoyed TL these past few years that I've been on it. I hope the amateur scene in Korea explodes so there's still reason to pay attention. Maybe in a couple of years we'll end up with a new pro scene that has learned from many mistakes, no Kespa, and a revival. Maybe I just won't follow ESPORTS anymore. | ||
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
Having come from Brood War myself, I can't deny it's nostalgia. However, the continued success of Starcraft now rests with Starcraft 2. This is an open request for the BW old guards to stop viciously attacking anyone that attempts to portray Starcraft 2 as the natural progression from BW. You say that not acknowledging BW hurts eSPORTs - well not giving Starcraft 2 a chance can potentially destroy eSPORTs. | ||
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yakitate304
United States655 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 16 2012 16:04 wassbix wrote: Lets be real, OGN/Kespa doesn't market to foreign audiences. Look at all the PL/OSL/MSL sponsors and tell me anyone outside of Korea would have heard of those companies (I guess coke and pringles count...) Unless of course they have some agreement where Blizzard sponsors major tournaments but I highly doubt this. That might change soon. OGN's LoL league has English commentators (Moletrap and Torch, last I heard) on their own own3d.tv and twitch.tv streams. OGN doing something similar for SC2 would not be unprecedented. Heck, maybe it might be interesting to see old faces cast BW again in the hybrid league. Plus, according to an article buried in the other rumors thread, KeSPA just can't find sponsors for BW. Even with great games and great storylines attracting a huge (but shrinking) BW fanbase, the sponsors just aren't lining up. Match fixing scandal and IP rights lawsuit have caused too much damage, and the viewership, though still large, has declined noticeably since its height around 2006. KeSPA considering SC2 shows how desperate they are for sponsors, and this desperation is manifesting itself in these rumors of huge changes in the near future. Whatever companies they are talking with obviously are extremely apprehensive about sponsoring BW and are possibly more inclined to sponsor SC2. Basically, I think this entire ordeal is just a dramatic example of how BW's sponsor-based business model in Korea is failing. The game obviously is still very popular to play and watch, but the scene does not make money directly off of those numbers. Instead, the scene makes money off of sponsors who hope to make money off of the game's popularity. But with match fixing and IP rights eroding the scene's legitimacy and other games like LoL and MMOs (but ironically not SC2) eroding the scene's viewer base, the sponsors have backed off even with a big audience that still exists to advertise to. No matter how great the games are and how many fans still line up to watch those games, professional BW just can't function without sponsor money. KeSPA is trying to turn all this around with some crazy changes, but who knows what else they might try if their SC2 venture completely bombs. | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
First of all, removing BW is going to kill the scene. Do you really think you are going to have the same stadium numbers if you switch to SC2? No, they will all disappear, and Kespa will be competing with Gom for audience numbers. Which are tiny, compared to BW audiences. Removing BW will also remove any faith of there ever existing a REAL ESPORT. Its a huge irony, that BW players are forced to switch to SC2. What's the point in getting good at SC2, when SC3 is going to come out and all that childhood devotion will be completely wasted. We will never get star players, because its too risky to start at 12 years old and realise by the time you are old enough to become a progamer, the next game has already come out. Hell even the expansions are going to completely change the way we play the game. This sucks when you are playing for a career. What the point in maining a race, when you have no idea how that race will be in the next expansion, let alone, balance patch. The richest SC2 player still, doesn't make a fraction of the money the top BW players make, nor has the security of a high paying salary, rather than prize money. Again, how is this good for progaming careers? | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:28 Battousai13 wrote: For anyone that says true sports never die. That statement is true, but there is also no precedence for it. If there was suddenly the invention of baseball 2, with the same analogous improvements as BW to SC2, are you so sure that people wouldn't switch over? Brood War was a monumentus game that catalyzed the growth of an industry, that can't be questioned. However, how much longer are you going to force continued support for it? In the gaming world, upgrades are expected and necessary for the continued growth of the franchise. If the livelihood of Starcraft were to hinge on how many new players you could convince to play the game, how successful do you think you would be? Having come from Brood War myself, I can't deny it's nostalgia. However, the continued success of Starcraft now rests with Starcraft 2. This is an open request for the BW old guards to stop viciously attacking anyone that attempts to portray Starcraft 2 as the natural progression from BW. You say that not acknowledging BW hurts eSPORTs - well not giving Starcraft 2 a chance can potentially destroy eSPORTs. Sc2 had it's chances to buy us over loyal bw fans but it hasn't when you produced a good that is sub par compared to it's predecessor which is bw . I don't care about esports never did ,never will . It's like saying for e-sports is going to change anything when everyone is basing on if the game is popular it must be good . On April 16 2012 17:29 eviltomahawk wrote: That might change soon. OGN's LoL league has English commentators (Moletrap and Torch, last I heard) on their own own3d.tv and twitch.tv streams. OGN doing something similar for SC2 would not be unprecedented. Heck, maybe it might be interesting to see old faces cast BW again in the hybrid league. Plus, according to an article buried in the other rumors thread, KeSPA just can't find sponsors for BW. Even with great games and great storylines attracting a huge (but shrinking) BW fanbase, the sponsors just aren't lining up. Match fixing scandal and IP rights lawsuit have caused too much damage, and the viewership, though still large, has declined noticeably since its height around 2006. KeSPA considering SC2 shows how desperate they are for sponsors, and this desperation is manifesting itself in these rumors of huge changes in the near future. Whatever companies they are talking with obviously are extremely apprehensive about sponsoring BW and are possibly more inclined to sponsor SC2. Basically, I think this entire ordeal is just a dramatic example of how BW's sponsor-based business model in Korea is failing. The game obviously is still very popular to play and watch, but the scene does not make money directly off of those numbers. Instead, the scene makes money off of sponsors who hope to make money off of the game's popularity. But with match fixing and IP rights eroding the scene's legitimacy and other games like LoL and MMOs (but ironically not SC2) eroding the scene's viewer base, the sponsors have backed off even with a big audience that still exists to advertise to. No matter how great the games are and how many fans still line up to watch those games, professional BW just can't function without sponsor money. KeSPA is trying to turn all this around with some crazy changes, but who knows what else they might try if their SC2 venture completely bombs. The article was referring to osl having difficulty finding sponsors for it's starleague . Kespa league is already sanctioned by big companies for each team . I find it difficult for kespa to be saying it has trouble finding sponsors when I still see KT/SKT still sponsoring their teams . | ||
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xXxAPM_NoScoP_420xXx
France31 Posts
But be prepared for a lot of tears/rage. | ||
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whatusername
Canada1181 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:17 Inflicted_ wrote: With NaDa and July planning to go to army service this year/soon, I wonder if they'll start teaching/playing for ACE. This has been my hope in the event of a switch over. Would give a chance to see both still in action and would help ACE deal with the transition. | ||
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sCCrooked
Korea (South)1306 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:36 whatusername wrote:EG Jaedong and SK Flash anyone? Such blasphemy is punishable by burning at the stake. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:28 Battousai13 wrote: For anyone that says true sports never die. That statement is true, but there is also no precedence for it. If there was suddenly the invention of baseball 2, with the same analogous improvements as BW to SC2, are you so sure that people wouldn't switch over? Brood War was a monumentus game that catalyzed the growth of an industry, that can't be questioned. However, how much longer are you going to force continued support for it? In the gaming world, upgrades are expected and necessary for the continued growth of the franchise. If the livelihood of Starcraft were to hinge on how many new players you could convince to play the game, how successful do you think you would be? Having come from Brood War myself, I can't deny it's nostalgia. However, the continued success of Starcraft now rests with Starcraft 2. This is an open request for the BW old guards to stop viciously attacking anyone that attempts to portray Starcraft 2 as the natural progression from BW. You say that not acknowledging BW hurts eSPORTs - well not giving Starcraft 2 a chance can potentially destroy eSPORTs. You are trolling, right? SC2 is not a better version of BW. It is not a "natural progression from BW". It is a different game, and many people (including me) would argue that it is an inferior game. And I'm starting to wish I had a nickel for every person who mentioned nostalgia as the core reason for watching BW. | ||
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.Mystic
Canada486 Posts
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tharid
78 Posts
On April 16 2012 16:58 Pronkers wrote: The sc2 mechanical skillcap was reached long ago; everything in professional level play is mostly decisionmaking. I agree on the point that decision making is the major part of SC2 professional gaming. Yet you have over 10 years of development in BW in which pro players could perfect their mechanics, but SC2 is still very young. So please let time tell, because you only assume that a certain "skillcap" (which is a very volatile term anyway) is already reached. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:38 sCCrooked wrote: Such blasphemy is punishable by burning at the stake. Some could say watching JD massing roaches or Bisu massing collo deathball would be as well. Because it will already destroy the legacy, the most recognizable foundations of JD and Bisu and 20 other top progamers does not exist in SC2. | ||
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
How many of you think that vanilla SC would be fun to watch with how awfully unbalanced the multiplayer was? | ||
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