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pestilenz
Denmark379 Posts
Looking so much forward to this ! | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:36 whatusername wrote: Sweet! Is anyone else excited for Flash microing BLUE FLAME HELLIONS, and firing off CONCUSSIVE SHELLS? Jaedong rushing unique unit combos like ROACHES and HYDRALISKS? or even Bisu pulling off some insane COLOSSUS moves? man I can't wait for these BW players to switch to SC2, the next step in competitive RTS gaming! finally, a game where people won't have to rely on mechanics and where strategy can truly shine. EG Jaedong and SK Flash anyone? Sarcasm detected! | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
"Pro teams made clear that they won't recruit any current SC2 players for 1 year to give BW Pros chance to adapt at this new game." This directly contradicts the IM coach and Nestea, who have said the BW teams have been scouting SC2 B-teamers with potential. Someone is lying. I think KeSPA is doing a door-in-the-face thing, acting like they're going to get rid of BW entirely so people will be more accepting of "only" getting the split league. | ||
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Archvil3
Denmark989 Posts
A full transition should not be considered before HoTS and even then it depends on how much Blizzard manages to improve the game. Right now BW is just so much better then SC2. (words from an SC2 fan that never knew of TL or BW as an esport untill late SC2 beta) | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:46 Ribbon wrote: Rumors rumors rumors. "Pro teams made clear that they won't recruit any current SC2 players for 1 year to give BW Pros chance to adapt at this new game." This directly contradicts the IM coach and Nestea, who have said the BW teams have been scouting SC2 B-teamers with potential. Someone is lying. Scouting is not recruiting. Also pretty sure there are some b-team SC2 players training currently in BW houses, they are however, not current SC2 players as they don't play in any leagues. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:43 Shrewmy wrote: Can we just cut the elitism out? I've been watching BW for a good five or so years, and yes it's a better game, yes it's harder to play and yes it's more fun to watch. But SC2 is also pretty good to watch, not to mention it's not even got an expansion out to add more flexibility to each race. How many of you think that vanilla SC would be fun to watch with how awfully unbalanced the multiplayer was? And how long did you wait for BW? SC vanilla was only five or so months episode thats why no one is talking about it, SC in 3 years changed from vanilla to BW and last patch came out already sealing the deal of balance while SC2 after 2 years has barely functioning chat channels. Do you like that comparison? | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:47 Archvil3 wrote: Too soon, should not be happening yet. Shouldn't be happening ever. KeSPA getting into SC2 is probably inevitable, but actively killing of BW entirely would be an incredibly stupid decision. Even if they end up running it at a loss or shrinking it to save money, BW is Korean e-sports. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:32 Sawamura wrote: The article was referring to osl having difficulty finding sponsors for it's starleague . Kespa league is already sanctioned by big companies for each team . I find it difficult for kespa to be saying it has trouble finding sponsors when I still see KT/SKT still sponsoring their teams . That's true, although considering how huge OSL should be in the scene now that MSL is dead, I think it's a big deal that KeSPA is having trouble finding sponsors for the premier professional BW individual league. Plus, I'm not sure if Proleague can continue to be sponsored by a KeSPA company's subsidiary like SK Planet. I think It needs a completely external sponsor like Shinhan rather than a pseudo-sponsor like SK Planet. Plus, Team 8 still being unsponsored doesn't look too great, although I did hear that the coach mention in a recent interview that there is a possible sponsor in the works. But I'm not very comfortable with the state of the scene considering that SK Planet is a subsidiary of SK Telecom and Jin Air is a subsidiary of Korean Air. | ||
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:49 bgx wrote: And how long did you wait for BW? SC vanilla was only five or so months episode thats why no one is talking about it, SC in 3 years changed from vanilla to BW and last patch came out already sealing the deal of balance while SC2 after 2 years has barely functioning chat channels. Do you like that comparison? The length between release is irrelevant. The fact is you're judging two games, one of which has had 10 or so years to develop. Do you honestly think you could look at a pro BW game in 2002 and 2012 and say they were exactly the same? Then you go on about chat channels, which is completely irrelevant to the actual gameplay, why even bring that up? Do you even realise how clunky SC's chat channels were on release? A max of 40 players? Spam bots? It's still better than SC2's but it's completely pointless to argue about battle.net when it has no effect on the actual gameplay. The fact is that Brood War introduced new units and balance changes that flipped everything around and allowed it to develop, it's absolutely unfair to compare it to a game that hasn't had any major unit/race changes. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:49 Ribbon wrote: Shouldn't be happening ever. KeSPA getting into SC2 is probably inevitable, but actively killing of BW entirely would be an incredibly stupid decision. Even if they end up running it at a loss or shrinking it to save money, BW is Korean e-sports. This x100 Im pro SC2 evolving against BW dying, those 2 entities should be separated from each other as far away as possible. BW has almost nothing to do with SC2 and vice versa, these games are totally different at competetive level, getting them into 1 basket is really risky for the scene. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
Fixed. The foreign scene is pathetic. It's not build on anything more than greed and the shoulders of korean BW. It can't last like that. Supporting e-sports is killing off sc2. If sc2 didn't have expansions per-emptively announced, I would bet it would already be dying off. | ||
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Scereye
Austria154 Posts
=BW fans provoke SC2 fans with silly comments untill SC2 fans try to defend their game... some of them may post stupid and offensive stuff, and most of them get warned/banned for a reason (!). But it shouldnt be allowed to provoke each other by attacking the other ones favourite game. Especially comments like "SC2 guys shouldnt be allowed to post in this threads". =SC2 fans provoke BW fans with silly comments. SC2 fan gets warned. I HAVE A DREAM! (Thats just my observation, i may just feel like that... meh) | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
BW Proleague, you will be forever remembered, and at least you didn't die poorly like BW WCGs, you gave us the most amazing finals in the half decade. | ||
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Joefish
Germany314 Posts
It still feels wrong although BW hasn't been the same after the savoir incident but still it is one of the most enjoyable RTS title out there (at least for me). When the switch happens I hope the A players will crush all of SC2 so hard that Blizzard needs to adapt their game to the higher skill that emerged in competitive gaming. Most likely that won't happen. And I don't even know if that would be a step in the right direction.. I guess we just need time. Time to get used to fact that we won't see any major broodwar tourneys anymore, some of our beloved progamers will retire and watching SC2. I witnessed the rise and fall of WC3 and fortunately discovered Broodwar what became my new spectator obsession. When SC2 beta came I played the shit out of it. But it just wasnt the same. Even with all the tournaments emerging (watching 24/7 cups/tourneys was mindblowing), the rapid growing community I felt like something was missing. The thrill bw gave me when I watched e.g. JD vs Stork. The tears, the pain I felt when game was decided. Like it wasn't just a game but a battle between gods and you were allowed to watch the clash of titans.. And that's what probably will take time to occur in SC2. Sure, I definitely exaggerated in your eyes. But that's how I feel when I watch a really good match of broodwar. That's why I don't get tired of watching games 20-30 times, because they're timeless for me. Just like the game. I don't care if the graphics are dated or the mechanics are not 2012-like. Why do people still play Zelda/Mario/Doom/Keen/Megaman and don't get tired of it? Nostalgia. And I love it. Even if bw will disappear I'm confident that if I want to play some 1x1s there will be some like-minded people out there. And if Iccup dies there will be a place for me to get crushed on fish. And as long VioleTAK, nevake, SayleBW,... still upload/commentate games I won't be too sad.  So long BW. Thanks for the awesome time you gave me and maybe will give me in future. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:47 Archvil3 wrote: Too soon, should not be happening yet. A full transition should not be considered before HoTS and even then it depends on how much Blizzard manages to improve the game. Right now BW is just so much better then SC2. (words from an SC2 fan that never knew of TL or BW as an esport untill late SC2 beta) Considering that the Beta should start relatively soon this might be the PERFECT time to switch. BW pros could get used to the overall game untill the beta starts so they are relatively at the skill level of the WoL players and then start practicing the HoTS beta at the same time as the WoL players. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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S2Glow
Singapore1042 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On April 16 2012 17:54 Shrewmy wrote: The length between release is irrelevant. The fact is you're judging two games, one of which has had 10 or so years to develop. Do you honestly think you could look at a pro BW game in 2002 and 2012 and say they were exactly the same? Then you go on about chat channels, which is completely irrelevant to the actual gameplay, why even bring that up? Do you even realise how clunky SC's chat channels were on release? A max of 40 players? Spam bots? It's still better than SC2's but it's completely pointless to argue about battle.net when it has no effect on the actual gameplay. The fact is that Brood War introduced new units and balance changes that flipped everything around and allowed it to develop, it's absolutely unfair to compare it to a game that hasn't had any major unit/race changes. No i took the jab at Blizzards marketing, because everyone defends business decisions here instead caring for better product. There was no need for SC2 to take this stupid route, SC2 could be BW from the start but we are taking long route to maximize Blizzard profit not our. I dont care how well Blizzard will fare but i care about product quality, after 12 years of BW experience you could say Blizzard could skip this circus. But every SC2 passionate fan is content with being stolen, i dont want to buy second account so i could ladder off race i dont want to see OH SNAP Browder face when Parting and MKP lags out. This is a circus not "Greatest Esports title incoming" but because of those "passionate" fans Blizzard will never reconsider it, because apparently its FINE. Im against unfinished products being titled "best ESPORTS", im for people who can say the truth, Starcraft vanilla and BW were pioneers, it was hard to expect BW having whole service while even simple internet streaming didnt even exist at that time, because of how easy internet media become SC2 rips the benefits of people's low expectations, its easy money for now. I dont care about celebrities i want no letency play for professional play so professional players can play without a burden of technical limitations, because its only step for true ESPORT, not having lan is shame, but people here are way moer content with defending business decisions over ESPORTS. | ||
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United States538 Posts
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