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This is such a stupid thread.
Foreigners practice less.
Foreigners aren't as good as a result of practicing less.
Result: ban Koreans.
No thank you, I'd rather watch top level game play than watch foreigners struggle around. Besides, foreign tournaments would be won by Stephano, Naniwa (maybe), IdrA (he still is good enough to slap around most foreigners)... and that's about it, maybe Thorzain, Kas? But Stephano would dominate nearly any tournament he entered. What's exciting about that?
People need to stop being butt hurt and tell your foreign heroes to PRACTICE MORE.
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On April 11 2012 02:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:20 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:14 rift wrote:On April 11 2012 02:09 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:00 Sein wrote:On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time. Who are the "hometown heroes" for you? Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win. The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans. I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way. The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue. There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene. Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated. I would be fine with that.
I just think it's hilarious that the "Western Masses" have no fucking idea what eSports is because they're too busy watching Fox News or Jersey Shore. Let's be realistic... These stupid masses don't have the smarts to watch eSports.
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There is only one thing that is necessary to be said that answers all the questions and debates of this topic (except one):
SC2 to be a global sport needs to have stars globaly.
This should be self-evident, and there's no need to post anything that goes aggainst it. The only thing to argue here is,
how can we make it happen
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The thing for me is that I would love for foreigners to do well, but I have come to terms with that being rather unlikely.
I just assume that some korean will win every time (since they are better and deserve it) and then I just see it as a bonus if some foreigner manages to do well. Kind of like how it was in Brood War. SC2 actually mirrors BW`s development I think, with foreigners doing really well in the beginning and then falling further and further behind as time passes by. The reasons behind it are most probably a complex combination of factors (some of them being culture, a cluster effect, differences in income and living standards). How many foreigners have you seen perform well in Code S lately? I think people had too high hopes for the foreigners due to how it all started out, but now things are starting to "normalize".
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On April 11 2012 02:18 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:13 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2012 02:12 ref4 wrote:On April 11 2012 02:09 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:00 Sein wrote:On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time. Who are the "hometown heroes" for you? Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win. The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans. hmm interesting I don't seem to relate myself to an angry American midget, a Canadian midget or a Swede more so than I can to a South Korean. but they speak english!!!!!!!!! Truly a character defining attribute. lol so can Korean pros like DRG and Polt. and why is anyone STILL an IdrA fan? I mean he rage quits even in tournaments, put up bad results and doesn't give a rat's ass about his fans.
... That's what people have been trying to tell you the whole thread.
IdrA gets 10-15 times the viewers of Losira, Min, and every other Zerg except Stephano.
Mind you, it isn't just because he's a foreigner - Sheth doesn't get these numbers, for example - but being the foreigner hope for 3-4 years during BW and SC 2 Beta has done wonders for IdrA. His personality, which is a lot more relatable for NA/EU fans than that of Korean pros, got him the rest.
Stephano is the same. He's the present foreigner hope, and that alone gives him a huge number of views. The rest he gets from his personality, which from what I've seen appeals to a lot of people in the West.
Nobody is saying that being a foreigner makes you automatically successful and popular among foreigners - but it's a huge factor in why foreigner stars are successful and popular.
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On April 11 2012 02:50 Grend wrote:
The thing for me is that I would love for foreigners to do well, but I have come to terms with that being rather unlikely.
I just assume that some korean will win every time (since they are better and deserve it) and then I just see it as a bonus if some foreigner manages to do well. Kind of like how it was in Brood War. SC2 actually mirrors BW`s development I think, with foreigners doing really well in the beginning and then falling further and further behind as time passes by. The reasons behind it are most probably a complex combination of factors (some of them being culture, a cluster effect, differences in income and living standards). How many foreigners have you seen perform well in Code S lately? I think people had too high hopes for the foreigners due to how it all started out, but now things are starting to "normalize".
anybody that really knew about bw, knew this was going to happen. Only delusional people and people who knew absolutely nothing about sc and how much skill it took to be at a pro level thought this wouldn't happen.
I for one can't wait for these fans that whine because Koreans dominate to disappear. I'm so sick and tired of their whining regarding Koreans.
I just want to watch the best possible games.
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On April 11 2012 02:32 sCCrooked wrote:
ITT:
-Ban the best because there's too much of them.
-Increase the frequency of foreigners playing in tournaments even if literally none of them will ever make it past Ro8 or so with the limitations.
Anybody even slightly inclined to siding with this type of mindset probably also thinks black people should be banned from basketball, hispanics/europeans from international football, and Canadians from hockey. Just putting this in perspective for how absolutely ridiculous and racist you people are being whether or not you are capable of realizing it (all the posts so far just make them look even worse for re-iterating their unbelievably biggoted way of thinking).
The very concept of competition means SOMEONE is going to be the underdog and its up to them to step up their game.
Great post. Now answer this - what do you think about your own country's policy of restricting the number of foreigners on Korean teams and in Korean sports leagues?
Are you okay with Korean soccer teams being all Europeans/South Americans and Korean basketball teams being all African Americans?
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I don't play SC2 anymore but i still watch a lot of big tournaments. I don't wanna see only korean tournament like last IPL. IPL4 was great but I would prefer watching more foreigners like TLO or Sheth, Huk, Naniwa, Sase. I want to see my favourite players not the ankward Koreans like bomber who can't even say a word in english. Some of my friends stopped watching IPL after Stephano lost in loser's bracket just like me and just like other casuals. If I want to watch Koreans I will watch GSL with Tastosis!
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On April 11 2012 03:00 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:32 sCCrooked wrote:
ITT:
-Ban the best because there's too much of them.
-Increase the frequency of foreigners playing in tournaments even if literally none of them will ever make it past Ro8 or so with the limitations.
Anybody even slightly inclined to siding with this type of mindset probably also thinks black people should be banned from basketball, hispanics/europeans from international football, and Canadians from hockey. Just putting this in perspective for how absolutely ridiculous and racist you people are being whether or not you are capable of realizing it (all the posts so far just make them look even worse for re-iterating their unbelievably biggoted way of thinking).
The very concept of competition means SOMEONE is going to be the underdog and its up to them to step up their game. Great post. Now answer this - what do you think about your own country's policy of restricting the number of foreigners on Korean teams and in Korean sports leagues? Are you okay with Korean soccer teams being all Europeans/South Americans and Korean basketball teams being all African Americans?
Korea isn't the only country who requires a % of locals in their sports clubs. The idea is that the team with the most money doesn't just go out and buy an all-star team consisting of the world's best players. Also, at the highest level available locally, a country farms talent for their National Teams. It wouldn't help the scouts for the Korean national teams if they couldn't pick anybody from the best leagues in their country due to the fact that they aren't Korean. I'll tell you one thing, though. The Korean soccer players who end up on teams like Manchester United are at an advantage over any number of local talents, because they are recognized as being good. Lastly, 1:1 comparisons between SC2 and real sports are getting a little tired. Western countries don't recognize SC as a real sport, so don't act like it is one. In our neck of the woods, computer games are something you do after work or school, or on the weekend. Typically, if you want a career in the gaming industry, you get a career in making them or marketing them, not in playing them professionally.
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What the hell is wrong with this thread and the people posting in it? What about just watching high level games, if foreigners cant keep up with koreans who's fault is that? Most foreigners are shit and I don't enjoy watching them play at all, I would rather watch B team koreans than watch 2 fucking nobody foreigners play.
What good would limiting the amount of koreans that can enter a tournament, if they only allow 8 koreans in and they all finish top 8, then what? disallow any koreans from entering and have a shit and boring low level tournament? I'd rather go and play a low level game myself, the whole point of spectating is to see the highest level of play and the extreme levels of skill displayed by these monster koreans you seem to hate.
On April 11 2012 02:36 TritaN wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:32 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:25 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2012 02:20 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:14 rift wrote:On April 11 2012 02:09 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:00 Sein wrote:On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time. Who are the "hometown heroes" for you? Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win. The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans. I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way. The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue. There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene. Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated. Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call. A guy who wanted to watch people he could relate to win and play does not care at all about "good play" or the spirit of the game or whatever. They will not watch Korean dominated tournies I don't want to live on this planet with you anymore.
I agree with this guy, I don't wanna live on this planet with you fucking idiots and your scrubby foreigners any more ....
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I'm not sure this is "recent" (actually I am sure it's not) but any measures to restrict entry I do not think are a good idea. It is not right to compare SC2 to what the IOC does for example. The goal of the competition is not the same. WCG restricts entry and it makes sense for them, but not for tournaments in general. Most viewers don't care that much about the nationality, they just want to see the best players.
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On April 11 2012 02:32 YodaGoneMad wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:25 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2012 02:20 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:14 rift wrote:On April 11 2012 02:09 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:00 Sein wrote:On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time. Who are the "hometown heroes" for you? Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win. The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans. I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way. The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue. There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene. Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated. Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call. Last year western players had a chance, last year was the explosion of popularity. MLG Dallas was April 1-3 last year, almost exactly a year ago. Dallas was one of the first big western tournaments were western players won and people really got excited. The scene has been shrinking steadily since the start of Q4 2011, I expect it to really shrink this year, as the Koreans dominate and more and more viewers stop caring. You need to remember the growth last year was the western market, and without western players winning that growth will evaporate. A guy who wanted to watch people he could relate to win and play does not care at all about "good play" or the spirit of the game or whatever. They will not watch Korean dominated tournies, the numbers reflect this, the audience is shrinking, and the sponsors are nervous.
Instead of complaining about Koreans, why don't you buy some EG t-shirts so they can spend more money training Huk and Idra?
The solution is to make foreign players better, not to ban Koreans.
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I think the best course of action in order to handle the massive influx of Korean SCII players winning all the tournaments is to turn Korean. I did it around 19 years ago when I was born actually.
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On April 11 2012 03:15 BigBossX wrote:What the hell is wrong with this thread and the people posting in it? What about just watching high level games, if foreigners cant keep up with koreans who's fault is that? Most foreigners are shit and I don't enjoy watching them play at all, I would rather watch B team koreans than watch 2 fucking nobody foreigners play. What good would limiting the amount of koreans that can enter a tournament, if they only allow 8 koreans in and they all finish top 8, then what? disallow any koreans from entering and have a shit and boring low level tournament? I'd rather go and play a low level game myself, the whole point of spectating is to see the highest level of play and the extreme levels of skill displayed by these monster koreans you seem to hate. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:36 TritaN wrote:On April 11 2012 02:32 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:25 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2012 02:20 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:14 rift wrote:On April 11 2012 02:09 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:00 Sein wrote:On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time. Who are the "hometown heroes" for you? Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win. The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans. I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way. The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue. There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene. Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated. Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call. A guy who wanted to watch people he could relate to win and play does not care at all about "good play" or the spirit of the game or whatever. They will not watch Korean dominated tournies I don't want to live on this planet with you anymore. I agree with this guy, I don't wanna live on this planet with you fucking idiots and your scrubby foreigners any more ....
The worst thing about this thread is the fact that people act like koreans have no personality, even though we have a few koreans that likes to please the crowds from time to time. Also add to the fact that there are alot of new koreans going to foreigner tournaments lately which is new to being outside of Korea, I believe most of em arent sure how to react on stage etc, give em time.
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On April 11 2012 03:18 yomi wrote:
I'm not sure this is "recent" (actually I am sure it's not) but any measures to restrict entry I do not think are a good idea. It is not right to compare SC2 to what the IOC does for example. The goal of the competition is not the same. WCG restricts entry and it makes sense for them, but not for tournaments in general. Most viewers don't care that much about the nationality, they just want to see the best players.
There are more evidance on the contarary:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327880¤tpage=28#548
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On April 11 2012 03:15 BigBossX wrote:What the hell is wrong with this thread and the people posting in it? What about just watching high level games, if foreigners cant keep up with koreans who's fault is that? Most foreigners are shit and I don't enjoy watching them play at all, I would rather watch B team koreans than watch 2 fucking nobody foreigners play. What good would limiting the amount of koreans that can enter a tournament, if they only allow 8 koreans in and they all finish top 8, then what? disallow any koreans from entering and have a shit and boring low level tournament? I'd rather go and play a low level game myself, the whole point of spectating is to see the highest level of play and the extreme levels of skill displayed by these monster koreans you seem to hate. Show nested quote +On April 11 2012 02:36 TritaN wrote:On April 11 2012 02:32 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:25 Tachion wrote:On April 11 2012 02:20 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:14 rift wrote:On April 11 2012 02:09 YodaGoneMad wrote:On April 11 2012 02:00 Sein wrote:On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time. Who are the "hometown heroes" for you? Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win. The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans. I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way. The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue. There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene. Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated. Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call. A guy who wanted to watch people he could relate to win and play does not care at all about "good play" or the spirit of the game or whatever. They will not watch Korean dominated tournies I don't want to live on this planet with you anymore. I agree with this guy, I don't wanna live on this planet with you fucking idiots and your scrubby foreigners any more ....
A prime example of a fucking idiot scrubby foreigner who can't comperhand the arguments of his peers (aka the "anti-koreans") and argues against a strawman argument which no one talked about.
People have already explained, a thousand times, why having a ton of Koreans on foreign tournemants is bad, I have showed evidance to prove that the majority of the viewers want to see foreigners, David Ting himself said that having too many Koreans was a mistake.
Who are you to tell us what is the point of watching? Who are you to tell us wether we hate something, or someone, without trying to even understand what we tell you, a thousand times.
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The internet is here to break down boundries and borders, not strenghten them.
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So if black guys were better at basketball, would you ban them?
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If there was a small gap between Koreans and the rest of the world, and there were many more Korean players than foreigner players, I may agree with a restriction on registration for foreign tournaments. But the way things currently stand, no way.
IPL4 was an outlier as far as foreign tournaments have gone. Most of them, I feel like, have had an equal mix of Korean and foreigner players. And yet the Ro8 and beyond is almost always exclusively Korean. If you had forced a certain percentage of players from specific regions, you'd have the BNet Invitational all over again, where the Koreans get to the finals, and the SEA and South American representatives drop out immediately. The best competition is one that involves the best players, period. We have a handful of foreigners (I think I could count them on one hand) that can compete regularly with Koreans. This is unacceptable. If foreign players want special treatment in foreign tournaments, then they need to get better. End of story. I love local favorites as much as the next person, but they need to prove themselves, not be invited because of their nationality. The same goes for foreigner seeds in the GSL...it just shouldn't be done.
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On April 11 2012 03:34 MoonfireSpam wrote:
So if black guys were better at basketball, would you ban them?
Korean = Country.
Black People = Race.
And, guess what, most people worldwide don't watch NBA as much as they watch their own local leagues.
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