On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
hmm interesting I don't seem to relate myself to an angry American midget, a Canadian midget or a Swede more so than I can to a South Korean.
but they speak english!!!!!!!!! Truly a character defining attribute.
lol so can Korean pros like DRG and Polt.
and why is anyone STILL an IdrA fan? I mean he rage quits even in tournaments, put up bad results and doesn't give a rat's ass about his fans.
Just for the record I am not a "fan" of any SC2 player, because I really have not been interested since the Koreans dominated everything. I bring up a big tournaments on the last day, check to see that the top 10+ spots are all Koreans, and then forget about it. Those were just some examples I recall from the earlier days of the SC2 scene, when Western players actually had a chance.
I think the ultimate relatable western player is Tyler. He is the average guy, he interacts with the community, and he is just a lot of fun to watch. It is sad he has not been able to do good at all in SC2.
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way.
The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue.
There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene.
Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated.
Tell the Western players to get better then. You can't beat someone who plays 10 hours a day against people of the highest skill level if you don't do the same thing. It will never happen.
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way.
The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue.
There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene.
Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated.
Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call.
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
You sound incredibly close-minded and xenophobic.
At the same time, it would be wishful thinking for us to pretend that nobody thinks that way. At least he's honest.
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
Where would the guys like Polt, Moon, Lyn, Cella fit? They "speak passable English", but they don't fit into "anyone but a Korean" criteria.
Most koreans train in a more professional environment, have a more professional attitude towards the game and their society actually encourages them to be good at gaming. I don't get why it's a problem. I wanna see the best games possible and I don't care whether they're korean or foreign.
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way.
The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue.
There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene.
Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated.
You won't have to see me in a few years because I'll tell you now I don't care. If that happens, so be it. I've been watching Korean StarCraft for years. SC2 isn't exactly staying fresh, anyways.
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way.
The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue.
There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene.
Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated.
Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call.
Last year western players had a chance, last year was the explosion of popularity. MLG Dallas was April 1-3 last year, almost exactly a year ago. Dallas was one of the first big western tournaments were western players won and people really got excited. The scene has been shrinking steadily since the start of Q4 2011, I expect it to really shrink this year, as the Koreans dominate and more and more viewers stop caring.
You need to remember the growth last year was the western market, and without western players winning that growth will evaporate. A guy who wanted to watch people he could relate to win and play does not care at all about "good play" or the spirit of the game or whatever. They will not watch Korean dominated tournies, the numbers reflect this, the audience is shrinking, and the sponsors are nervous.
-Ban the best because there's too much of them. -Increase the frequency of foreigners playing in tournaments even if literally none of them will ever make it past Ro8 or so with the limitations.
Anybody even slightly inclined to siding with this type of mindset probably also thinks black people should be banned from basketball, hispanics/europeans from international football, and Canadians from hockey. Just putting this in perspective for how absolutely ridiculous and racist you people are being whether or not you are capable of realizing it (all the posts so far just make them look even worse for re-iterating their unbelievably biggoted way of thinking).
The very concept of competition means SOMEONE is going to be the underdog and its up to them to step up their game.
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
Where would the guys like Polt, Moon, Lyn, Cella fit? They "speak passable English", but they don't fit into "anyone but a Korean" criteria.
Only one I have heard of is Cella, he is a pretty cool guy and I would be invested in watching him win. As far as I know he hasn't been a contender in any recent tournies?
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way.
The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue.
There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene.
Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated.
Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call.
A guy who wanted to watch people he could relate to win and play does not care at all about "good play" or the spirit of the game or whatever. They will not watch Korean dominated tournies
I don't want to live on this planet with you anymore.
The problem with catering to the xenophobic masses is that their attention span is so very short. Maybe marketing this eSports thing to the fans with staying power - the ones who play the game and watch the proscene regardless of the ethnicity of competitors - is the right thing to do in the long run. Watering down the quality of the top tournaments won't miraculously revive the dying foreign scene. The greater the masses, the lower the level of intelligence. Do we really want a bunch of flimsy Korean haters who only watch while the players who are "anything but Korean" are winning? Or... do we just want the best player to win and to watch quality games?
I'm sorry, but anybody thinking the sky is the limit for eSports is being a delusional mofo.
Foreigners are probably just too lazy. Whatever I'm fine with all Korean tournaments with only 1 or 2 foreigners, because then there is another criteria after which I can decide whom to root for.
-Ban the best because there's too much of them. -Increase the frequency of foreigners playing in tournaments even if literally none of them will ever make it past Ro8 or so with the limitations.
Anybody even slightly inclined to siding with this type of mindset probably also thinks black people should be banned from basketball, hispanics/europeans from international football, and Canadians from hockey. Just putting this in perspective for how absolutely ridiculous and racist you people are being whether or not you are capable of realizing it (all the posts so far just make them look even worse for re-iterating their unbelievably biggoted way of thinking).
The very concept of competition means SOMEONE is going to be the underdog and its up to them to step up their game.
This.
Hell, ban Huk and Naniwa too. They are practicing in Korea, thats not fair with the other foreigners. Why dont we ban Stephano too? If he starts to win everything that wont be good, right?
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way.
The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue.
There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene.
Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated.
Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call.
A guy who wanted to watch people he could relate to win and play does not care at all about "good play" or the spirit of the game or whatever. They will not watch Korean dominated tournies
I don't want to live on this planet with you anymore.
Sorry you are offended by the facts of life, SC2 only got the massive viewer numbers and growth because it had Western players. Without them it is just SC1 again, which might be fine for many TL users, but it is a shame since it really had potential to spread e-sports
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way.
The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue.
There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene.
Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated.
Yea you're right SC2 is fucked, that's why it saw an enormous growth last year. Good call.
The scene has been shrinking steadily since the start of Q4 2011, I expect it to really shrink this year, as the Koreans dominate and more and more viewers stop caring.
Please link the statistics that you're basing this off of.
On April 11 2012 01:56 YodaGoneMad wrote: Funny I brought this up like a year ago when the Korean dominance started in MLG. Everyone called me racist and stupid and told me to GTFO.
Here we are, a year later, foreigners have been losing more and more and without the money to power the scene they just get worse and worse. Western players are quitting or not attending tournaments anymore while more and more Koreans take over everything.
For an average western viewer like me watching a tournament with all Koreans is not entertaining, and I won't bother. I don't care which of the top 17 Koreans win, so why bother watching?
Welcome to the decline of the SC2 scene, it will soon just be like SC again, totally Korean dominated with extremely limited interest in the Western world, because by and large we don't want to watch Koreans battle it out for money, we want to watch hometown heroes win at least some of the time.
Who are the "hometown heroes" for you?
Anyone I have heard of that speaks passable english. I remember very early in the scene when Naniwa swept the MLG, or when Idra won the first IPL, or when Huk has won events. That was extremely exciting, these were guys that could BE ME, I could relate, they were just normal guys that got good at the game and managed to win.
The short version I guess, is anyone but a Korean. I just don't care if Korean A or B or C or D wins. I don't know them, they don't speak my language, I don't relate to them, I will never be them (nor do I want to be). Obviously, I will never be Idra either, but there is that feeling that I COULD. It is basically sports psychology, you can google it and read up on it. It has been demonstrated thouroghly, people invest in players they can relate to. Why was Tim Tebow such a phenomenon? Because a big part of the public really related to his message and his faith. This is the same thing, I like SC2 players I can relate to, and that basically isn't Koreans.
I guess that's how you roll. Thankfully, not everyone feels the same way.
The mass market does, I said it a year ago and got the same response. Things have unfolded as I predicted so far, and I feel confident it will continue.
There are those people that relate to the Koreans, but they are not the Western mass market. Expect sponsors to drop, western tournaments to close, and viewer turnout to continue to decline as the Koreans cement their domination. Within a few years SC2 will just be SC1 with a new coat of paint and a dead western scene.
Mark down my post, I will see ya in a few years to remind you I was right. A real shame too, because early on it looked like SC2 might bring e-Sports to the Western masses, but that has pretty much evaporated.
I would be fine with that. If the western scene will not rise to the level of the Korean scene, they only have themselves to blame. As you mentioned this has already happened and people should've learned from it. The top Korean players won't throw games to placate a foreigner audience.
On April 11 2012 02:29 DarkLordOlli wrote: Most koreans train in a more professional environment, have a more professional attitude towards the game and their society actually encourages them to be good at gaming. I don't get why it's a problem. I wanna see the best games possible and I don't care whether they're korean or foreign.
^ This is exactly it. Korean pro teams have dedicated coaches than read up on upcoming opponents and mentor players on their style and special match-specific considerations. Furthermore, Korean teams have a very tight-knit and dedicated social network, which leaves them playing the best of the best constantly. Foreigners will practice with foreigners, and remain at a foreigner-level of competition, especially if they don't put in more hours. However, it's becoming easier to do that as more and more players and going to Korea, and many Koreans are getting traded to foreign teams. In an interview, viOlet even said he sometimes considers himself a foreigner, and he is the first of what will be many.
Although I believe the Foreigner v Korean dichotomy is an awesome storyline and good for the scene, I think this will fade and the two cultures, East and West, mesh more and more over the game.
What we should do is simply enjoy the high level of play. I wouldn't mind seeing a league like WCG where there are representative of each country, but the quality of games is far more important to me. Also by playing against Koreans our foreign heroes will improve faster than if they were to only practice against other foreigners.
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