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On April 10 2012 13:18 Azarkon wrote:
No international sport has that kind of system.
I know a few sports that do, however.
BW. Ping Pong. Tell me - are these international sports?
Wait, what professional individual sports league limits people by country? As said before, the World Cup and Olympics aren't professional sports leagues per se. Golf and Tennis have professional leagues.
And re: Scarlett, TerriousPrime is not a top tier player in terms of Korean pro-gamers. Very, very few fans can tell of any of his accomplishments. There is great value to having these types of players in an open bracket in a tournament. It didn't matter that it was the first round of the Open Bracket in terms of the acclaim Scarlett got; no # of Koreans in a tournament will stop foreigners from at least competing in the first round of an Open Bracket.
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Let me ask you this - does the US Open start with an entirely European line-up?
Heh, was IPL ALL koreans? NO! There are actually more US players in IPL compare with US Open in Tennis.
Out of the final 32, there were 5 US players.
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The obvious solution is to breed with them and assimilate their genes into out society.
Or just practicing as hard as them could be beneficial as well.
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just last week theres a thread on foreigner skill on par with korea. make up your mind.
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The Black dominance in the NBA. What to do?
Answer: Absolutely nothing. They're the best. Who the hell would watch the We-Cannot-Beat-Blacks-So-We-Formed-Our-Own-Basketball-Association Basketball Association (WCBBSWFOOBABA?).
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There are other strong players in foreign countries. Foreigners need to step up there game and work harder
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Not supporting OP. It would be idiotic just to take few good players instead of shitloads of great players. It makes the games more interesting. It is not Korean players fault that they train hard and have certain ambition, it clearly has been shown in the past events.
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I'm giving up here, the growth and popularity of MLG should be proof enough that foreigners want to see the best play on the big stage, and won't turn their backs if its Korean v Korean. I think its a myth that there is a large segment of the SC2 population that is hardcore enough to follow an IPL or MLG but not hardcore enough to know & root for the Korean players/GSL. If your watching IPL, then you already know who Nestea is.
People love Polt. People love Nestea. People love MKP. It goes on and on. Foreigners show their love for the Koreans at these tournaments. DRG? MC? Come on, are you saying the fans at these tournaments don't go bonkers when MC does something ridiculous?
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If the foreign SC2 scene dies (and ultimately the overall SC2 scene) dies because the majority of so called SC2 fans in actuality only support foreign players, then so be it, let it fail, it just means that perhaps the majority of the world is not ready for such a global integration. Integration is hard, it requires the abandonment of many traditional values, in favor of some strange, new ones. Not everyone is willing or capable of going down that path, and that cool.
If foreigners only want to root for other foreigners like some of posters suggest, I am sure they can find plenty of sports or other activities in which their respective country/culture/race dominates in. And of course I do not mean to imply that only foreigners feel this way, I am sure many Koreans watch SC because of their country's dominance in the game.
I can understand that people want to connect to players on a more personal level, hence they root for players from their own country or race, but please, don't make any more stupid posts about Koreans not having personalities. They have just as much personality as the rest of your heroes, its just that in your limited sphere of knowledge and experience, you are incapable of perceiving them.
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I find it funny that ppl use the "international" aspect of the tournament to hide the fact that they are bitter about being utterly dominated by Koreans. You dont have skill, you deserve none. Its that simple. Inferiority complex wont get you nowhere
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On April 10 2012 12:14 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 12:08 freakhill wrote:On April 10 2012 12:06 TAMinator wrote:
Nothing should be done, tis up to foreigners to step up, if they dont koreans can take the money. Simple as that. Not sure these sorts of topics warranted another 1000 threads. That won't happen anytime soon. What will you do when the foreign scene dies. Don't forget the KR scene is partially banking on the success of the foreign scene too. KR scene existed and will do fine without a massive foreign fanbase. If the "foreign scene" dies most of us will continue on with out lives, playing Sc2 and watching Koreans play Sc2. Select few foreigners who show a lot of potential may get the opportunity to play in Korea. Not the situation we have now where every GM from EU/NA thinks they are going pro.
Have you read the recent interview on BW Team 8 coach (Jaedong on SC2 yeaaah _o/!!). Have you followed Mr. Chae's interview and noted the efforts they put to touch the international community. Have you not noticed the wave of koreans hunting for foreign-teams? SC2 is not big in Korea, at all, and it needs all the help it can.
This is not BW. I do not know the inside trades but from the sign the public can get, the foreign scene is noticeably important to the KR scene. It's perhaps not critically important, but they do seem to be banking on the stuff, at least currently.
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My god there's a thread about this after every event. It bothers me, a ton. What should we do about it? Nothing. "We" should let the teams figure out how they want to run their events. As spectators, what power do "we" have? We shouldn't let other countries have players come over, why exactly? That's preposterous. Now complexity has a player they want to compete in a tournament that they've contracted, and they can't use him? Pfft!
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On April 10 2012 13:19 Dante_A_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 13:18 Azarkon wrote:
No international sport has that kind of system.
I know a few sports that do, however.
BW. Ping Pong. Tell me - are these international sports? Wait, what professional individual sports league limits people by country? As said before, the World Cup and Olympics aren't professional sports leagues per se. Golf and Tennis have professional leagues.
Which professional individual sports league has a skill skew so lopsided that were open qualifiers to be held across countries, the only players qualifying are going to be from the same country?
The very existence of an international professional individual sports league is contingent on there being viable talent across the entire world. Sports that do not fulfill this criteria do not receive this treatment, and are locally restricted.
SC 2 had viable talent across the entire world. But the way this is going, that's not going to continue, and when it discontinues, then SC 2 becomes BW - it becomes a localized sport.
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I enjoy the Koreans in foriegn tournaments, and it gives me a good idea where the rest of the world stakes up against them. I cheer just as hard for MKP and Squirtle as I do for Idra and Stephano. They should be allowed to compete wherever they want.
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There was recently a tournament announced which caters to the racial imbalance whiners:
The Starcraft II World Championship Series.
See, Blizzard has taken it upon themselves to sort out this Korean dominance matter. Basically, we'll get a tournament where champions from a number of regions will battle it out and, in the end, the Korean champion will probably win. I have foreseen it. An utterly predictable and uninteresting battle of a Korean superstar (or is it 2?) vs 30-something good foreigners and possibly no foreigner favourites due to the qualification rounds eliminating them.
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On April 10 2012 13:21 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
just last week theres a thread on foreigner skill on par with korea. make up your mind.
I was thinking about that thread as well and how ironic it seems now. Clearly Korean's are doing much better then foreigners currently. It seems after each major tournament there are these knee jerk reaction threads. Either the foreign seen will step it up or Korean's will dominate. Either way I'm happy to watch whoever wins.
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On April 10 2012 13:25 Flare23 wrote:
If the foreign SC2 scene dies (and ultimately the overall SC2 scene) dies because the majority of so called SC2 fans in actuality only support foreign players, then so be it, let it fail, it just means that perhaps the majority of the world is not ready for such a global integration. Integration is hard, it requires the abandonment of many traditional values, in favor of some strange, new ones. Not everyone is willing or capable of going down that path, and that cool.
If foreigners only want to root for other foreigners like some of posters suggest, I am sure they can find plenty of sports or other activities in which their respective country/culture/race dominates in. And of course I do not mean to imply that only foreigners feel this way, I am sure many Koreans watch SC because of their country's dominance in the game.
I can understand that people want to connect to players on a more personal level, hence they root for players from their own country or race, but please, don't make any more stupid posts about Koreans not having personalities. They have just as much personality as the rest of your heroes, its just that in your limited sphere of knowledge and experience, you are incapable of perceiving them.
There is no global integration.
BW was played professionally only in Korea. It was not an international sport. It was a Korean sport.
SC 2 is being played professionally across the world, but for how long? The death of the foreigner's scene is not a testament to the failure of global integration - all it shows is that only Koreans play SC professionally.
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On April 10 2012 13:15 Dante_A_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 13:09 Azarkon wrote:
Let me ask you this - does the US Open start with an entirely European line-up?
Essentially, yes. There are pretty much three notable Americans, and none are ever favorites do win anything. Since Roddick has fallen off from competing at a high level, its been a barrage of Murray/Nadal/Djokovic/Federer top 4s. People get excited to see these guys play each other, because it pits the best against the best. Just to back this up, heres a column on the 2011 US Open: http://www.theawl.com/2011/08/the-u-s-open-breaking-down-the-mens-bracketI'm American, and I've never met anyone who follows the US Major League Soccer. Literally, anyone. I have lots of friends who follow EU soccer leagues. People want to see the best. Are you arguing that the MLG events are less prestigious, less anticipated, less watched now than before the Koreans started coming? Can you point out an event that has actually suffered from too many Koreans?
What do you think would happen to the excitement surrounding and attention garnered by soccer in America if an American player where to change to one of the very best European teams - think Manchester United, Real Madrid or the like. What would happen to the media attention and broader interest? Why do you think that is?
To deny that humans are more interested in the success of people who are geographically and culturally close to themselves than to people who are not, is to deny reality. If foreign tournaments become Korean Open, the interest will shrink. Maybe not yours, you die-hard fans who argue on TL, but the interest in general. The quality of the games in itself doesn't matter. Did you not enjoy SC2 a year ago, when everyone were very bad compared to now? Do you somehow enjoy SC2 more today. Will you enjoy it more in a year, when the quality is even higher?
Sometimes I get the feeling that a lot of old BW-fans are breathing a sigh of relief that things are finally back to normal. The Korean players dominate, and all is like it used to be. "Now can we please get back to pro-league?"
Coming from a gaming community where we didn't experience this kind of dominance by a single culture, it's really strange to me that there is so little fight in so many for their community of players, that there is no loyalty to the players who play under the same conditions as they themselves do and that so many see no value in having a competitive foreign scene and players. Who rather prefer cheering the losses of foreign players with glee. What drives that mentality? I do not understand it.
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On April 10 2012 13:33 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 13:19 Dante_A_ wrote:On April 10 2012 13:18 Azarkon wrote:
No international sport has that kind of system.
I know a few sports that do, however.
BW. Ping Pong. Tell me - are these international sports? Wait, what professional individual sports league limits people by country? As said before, the World Cup and Olympics aren't professional sports leagues per se. Golf and Tennis have professional leagues. Which professional individual sports league has a skill skew so lopsided that were open qualifiers to be held across countries, the only players qualifying are going to be from the same country? The very existence of an international professional individual sports league is contingent on there being viable talent across the entire world. Sports that do not fulfill this criteria do not receive this treatment, and are locally restricted. SC 2 had viable talent across the entire world. But the way this is going, that's not going to continue, and when it discontinues, then SC 2 becomes BW - it becomes a localized sport.
Ping Pong
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All successful sports (no exception) is built upon a pyramid of geographically locked local to international competitive structures.
no exception
i have the gale to think such a thing would help sc2...
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