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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On April 10 2012 10:16 Azarkon wrote: In my opinion, sports have served as a proxy for competition between human groups from the dawn of time. This being your basis, I think you're wrong considering tennis (from the other thread) isn't about Serbia vs Spain. It's about Nadal vs Djokovic. | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:12 Leeoku wrote: thats a dumb logic. like league of legends, moscow 5 was banned for being too pro so they cant make abuncha tournies. u cant neglect skill /hard work Wait are you serious? Can you send me links? | ||
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omgimonfire15
United States233 Posts
The lesser of the reasons is environment. I do not mean utilities such as food and housing, I mean an environment that can allow players to draw out their full potential. We need really good coaches to help players analyze games and keep their morale up. We need a better network, so that if Idra wants to practice with Stephano, they can do so easily. At the IPL, we had MC helping Nestea. DRG said he practiced with MC for the GSL finals. MVP apparently practices with DRG a lot as well. MMA to a lesser extent borrows builds and discusses them with Thorazin. We need this kind of closeness with the foreign community. There are definitely problems, such as timezones and distance. All the korean players are together in one city pretty much. The second major problem, and the bigger one in my opinion, is culture. Videogaming is not accepted in our society, so the people who could become the greatest players do not even consider the option. The tallest man in the world is (or used to be, I dunno) in China. If he trained from childhood, I bet he could have been a great basketball player. But he didn't. Because when he grew up, basketball wasn't even a major part of China's culture. Why are certain countries better at certain sports? Because the sports are a bigger part of their culture, so more people are exposed to it. Then a higher number of people with potential step forth. Not to be racist, but I am sure that if African countries picked up american football to the degree we have, they would be a dominant force of american football in the world. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:08 freakhill wrote: That won't happen anytime soon. What will you do when the foreign scene dies. Don't forget the KR scene is partially banking on the success of the foreign scene too. KR scene existed and will do fine without a massive foreign fanbase. If the "foreign scene" dies most of us will continue on with out lives, playing Sc2 and watching Koreans play Sc2. Select few foreigners who show a lot of potential may get the opportunity to play in Korea. Not the situation we have now where every GM from EU/NA thinks they are going pro. | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
As a Tournament organizer? DON'T cater to cheap ways to increase viewership. DO cater to skill, and only skill. DON'T ever taint the sanctity of competition. As a player? Catch up with Koreans, but as much as I'd like that to happen, I have abandoned hope after IPL4. So I discard this possibility. If everyone do that for a while, and let the dust clear, the true Starcraft 2 scene will emerge. NOT the bubble created by the novelty of the game, but the TRUE supporters of this e-sport. And then we will see either: 1. People look past the race/nationality/color of skin of a player and are attracted by the high-level play and amazing feats of human mind and dexterity, and the scene stagnates where it is now, or even grows. That would be the optimal scenario for me. 2. People can't cheer for Koreans no matter how much better they are compared to foreigners, because allegedly Koreans lack "personality", or something, and the international SC2 fanbase shrinks to what BW fanbase is now, consisting of few people here and there that actually like high-level Starcraft. That would be sad, but still ok. There will be fewer tournaments, fewer fans, fewer money, fewer everything, BUT I will still support SC2 scene and be glad everything I see is legitly built on sweat and blood of players striving for the best. Now, if Tournaments start banning players according to race/nationality, and/or starts forgoing qualifiers in favor of invite-fan-favorites system, then that's the day I stop supporting SC2 and demand dropping the "e-sports" tag. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
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AcrosstheSky
United States237 Posts
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:03 freakhill wrote: Because it deals with an important question that has been up to debate for some time, and for which no definitive answer has been found, or acted upon until now. It is disappointing you still didn't notice. Really? An important question? I don't think so, I think it's overblown. On April 10 2012 12:16 nokz88 wrote: What to do? You mean as a viewer? Absolutely nothing. Just keep watching when/who you like, and have a good time, because in the end, that's what it comes down to. As a Tournament organizer? DON'T cater to cheap ways to increase viewership. DO cater to skill, and only skill. DON'T ever taint the sanctity of competition. As a player? Catch up with Koreans, but as much as I'd like that to happen, I have abandoned hope after IPL4. So I discard this possibility. If everyone do that for a while, and let the dust clear, the true Starcraft 2 scene will emerge. NOT the bubble created by the novelty of the game, but the TRUE supporters of this e-sport. And then we will see either: 1. People look past the race/nationality/color of skin of a player and be attracted by the high-level play and amazing feats of human mind and dexterity, and the scene will stagnate where it is now, or even grow. That would be the optimal scenario for me. 2. People can't cheer for Koreans no matter how much better they are compared to foreigners, because allegedly Koreans lack "personality", or something, and the international SC2 fanbase shrinks to what BW fanbase is now, consisting of few people here and there that actually like high-level Starcraft. That would be sad, but still ok. There will be fewer tournaments, fewer fans, fewer money, fewer everything, BUT I will still support SC2 scene and be glad everything I see is legitly built on sweat and blood of players striving for the best. Now, if Tournaments start banning players according to race/nationality, and/or starts forgoing qualifiers in favor of invite-fan-favorites system, then that's the day I stop supporting SC2 and demand dropping the "e-sports" tag. Agreed. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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Taefox
1533 Posts
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NtsenG
Canada35 Posts
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-Exalt-
United States972 Posts
IMO this is also why IdrA has fell off the charts. When he was in korea full time he was in Code S, but now he just practices on NA ladder and with (sorry) not top notch teammates on the NA server. Meanwhile, players like ST Squirtle are constantly playing against code s players on the GM ladder. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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sickle
New Zealand656 Posts
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xxgeffxx
United States119 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
The Korean dominance in recent events. What to do? Accept the fact that SC2 will never be mainstream and Koreans will always be better so you may as well enjoy the game for the sake of the game instead of rooting for a flag. | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:09 Azarkon wrote: Koreans taking top 5 in a tournament is better for viewers than them taking top 16 for the simple reason that foreigner fans want to see their champions compete against the best. Actually, the evidence in this thread is that only a handful of people want to limit Koreans, and an avalanche of people want to see the best play the best, no restrictions. You've got to justify or bring some sort of evidence to back up your statements. This thread is a good piece of evidence against you, and you have provided none. I have seem almost solely positive feedback regarding the switch from MLG to having first some Koreans, then to more and more. Americans seem to love having the top Koreans come over and play on their stages. Where are you getting the idea that Americans would rather root for Americans?! | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Ouroborosian
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