EPTThe Koreans are not the problem, Foreign "pros" that can't even hold a candle up to Code B Koreans are the problems.
The Korean dominance in recent events. What to do? - Page 16
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ref4
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The Koreans are not the problem, Foreign "pros" that can't even hold a candle up to Code B Koreans are the problems. | ||
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:06 yawnoC wrote: Foreigners just need to work harder and stop making excuses. End of story. this^^ seriously, just more work. When will they learn! | ||
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Argolis
Canada211 Posts
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On April 10 2012 10:11 murkk wrote: People in NA and EUR are kinda wierd. We tend to like getting paid when we work. Generally more than 25 cents an hour. Cool. Stop playing SC then. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On April 10 2012 10:02 murkk wrote: Not happening any time soon. You've seen the best of the foreign players already, and there are zero players that will emerge in the next little while. The names you see right now are really just older names from the initial batch of SC1 and WC3 converts. There are players like Illusion who could be amazing. He's rapidly improving, even beating some big name Koreans at MLG, while most foreign pros are either at a peak or declining. The thing is, he's on Vile (nothing against Vile, this could apply to many other players/teams) who doesn't have the funds for a team house, paid trips to Korea, partnership with Korean teams, etc. Imagine how good him and other young talents would be if they had the same support as EG players... | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
Limiting the number of spots isn't enough if foreigners don't start working harder. I don't really care though, I enjoy koreans winning. They work the hardest, they deserve to win. | ||
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
I think it might be happening already. It would be good if some started to look in the long term towards what his good for the scene. We need to foster local talents, that requires geographically locked leagues, as for ANY other sport in the world. (Btw, if you didn't notice GSL and all of the BW KR scene are geographically locked by virtue of being lans). There aren't many kids picking up the game. Some guy said earlier something in the lines of "don't you think there are millions of 14-15 eu or na kids that could be as good as maru", to that i must answer just no... There are around 200000players in NA, and the playerbase is pretty much much more diluted in age and space (age is only my hypothesis due to BW still going strong in KR). We have many many players on this forum saying "I am the only one of my local circle that still plays SC2". That is what is happening. Please people, heads out of the ***, then take a deep breath. Think about what could make people play, and get interested in SC2. There are oozes of worthy activities outside there, and there needs to be something to make starcraft stick out of the bunch! Some emotional connection! Think of the something that could make LoL into the huge thing it is, easy to pick up game that you can play with FRIENDS. SC2 being mainly 1v1 I think local leagues going into regionals and national leagues (for the rise of local champions) could help alleviate this problem. It's no good to be in a contracting market, sponsors have a tendency to not like that... | ||
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beamingrobot
United States685 Posts
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I agree with this guy. If you want to win, maybe people should get better at the game. NA needs to step it up a notch to get better. Or we need cross server play, so the Koreans can knock us all down to the leagues we really belong in. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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freakhill
Japan463 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:06 TAMinator wrote: Nothing should be done, tis up to foreigners to step up, if they dont koreans can take the money. Simple as that. Not sure these sorts of topics warranted another 1000 threads. That won't happen anytime soon. What will you do when the foreign scene dies. Don't forget the KR scene is partially banking on the success of the foreign scene too. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On April 10 2012 11:52 mordk wrote: 5 from korea isn't gonna stop the domination. They'll just take top 5 instead of Top 16 Limiting the number of spots isn't enough if foreigners don't start working harder. I don't really care though, I enjoy koreans winning. They work the hardest, they deserve to win. Koreans taking top 5 in a tournament is better for viewers than them taking top 16 for the simple reason that foreigner fans want to see their champions compete against the best. Losing honorably is better than being unseen. In IPL 4, other than Stephano, White-Ra, IdrA, and Scarlett, foreigner champions received next to no air time. HuK, SaSe, and Illusion all made daring runs in the OBs, but none of it was streamed because IPL 4 focused on pool play and no foreigner made it into pool play but those who were seeded. But this isn't an issue with IPL alone. The way tournaments are seeded right now, soon enough there is going to be no foreigners in pools. This means that you are going to get tournaments where, from the first day to the last day of the tournament, not a single foreigner game is going to be shown. At that stage, SC 2 becomes BW and the scene loses its ability to attract sponsors and viewers outside of the hardcore niche. Read my post above for why that is the death of SC 2 as an eSport. | ||
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Lennient
497 Posts
Also, i feel bad for those who enjoy the players more than the games. | ||
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Yip12343
120 Posts
How many Foreigners that don't live in a practice house have a strict practice plan and solid amount of games per day(good games). Not TONS of them. Foreigners have it better than Koreans when it comes to salaries. The Koreans have a never give up attitude, they get money through tournaments us foreigners get money more than that. This thread is pretty stupid imo because Koreans just work harder, and those foreigners you see doing well vs Koreans have a good practice regime. Improvement is among those who work hard. This game doesn't reward laziness. | ||
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Horseballs
United States721 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:09 Azarkon wrote: Koreans taking top 5 in a tournament is better for viewers than them taking top 16 for the simple reason that foreigner fans want to see their champions compete against the best. Losing honorably is better than being unseen. In IPL 4, other than Stephano, White-Ra, IdrA, and Scarlett, foreigner champions received next to no air time. HuK, SaSe, and Illusion all made daring runs in the OBs, but none of it was streamed because IPL 4 focused on pool play and no foreigner made it into pool play but those who were seeded. But this isn't an issue with IPL alone. The way tournaments are seeded right now, soon enough there is going to be no foreigners in pools. This means that you are going to get tournaments where, from the first day to the last day of the tournament, not a single foreigner game is going to be shown. At that stage, SC 2 becomes BW and the scene loses its ability to attract sponsors and viewers outside of the hardcore niche. Read my post above for why that is the death of eSports. I'd rather watch a tournament without foreigners than a tournament with a bunch of foreigners seeded in as fodder for the Koreans. Spots should be earned, I have no preference for a player's nationality. If you cannot support the scene without crappy players from the west, then let the western scene die out. There is no reason to force it to limp along. | ||
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Leeoku
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On April 10 2012 12:03 freakhill wrote: Because it deals with an important question that has been up to debate for some time, and for which no definitive answer has been found, or acted upon until now. It is disappointing you still didn't notice. Did you just claim that a definitive answer has been found? And that this definitive answer can be found in this thread but not the dozens of other threads covering the exact same topic? Please tell us what this new definitive answer is. | ||
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Existential
Australia2107 Posts
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