EPTSending "only" MarineKing, MMA, and DRG to foreign events will still have those players in the top 3 spots 95% of the time, and one of them will be in the top 3 spots 100% of the time.
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Sending "only" MarineKing, MMA, and DRG to foreign events will still have those players in the top 3 spots 95% of the time, and one of them will be in the top 3 spots 100% of the time. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:28 tranmillitary wrote: My final take on this issue. Watching nestea talking to MC while being down 2-0 to squirtle... and coming up with 2 great strategies to tie up the series... this is great. 3 hatch slow lings? These are the things that Idra/stephano or any foreigner will never do. Watching stephano and idra play is so bland. I'm not bashing them but this is how every game idra/stephano goes: 3 hatch macro up and try to drone up to 80, if someone pushes around 9 mins, make roaches and try to hold off, lings/banes/roaches til BL's, than BL's, infestors, queens. Every single game. People seriously want to see that every game? We need the best stars of the world to showcase their skills. Just like MMA vs stephano... 5 prong attacks with 4 manner sensor towers in the same area. manner mules to block off stephano's troops that are running home. Why watch jump shooting players when you can see dunking?? Well, if what you want is all-ins, nestea is your man! | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:36 Zzoram wrote: I think it's funny that people think limiting tournaments to only 5 Koreans would actually make foreigners win. The fact is, top Koreans are likely to win any event, no matter how many other Koreans they do or do not have to fight through. Sending "only" MarineKing, MMA, and DRG to foreign events will still have those players in the top 3 spots 95% of the time, and one of them will be in the top 3 spots 100% of the time. I guess MLG should just pay everyone who signs up. That will help E-sports grow | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:37 SupLilSon wrote: I guess MLG should just pay everyone who signs up to compete. That will help E-sports grow | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:15 ghrur wrote: So let me get this correctly, people like FairForever like watching foreigners more than Koreans, so they generalize this across to those of us (seems like the MAJORITY) who just watch for the skill of the game involved and say ESPORTS WILL DIE GUIZZZZZ! when we say foreigners should just get better because we want to watch the best games possible. This leads to more whining when the best solution is honestly just get better and practice more? Right... Foreigners suck guys. Read the old Rekrul threads. They're still true. They just need to get better. Huk, Stephano, Naniwa, etc. have shown they can compete with the best. Just practice more. I actually prefer watching Koreans. But I'm also a realist. None of my friends who play SC2 know who Creator, Squirtle, Jjakji are (of course they can name MKP, Boxer, Nestea). And that's not healthy if most casuals don't care. | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
I don't understand your bias against the Koreans; why are you more interested in watching foreigners play? During a game its not like they are talking. So there must be some outside reason to like foreigners more, is it the post-game interviews? I don't get it. Is it some nationalistic attitude? You want to cheer for people from your specific country? | ||
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Dante_A_
United States161 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:38 FairForever wrote: I actually prefer watching Koreans. But I'm also a realist. None of my friends who play SC2 know who Creator, Squirtle, Jjakji are (of course they can name MKP, Boxer, Nestea). And that's not healthy if most casuals don't care. What players do they know of? And why do they know of them instead of the top Koreans? Whenever I show anyone SC2 its always a big tournament (GSL, MLG, IPL, etc.), and the finalists of these tournaments are mostly Koreans. So actually my casual friends are more likely to know who MKP/Nestea are than most foreigners. I'm just curious how the casual fan gets to know certain players and not others. The top tournaments are full of Koreans, so these casual fans must be watching smaller tournaments (Playhems?), or watching streams or something? | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:38 FairForever wrote: I actually prefer watching Koreans. But I'm also a realist. None of my friends who play SC2 know who Creator, Squirtle, Jjakji are (of course they can name MKP, Boxer, Nestea). And that's not healthy if most casuals don't care. What do they even watch then? My casual friend doesn`t know foreigner pros just the same. | ||
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tranmillitary
210 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:37 m0ck wrote: Well, if what you want is all-ins, nestea is your man! Yeah because all Nestea can do is All-ins. Shows how much you know about SC2 and e-sports in general. Too many kids on this forum. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
on a fun note, break dance crew "Project Seoul/Korea" was banned from competitions after they swept one competition after another. it was a bboy crew made up of top korean break dancers. (maybe rumor but i've heard otherwise) | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
What do you think is the easiest server? NA | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Open brackets ensure the best players, not the most famous players, get into the final stages of tournaments. Puma won NASL S1 out of nowhere. Naniwa won MLG out of nowhere. Leenock won Providence out of nowhere. Inviting just means has-been "famous" foreign players like Idra waste precious spots in every foreign event when more promising players could be EARNING their way into tournaments. North America can't seem to discover new talent because all the tournaments here are using invites instead of qualification. GSL has the best talent and is the toughest competition in the world because other than foreigner seeds, it's all based on qualifying. The Code A qualifiying process is grueling but it ensures that anyone who survives will be worthy of the tournament. We need a tournament structure that fills the vast majority, if not ALL tournament slots with qualified players from an open bracket, we need those brackets to be in every region, and we need the winners to get a paid flight+hotel so that undiscovered talent without a team can make a splash. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
Oh that's right, that would make the competition a completely invalid joke. Cmon now. E-Sports are a true meritocracy. Skill will get you to the top. Nothing else matters. In games like basketball, if you were born short, you are screwed. So they are a meritocracy, but genetics do play a part. Why would you want to eliminate the best aspect of E-Sports? That's asinine. And besides, this is Starcraft 2, a game where mechanics have become easier and all ins and coin-flippy builds that much stronger. This gives foreigners a huge advantage that never existed in BW. If you really want foreigners to win, then let's keep dumbing down SC2 until it really does become a game of rock paper scissors Perhaps the computer can execute builds for you, and you get to select them from a dropdown list that you prepopulate ahead of time. But oh that's right, that would again make the competition a completely invalid joke. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
The increasing presence of Korean players on Foreign teams will allow foreign players to learn how they practice and how they play and the overall skill gap SHOULD eventually lessen. The motivation for Korean players moving over to foreign teams is rather basic, foreign teams can offer them better financial compensation. | ||
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ssi.bal-listic
United States568 Posts
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:38 FairForever wrote: I actually prefer watching Koreans. But I'm also a realist. None of my friends who play SC2 know who Creator, Squirtle, Jjakji are (of course they can name MKP, Boxer, Nestea). And that's not healthy if most casuals don't care. You're not a realist. You're a biased person using anecdotal evidence to try and convince me in a zero-information system. Great. I have casual friends who play SC2 and don't care about Idra or Huk but prefer to watch high level play from Nestea, MMA, or MKP. Nothing you say makes you more of a realist than me, but how about some data? I'm pretty sure IPL had 60k viewers at least despite the Korean dominance. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
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Uracil
Germany422 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:51 liberal wrote: Isn't the solution just for foreigner's to practice more? Not just more, but they need to practice more effectively. Some foreigners seem like they just don't know how to improve their weaknesses. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:52 Zzoram wrote: Not just more, but they need to practice more effectively. Some foreigners seem like they just don't know how to improve their weaknesses. Of course. I mean, I know golds who claim to practice every day  | ||
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