EPTThe Korean dominance in recent events. What to do? - Page 13
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Macabre
United States1262 Posts
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
They're not the best in EU/NA They cant speak a single word of korean let alone discuss with korean pros They will just hang out with foreigners all day in the GOM house and play the Korean ladder Do they think its the air or water that makes them so good? You can play from home with a slight delay on the korean server instead of wasting a few grand on having your team fly you over there | ||
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tiaz
Sweden231 Posts
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MVega
763 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
The only other thing i can think of is to get a more competitive scene.. that means from bottom up players have to play more.. but how are you going to get that? that would more be blizzard's thing to somehow get more people to play more seriously and not shy away , get bored and/or get frustrated with the game and stop playing it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
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1sz2sz3sz
Andorra173 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:23 Mohdoo wrote: Perhaps if the Korean pros didn't do everything in their power to conspire against foreigners, we'd have games where it isn't obvious that the Korean knew exactly what the foreigner was doing. When was the last GSL match where it wasn't obvious Naniwa's opponent knew what build he was gonna use? oh my god he studied his opponent and asked other players about his style how UNFAIR | ||
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wwowz
Canada156 Posts
Korean players don't have the "gene" or "natural skills" for starcraft. It's just that they play a lot and dedicate their entier career to it. For e.g. a typical starcraft pro in korea would play 12-14 hours per day + group discussion within the groups + in house competition. In such condition, it is very hard to fall behind. My point is, we shouldn't blame Koreans for dominating the tournies but instead we should criticize foreign players. Hence, we do not and should not make any restrictions on such issue. | ||
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:23 Mohdoo wrote: Perhaps if the Korean pros didn't do everything in their power to conspire against foreigners, we'd have games where it isn't obvious that the Korean knew exactly what the foreigner was doing. When was the last GSL match where it wasn't obvious Naniwa's opponent knew what build he was gonna use? This is wishful thinking on Naniwa's part. His xenophobia and paranoia is destroying him. | ||
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kinglemon
Germany199 Posts
On April 10 2012 08:53 tranmillitary wrote: Ask yourself this question, if you put up 100 000 dollars of your own money, u would want TT1 and incontrol to play in the round robin over Nestea and MKP? No one is gonna pay money to watch TT1 or incontrol play a close game. People will pay just to watch Nestea or MKP. Take some business courses people. It's easy as cash flow/stability. how about people wanting to see idra versus cruncher in an american final for the american crown compared to some random koreans that are only better players. take some business courses right ? and the national scene, especially in america, don't really has a chance to build and grow itself if the only place to win some money and pride are the tournament slaughterfests we have right now. On April 10 2012 08:49 epik640x wrote: Why is Brazil so good at soccer? There is a history and culture. Passion and a foundation of development for youth and a deeper understanding throughout the entire system as well as the positive outlook from the rest of society. Nobody asks why are they good when they do well or try to get them banned? They're just good and you enjoy the beautiful game. This sort of constant whining about a nation displaying such dominance is really pathetic. your argument is pathetic. brazil only comes every 4 years to compete for the title and to show their skills. in starcraft brazil is coming every 2 weeks to demolish everybody. | ||
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tranmillitary
210 Posts
3 hatch macro up and try to drone up to 80, if someone pushes around 9 mins, make roaches and try to hold off, lings/banes/roaches til BL's, than BL's, infestors, queens. Every single game. People seriously want to see that every game? We need the best stars of the world to showcase their skills. Just like MMA vs stephano... 5 prong attacks with 4 manner sensor towers in the same area. manner mules to block off stephano's troops that are running home. Why watch jump shooting players when you can see dunking?? | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On April 10 2012 07:43 KaptenCulpa wrote: On competition that comes to mind is the olympic games where there are restriction on how many players each country can have in diffrent events. I mean Canada could probably qualify 3 hockey teams if the where allowed to. I have no problems with koreans winning every tournament. The best players should win. But i don't think turning international events in to Korean nationals is a good idea. Send the Korean top players to international events and kick some ass. I love to have them at international events. But just because 90 of the 100 best players in the world are Korean doesn't mean that all international competitions should have that composition of nationalities. like i said, there were more foreign participants in mlg/ipl but koreans came up top. you're suggesting artificially manipulating the regulations to allow fewer koreans, hence lower chance of them dominating all the top spots. the problem is (as example), 10 koreans out of 100 players are placing top 8, you want to fix this...how? if you want to regulate koreans to just 5 players so if they do go on top, they can dominate only 5 spots, what will you do with 80%(made up) american participants? | ||
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wwowz
Canada156 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:23 Mohdoo wrote: Perhaps if the Korean pros didn't do everything in their power to conspire against foreigners, we'd have games where it isn't obvious that the Korean knew exactly what the foreigner was doing. When was the last GSL match where it wasn't obvious Naniwa's opponent knew what build he was gonna use? Foreign players should do that too then. Why not? | ||
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i)awn
United States189 Posts
Still, however, it's vital to have a good diversity of players in international tournaments, at the end of the day it's an international tournament. Regarding how to get more foreigners in tournaments, it's not about working "harder", those players are already working very hard, I don't think the Koreans are working harder and the rest of the world is lazier or something. ESports in general is way more popular in Korea, especially starcraft. We need to promote e-sports and sc2 more in the rest of the world and make them more popular. When we achieve that, we'll see more "foreigners" in tournaments. | ||
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
A lot of it lies with foreign players unwillingness to sacrifice. It's not like Koreans are rich bastards paying for fancy mansions and steaks every night for dinner. They manage because they're willing to sacrifice a lot. Few of them are going to school, most of them share rooms with about 4 other people and they do nothing else but play. They pool together whatever resources they have, pitch their plight to sponsors and use that money to buy ramen and small apartments. But there's also the geographical factor. There needs to be a centralized location in the US/EU that runs tournaments like the GSL. It has to be somewhere with cheap living and an Arena nearby so players all have a place to set up camp. With a place like that, and people willing to move there, live off ramen in small apartments while not having to pay a fuckton on plane tickets to get to the event, just maybe people will have the will to get better. Neither of these two areas have anything to do with Koreans coming over and winning international tournaments. Players aren't going to suddenly start pooling together resources, living together and practicing if they can just get by placing high in tournaments that restrict the amount of really good players. Instead you're asking for low level tournaments with bad play because players are content with being incompetent. | ||
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Bart
494 Posts
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jax1
Sweden35 Posts
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:28 wwowz wrote: Foreign players should do that too then. Why not? Oh look. Koreans have the same sense of nationalistic pride that those who want to see them limited have. How ironic. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:23 Mohdoo wrote: Perhaps if the Korean pros didn't do everything in their power to conspire against foreigners, we'd have games where it isn't obvious that the Korean knew exactly what the foreigner was doing. When was the last GSL match where it wasn't obvious Naniwa's opponent knew what build he was gonna use? So among being good Koreans also commit the high felony crime of WORKING TOGETHER? Maybe if foreigners did that instead of mindlessly ladder grind they might actually get somewhere in tournaments. | ||
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