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Would be really interested to see someone get this going. I have a couple of mates who don't really have time for starcraft so we sit in bronze - gold leagues and very rarely play. And even then we don't play 1v1 much because it's totally about you and you alone, but team leagues would make me interested in 1v1 again.
@PlacidPanda: And no. I would totally play a decently formed and moderated league without prize money. Are you telling me there are bronze - gold players out there that expect prize money? You're crazy and you should feel crazy =P
Interest can easily be maintained in a well moderated league. FPS clans do it all the time, a large number of FPS tournaments go without prizes. And by god, there's a bunch of passionate pokemon players out there that run tonnes of tournaments and I don't think I've seen one throw money at it. Just as some examples.
EDIT: Be much cooler if starcraft had this intergrated. Or if it was run by Team Liquid itself hehe
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The all kill format is the stupidest idea ever for a bronze-gold team league, the skill differential will be huge.
I'm in anyways!
zefreak.290
Silver
Terran
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I have to agree with zefreak above me. The all-kill style would not work for this kind of tournament. You'll just get teams loaded up with Golds and Bronze and Silver folks who are on other teams would just get destroyed. PL style is the way to do it with each rank getting their own match every series.
I'd love to help out. PM in your box if you'd like Admin help!
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On April 03 2012 10:54 bittman wrote:
@PlacidPanda: And no. I would totally play a decently formed and moderated league without prize money. Are you telling me there are bronze - gold players out there that expect prize money? You're crazy and you should feel crazy =P
EDIT: Be much cooler if starcraft had this intergrated. Or if it was run by Team Liquid itself hehe
I know it sounds crazy but honestly, not that many BSG players maintain interest long enough for them to play out a teamleague. Trust me i've been part of several plat and below ones and at the end of the day only a few of the plats were around. Also the problem of league promotion is a major issue as well. If it could be run by TL that would be great! because the real problem is that there is no accountability and no shall we say punishment for just dropping out. Dont get me wrong, i want you guys to succeed but with your current plan it just isn't feasible. GL though! 
p.s. KESPA format not all kill, it completely breaks the game trust me.
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I'd totally be down.
Skorbnut.441
NA Gold
Terran
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An All-Kill format works great when the players on the team are roughly the same skill level. Because you're looking at a large skill gap between bronze and gold, and an even larger skill gap between these players and any smurfs, it's far more equitable to use the proleague format.
With that aside stream the games if you end up getting this going, i'm sure it would be fun to watch.
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Although I voted for an all-kill after reviewing some of the arguments pro league would be much better. Each player should have to face the other team's player that is in the same league as himself. This would make for more balanced match-ups.
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Nelra.219
Gold
Zerg
Eu Server
Sign me up!:D
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all kill kinda fun lol, but anyhow id be up for the idea, im in no team tho, on us.
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I'm in.
Kiastu (186)
Gold
Zerg
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In the interest of keeping this thread and idea alive I'm going to ask some organizational questions:
What kind of time frame are we looking at for this league? Is it something where the teams practice for 2 weeks and there is a tournament, or is it every week, or even longer between tournaments?
What would the season look like? All year? Summer? Winter?
How would we get the word out beyond the handful of people in this thread?
Would we consider the possibility of streaming it and getting some casters to give the players more of a feel of competing for real (for lack of a better way to say that)?
Those are just some questions I was thinking about. Hopefully this sparks some discussion. I think I said earlier that I will be more available at the end of April as school lets out for me, at that point I'm way more open to helping out organize this. Feel free to hit me up in game if you are wanting to discuss with me anything to do with this.
Also I'm trying my best to keep an up to date spreadsheet of everyone's ID, League, and Race who is interested and has posted in this thread.
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The way I envision it is a double elim tournament with one match played a week. Teams would have all week to set up and finish their matches, and if players do not play then they are disqualified. I think a week is a pretty reasonable time frame to ensure that all matches are done. Tentatively I would like to start around mid April or early May at the latest, and then the tournament would take 8 weeks to run. We'll worry about what happens in season 2 after season 1 has started to pick up steam.
Right now I'm looking at this as a one off fun thing that the people in this tournament will enjoy, and stuff like publicity and casting don't really enter into the equation yet. If anyone wants to cast any of these games either live or on a replay, that would be awesome, but I don't see the point in worrying about any of this until we get enough players to actually have a first season. I'll have a preliminary rule set made up by the end of the day tomorrow if that will help assuage fears that this is a circle jerk.
As much as I love the all-kill format, it seems like it might be a logistical nightmare. I'm not terribly concerned about the skill gap, especially since we could easily just say each team must put out players in order of league (since most naysayers are suggesting we match league with league in the other style anyway), but the uncertainty about when one plays would cause a lot more DQs than necessary. Maybe we could have teams decide before the match which style they would rather prefer playing, and if they cannot come to an agreement we play proleague style. Not saying that will happen, just putting it out there.
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im down.
scipio.690
Silver
Any Race (Protoss main)
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I like your plan Reed, and just keep it to what we think is most logical to start off the season, all-kill not best option but fun none the less.
I will add my contact info when i get back from class lol (I havent played placement, last time i think it was plat lol idk), probably gold though. If i dont qualify i will help in anyway i can tho.
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Hello, I love all the intrest in this teamleague. If anyone want to take over the thread with more organizing skills and writing skills then me, for the community it would be better to have someone experienced with stuff like this so the players have less stress because someone like me having terrible organizing or something, just pm me if interested.
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I think most of all it would be pretty cool to have this league as a regular thing, with seasons and relatively stable team rosters, so people could create bonds and rivalries. I've also proposed to create team logos and banners for everyone, so each team can have its identity. As for the format, I think the all-kill format is the best in creating storylines and excitement, though a proleague format would also be cool for showcasing each team's members.
I'm gonna try to organize some ideas that are bouncing in my head:
1. Stability
- Tournaments have fixed schedules and are relatively quick (I'm guessing 4-6 weeks per season if we're talking about 8 teams)
- Fixed number of players for each team; fixed number of possible player transactions between seasons (imagine if a team would have 10 players you could only drop/acquire up to 5 players in between seasons)
2. Teams identification
- Designated logos for each team comprising of colors and symbols chosen by the team
- Specific colors in-game for each team (like if a team chooses a logo with red, they would always play as the red player in the matches)
3. League format
- First stage: two groups of 4 teams, each group has matches in the GSL Code S format (5 matches instead of the 6 for a round robin)
- Second stage: the top two teams from each group go into a Ro4 bracket
4. Match format
- Bo6 all-kill format; if it goes to match 7 we'll have a Bo3 ace match (I think this format allows for the storylines of an all-kill format while creating new stories about individual players rivalries)
I maybe will make some graphics to better illustrate my idea, but for the time being what do you guys think?
EDIT: I made a graph to illustrate everything I wrote:
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This sounds really fun! I'm quite excited about the idea of this!
GlintFox.945
Silver
Zerg
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On April 04 2012 08:19 howLiN wrote:
I think most of all it would be pretty cool to have this league as a regular thing, with seasons and relatively stable team rosters, so people could create bonds and rivalries. I've also proposed to create team logos and banners for everyone, so each team can have its identity. As for the format, I think the all-kill format is the best in creating storylines and excitement, though a proleague format would also be cool for showcasing each team's members.
I'm gonna try to organize some ideas that are bouncing in my head:
1. Stability
- Tournaments have fixed schedules and are relatively quick (I'm guessing 4-6 weeks per season if we're talking about 8 teams)
- Fixed number of players for each team; fixed number of possible player transactions between seasons (imagine if a team would have 10 players you could only drop/acquire up to 5 players in between seasons)
2. Teams identification
- Designated logos for each team comprising of colors and symbols chosen by the team
- Specific colors in-game for each team (like if a team chooses a logo with red, they would always play as the red player in the matches)
3. League format
- First stage: two groups of 4 teams, each group has matches in the GSL Code S format (5 matches instead of the 6 for a round robin)
- Second stage: the top two teams from each group go into a Ro4 bracket
4. Match format
- Bo6 all-kill format; if it goes to match 7 we'll have a Bo3 ace match (I think this format allows for the storylines of an all-kill format while creating new stories about individual players rivalries)
I maybe will make some graphics to better illustrate my idea, but for the time being what do you guys think?
I like 1 and 2, but i would rather have it something like proleague where every team play eachother 2 times so it creates a dynamic feeling.
All-kill in this type of tournament is not a good idea imo, the gold players would just dominate everyone.
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@On April 04 2012 08:19 howLiN wrote:
I think most of all it would be pretty cool to have this league as a regular thing, with seasons and relatively stable team rosters, so people could create bonds and rivalries. I've also proposed to create team logos and banners for everyone, so each team can have its identity. As for the format, I think the all-kill format is the best in creating storylines and excitement, though a proleague format would also be cool for showcasing each team's members.
I'm gonna try to organize some ideas that are bouncing in my head:
1. Stability
- Tournaments have fixed schedules and are relatively quick (I'm guessing 4-6 weeks per season if we're talking about 8 teams)
- Fixed number of players for each team; fixed number of possible player transactions between seasons (imagine if a team would have 10 players you could only drop/acquire up to 5 players in between seasons)
2. Teams identification
- Designated logos for each team comprising of colors and symbols chosen by the team
- Specific colors in-game for each team (like if a team chooses a logo with red, they would always play as the red player in the matches)
3. League format
- First stage: two groups of 4 teams, each group has matches in the GSL Code S format (5 matches instead of the 6 for a round robin)
- Second stage: the top two teams from each group go into a Ro4 bracket
4. Match format
- Bo6 all-kill format; if it goes to match 7 we'll have a Bo3 ace match (I think this format allows for the storylines of an all-kill format while creating new stories about individual players rivalries)
I maybe will make some graphics to better illustrate my idea, but for the time being what do you guys think?
I absolutely love your idea for team colors. It's a small cosmetic thing, but I would love so much to see my big pink wrecking ball team leave all the other inferior colors strewn about like trash in our wake.
About stability, I think that's a pretty solid time frame (my estimate is 5 weeks per). Assuming this gets going, each team's captain can choose let's say 2 others to stay on their team, and then others go into a draft. Captains can step down if they want to switch teams.
I'm not sold on your league format, since a team having 3 potential matches in a week could be tough to work around. I guess I'm not entirely clear on your idea for an all-kill format with ace match, and I'm also not a fan of a system that can leave 2 players out without playing anything (again, I may be misunderstanding you).
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