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RainSunShowers
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BlazeTSR
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Reedjr
United States228 Posts
Character code League Race Once we have gauged support we can figure out how many teams we can put together. I will assume everyone has the time/effort to put into being a team captain, so if you don't want that pressure, say "I don't want to be a captain" anywhere in your post. I don't think this will be a particularly time consuming position, but I do want to be able to say "I told you so" at a later date. Conversely, if you do want to be a captain, give a reason or two why: "I have awesome team naming abilities" or "I think I'm better other people and would vaguely like to prove that on the internet." EmoMcHipster 640 Gold Protoss | ||
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Zrana
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sLBoGoRoH
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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figq
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I assumed "Bo7+Ace" means Bo7 in which the last (7th) game is Ace, so the team may elect one of the previously played members to fight again. That usually makes it so that the Ace is truly epic, facing often the best of each of the two teams against each other. | ||
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United States45 Posts
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United States175 Posts
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Ballnazor
Sweden22 Posts
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RainSunShowers
Norway152 Posts
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Reedjr
United States228 Posts
As far as format, I prefer all-kill. It's really hard to say what the skill gap is going to be quite yet, but I just feel that format provides for more excitement. Sure, your bronzie might get taken out 9 times out of 10 he goes against a goldie, but that one time he pulls it out will be amazing. But before we can define that, we need players, so we can figure out how many/how big teams are. I think the goal right now should be 8 teams of 5 players, with a league based draft (teams must draft one player from each league before they can draft another from the same league). | ||
darthdiddy
United States3 Posts
anglosaxon 172 silver (hopefully gold before season 7 :D) protoss. | ||
freakhill
Japan463 Posts
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pure7anarchy
United States2 Posts
Anarchy Bronze Zerg! | ||
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United States1899 Posts
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milodon
Chile42 Posts
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Ollie
United States144 Posts
I'll edit this post with my information once I get home. Juno (739) Gold Zerg | ||
PeanutsNJam
United States175 Posts
High gold players Silver/bronze players who think they're actually good enough to be in high gold, but are kept down by micro/cheese For the sake of esports, do pro league man. Also, look into anti-smurfing stuff, like keeping an eye out for similar hotkey/apm. | ||
steelcurtain09
United States87 Posts
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Reedjr
United States228 Posts
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
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MasianMario
United States8 Posts
On March 31 2012 00:55 steelcurtain09 wrote: I also love this idea. But i'm not eligible to participate cuz i'm plat/almost diamond. I think this should be extended and divided up to make more leagues and over a wider range. For example, a bronze/silver league, gold/plat league, and diamond league | ||
Robo-boogey
Australia110 Posts
My reference point is the tennis & table tennis I played for many years. If every tennis game I played was against a random person I would never see again, then it wouldn't have been that much fun. The format I'm used to from tennis & table tennis is along the lines of: -- teams of 4 or 8 -- each team is ranked -- say, 2 singles & 1 doubles -- of your 2 singles, say you are no 3 in your team, then you will play the other team's no 3 in one singles, and the other team's no 4 in the other singles This is a great way of managing the different skill levels within a team. It doesn't handle if one team's set of players is just much stronger than another - but you can have different groups / leagues / divisions / whatever for that. A standard approach is to have a 'grading' period for 4 or so weeks, and then the teams get separated out. I am not so sure about an all-kill format, as a decent gold leaguer could just run through 5 bronzies in a row no problem. That format could make it very un-fun for the worst player in each team. A format which allows the matches to be pre-set would be best. Different people might be available at different times, ideally things can be setup so that players know their matches, and have a certain time window in which to play them. I'm in SEA (I can connect to NA if there is no SEA). If I like the format, then I'd like to join, and if I join then I'm happy to help organise. RoboBoogie.779 Silver Zerg | ||
Robo-boogey
Australia110 Posts
On April 01 2012 10:59 MasianMario wrote: Yeah, I think you need to extend the league range because the people in higher leagues would be more likely to sign up for this because they probably are more into the game. I'm plat so as of right now I wouldn't be able to join, but I agree with what steelcurtain09 had to say. Agreed, the challenge will be to have a format where all skill levels are welcome, and all skill levels can have fun. | ||
Reedjr
United States228 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
As for the format, I'm torn on both ways. I personally like the all-kill format better than the Pro League format, but to ensure that lower leagued players will be fielded I also like the Pro League format so certain rounds could be sort of like designated Bronze rounds. I'll have to maybe think on a unique format more because this does seem like such a fun idea. Dasende.347 Gold // Protoss NA Server | ||
kofee
United States18 Posts
Kofee (832) silver zerg | ||
Crackensan
United States479 Posts
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DangerAl
Australia88 Posts
I'm DangerAl.839 Gold Terran | ||
Dr.SchoKo
Germany3 Posts
DrSchoKo 157 Gold Zerg | ||
BogusBart
Canada24 Posts
eXaBogusBart #231 Gold Terran | ||
shadow_orc
Canada52 Posts
gold terran im interested | ||
trickery
United States37 Posts
tricky (265) Gold Protoss | ||
Reedjr
United States228 Posts
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IBeyond
United States1 Post
Beyond (835) Silver? Terran | ||
PlacidPanda
United States246 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
@PlacidPanda: And no. I would totally play a decently formed and moderated league without prize money. Are you telling me there are bronze - gold players out there that expect prize money? You're crazy and you should feel crazy =P Interest can easily be maintained in a well moderated league. FPS clans do it all the time, a large number of FPS tournaments go without prizes. And by god, there's a bunch of passionate pokemon players out there that run tonnes of tournaments and I don't think I've seen one throw money at it. Just as some examples. EDIT: Be much cooler if starcraft had this intergrated. Or if it was run by Team Liquid itself hehe | ||
zefreak
United States2731 Posts
I'm in anyways! zefreak.290 Silver Terran | ||
Treetop
United States140 Posts
I'd love to help out. PM in your box if you'd like Admin help! | ||
PlacidPanda
United States246 Posts
On April 03 2012 10:54 bittman wrote: @PlacidPanda: And no. I would totally play a decently formed and moderated league without prize money. Are you telling me there are bronze - gold players out there that expect prize money? You're crazy and you should feel crazy =P EDIT: Be much cooler if starcraft had this intergrated. Or if it was run by Team Liquid itself hehe I know it sounds crazy but honestly, not that many BSG players maintain interest long enough for them to play out a teamleague. Trust me i've been part of several plat and below ones and at the end of the day only a few of the plats were around. Also the problem of league promotion is a major issue as well. If it could be run by TL that would be great! because the real problem is that there is no accountability and no shall we say punishment for just dropping out. Dont get me wrong, i want you guys to succeed but with your current plan it just isn't feasible. GL though! ![]() p.s. KESPA format not all kill, it completely breaks the game trust me. | ||
Skorbnut
United States20 Posts
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Oceaniax
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With that aside stream the games if you end up getting this going, i'm sure it would be fun to watch. | ||
Shivvy
Canada37 Posts
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arleeN
United Kingdom2 Posts
Gold Zerg Eu Server Sign me up!:D | ||
Hellbinn
United States8 Posts
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Kiastu
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darthdiddy
United States3 Posts
What kind of time frame are we looking at for this league? Is it something where the teams practice for 2 weeks and there is a tournament, or is it every week, or even longer between tournaments? What would the season look like? All year? Summer? Winter? How would we get the word out beyond the handful of people in this thread? Would we consider the possibility of streaming it and getting some casters to give the players more of a feel of competing for real (for lack of a better way to say that)? Those are just some questions I was thinking about. Hopefully this sparks some discussion. I think I said earlier that I will be more available at the end of April as school lets out for me, at that point I'm way more open to helping out organize this. Feel free to hit me up in game if you are wanting to discuss with me anything to do with this. Also I'm trying my best to keep an up to date spreadsheet of everyone's ID, League, and Race who is interested and has posted in this thread. | ||
Reedjr
United States228 Posts
Right now I'm looking at this as a one off fun thing that the people in this tournament will enjoy, and stuff like publicity and casting don't really enter into the equation yet. If anyone wants to cast any of these games either live or on a replay, that would be awesome, but I don't see the point in worrying about any of this until we get enough players to actually have a first season. I'll have a preliminary rule set made up by the end of the day tomorrow if that will help assuage fears that this is a circle jerk. As much as I love the all-kill format, it seems like it might be a logistical nightmare. I'm not terribly concerned about the skill gap, especially since we could easily just say each team must put out players in order of league (since most naysayers are suggesting we match league with league in the other style anyway), but the uncertainty about when one plays would cause a lot more DQs than necessary. Maybe we could have teams decide before the match which style they would rather prefer playing, and if they cannot come to an agreement we play proleague style. Not saying that will happen, just putting it out there. | ||
ScipioAfricanus
United States11 Posts
scipio.690 Silver Any Race (Protoss main) | ||
Hellbinn
United States8 Posts
I will add my contact info when i get back from class lol (I havent played placement, last time i think it was plat lol idk), probably gold though. If i dont qualify i will help in anyway i can tho. | ||
RainSunShowers
Norway152 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
I'm gonna try to organize some ideas that are bouncing in my head: 1. Stability - Tournaments have fixed schedules and are relatively quick (I'm guessing 4-6 weeks per season if we're talking about 8 teams) - Fixed number of players for each team; fixed number of possible player transactions between seasons (imagine if a team would have 10 players you could only drop/acquire up to 5 players in between seasons) 2. Teams identification - Designated logos for each team comprising of colors and symbols chosen by the team - Specific colors in-game for each team (like if a team chooses a logo with red, they would always play as the red player in the matches) 3. League format - First stage: two groups of 4 teams, each group has matches in the GSL Code S format (5 matches instead of the 6 for a round robin) - Second stage: the top two teams from each group go into a Ro4 bracket 4. Match format - Bo6 all-kill format; if it goes to match 7 we'll have a Bo3 ace match (I think this format allows for the storylines of an all-kill format while creating new stories about individual players rivalries) I maybe will make some graphics to better illustrate my idea, but for the time being what do you guys think? EDIT: I made a graph to illustrate everything I wrote: + Show Spoiler + ![]() | ||
GlintFox
United States275 Posts
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Smoot
United States128 Posts
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RainSunShowers
Norway152 Posts
On April 04 2012 08:19 howLiN wrote: I think most of all it would be pretty cool to have this league as a regular thing, with seasons and relatively stable team rosters, so people could create bonds and rivalries. I've also proposed to create team logos and banners for everyone, so each team can have its identity. As for the format, I think the all-kill format is the best in creating storylines and excitement, though a proleague format would also be cool for showcasing each team's members. I'm gonna try to organize some ideas that are bouncing in my head: 1. Stability - Tournaments have fixed schedules and are relatively quick (I'm guessing 4-6 weeks per season if we're talking about 8 teams) - Fixed number of players for each team; fixed number of possible player transactions between seasons (imagine if a team would have 10 players you could only drop/acquire up to 5 players in between seasons) 2. Teams identification - Designated logos for each team comprising of colors and symbols chosen by the team - Specific colors in-game for each team (like if a team chooses a logo with red, they would always play as the red player in the matches) 3. League format - First stage: two groups of 4 teams, each group has matches in the GSL Code S format (5 matches instead of the 6 for a round robin) - Second stage: the top two teams from each group go into a Ro4 bracket 4. Match format - Bo6 all-kill format; if it goes to match 7 we'll have a Bo3 ace match (I think this format allows for the storylines of an all-kill format while creating new stories about individual players rivalries) I maybe will make some graphics to better illustrate my idea, but for the time being what do you guys think? I like 1 and 2, but i would rather have it something like proleague where every team play eachother 2 times so it creates a dynamic feeling. All-kill in this type of tournament is not a good idea imo, the gold players would just dominate everyone. | ||
Reedjr
United States228 Posts
On April 04 2012 08:19 howLiN wrote: I think most of all it would be pretty cool to have this league as a regular thing, with seasons and relatively stable team rosters, so people could create bonds and rivalries. I've also proposed to create team logos and banners for everyone, so each team can have its identity. As for the format, I think the all-kill format is the best in creating storylines and excitement, though a proleague format would also be cool for showcasing each team's members. I'm gonna try to organize some ideas that are bouncing in my head: 1. Stability - Tournaments have fixed schedules and are relatively quick (I'm guessing 4-6 weeks per season if we're talking about 8 teams) - Fixed number of players for each team; fixed number of possible player transactions between seasons (imagine if a team would have 10 players you could only drop/acquire up to 5 players in between seasons) 2. Teams identification - Designated logos for each team comprising of colors and symbols chosen by the team - Specific colors in-game for each team (like if a team chooses a logo with red, they would always play as the red player in the matches) 3. League format - First stage: two groups of 4 teams, each group has matches in the GSL Code S format (5 matches instead of the 6 for a round robin) - Second stage: the top two teams from each group go into a Ro4 bracket 4. Match format - Bo6 all-kill format; if it goes to match 7 we'll have a Bo3 ace match (I think this format allows for the storylines of an all-kill format while creating new stories about individual players rivalries) I maybe will make some graphics to better illustrate my idea, but for the time being what do you guys think? I absolutely love your idea for team colors. It's a small cosmetic thing, but I would love so much to see my big pink wrecking ball team leave all the other inferior colors strewn about like trash in our wake. About stability, I think that's a pretty solid time frame (my estimate is 5 weeks per). Assuming this gets going, each team's captain can choose let's say 2 others to stay on their team, and then others go into a draft. Captains can step down if they want to switch teams. I'm not sold on your league format, since a team having 3 potential matches in a week could be tough to work around. I guess I'm not entirely clear on your idea for an all-kill format with ace match, and I'm also not a fan of a system that can leave 2 players out without playing anything (again, I may be misunderstanding you). | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![]() Please give your suggestions. I'm not entirely sold on my own match format, but I think the league format is pretty solid and feasable for its time frame. | ||
shadow_orc
Canada52 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
@Reedjr: With the league format I made each team would play at most 2 times in a week, and that's if they go to the 5th match in the groups stages. My workaround of the problem of having a match format that can potentially leave out players (i.e. all-kill) is to have a minimum of players from each league, which I think would make the matches less punishable for the lower leagues. @shadow_orc: even if a team sends out its best player (i.e. gold) there's always the chance the other team sends out their best player to try to snipe him, and if the gold players go out first, the silver and bronze players have also a chance of going in if it's a bo7 format. But yes, I can see some problems arising from that. I'm gonna see other options. | ||
Reedjr
United States228 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Teams: 8 teams of 5 players each, with a waiting list of players in case of dropouts or inactivity. Player draft: Captains for the first season are made by simply calling dibs on captain (note: dibs on captain) and dibs on a color (note: dibs on pink). Remaining players are placed into draft based upon league, with teams picking bronze first, then silver, then gold. Alternative: first season teams are randomized with leagues in mind. Based on 5 person teams, we would likely have 1 bronze and then 2 each of silver and gold per team. Format: Double elimination bracket BO5. Seeding will be randomized. Each match is BO3 and must be matched by league in the other team. 1 week is granted for each round to ensure all games are played. This ensures each player plays each week, with the winner’s bracket team getting a bye in the week of the loser bracket finals. Finals would keep this format. Alternative: teams can opt for an all-kill format for their round, which must be agreed upon by both teams. In this instance, each match is BO1. Map Pool: Season 7 map pool. Each player gets 3 vetos which are given to the opponent before the match. Loser picks next map. First map should always be… (This is subject to change) Daybreak? For clarification: Cloud Kingdom LE Korhal Compund LE Antiga Shipyard Entombed Valley Metalopolis Shakuras Plateau Tal'Darim Altar Daybreak LE Metropolis LE Ohana LE Disqualification: If a player does not play his match during a given week, he is disqualified and immediately replaced by someone on the waiting list (in the same league, so teams don’t encourage/force their lower level players out). Players will have free reign to define when during the week they can play, and DQ decisions will be based upon which player skips out on the defined time. In order to prove this, players should make match times in the thread or via PM, both of which can be verified. If both players in a match DQ, the round goes into an ace match. In Game rules: 1: No cheating (i.e. map hacks, having teammates tell you what opponent is doing, what have you). This is just for fun, why would you do that? 2: BM is allowable, but no slurs or physical threats. Basically, if it’s even a temp-bannable offense by Blizzard, don’t do it in game. A bit of smack talk can be fun, but it cannot go too far. Good Manners, however, are always encouraged! 3: Violations of the first two rules will result in a DQ. 4: Other team members observing is encouraged. Just don’t use it to tell the players what the opponent is doing. If you lag and you aren’t a player, just get out before they ask you to. 5: Dropping games shall result in a re-game unless if both parties agree that one player had a significant advantage. Disputes will go to me, with a full replay and a brief message on why player X was winning or why it should be a regame. About this, again, don’t be a dick, if your opponent drops after a 40 minute game and it’s 20 supply to 150, don’t dispute the win. Be a good sport and use common sense. This is supposed to be for fun, dammit. If I have missed anything or you have other suggestions, please let me know! Again, this is my proposal, so it is hardly set in stone. | ||
AHMED1234
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I'm in TheMightyCow - 282 US Goldz Zerg | ||
CptBeefheart
United States45 Posts
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Chasian18
United States38 Posts
Ingame name: PAYBACKchas.199 Gold Protoss baller ![]() We were just talking about how we hoped this could happen. Hope the plans go through. We would like to stay together. (we're all on US) Cheers | ||
LosZergs
United States100 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
I like the idea of having a fixed system where it's predefined which players from which leagues are gonna play. But if it's bo5 I would do something like Silver - Bronze - Gold - Silver - Gold in the order of the matches, because not only you will have a match from each rank (even if it goes 3-0), but also you can have an escalating quality of games and intensity in the match. I don't like the idea of a double elimination bracket, because then that's not exactly a league, it's a tournament. I think a league should at least have a round robin of some kind before any type of bracket. As for the map pool I think that's the best choice, people in lower leagues don't exactly have the means of practicing in maps that are not in the ladder. Btw, I think we're gonna need to have a NA league and a EU league. | ||
Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
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NoRage
Finland2 Posts
NoRage.765 Gold Protoss EU Server | ||
Giku
Netherlands368 Posts
JaKsZero.230 Gold Random EU | ||
MaximusT
United States126 Posts
I agree with howLiN about non-random teams. Cuz I have friends that I play with and we would be interested in forming a team and participating. Well anyway, I'm in. Maximus.255 Bronze possibly silver soon yay :/ Terran NA | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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HurrDurrrrPWNs
United Kingdom18 Posts
Silver Terran EU Would like to play some competitive games other than playhem. :D | ||
pStar
996 Posts
For example, (assuming 2Golds, 2SIlvers And 1Bonze) Gold <> Gold Silver <> SIlver Bronze <> Bronze Gold <> Gold Silver <> Silver Ace <> Ace Its unfair to ask bronze level player to play against golds. This way makes it more fun for everyone. | ||
Robo-boogey
Australia110 Posts
On April 04 2012 09:28 howLiN wrote: I made a graph to illustrate everything I wrote, here it comes: + Show Spoiler + ![]() Please give your suggestions. I'm not entirely sold on my own match format, but I think the league format is pretty solid and feasable for its time frame. Thanks for the nice chart! In general, I like it. 1 match per week I assume, 6-8 weeks is a nice length. When balancing teams, we're not going to show up in teams already, perhaps we can just assign players to teams so they are roughly equal. I wouldn't worry too much about how the player movement happens between seasons. But definitely not all-kill. IMO players in each team are ranked, order them for matches to avoid gold vs bronze followed by bronze vs gold. (* what pStar just said.) I don't think there will be an SEA league...are there enough SEA nominees to make an SEA team in the NA league? Let's get this started! | ||
RedBlargh
99 Posts
RedFolly.630 Silver Terran NA Server | ||
MaximusT
United States126 Posts
I would rather form a team of 2 bronze, 2 silver, and 1 gold with four of my friends than 4 randoms with the aforementioned specifications on ranks and such. I want to participate for the fun of playing with my friends. And not all-kill. Like I said, just my opinion on this matter. | ||
anonymitylol
Canada4477 Posts
Bronze vs Bronze Silver vs Silver Gold vs Gold Platinum vs Platinum Ace Match if needed: Diamond vs Diamond To let everybody play who isn't necessarily competitive, but wants to play in a team league ![]() | ||
Ballnazor
Sweden22 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
Some general changes I made include change of the match format from a bo7 all-kill to a bo5 Proleague style with fixed rank matches (no cross-ranked matches); seasons now have 9 weeks, and the group stage is a big round robin in Proleague style, instead of two groups in Code S style. Please tell me what you think, it's of utmost importance that you guys agree with the league format where you'll be playing! + Show Spoiler + ![]() @Ballnazor and @MaximusT: I think that people that want to play together in their team will be prioritized over teams made from random players. It's funnier for the players, and it's easier for the organizers (I can imagine it can be a lot harder to deal with a random team than with a team with people that already know each other). @anonimitylol: That's what I'm proposing with this new graph, see if you like it! | ||
NoRage
Finland2 Posts
1. Is it bo5 every set in a match, for example: set 1 (silver) Mark > Robert 3-2 or is it the one who wins the first map? I would prefer bo5 every set so we get some more matches than 1 per week only. 2. Bo7 ace match instead of bo5 so it could get like two bronze, two silvers and two golds versus each other and then an ace match if needed, but that's just my thoughts, and then again you have to have a minimum of 6 players a team. Otherwise does the leaguesystem look really good, and I like the Round Robin style. | ||
Falconpauunch
Korea (South)59 Posts
Falconpaunch Character Code: 231 Silver NA Please pm details about actual sign up too | ||
RainSunShowers
Norway152 Posts
On April 04 2012 23:50 Ballnazor wrote: Do we have to randomize the teams? I have a bunch of friends that would love to play this with eachother I guess if you just sign everyone up in one post, just that you add their TL names too so we could contact them if needed. Tonight when I get home I will sort the US, EU and SEA players and see if a server has enough players. If someone could be the organizer of the US or SEA server it would be great. | ||
ChubbyDelicious
United States20 Posts
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Insomniac22
United States907 Posts
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tossuaway
United States107 Posts
edit- I know that many want to do this with there friends on their team. This would be awesome and fun but would require that these prebuilt teams show up. With random teams, theres no no show issues. However if we could just get a select few teams that really were committed. (even 4 teams of 3) we could really grow as teams and friends, and really develop intense and fun rivalries with other teams. More commitment, more fun! | ||
shadow_orc
Canada52 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 05 2012 00:49 NoRage wrote: @howLIN This system seems more then alright, I would say, some things I wondered still. 1. Is it bo5 every set in a match, for example: set 1 (silver) Mark > Robert 3-2 or is it the one who wins the first map? I would prefer bo5 every set so we get some more matches than 1 per week only. 2. Bo7 ace match instead of bo5 so it could get like two bronze, two silvers and two golds versus each other and then an ace match if needed, but that's just my thoughts, and then again you have to have a minimum of 6 players a team. Otherwise does the leaguesystem look really good, and I like the Round Robin style. When I made that I was thinking about the logistics of it, and how it could be very time consuming for the teams of an amateur league if I started to add more games to everything. I agree that it's not the most perfect system, I personally would also like to have more games for everyone, but you have to consider that it can become a heavy toll for a team to organize itself to play more games, not to mention for the organizers to run the whole thing in their spare time. I made every regular set a bo1, and the ace set a bo3. I can see how it can seem that they're not playing many games, but I have to remind you that every week there would be four matches between the teams, with a minimum of 3 games per team and a maximum of 8 games, which makes a possible total of 32 games per weekend that have to be played, reported, verified, filed, organized, distributed and publicized in a weekend. That can be very hard to run without hiccups, and I'd rather have the league run without any problems at first than to make a bigger system than we can handle and mess it up. The bo7 as a system for team matches carries the same problem, with the addition of the teams having to deal with more players, which can create exponentially more problems for the teams. I'm certainly willing to change it, but I think we should start simple to see how it goes, and then move up if we can do it. I think that for a start, the amount of games is fine, and if it's clear that we can handle more games than before, then I see no problem in expanding the number of games played. I just don't really want to make this heavier than we can handle, especially for the amateur teams where it can be hard to manage everyone at the same time. On April 05 2012 01:07 tossuaway wrote: This sounds like a lot of fun. However realize that this is quite an undertaking. I would love to help out and organize the US server. Rather than negotiation a time that works between predetermined teams, it would be easier to simple have a set day each week or month or bi weekly or whatever time interval works that on each Saturday, at 2:30 EST, we have everyone who wants to participate that day meet in a chat room. Then there's no worry about no shows or working times out, you are there, or you are not there. Then just to make it fair, just do random teams. You can show up with your friends and maybe face them later in the tournament. I think every other saturday at 2:30 EST would work well for the US Server. for 8 teams of 5 it'll take 40 players, which is possible. But dropping it down to smaller teams may be needed if not enough players show up. Feel free to pm me anytime, thanks. I was thinking in rather than establish a fixed date and time, teams would have a time span (say, between saturday and sunday) to play their matches, and would have to report the results and send the replays up until sunday midnight. It would give the teams much more leverage to play their games in something that it's their spare time. I don't know how that would work between teams in terms of choosing a date and time, though. | ||
Campanda
United States1 Post
We are all on the NA server Campanda.451 Gold Terran KHAN.132 Silver Zerg Milky.135 Silver Zerg | ||
WarEagle
United States130 Posts
A lot of you may be interested in that. | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
Ksquared 535 Gold Protoss | ||
Kovaz
Canada233 Posts
1) Proleague format is probably best. It distributes play time the most evenly so everyone gets the chance to play. I think Ace match would also add to the excitement as well. 2) If there's concern about teams being too strong or too weak, you could have a points system where a gold is 3 points, silver is 2 points, and bronze is 1 point, and have a point limit for your lineup for a particular match. For example, Bo5 could have a limit of 11 points, so you have to play some bronze and silver players. 3) Match up weaker players with weaker players and stronger with stronger. It'll be more fun for everyone if you get to play people close to your skill level. This avoids a situation where matches depend entirely on who matches up with who, rather than who's playing better on that day. For example, if we have 1 gold and 1 bronze vs 1 gold and 1 bronze, the match should almost always be 1-1 if each gold plays the corresponding bronze, with both games being very one-sided. If we play the gold vs. gold and bronze vs. bronze, it could swing either way and both games are more meaningful. The way I would try to organize this is to have teams rank their players before each match, with higher league being the first criteria (so a gold is always higher than a bronze), and then have best vs. best, 2nd best vs. 2nd best, and so on. Hope you guys have fun, tourneys/leagues are always a blast. | ||
coppuh
United States9 Posts
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ScienceNotBusiness
United States91 Posts
Gold Random ID: Leave Code: 262 | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
![]() Edit: Just read post again, if a team wants me to help a bit - I can do so contact me in-game Name: Cinimidrak character code: 864 Diamond zerg player | ||
Joshuawesome
United States57 Posts
Joshuawesome.729 Gold Protoss | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
Gold Zerg | ||
PlacidPanda
United States246 Posts
UCPlacidPnda 764 Protoss | ||
jabberwockzerg
United States294 Posts
JabbeRWocK.688 Bronze (T_T) Zerg | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
Also, as some people did not specify region there are bound to be errors. So I'll try to verify the current names through sc2ranks and see if there are any discrepancies. ![]() Feel free to edit it as you wish/make prettier/add your name in/ etc. LINK: TL.net BSG Team League Roster | ||
Mingle
United Kingdom26 Posts
EU - Mingle.400 Zerg / Protoss Gold NA - Wiz.556 Zerg / Protoss Gold | ||
WarEagle
United States130 Posts
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WeedRa
Germany815 Posts
![]() EU WeedRa#465 Protoss - Silver | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
Going through the list again! | ||
intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Kraidio
China133 Posts
US BomberMelon #248 Terran - Gold | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 05 2012 08:26 Mingle wrote: Would so do this! EU - Mingle.400 Zerg / Protoss Gold NA - Wiz.556 Zerg / Protoss Gold You put your IDs into the Terran column though you specified Zerg/Protoss. I moved them into the Zerg column (in their respective regions) but wanted to just let you know in case I am mistaken. | ||
MepHiii
Poland191 Posts
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WarEagle
United States130 Posts
On April 05 2012 08:58 MepHiii wrote: indeed a proleague with forced same league opponents would make the most sense. i'd also be up for coaching some EU Team (i' m diamond) if people Would like that I agree that the proleague is best for the lower leagues, but at the same time, it makes it harder for teams to form. Because as of now, there are little to no BSG teams, so most have to come from scratch. However, once clans catch on at this level, most of those bronze league team members will quickly rise the ranks to silver, gold and beyond, just through having practice partners. This is one of the main reasons I started sc2clans.org. | ||
RainSunShowers
Norway152 Posts
I will update the op soon with the graphs howLIN was kind enough to make, and I will make it more organized and will try to have organized everyone willing to help organize. ![]() It is awesome that this dream came alive btw, it motivates me and probbably others to play to get better for the team. | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 05 2012 09:07 RainSunShowers wrote: Oh lol, forgot to put myself in there, Im PanDa on EU if anyone are wondrering. I will update the op soon with the graphs howLIN was kind enough to make, and I will make it more organized and will try to have organized everyone willing to help organize. ![]() It is awesome that this dream came alive btw, it motivates me and probbably others to play to get better for the team. Not many EU people makes me sad panda though.... *dodges tomatoes* | ||
Reedjr
United States228 Posts
Oh, and if people prefer to be kept together on a team, that's no problem. Should make the whole thing easier anyhow! | ||
LosZergs
United States100 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:16 LosZergs wrote: The name is very misleading but I'm toss :-) LOL! That you are... Oh boy, a rather odd oversight of mine. | ||
WhatNameSo
United States90 Posts
EnderFrigins 711 Protoss GOLD NA | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
@coppuh: Please read the newest graph, I wrote that if a player gets promoted in the middle of a season he still plays in the previous rank matches, and at the end of the season the team has to adapt to that change in order to maintain the bronze-to-silver-to-gold ratio. @Cinim: You bring an interesting idea in the form of team coaches. I think that's absolutely fine as long as they don't play in the league itself. @RainSunShowers: please add just the latest graph, as I think it's the most consensual and it's a revision of the previous graph, so the first graph is obsolete ![]() | ||
bittman
Australia8759 Posts
Where are the teams? =P Are you to arrange them from the list of people who are signing up, or should people be arranging teams / coming in with an arranged team? Or am I missing something? haha | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 05 2012 10:40 bittman wrote: Uhh just had a look over the graph and people signing up, and sorry if this is a silly question but: Where are the teams? =P Are you to arrange them from the list of people who are signing up, or should people be arranging teams / coming in with an arranged team? Or am I missing something? haha If you have a team already, feel free to sign up with a team. You or I can denote that on the sheet otherwise there will be team captains and they will pick from the pool essentially. So at this current time there are no set teams per sè | ||
Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
NA Pantagruel (413) Silver Terran | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
~Potential Formats Proleague Players are matched based off of skill (Bronze v Bronze, Silver v S.) Potentially played with an ace match, where teams choose a player to play a final match against each other, ending a close series. Pros: Teams can have a large variance in skill, and still allow players to compete. Teams get to serve as player hotspots for improvement. Everyone gets to play at least one match. =) Internal competition for the ace spot. Probably closest to a real "team" feel. Players can have a timeframe of when their matches are played. Cons: Teams with imbalanced player skill across the spectrum can lead to "worse" teams winning. Organization of matches is slightly harder than all-kill format. Currently has less support in TL.net poll. All-Kill Teams send out a list of players, and players go at it in gladitorial-like combat, staying in the ring until they are bested. Potentially played with an ace match, where teams choose a player to play a final match against each other, ending a close series. Pros:There is overall more potential for epic players to emerge and dominate a match. DRGGGGGG~~ Matches are easier to organize, compared to all-kill format. Encourages teams to develop stronger players. Cons: One player can potentially carry an entire team. Development of players is more important than development of teams as a whole. Personally, I lean towards more proleague format, as it would allow actual teams to be a bit of a bigger deal. I don't know, the whole idea of all-kill just seems a little meh to me. Either Bo5 or Bo7. Going to have to depend on team size. I like the idea of ace match, and I think season one should include it. *******League Breakdown******* BoX Double Elimination, with Bo9 + Ace Finals? League Management establishes parameters for teams to follow; IE, must have two team officers (one captain, another co-captain) Must have two bronze, two silver, two gold, etc. Something like this is probably necessary with such a large skill gap. League randomly creates bracket until teams begin to consistently perform. ~~~challonge.com~~~~ Management announces bracket and gives deadlines for matches. It is up to teams to schedule matches between captains, any disputes are passed up to management. Results are announced to management and replays are enclosed in an email sent no later than the previously announced deadline. In regards to no-shows, after half-hour has passed, team captain PM's management with written agreement from other captain to time including opposing captain + co-captain Bnet ID and code. After 45 minutes, bye is given and no-show is given loss. *******Where to Host it******** Management can use TL for first season, afterwards, they should probably look into external hosting alternatives, but we'll see based off of first season interest. ![]() | ||
daxis
United States3 Posts
daxis 205 gold random i can be a team captain | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 05 2012 11:20 Ksquared wrote: I personally think the pro league would be a lot better for a thing like this. It's pretty well established (I thought) we were doing the pro league format anyway. I liked howlin's chart thingy for the overall format. EDIT: I feel odd using "we" ... I'm not an organizer or helper or anything for this thing.. v.v but the "collective" has agreed on pro league as the best format for this I thought. | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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daxis
United States3 Posts
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Reedjr
United States228 Posts
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Volamel
United States52 Posts
Volamel 757 Edit: oops, for got to add stuff. -Diamond -NA -Zerg | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
@Reed Hey guys, sent you both PMs with my work on the thread/teamleague. Hit me up. ![]() | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
Personally, I prefer the double elim style but the round robin ensures that all teams will play games every week. | ||
lol_Robot
United States66 Posts
MaestroXC.921 NA Silver Zerg | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
As for the league format, I don't really agree with a double elimination bracket, because it's a system that excludes teams from the season early on, and people want to join this league because they want to play. I think the round robin group allows for a much larger time period where every team is still playing in the league. In a double elimination bracket, you can play as few as two matches and you're out, while in a round robin group system every team gets to play at least 7 matches. I think it may be much more fun for the teams and the players if they get to play as much as possible. I think a bo5 is the best way to go, as it reduces the amount of players per team, making everything much easier to run. Maybe after the first season and it's clear that the league can function with more players, it can be changed to a bo7 or even a bo9, but for now I think bo5s are more than enough to test the waters. | ||
Smooch
United States27 Posts
Smooch.163 NA Silver Toss | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 05 2012 12:02 Smooch wrote: This all sounds great but it is listed as a "Team League" idea. From what I have seen, mostly everyone commenting here are individual players. Are there any actual teams formed yet? Smooch.163 NA Silver Toss There have been a few people who said their team would be willing to join, one is listed in the spreadsheet. The plan was once there was a viable amount of players team captains would pick from the pool to complete teams. At least that is what I recall from the previous posts, no one has really called dibs on being a captain on the NA side I believe though. | ||
Smooch
United States27 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 05 2012 12:10 Smooch wrote: Well then looks like the first order of Business is to organize teams :D Indeed, the only problem is... if we want at least 8 teams with at LEAST 1 bronze in it. We only have 3 signed up, so that is the limiting factor at this point. | ||
AHMED1234
7 Posts
On April 05 2012 12:11 Dasende wrote: Indeed, the only problem is... if we want at least 8 teams with at LEAST 1 bronze in it. We only have 3 signed up, so that is the limiting factor at this point. well I could get a couple of my bronzie friends to play, and wouldn't high bronze be the same level as low/mid silver? | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On April 05 2012 12:21 AHMED1234 wrote: well I could get a couple of my bronzie friends to play, and wouldn't high bronze be the same level as low/mid silver? MAJOR UPDATE: Hey guys, right now, me and Dasende are bumping around the idea of having this be a league where Silvers/Golds actively play while Bronzes aspire to compete and Plats+ help players improve. =) | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 05 2012 12:21 AHMED1234 wrote: well I could get a couple of my bronzie friends to play, and wouldn't high bronze be the same level as low/mid silver? As this is a Bronze, Silver, Gold league (at this time) their relation to Silver really doesn't matter. So if you have like 5 bronzies that want to play (in the NA region)... super! lol MAJOR UPDATE: Hey guys, right now, me and Dasende are bumping around the idea of having this be a league where Silvers/Golds actively play while Bronzes aspire to compete and Plats+ help players improve. =) This idea is being thrown about because we have enough Silver/Gold players to make 8 teams with 5 players each at this current time. | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
On April 05 2012 12:25 BlueBoxSC wrote: MAJOR UPDATE: Hey guys, right now, me and Dasende are bumping around the idea of having this be a league where Silvers/Golds actively play while Bronzes aspire to compete and Plats+ help players improve. =) This is a much better idea | ||
darederp
United States1 Post
NA 821 Silver Protoss Would love to be involved! | ||
MasianMario
United States8 Posts
NA MaznPhoenix 904 Plat Zerg | ||
gp0942
United States7 Posts
859 NA bronze zerg I only play on the weekends normally but this sounds like a great idea. I would probably not be in bronze if i played 1v1 more. I'm gold/silver for my 2v2 teams, but I'd like to be motivated to play more 1v1s. | ||
tossuaway
United States107 Posts
I want in too! | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
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blanks.yuC
Poland61 Posts
EU yuC.335 gold league Zerg | ||
Hetairoi
Sweden508 Posts
EU Kingdom.330 Gold Protoss | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 05 2012 19:11 Cinim wrote: Too many Americans, why don't EU people want in? ![]() I don't know ![]() | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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MasEo9
United States4 Posts
NA MasE #133 Silver Terran | ||
oZe
Sweden492 Posts
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On April 05 2012 23:12 Cinim wrote: Maybe because it's not a 1v1 tournament, but they will actually try and arrange certain teams to compete against each other. Maybe those people aren't on actual teams but victories/loses are given to that team, not the single players. Exactly. =) Thanks, Cinim. So far, it looks like moderators are me, Dasende, and Howlin'. Any questions, PM one of us. | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 05 2012 23:32 BlueBoxSC wrote: Exactly. =) Thanks, Cinim. So far, it looks like moderators are me, Dasende, and Howlin'. Any questions, PM one of us. Reedjr and RainSunShowers are also involved. The five of us are gonna have to meet in Skype to get some of the details done, and then we'll communicate to the players their teams. | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On April 05 2012 23:39 howLiN wrote: Reedjr and RainSunShowers are also involved. The five of us are gonna have to meet in Skype to get some of the details done, and then we'll communicate to the players their teams. Ah, missed Reed. Thought that RSS said he couldn't do this. Well, that's great, less load for me, personally. :D I'll send you my Skype info in a PM. | ||
RainSunShowers
Norway152 Posts
On April 05 2012 23:41 BlueBoxSC wrote: Ah, missed Reed. Thought that RSS said he couldn't do this. Well, that's great, less load for me, personally. :D I'll send you my Skype info in a PM. I will be involved, but I wont be the main "guy" that is in control ![]() | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On April 06 2012 00:03 RainSunShowers wrote: I will be involved, but I wont be the main "guy" that is in control ![]() Alright, sounds awesome. :D | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
As for silver players, we still have 3 spots that can be filled for the NA league. As for bronze players, we need 3 more players to start the league, and a maximum number of 11 spots that can be filled for the NA league. Spread the word people, we're almost there! | ||
MepHiii
Poland191 Posts
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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bcolby20
United States16 Posts
NA Prolapse code 860 Zerg Bronze email me at bcolby20@gmail.com | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:12 bcolby20 wrote: i'm down if you still need some bronze. NA Prolapse Zerg Bronze email me at bcolby20@gmail.com You need a character code there bro | ||
Duralon
United States15 Posts
NA Icculus Zerg Bronze Character Code: 942 thanks! | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:11 Ksquared wrote: So much win. So I guess the teams will name themselves? Yup, that's right. They will choose their names and how their team logo will look like. I'm guessing that it's harder for the teams to pick the color they like (since there are 8 colors for 8 teams) so i'm not sure if we're gonna give each team a color or if they're gonna pick themselves. We're still deciding that. | ||
zergmacro34
59 Posts
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Hetairoi
Sweden508 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:03 Cinim wrote: unless more comes, probably yes. How far off is an EU version of the league? | ||
Duralon
United States15 Posts
Thanks. How will I be contacted? | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:50 zergmacro34 wrote: right away what im thinking with this is stay in bronze to pwn nubs in this team league even though im diamond skill We will do everything to make sure that won't happen. | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:02 Duralon wrote: Excited! Did I sign up in time or were you guys already full? Thanks. How will I be contacted? In my previous post I've said that we have no more spots for golds, but we still have 3 for silvers and we need more bronzes. We're compiling a list of every player that has posted here, so if we need more players we contact the ones that posted but couldn't get in at first. Don't worry, everyone will definitely be able to play eventually! | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On April 06 2012 01:57 Hetairoi wrote: How far off is an EU version of the league? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhCDccsPjOsYdGhZcHVDRi1uMzVrdUpuNWRkUGVWdnc#gid=0 what was linked earlier in this thread - judge for yourself ![]() | ||
Duralon
United States15 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:05 howLiN wrote: In my previous post I've said that we have no more spots for golds, but we still have 3 for silvers and we need more bronzes. We're compiling a list of every player that has posted here, so if we need more players we contact the ones that posted but couldn't get in at first. Don't worry, everyone will definitely be able to play eventually! Awesome! This is one time I'm fortunate to be a low league player (bronze) hahah. | ||
L4mppu
Finland40 Posts
Name.Character code: Lamppu.813 EU!! League: Silver hopefully make it to gold on season 7 Race: Protoss | ||
Falconpauunch
Korea (South)59 Posts
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L4mppu
Finland40 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:08 Duralon wrote: Awesome! This is one time I'm fortunate to be a low league player (bronze) hahah. Great! You just need to post in this thread your name, your character code, your server and your league, and it will be compiled into our list of players. On April 06 2012 02:15 L4mppu wrote: 8 teams of 5 is not enough. There must also be somekind of list of players and what team are they in. Teams also should have a week or so practice time so they can teach one on other and get to know eachother. We're aiming to have 8 players in each team (5 available to play in a match, 3 for backup), and we're actually pretty close to that. And having a week for the teams to know eachother is a great idea. Also, from the moment we announce the teams until the league starts there will be a period of time where things have to be arranjed inside a team (choosing the captain, discussing their name and logo, having the logos made by the organization, etc), so there will be plenty of time for the teammates to know each other regardless. | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:14 Falconpauunch wrote: really hope I get in, posted around page 5 You need to edit your post to say which race you play. | ||
WarEagle
United States130 Posts
I will say upfront that I'm no expert, but I have been researching team leagues since January, both amateur and professional, watching the tournament threads and/or respective website, taking notes of what works, what doesn't, and reading through countless pages of praise and complaints. I've also had help from other event organizers who were kind enough to guide me along the way. This is what I've concluded: First and foremost, don't run a league from a thread. It's unorganized, even the most organized of threads w/ the most organized of people running it. It's just too hard to keep up w/ everything, and it requires everyone to read through page after page to keep up to date, not to mention it's unappealing. Get a website, even if it's a free one from Word Press. Bare minimum you need a homepage where event organizers can communicate w/ participants, a forum for everyone to discuss the event, and contact page so people can register/contact the admins. Also, use a tournament management system. For a round robin followed by playoffs system, use Binary Beast. The second biggest killer of a league: scheduling. DO NOT leave it up to the teams to schedule matches. It will not work. Bottom line. Take a consensus, talk about when most people would like to play, then schedule the matches for them. Do not take a team's organizational skills for granted. I've seen teams who are easy to contact and show up on time to matches, and others who I can never get email replies from or will say "We have a match today? No one told me." And that's Master/GM level teams I'm talking about. They are supposed to be well established and organized. If you just throw together a bunch of teams and expect them to be organized your crazy. Some of them will be fine, but other teams will be unorganized and fall apart half way through the league, and then your entire bracket is screwed, and the league falls apart. Which brings me to my next point. Pro league formatting is a logistical nightmare. It requires teams to have players of each level, and enough of each level to provide backup when someone doesn't show. This is already proving to be an issue. It also requires the teams to communicate with each other prior to the match what their rosters will be. This just adds another level of complication. There is a reason why it's called pro league format; you need organized, professional players and event organizers to make it a smooth process. The league needs to be as simple as possible, including rules, scheduling, and formatting. If you want to get it off the ground, keep it simple, hope you can finish a season, then let it grow naturally. Here is what I would recommend to run this league. I think the 8 teams is a good number to start with. Ask for 8 volunteers who want to be team captains. A captain should have good communication and organizational skills. Then compile a list of everyone here who wants to be a part of the league, and let the 8 captains pick one by one until everyone is on a team. In doing Best of 5 matches, around 6-8 players per team would be a good number to ensure teams always have enough players to do a clan war at any given date; that will give them 3 starters and 3-5 backups. Next, give the teams a grace period to get to know one another, play some games together, and evaluate who on the team is reliable or not so they can make a roster. The teams will need to setup an in game chat channel, a clan site to organize team functions, exchange contact information amongst themselves, etc. Then let them start having friendly clan wars against each other so once the league starts, the teams know how to effectively run a clan war. This experience among the teams and players will make running a league SOOOOO much easier on the admins. And while these teams are getting organized and experienced, the league admins need to be setting up a streamlined system to run the league, and preparing themselves mentally for what they are about to jump into. They need to come up with a simple, concise rules page. Don't be too strict, b/c at this level it's all about fun and your really don't have to worry about cheating. Come up with a good map pool, and let the players know what it is beforehand so they can start practicing on those maps. Hopefully within a few weeks everyone will be ready to go and most of the league pitfalls will be avoided. Once again, this is just my opinion of how a successful league should be setup, based on my experience and observations. I'm not saying that if you fail to do these things your league will fail, but trust me when I say that I have seen failed leagues and extremely crappy leagues that would have benefited greatly from some of the things I listed. Maybe some of this advice will help you get the league running, as I would love to see a large team base at the Bronze-Gold level, and I wish everyone the best of luck in this venture. If you need any help with organization or want to ask me any questions, feel free to contact me at admin@sc2clans.org. | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
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zergmacro34
59 Posts
On April 06 2012 02:02 howLiN wrote: We will do everything to make sure that won't happen. And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver to be king of the bronze. | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On April 06 2012 04:21 zergmacro34 wrote: And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver. Well, personally not in it, but I would be able to spot a player above gold level instantly, tbh. Anyone who has played this game for some time would know. Just an example, Major as I think the guy is mostly known under that ID, tried to go into a SEA only tournament, for I think diamond players or some, where moonglade was casting. He spotted that this person was way better almost instantly. I almost think the gab in the lower leagues is even bigger tbh, so it shouldn't be no issue to spot for whoever is going to control this league, or atleast I hope so. | ||
zergmacro34
59 Posts
On April 06 2012 04:24 Cinim wrote: Well, personally not in it, but I would be able to spot a player above gold level instantly, tbh. Anyone who has played this game for some time would know. Just an example, Major as I think the guy is mostly known under that ID, tried to go into a SEA only tournament, for I think diamond players or some, where moonglade was casting. He spotted that this person was way better almost instantly. I almost think the gab in the lower leagues is even bigger tbh, so it shouldn't be no issue to spot for whoever is going to control this league, or atleast I hope so. Yes but I would think like a bronze, act like a bronze and play like a bronze- just enough to win. | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On April 06 2012 05:08 zergmacro34 wrote: Yes but I would think like a bronze, act like a bronze and play like a bronze- just enough to win. If your diamond for example or higher, you cant play to bronze level, you just cant. also, it's just a minor tournament there isn't going to be any reason to cheat, probably not going to be any awards either. Only way you can act bronze is by going off race where you don't know any of the building or binds or anything maybe | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
On April 06 2012 05:08 zergmacro34 wrote: Yes but I would think like a bronze, act like a bronze and play like a bronze- just enough to win. But why would you? | ||
zergmacro34
59 Posts
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Skorbnut
United States20 Posts
On April 06 2012 05:17 zergmacro34 wrote: To pwn noobs? To be an asshat? There are people out there that think like me. Just watch out, one of the bronze players on this application thread might be me :D I'm completely fine playing against people better than me. There's no incentive for me to care a ton about winning, other than to be credit to team. So troll all you want, not gonna matter too much. | ||
WarEagle
United States130 Posts
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zergmacro34
59 Posts
On April 06 2012 05:19 Skorbnut wrote: I'm completely fine playing against people better than me. There's no incentive for me to care a ton about winning, other than to be credit to team. So troll all you want, not gonna matter too much. Are you in bronze? On April 06 2012 05:27 WarEagle wrote: You also have to think about the fact that you will be on a team, practicing with them and such. Surely they would figure it out and kick you from the team, or at the very least not let you on the roster for the league. Actually i could still pretend through that. "Whats a 10 pool?" "Just build stuff" "O well, its about having fun :D" "O crap my base is mined out time to expand" You know what people do in hardcore d2? They make friends with people for like 2 months then stab each other in the back. I don't do that I've just heard stories. | ||
Skorbnut
United States20 Posts
No. My point still stands though. If a diamond player were to masquerade as being a gold player, I'd still be cool with it. | ||
MaximusT
United States126 Posts
On April 05 2012 12:25 BlueBoxSC wrote: MAJOR UPDATE: Hey guys, right now, me and Dasende are bumping around the idea of having this be a league where Silvers/Golds actively play while Bronzes aspire to compete and Plats+ help players improve. =) Ok, so in order to play we have to get bumped to silver? or like the bronzies play each other to get put on a team? Where the top however many get placed? If it's the latter that's cool. If it's the former, I gotta hit the ladder. EDIT: Apologies if this was already discussed, I didn't read pages 7-end of comments. | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 05:48 MaximusT wrote: Ok, so in order to play we have to get bumped to silver? or like the bronzies play each other to get put on a team? Where the top however many get placed? If it's the latter that's cool. If it's the former, I gotta hit the ladder. EDIT: Apologies if this was already discussed, I didn't read pages 7-end of comments. The idea was discarded, it will stay as it was originally discussed. 1 Bronze, 2 Silver, 2 Golds as a 5 man fielded team with 3 backups ideally. | ||
birchman
Sweden393 Posts
birchman (562) Silver Terran On European servers. | ||
LosZergs
United States100 Posts
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On April 06 2012 05:28 zergmacro34 wrote: Are you in bronze? Actually i could still pretend through that. "Whats a 10 pool?" "Just build stuff" "O well, its about having fun :D" "O crap my base is mined out time to expand" You know what people do in hardcore d2? They make friends with people for like 2 months then stab each other in the back. I don't do that I've just heard stories. I actually think there are far fewer assholes like yourself than you imagine. Whatever, have fun trolling because 0 people will care. | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 06:01 LosZergs wrote: im really looking forward to this Most of us are, my Zerg friend. (Yes, I remember you are in fact a Protoss player. :p) | ||
Volamel
United States52 Posts
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TLAdapt
United States22 Posts
Gold Zerg NA Server This is great, I can't wait for this! This will make StarCraft 2 more of a joy to play! | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 04:21 zergmacro34 wrote: And how would you go about doing this honestly? I could play just above bronze but below silver to be king of the bronze. Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that. | ||
TLAdapt
United States22 Posts
On April 06 2012 06:29 howLiN wrote: Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that. I was a Diamond Terran EIGHT months ago. I quit for seven months, and came back playing Zerg. I'm a gold Zerg now, but I am strictly a gold zerg if you look at my match history, so I don't think checking careers should be the only thing to exclude the dishonest people.. | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 06:36 TLAdapt wrote: I was a Diamond Terran EIGHT months ago. I quit for seven months, and came back playing Zerg. I'm a gold Zerg now, but I am strictly a gold zerg if you look at my match history, so I don't think checking careers should be the only thing to exclude the dishonest people.. Agreed on that, I was in Platinum 2 seasons ago myself. But I redid placement matches and played 5 bronzies in a row so I went 5-0 | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 06:36 TLAdapt wrote: I was a Diamond Terran EIGHT months ago. I quit for seven months, and came back playing Zerg. I'm a gold Zerg now, but I am strictly a gold zerg if you look at my match history, so I don't think checking careers should be the only thing to exclude the dishonest people.. I meant that it's kinda easy to see if a Diamond player who was always Diamond gets demoted to a lower rank in the current ladder season just to play in this league. Of course season 1 ranks don't mean that much since it was easier to be higher ranked at the beginning of the game. Either way, my point is that by having a proleague format for the team matches, it gets hard to compromise the match if a higher ranked player is playing. | ||
CWPiRatE
United States33 Posts
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TSM
Great Britain584 Posts
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zergmacro34
59 Posts
On April 06 2012 06:04 zefreak wrote: I actually think there are far fewer assholes like yourself than you imagine. Whatever, have fun trolling because 0 people will care. LOL hopefully you are right. Could you at least come up with a good account name for me to sign up with? :D On April 06 2012 06:29 howLiN wrote: Well, for starters I can check your account career and exclude you if you ever were above gold in any ladder season... But if you really want to "pwn some noobs" that's okay, they're still bo5 matches and at most you'd be winning a game for your team when they need 3 to win the match. I don't think a troll would be that big of a deal, if anything shows commitment from the troll in participating in a league for a minimum 7 straight weeks without trolling anyone at all. And I'm okay with that. Hmm that is a fairly resilient system yes hmm. How about me and my friends all go down to bronze and do it up? On April 06 2012 06:38 Dasende wrote: Agreed on that, I was in Platinum 2 seasons ago myself. But I redid placement matches and played 5 bronzies in a row so I went 5-0 and you dont want to alienate the REAL bronze players o.o hmm what to do :D | ||
Zvenn3n
Sweden1196 Posts
Anyways, I'd be interested, I do lack a team though. If anyone wants me on their team for this team league,, hit me up! I play on EU, btw. OckE #506 Gold Protoss | ||
zergmacro34
59 Posts
On April 06 2012 07:33 Zvenn3n wrote: I voted all-kill format, but after reading this, I think that a pro-league format would be beast, to avoid any smurfing. Anyways, I'd be interested, I do lack a team though. If anyone wants me on their team for this team league,, hit me up! I play on EU, btw. OckE #506 Gold Protoss whats wrong with all-kill Zvenn3n :D | ||
Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
EU Atoissen.927 Gold Toss | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 07:30 zergmacro34 wrote: and you dont want to alienate the REAL bronze players o.o hmm what to do :D How would me 5-0 my placement matches (whom where all bronze) be alienating to them? I'm in a different league (Gold) than them so I wouldn't ever play them in this league. On April 06 2012 07:43 Ksquared wrote: Do you guys have an ETA on when this will start? We don't have an exact date right now, but after the teams are finalized, a few days after that it will most likely start barring unforseen issues. | ||
zergmacro34
59 Posts
On April 06 2012 07:50 Dasende wrote: How would me 5-0 my placement matches (whom where all bronze) be alienating to them? I'm in a different league (Gold) than them so I wouldn't ever play them in this league. no your quote was meant to emphasize the problem howlin faces its not directed at u :D | ||
MepHiii
Poland191 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 07:52 MepHiii wrote: i see a lot of EU players signing up, maybe it will happen after all? No Bronze players as of yet though, unless EU division decides to change their league to fit this, but can always hope for an influx of players! | ||
Zvenn3n
Sweden1196 Posts
Nothing wrong with it, but if, say, a masters players used a smurf bronze account, he'd trash the competition, and that wouldn't be fair now, would it? OT: Will we look at casting these games? If so, I'd love to be a caster, though I'd have to not stream, due to my internet being bad =/ (What I'm trying to say is that if we get like someone to stream and maybe cast, I'd be more than willing to cast with him) | ||
trumpetarn
Sweden32 Posts
Trumpetarn 169 Bronze Eu | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 07:59 trumpetarn wrote: This would be really nice, i'd be happy to play dont have a team though Trumpetarn 169 Bronze Eu sc2ranks says you're Terran so I placed you in the respective column. If it's wrong let me know ![]() | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 07:57 Zvenn3n wrote: Nothing wrong with it, but if, say, a masters players used a smurf bronze account, he'd trash the competition, and that wouldn't be fair now, would it? OT: Will we look at casting these games? If so, I'd love to be a caster, though I'd have to not stream, due to my internet being bad =/ (What I'm trying to say is that if we get like someone to stream and maybe cast, I'd be more than willing to cast with him) It will be the pro-league format, that is decided already. Obviously we would like it if someone would want to cast certain games, as this is the first season it isn't that large of a priority. If we do push for it later, it will probably be around when the playoffs take place. | ||
Zvenn3n
Sweden1196 Posts
On April 06 2012 08:03 Dasende wrote: It will be the pro-league format, that is decided already. Obviously we would like it if someone would want to cast certain games, as this is the first season it isn't that large of a priority. If we do push for it later, it will probably be around when the playoffs take place. Cool, it sounds awesome! I love when there are tournaments for "normal" players, like the playhem daily, and SCV rush among other things ![]() | ||
zergmacro34
59 Posts
On April 06 2012 07:57 Zvenn3n wrote: Nothing wrong with it, but if, say, a masters players used a smurf bronze account, he'd trash the competition, and that wouldn't be fair now, would it? OT: Will we look at casting these games? If so, I'd love to be a caster, though I'd have to not stream, due to my internet being bad =/ (What I'm trying to say is that if we get like someone to stream and maybe cast, I'd be more than willing to cast with him) hmm I can see how you came to that conclusion On April 06 2012 07:59 trumpetarn wrote: This would be really nice, i'd be happy to play dont have a team though Trumpetarn 169 Bronze Eu we've got a winner! | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 08:11 Zvenn3n wrote: Cool, it sounds awesome! I love when there are tournaments for "normal" players, like the playhem daily, and SCV rush among other things ![]() Tell your friends! The EU division still needs players. ![]() | ||
trumpetarn
Sweden32 Posts
On April 06 2012 08:01 Dasende wrote: sc2ranks says you're Terran so I placed you in the respective column. If it's wrong let me know ![]() Forgot to add that, terran is correct :-) | ||
Duralon
United States15 Posts
Organization seems awesome, keep up the good work guys! IF you need any help let me know. | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 07:30 zergmacro34 wrote: LOL hopefully you are right. Could you at least come up with a good account name for me to sign up with? :D Hmm that is a fairly resilient system yes hmm. How about me and my friends all go down to bronze and do it up? and you dont want to alienate the REAL bronze players o.o hmm what to do :D I suppose it's possible that an entire team full of smurfers want to participate in the league just to destroy all the other teams, but it's highly unlikely, especially since we're the ones who assign the players to the teams if they didn't come to participate with a predetermined group that wants to play in the same team, which are the vast majority of the players in here. | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
LINK: BSG League Roster EDIT: Some teams are still incomplete at this time and reserves are not chosen. So this is NOT the finalized teams, though it will be similar. | ||
Volamel
United States52 Posts
On April 06 2012 09:37 Dasende wrote: The OP is updated with the teams in text form, however if you want to indulge my hobby of apparently messing with the spreadsheet and making it look nice... feel free to look at the teams in the spreadsheet. LINK: BSG League Roster EDIT: Some teams are still incomplete at this time and reserves are not chosen. So this is NOT the finalized teams, though it will be similar. Is it bad that when you changed something on the spread sheet, it kinda creeped me out. Did not expect it to be real time editing. lol | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 09:44 Volamel wrote: Is it bad that when you changed something on the spread sheet, it kinda creeped me out. Did no expect it to be real time editing. lol Hah, I'm used to it since I do lots of my group presentations on it and we edit it all at the same time. | ||
TeamBanished
United States301 Posts
Morevocals.990 Silver NA | ||
KamaViha
Germany3 Posts
Won't be able to play till Monday, but since I'm on EU it won't really matter I guess EU KamaViha.665 Silver Random (or rather switching races every other week to play them evenly) Btw, would I have to choose Random for the whole season when starting a game or is it possible to change the race at any given time during the season? Perhaps if I tell my opponent at the time a match is being scheduled? | ||
zergmacro34
59 Posts
On April 06 2012 09:07 howLiN wrote: I suppose it's possible that an entire team full of smurfers want to participate in the league just to destroy all the other teams, but it's highly unlikely, especially since we're the ones who assign the players to the teams if they didn't come to participate with a predetermined group that wants to play in the same team, which are the vast majority of the players in here. quite howlin, quite | ||
AHMED1234
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Reedjr
United States228 Posts
On April 06 2012 10:18 AHMED1234 wrote: Is there a way where we can be informed of when a tournament start, when to practice, etc etc. Once we have the details of when everything starts, we will let you know. As far as practice is concerned, I think that's something you more need to organize with your team. | ||
ErrantMind
United States63 Posts
NA ErrantMind.418 Silver Terran | ||
TLAdapt
United States22 Posts
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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Volamel
United States52 Posts
On April 06 2012 10:30 Ksquared wrote: Who are the team captains? Don't wanna speak for the admins, but i am sure that info is on its way. ![]() | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 10:29 TLAdapt wrote: wait wait wait, let me get this straight.. There is only 8 teams? with 1 bronze 2 silvers and 2 gold on each? And since all the gold slots are filled, and 90% of the silver slots filled, no one else can join? Awww man! Shucks ![]() 8 teams would bring a season to 2 months length, 7 weeks of Round Robin then Playoffs. We may increase the size of teams, which would allow for more people in but as this is the first season we obviously don't want to get TOO ambitious and then not be able to handle it. We appreciate your enthusiasm though! It's good to see that people are so interested in this! | ||
Nightops
United States66 Posts
Nightops.643 Gold Terran | ||
BogusBart
Canada24 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 11:19 BogusBart wrote: So what's the scoop as of right now? Any way I can contact you guys to talk about stuff? Also, just namechanged to BogusBart (no eXa). ![]() PM is fine, or if you have a messenger of choice send me those details if you like. In game would probably be fine too, if I'm online :p | ||
coppuh
United States9 Posts
Coppuh.143 - Silver Terran Bunnies.635 - Bronze Terran Sasimon.414 - Bronze Terran We are all NA | ||
Dnien
Denmark4 Posts
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Insomniac22
United States907 Posts
Insomniac.724, "Gold" Terran (I was gold with P not T) US | ||
TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
EU RVxZergBoner Gold Protoss | ||
L4mppu
Finland40 Posts
Hi EU Protoss here. I would like to participate on this tournament and would like to know more how this is going to be put up. Name.Character code: Lamppu.813 EU!! League: Silver hopefully make it to gold on season 7 Race: Protoss | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
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kappadevin
United States284 Posts
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sYan
United Kingdom7 Posts
Team Saints Gaming [SG] SGsYan.359 - Gold Protoss SGMilestone.763 - Gold Zerg SGSonnet.945 - Gold Zerg | ||
RainSunShowers
Norway152 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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jabberwockzerg
United States294 Posts
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SGSonnet
United Kingdom4 Posts
On April 06 2012 21:03 howLiN wrote: By the way, we're gonna add players to the teams in the OP so that each team has 8 players.! This that a typo ? teams of 8 ? Having half a team of randomers isn't much of a team, its just a mish mash of people who want to play Starcraft. I don't mind the odd player filling up a team but if its teams of 8 then SG's above interest is withdrawn. | ||
soulsaver
Germany1 Post
soulsaver.780 - Gold Protoss | ||
CWPiRatE
United States33 Posts
CWPiRatE #425 - Zerg CWprotoast #343 - Random CWHarbear #597 - Terran shady #503 - Zerg If we join this I want my team together. No one else to play with us. Please :D | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 06 2012 21:45 SGSonnet wrote: This that a typo ? teams of 8 ? Having half a team of randomers isn't much of a team, its just a mish mash of people who want to play Starcraft. I don't mind the odd player filling up a team but if its teams of 8 then SG's above interest is withdrawn. This wasn't thought as a league only for already existing teams, this was a league for individual players who would like to play in a team league. That's why we took the liberty to make teams with fixed numbers of players from each rank. If we would only be catering to existing teams we wouldn't have nearly the same level of enthusiasm we're getting, because there's a lot of people who would like to play in a casual, amateur team and play in a team league for their level. This league is made primarily for those people. I understand why you wouldn't want to participate, but the idea was to create new teams within the community to make Starcraft a more social experience, and to make something that the players could aim for as a team, because that's something the lower level players don't have a lot. | ||
MaxxBiff
5 Posts
MaxxBiff (767) Gold Zerg | ||
MaxxBiff
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Thorine
Canada6 Posts
NA aGThorine.921 Gold Protoss | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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sYan
United Kingdom7 Posts
On April 06 2012 23:01 howLiN wrote: This wasn't thought as a league only for already existing teams, this was a league for individual players who would like to play in a team league. That's why we took the liberty to make teams with fixed numbers of players from each rank. If we would only be catering to existing teams we wouldn't have nearly the same level of enthusiasm we're getting, because there's a lot of people who would like to play in a casual, amateur team and play in a team league for their level. This league is made primarily for those people. I understand why you wouldn't want to participate, but the idea was to create new teams within the community to make Starcraft a more social experience, and to make something that the players could aim for as a team, because that's something the lower level players don't have a lot. Fair comment, but I don't see how this can work in a 'team' environment. Random players that are forced together won't have the same the effect as a actual team of friends/practice partners as random players won't have the loyalty to eachother, or the team for that fact. If someone doesn't show, or repeatedly loses, the others will soon lose interest, regardless of whether the team is doing well or not. Then you and the rest of the team, providing it has imploded by now, are on the backfoot from the offset. You talk about enthusiasm as if a random bunch of people are going to gel immediately when the reality is some will, and some will not. That is not how a team operates. | ||
Zvenn3n
Sweden1196 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:15 sYan wrote: Fair comment, but I don't see how this can work in a 'team' environment. Random players that are forced together won't have the same the effect as a actual team of friends/practice partners as random players won't have the loyalty to eachother, or the team for that fact. If someone doesn't show, or repeatedly loses, the others will soon lose interest, regardless of whether the team is doing well or not. Then you and the rest of the team, providing it has imploded by now, are on the backfoot from the offset. You talk about enthusiasm as if a random bunch of people are going to gel immediately when the reality is some will, and some will not. That is not how a team operates. I think it's a great idea, because I sometimes find myself not wanting to play unless I play with other people. You make this seem as if it was the GSL, which it's not, it's just a way for people to have fun together instead of playing by themselves. If said people also finds a way to communicate through vent, and give pointers and tips after the game, I think it would give them a feeling of being in a team. Honestly, the scenario where one player quits might happen, but that's what we have reserves for. (I am in no way affiliated with the management of this league, by the way, just my five cents) | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 06 2012 21:45 SGSonnet wrote: This that a typo ? teams of 8 ? Having half a team of randomers isn't much of a team, its just a mish mash of people who want to play Starcraft. I don't mind the odd player filling up a team but if its teams of 8 then SG's above interest is withdrawn. Just to clarify he means 5 man teams which will have 3 backup players in the case of people not being able to show. That is where he is getting 8 players | ||
TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:15 sYan wrote: Fair comment, but I don't see how this can work in a 'team' environment. Random players that are forced together won't have the same the effect as a actual team of friends/practice partners as random players won't have the loyalty to eachother, or the team for that fact. If someone doesn't show, or repeatedly loses, the others will soon lose interest, regardless of whether the team is doing well or not. Then you and the rest of the team, providing it has imploded by now, are on the backfoot from the offset. You talk about enthusiasm as if a random bunch of people are going to gel immediately when the reality is some will, and some will not. That is not how a team operates. Just check out the DRTL thread in the BW forum. This format of tournament is amazingly fun, and a great way to make new practice partners or even friends and improve at the game. If you're already in a team, you need none of this. Gold and below level tournament is exactly about the astounding level of competition after all. | ||
iwar
Andorra5 Posts
iwar 189 bronze zerg EU | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:15 sYan wrote: Fair comment, but I don't see how this can work in a 'team' environment. Random players that are forced together won't have the same the effect as a actual team of friends/practice partners as random players won't have the loyalty to eachother, or the team for that fact. If someone doesn't show, or repeatedly loses, the others will soon lose interest, regardless of whether the team is doing well or not. Then you and the rest of the team, providing it has imploded by now, are on the backfoot from the offset. You talk about enthusiasm as if a random bunch of people are going to gel immediately when the reality is some will, and some will not. That is not how a team operates. If someone doesn't show, they can be replaced if the captain chooses to do so, there is enough people to not worry about it. Also, yes obviously with no pre-existing ties to people the "team" spirit is less and yadda yadda. BUT if there is no jump to make that effort then there will NEVER be team loyalty. If there was a pre-existing sc2 BSG league here I would reach out to those people's teams and ask them to join and have people draft into them. However, there is not an established one as far as I know, so this will be the jumping point to creating that team environment you so desire. I will be doing my best to help my team have a good environment, and to create that team feel. Partially, that's what the captains are for as well, to stimulate the teams into a working partnership. | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:15 sYan wrote: Fair comment, but I don't see how this can work in a 'team' environment. Random players that are forced together won't have the same the effect as a actual team of friends/practice partners as random players won't have the loyalty to eachother, or the team for that fact. If someone doesn't show, or repeatedly loses, the others will soon lose interest, regardless of whether the team is doing well or not. Then you and the rest of the team, providing it has imploded by now, are on the backfoot from the offset. You talk about enthusiasm as if a random bunch of people are going to gel immediately when the reality is some will, and some will not. That is not how a team operates. We're starting the first league as something that will help us to understand what can go wrong and what can go right. I can assure you that if that happens in a larger scale then we will definitely change our format, because we want a league that works. But for now, we're hoping that the league will work in a way that teams don't have that much games to be played, because this is a casual past time, and as such it's not absolutely required to have a perfect synergy between teammates for them to play team matches. We're thinking about ways that teams won't be in a bad spot if some members drop the team mid-season, namely something like filling their spots with other players who wanted to play but didn't have any more open spots in teams so that they have the minimum required to compete. Thanks a lot for your input, it certainly raised some relevant questions. --------- To everyone: There seems to be some kind of confusion because I said "8 players per team" in previous posts when we've been talking about 5 players before. Just to be clear, each team has still 5 main players + 3 backup players, which is a total of 8 players per team. The fixed number for the backup players is mainly because of the amount of players wanting to participate. Five players is the minimum quantity of players so that a bo5 match with all ranks represented can be played; the three backup players represent a rank each and can play in the matches if a main player can't play in that day. So, each team will have 2 bronze players, 3 silver players and 3 gold players (8 players total), and each match requires 1 bronze player, 2 silver players and 2 gold players (5 players total). That's why I've been saying 8 players. The separation between main player and backup player is done within the team, if the team wants to make that separation at all. | ||
reikai
United States359 Posts
![]() please let me know when this gets played out, will watch to support :D | ||
MepHiii
Poland191 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 00:48 MepHiii wrote: is anyone collecting these EU players? They should also be on the spreadsheet, it may not be up to date as I was away for a bit. However there should be other people who can maintain that aside from me if I step away again. | ||
Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
On April 06 2012 21:45 SGSonnet wrote: This that a typo ? teams of 8 ? Having half a team of randomers isn't much of a team, its just a mish mash of people who want to play Starcraft. I don't mind the odd player filling up a team but if its teams of 8 then SG's above interest is withdrawn. Btw, your 3 players if you ever expected the 3 of you alone will be able to form a team for an actual teamleague, your way off, sry to say. However, people have already before said they joined as a team, and I think they put those together, but also filled randoms in, so that the team had the proper size. So your SG team will be able to stick together, but you need a few more people. | ||
LosZergs
United States100 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 01:43 LosZergs wrote: Yeeeea Team8 fighting! Team name pending. :p I made up a slew of knock off names to make up a mock bracket some of them I found pretty hilarious | ||
Skorbnut
United States20 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 02:19 Skorbnut wrote: Why wasn't I put on a team? It wasn't first come first served? I was the 12th gold player to sign up, shouldn't I be on a team? Good question. Looking into it, you should be in a spot and I know exactly where. | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 07 2012 02:19 Skorbnut wrote: Why wasn't I put on a team? It wasn't first come first served? I was the 12th gold player to sign up, shouldn't I be on a team? We're reviewing all the rosters to make sure a situation like that won't happen, don't worry. Please note that those rosters were described as tentative. | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
On April 07 2012 01:43 LosZergs wrote: Yeeeea Team8 fighting! Just keep that name lol. | ||
KizzaL
8 Posts
On April 07 2012 01:42 Cinim wrote: Btw, your 3 players if you ever expected the 3 of you alone will be able to form a team for an actual teamleague, your way off, sry to say. However, people have already before said they joined as a team, and I think they put those together, but also filled randoms in, so that the team had the proper size. So your SG team will be able to stick together, but you need a few more people. The current voting is suggesting a Bo5 all-kill. How exactly is 3 people not enough for this? Also, as many people have already said, there is a difference between recruiting a few additional players to a team and having an entire team made up from random. | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 02:49 KizzaL wrote: The current voting is suggesting a Bo5 all-kill. How exactly is 3 people not enough for this? Also, as many people have already said, there is a difference between recruiting a few additional players to a team and having an entire team made up from random. It will NOT be a Bo5 All-kill it will be the Pro League format Bo5/Ace, we all love the all-kill format but to ensure the most people play (and also due to the skill levels over 3 leagues) the pro league format is the best way to do this sort of thing. And we're making new teams up here, if they want only their team they need to come with at least 5 but 3 will be added to ensure if 1 cannot make it there is a backup. | ||
KizzaL
8 Posts
On April 07 2012 02:51 Dasende wrote: It will NOT be a Bo5 All-kill it will be the Pro League format Bo5/Ace, we all love the all-kill format but to ensure the most people play (and also due to the skill levels over 3 leagues) the pro league format is the best way to do this sort of thing. And we're making new teams up here, if they want only their team they need to come with at least 5 but 3 will be added to ensure if 1 cannot make it there is a backup. Fair enough then, you should maybe remove the poll then. Good luck with the league anyway! | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 02:54 KizzaL wrote: Fair enough then, you should maybe remove the poll then. Good luck with the league anyway! Yeah, this thread is still for the logistics and things the offical thread will be new, shiny and all this information will be in the OP. ![]() | ||
CWPiRatE
United States33 Posts
CWPiRatE #425 - Zerg (Silver) CWprotoast #343 - Random (Bronze) CWHarbear #597 - Terran (Bronze) shady #503 - Zerg (Silver) So now we need 1 more silver, and 3 more gold players to be at the minimum?? | ||
LosZergs
United States100 Posts
If I had a choice i probably would haha | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
Stay tuned! | ||
FlyingSteaks
Brazil433 Posts
US Server voiD (728) Terran Silver | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
So become the team captain and decide to keep that name. *nudge nudge* | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
![]() Here's the logo: ![]() We're gonna announce the full details in the next days and on its own thread, stay tuned! | ||
Skorbnut
United States20 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 07 2012 08:20 Skorbnut wrote: Thanks for doing the legwork on this, I do appreciate it. Could you please update the OP though so I can add all the people on my team and begin practicing with them? We're really close to getting all the teams set up to start the league. Don't worry, we'll get you guys some time for you to get to practice with each other after we announce the teams. Also, don't look into the teams in the OP too much, most of them were altered and we're gonna announce the definitive team rosters soon. | ||
Volamel
United States52 Posts
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Insomniac22
United States907 Posts
NA Insomniac (724) T (i want to play T) Gold | ||
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KnivesCiao
United States9 Posts
cant wait! CTL FIGHTING | ||
Indifferent_century
32 Posts
Heartofoak (192) Terran NA Gold league | ||
birchman
Sweden393 Posts
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ihavetherain
United States15 Posts
ihavetherain 806 Terran Silver | ||
Duralon
United States15 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 07 2012 08:54 Duralon wrote: the logo is so sick! You guys are doing an amazing job. Excited!! You haven't even seen the half of it yet! :D | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
CTL Twitter! We'll try to keep it updated if any pertinent info comes though, also of course we'll be delivering the scores as well through it when the league gets started. | ||
DarK[A]
United States217 Posts
Silver Zerg | ||
gp0942
United States7 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On April 07 2012 09:48 gp0942 wrote: So I hope I'm not alone in saying that as an eager participant, but not an organizer of this league, I have absolutely no idea what to do at the moment, and it's hard to follow just through this thread. Once things get up and running maybe it'll be easier, but please tell us if we should be doing something, and sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread! Currently, there's nothing for you to do, if you've already submitted your info. =) The moderators are currently clearing up the logistics of the league and plan to have things up and running shortly. Stay tuned! | ||
Volamel
United States52 Posts
On April 07 2012 09:48 gp0942 wrote: So I hope I'm not alone in saying that as an eager participant, but not an organizer of this league, I have absolutely no idea what to do at the moment, and it's hard to follow just through this thread. Once things get up and running maybe it'll be easier, but please tell us if we should be doing something, and sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread! Go and practice you gosu!~ | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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DarK[A]
United States217 Posts
On April 07 2012 09:51 BlueBoxSC wrote: Currently, there's nothing for you to do, if you've already submitted your info. =) The moderators are currently clearing up the logistics of the league and plan to have things up and running shortly. Stay tuned! Was I too late submitting info? B-Team here I come! | ||
DashedHopes
Canada414 Posts
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milodon
Chile42 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 14:57 milodon wrote: go team 3! we need a team name, any ideas? There are more people on team 3 than those listed in the OP, it was just a rough draft more or less. Things have been changed around a bit. So when the teams are finalized and released, then you can think up team names along with who's your captain. ![]() | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 15:21 Ksquared wrote: When will that be posted? Probably later today. Mostly we're just doing final checks on it, making sure that races are fairly balanced between the teams and we haven't mistakenly put Gold entrants in the Silver category... *cough*howLiN*cough* | ||
Volamel
United States52 Posts
On April 07 2012 15:23 Dasende wrote: Probably later today. Mostly we're just doing final checks on it, making sure that races are fairly balanced between the teams and we haven't mistakenly put Gold entrants in the Silver category... *cough*howLiN*cough* Shit just got real. | ||
Dasende
United States864 Posts
You seem to lurk this thread just as much as I do. :p | ||
Volamel
United States52 Posts
On April 07 2012 15:43 Dasende wrote: You seem to lurk this thread just as much as I do. :p Well, its to late to put effort into ladder, but making snide little remarks on my favorite forum takes little to no effort! ...is that a bad thing? lol | ||
Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
On April 07 2012 15:43 Dasende wrote: You seem to lurk this thread just as much as I do. :p I hit F5 every five minutes for this thread lol | ||
kofee
United States18 Posts
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Dasende
United States864 Posts
On April 07 2012 15:57 kofee wrote: Team 5! Lets go, when does this start? After the teams will be released, there will be a short period of time to practice with the team, set lineups, choose a captain and come up with a team name. Also since we are using the new ladder maps in the map pool it will give you time to practice on ladder on your own or with your team. We're aiming for the week of April 16th to start, with the actual matchups being released probably along the same time as your team designations. Edit: Underlined what I edited, which was different from before. ![]() | ||
milodon
Chile42 Posts
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Cinim
Denmark866 Posts
![]() From there you can see when they are actual online ![]() | ||
Elizzer21
United States21 Posts
Bronze Protoss | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 07 2012 09:34 DarK[A] wrote: DarK.1264 Silver Zerg You need to fix your character code, there's 4 numbers in yours, lol. | ||
Bashnek
Australia895 Posts
Good luck all. | ||
Lokishadow
United States71 Posts
On April 07 2012 18:56 howLiN wrote: You need to fix your character code, there's 4 numbers in yours, lol. FYI, there are 4 digit character codes in SC2. I'm interested! Loki.1649 Protoss Bronze NA server I'm a total noob, but I'd like to play. | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 07 2012 23:08 Lokishadow wrote: FYI, there are 4 digit character codes in SC2. I'm interested! Loki.1649 Protoss Bronze NA server I'm a total noob, but I'd like to play. Oh, I had no idea. Thanks. | ||
iwar
Andorra5 Posts
![]() PD: good job and idea thanks for organize evrething | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On April 08 2012 00:37 iwar wrote: thats look so good, i can't wait for know and meet my team ![]() PD: good job and idea thanks for organize evrething Oh, it's fun just to organize it all. :D | ||
iwar
Andorra5 Posts
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blacklist_member
Australia318 Posts
Ocelot.177 NA server I'm Random high gold, but thats only because my protoss is pretty good, my other two races are silverish. | ||
BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On April 08 2012 01:34 blacklist_member wrote: I'd like to get in, Ocelot.177 NA server I'm Random high gold, but thats only because my protoss is pretty good, my other two races are silverish. It's a little to late for gold players to join, but we can fit you into the reserve pool. =) | ||
blacklist_member
Australia318 Posts
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Ksquared
United States1748 Posts
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
On April 08 2012 01:39 blacklist_member wrote: Aww that sucks, anyway gl on the league... Well, you're added to our spreadsheet, and if a player drops, you'll be in. =D EDITEDITEDIT: RSS just made changes to the OP; the official teams are not yet decided. ;D | ||
RedBlargh
99 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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SnClous
Sweden5 Posts
Clous 127 Bronze Protoss EU server | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On April 08 2012 08:53 SnClous wrote: I sent this in the offical thread but when i read it all i sew that EU players need to announce them self in this one. Clous 127 Bronze Protoss EU server Actually we're now only receiving registration over choboteamleague@gmail.com, so if you could forward that information to this email that would be great. Also, I'd like to ask a mod for this thread to be closed, since the discussion is happening in the new thread. | ||
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