Why do people hate Random players ? - Page 19

On February 24 2012 02:55 ZenithM wrote:


See, this is what I don't like with random players.
The non-cheesy ones are even worse than the cheesers. They think of them as some kind of big shots because they "master 3 races" and beat scrubs who only know 1 race in "macro games".

Well, you're fooling yourselves guys, plain and simple. You don't know what it's like to play vs forge fast-expand, for example. How can you claim being some kind of macro gosu if you don't even play against PvZ's most standard opener?
I played a bit of random myself. When I spawned TvZ, guess what, the other guy didn't even hatch first, for fear of some ZvZ build order loss (why would he risk hatching first against a most likely lesser Z?). So all the TvZ I played were against pool first. What's the standard in ZvT guys? Hatch first, that's right, not the crappy build you're always playing against in TvZ.
Nexus first in TvP? I bet you didn't ever see that one with your T right? "Normal scrub" Terrans scratch their heads trying to know how to keep up with/punish it.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples in all matchups.

Please don't come at us with that "I know 3 races and I'm the shit" kind of attitude.
You know 9 lesser and distorted versions of all matchups, is all what you know. It's good, but it's not the full game. You might be a good player, but you're a good ZvWankyGatewayExpands player, not a good ZvP player, and won't ever be acknowledged as such, with Blizzard's current system.

On February 24 2012 03:01 AXygnus wrote:
Random screws up openings.

Ever tried doing a 1rax concussive shell pressure into FE against Zerg?

On February 24 2012 02:39 rycho wrote:


lol? no shit it isn't a tournament, thats why i leave the game when my opponent is random, because i really don't give a fuck if it affects my ranking.

i really don't think you could find someone who cares less about "ladder points" than i do. i simply don't enjoy pvr starcraft because i feel like i'm behind based on game mechanics i can't control, so i'd rather play pvp/pvz/pvz with my free time. when i feel like it, i'll throw in a proxy gate opener vs a random player here and there just out of boredom, and i'm curious why you would post something like:



when the first sentence of the post you quoted is:



how is that a complaint? its the exact opposite of a complaint, its apathetic. i don't know how you people get through the day sometimes with the stupid shit you infer. this thread is really sad, i thought this place was more heavily moderated.

On February 24 2012 02:55 ZenithM wrote:


See, this is what I don't like with random players.
The non-cheesy ones are even worse than the cheesers. They think of them as some kind of big shots because they "master 3 races" and beat scrubs who only know 1 race in "macro games".

Well, you're fooling yourselves guys, plain and simple. You don't know what it's like to play vs forge fast-expand, for example. How can you claim being some kind of macro gosu if you don't even play against PvZ's most standard opener?
I played a bit of random myself. When I spawned TvZ, guess what, the other guy didn't even hatch first, for fear of some ZvZ build order loss (why would he risk hatching first against a most likely lesser Z?). So all the TvZ I played were against pool first. What's the standard in ZvT guys? Hatch first, that's right, not the crappy build you're always playing against in TvZ.
Nexus first in TvP? I bet you didn't ever see that one with your T right? "Normal scrub" Terrans scratch their heads trying to know how to keep up with/punish it.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples in all matchups.

Please don't come at us with that "I know 3 races and I'm the shit" kind of attitude.
You know 9 lesser and distorted versions of all matchups, is all what you know. It's good, but it's not the full game. You might be a good player, but you're a good ZvWankyGatewayExpands player, not a good ZvP player, and won't ever be acknowledged as such, with Blizzard's current system.

On February 24 2012 02:55 rycho wrote:


warn him for shitposting, because what he said was totally in opposition to explicit facts. it has nothing to do with my opinion; read his post. he quotes me saying basically "i don't care about cheese, pvr just makes for games that i don't find fun" and then goes off on a diatribe about how hypocritical it is for people to "complain about cheese".

i think i'm just used to places with more moderation, i realize it wasn't the most offensive thing in the world. it just frustrates me how obtuse some people can be, and the guy on the previous page who quoted my post was even worse than this one.

On February 24 2012 02:55 ZenithM wrote:


See, this is what I don't like with random players.
The non-cheesy ones are even worse than the cheesers. They think of them as some kind of big shots because they "master 3 races" and beat scrubs who only know 1 race in "macro games".

Well, you're fooling yourselves guys, plain and simple. You don't know what it's like to play vs forge fast-expand, for example. How can you claim being some kind of macro gosu if you don't even play against PvZ's most standard opener?
I played a bit of random myself. When I spawned TvZ, guess what, the other guy didn't even hatch first, for fear of some ZvZ build order loss (why would he risk hatching first against a most likely lesser Z?). So all the TvZ I played were against pool first. What's the standard in ZvT guys? Hatch first, that's right, not the crappy build you're always playing against in TvZ.
Nexus first in TvP? I bet you didn't ever see that one with your T right? "Normal scrub" Terrans scratch their heads trying to know how to keep up with/punish it.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples in all matchups.

Please don't come at us with that "I know 3 races and I'm the shit" kind of attitude.
You know 9 lesser and distorted versions of all matchups, is all what you know. It's good, but it's not the full game. You might be a good player, but you're a good ZvWankyGatewayExpands player, not a good ZvP player, and won't ever be acknowledged as such, with Blizzard's current system.

On February 24 2012 02:55 ZenithM wrote:


See, this is what I don't like with random players.
The non-cheesy ones are even worse than the cheesers. They think of them as some kind of big shots because they "master 3 races" and beat scrubs who only know 1 race in "macro games".

Well, you're fooling yourselves guys, plain and simple. You don't know what it's like to play vs forge fast-expand, for example. How can you claim being some kind of macro gosu if you don't even play against PvZ's most standard opener?
I played a bit of random myself. When I spawned TvZ, guess what, the other guy didn't even hatch first, for fear of some ZvZ build order loss (why would he risk hatching first against a most likely lesser Z?). So all the TvZ I played were against pool first. What's the standard in ZvT guys? Hatch first, that's right, not the crappy build you're always playing against in TvZ.
Nexus first in TvP? I bet you didn't ever see that one with your T right? "Normal scrub" Terrans scratch their heads trying to know how to keep up with/punish it.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples in all matchups.

Please don't come at us with that "I know 3 races and I'm the shit" kind of attitude.
You know 9 lesser and distorted versions of all matchups, is all what you know. It's good, but it's not the full game. You might be a good player, but you're a good ZvWankyGatewayExpands player, not a good ZvP player, and won't ever be acknowledged as such, with Blizzard's current system.

On February 24 2012 02:55 ZenithM wrote:


See, this is what I don't like with random players.
The non-cheesy ones are even worse than the cheesers. They think of them as some kind of big shots because they "master 3 races" and beat scrubs who only know 1 race in "macro games".

Well, you're fooling yourselves guys, plain and simple. You don't know what it's like to play vs forge fast-expand, for example. How can you claim being some kind of macro gosu if you don't even play against PvZ's most standard opener?
I played a bit of random myself. When I spawned TvZ, guess what, the other guy didn't even hatch first, for fear of some ZvZ build order loss (why would he risk hatching first against a most likely lesser Z?). So all the TvZ I played were against pool first. What's the standard in ZvT guys? Hatch first, that's right, not the crappy build you're always playing against in TvZ.
Nexus first in TvP? I bet you didn't ever see that one with your T right? "Normal scrub" Terrans scratch their heads trying to know how to keep up with/punish it.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples in all matchups.

Please don't come at us with that "I know 3 races and I'm the shit" kind of attitude.
You know 9 lesser and distorted versions of all matchups, is all what you know. It's good, but it's not the full game. You might be a good player, but you're a good ZvWankyGatewayExpands player, not a good ZvP player, and won't ever be acknowledged as such, with Blizzard's current system.

On February 24 2012 03:05 sc2superfan101 wrote:
personally, i love random players. i am a very mannered person though, and i always try to respect my opponent as much as possible, even if they bm me. i have noticed that a "glhf " usually stops the bm before it starts though. but on the subject of random players: i think they are very brave. if i didn't suck with the other two races i would go random every time.

edit: i wonder if the "theoretical best player" would be random...?

On February 24 2012 03:10 Emix_Squall wrote:



And this is where you are fooling yourself big boy ... we might not face this kind of builds as often but we can still do some of these builds ourself since we got the information ... and playing with a build means loosing and winning with it, implying that at some point we might understand it's weaknesses and strengths.

What you just wrote was just a ridiculous attempt to justify your losses against Random players .... "It's not my fault, it's just this twisted version of the match-up that got me behind"

On February 24 2012 02:55 ZenithM wrote:


See, this is what I don't like with random players.
The non-cheesy ones are even worse than the cheesers. They think of them as some kind of big shots because they "master 3 races" and beat scrubs who only know 1 race in "macro games".

Well, you're fooling yourselves guys, plain and simple. You don't know what it's like to play vs forge fast-expand, for example. How can you claim being some kind of macro gosu if you don't even play against PvZ's most standard opener?
I played a bit of random myself. When I spawned TvZ, guess what, the other guy didn't even hatch first, for fear of some ZvZ build order loss (why would he risk hatching first against a most likely lesser Z?). So all the TvZ I played were against pool first. What's the standard in ZvT guys? Hatch first, that's right, not the crappy build you're always playing against in TvZ.
Nexus first in TvP? I bet you didn't ever see that one with your T right? "Normal scrub" Terrans scratch their heads trying to know how to keep up with/punish it.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples in all matchups.

Please don't come at us with that "I know 3 races and I'm the shit" kind of attitude.
You know 9 lesser and distorted versions of all matchups, is all what you know. It's good, but it's not the full game. You might be a good player, but you're a good ZvWankyGatewayExpands player, not a good ZvP player, and won't ever be acknowledged as such, with Blizzard's current system.

On February 24 2012 02:55 ZenithM wrote:


See, this is what I don't like with random players.
The non-cheesy ones are even worse than the cheesers. They think of them as some kind of big shots because they "master 3 races" and beat scrubs who only know 1 race in "macro games".

Well, you're fooling yourselves guys, plain and simple. You don't know what it's like to play vs forge fast-expand, for example. How can you claim being some kind of macro gosu if you don't even play against PvZ's most standard opener?
I played a bit of random myself. When I spawned TvZ, guess what, the other guy didn't even hatch first, for fear of some ZvZ build order loss (why would he risk hatching first against a most likely lesser Z?). So all the TvZ I played were against pool first. What's the standard in ZvT guys? Hatch first, that's right, not the crappy build you're always playing against in TvZ.
Nexus first in TvP? I bet you didn't ever see that one with your T right? "Normal scrub" Terrans scratch their heads trying to know how to keep up with/punish it.
I'm sure there are plenty of other examples in all matchups.

Please don't come at us with that "I know 3 races and I'm the shit" kind of attitude.
You know 9 lesser and distorted versions of all matchups, is all what you know. It's good, but it's not the full game. You might be a good player, but you're a good ZvWankyGatewayExpands player, not a good ZvP player, and won't ever be acknowledged as such, with Blizzard's current system.

On February 24 2012 03:06 Arghmyliver wrote:


Solution.

1. Select Worker. Hotkey.

2. Right click one of the other spawns on minimap. Hold shift, right click each other spawn.

3. You have just "scouted" all pros (even SjoW now usu.) use this little-known strategy to gain important info about opponent.