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Still,BW is much more popular than SC2...
BW proleague has many people in yongsan e-stadium..
Souht korea PCbang ranking chart.(by http://www.gametrics.com/)
1.aion
2.sudden attack
3.fifa online2
4.warcraft3
5.starcraft1
6.dungeon&fighter
7.lineage1
8.maple story
9.league of legends
10.world of warcraft
If HOTS(SC2 expansion) release,the situation might be better?
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If your thread gets closed, there's a meaning behind it.
Don't create a new one.
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 i dont understand how sc2 is not the best rts behind sc1.
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Oh look, uncecesary drama
>.>
Read Elephant in the Room instead of making this lackluster thread
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Surprised Brood War is below some completely random games and even WC3, what kind of chart is that exactly.
And yes it's truely shocking and unexpected that SC2 didn't replace their national sport, now go look at the rest of the world.
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GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.
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On December 26 2011 21:07 Vaelone wrote:
Surprised Brood War is below some completely random games and even WC3, what kind of chart is that exactly.
And yes it's truely shocking and unexpected that SC2 didn't replace their national sport, now go look at the rest of the world.
WC3 has a lot of popular UMS (esp. in Korea). BW itself probably gets more play than WC3 but this chart can't exactly show that.
On topic: "Not as big as BW" != failure. Many fans of both games would say that SC2 doesn't meet the BW standard currently (ZvT is the only matchup that really amazes like BW, at least for me) but the community behind it is much larger. With time and careful attention (i.e expansions) the game will blossom. Look at WC3's relative success, and by the standards of ex-pro's it can't begin to compare to either starcraft.
Would be nice to see a real post with more content. This probably isn't enough to get decent discussion going.
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On December 26 2011 21:07 Vaelone wrote:
Surprised Brood War is below some completely random games and even WC3, what kind of chart is that exactly.
And yes it's truely shocking and unexpected that SC2 didn't replace their national sport, now go look at the rest of the world.
wc3 probably so far up because of dota
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Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
And a PC bang chart isn't exactly a good measurement for the popularity of a game that's much more restrictive registration-wise than BW.
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On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.
How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.
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On December 26 2011 21:07 Vaelone wrote:
Surprised Brood War is below some completely random games and even WC3, what kind of chart is that exactly.
And yes it's truely shocking and unexpected that SC2 didn't replace their national sport, now go look at the rest of the world.
Dota is pretty popular in malaysia however sc2 , around 1 or 2 individual playing 5v5 , seems like sc2 hasn't struck popularity as it did when broodwar was released in the year 1998 in malaysia .
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On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.
Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?
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So, according to your chart, wc3 is more played than sc1? the fuck? (must be some dota)
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why did you remake this thread, it will still be closed.
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On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.
Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea.
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I would say GOM failed in Korea. It's their job to promote it and they would benefit the most from it, also surprising w3 higher than BW ?! I'm starting to doubt that list.
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On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea.
That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs.
I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop.
Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans.
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On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream.
If you provide the _best_ content, you'll get the most pay. There is no other tournament with the quality of play that GOM has, and that's a fact.
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On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?
Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this?
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On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this?
ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks.
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1.aion
2.sudden attack
3.fifa online2
6.dungeon&fighter
7.lineage1
8.maple story
9.league of legends
Do Koreans hate fun? i mean look at this! dont they get all the games we get over there?
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I see you put a lot of thought behind your post.
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On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans.
Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar .
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On December 26 2011 21:27 Ryps wrote:
I would say GOM failed in Korea. It's their job to promote it and they would benefit the most from it, also surprising w3 higher than BW ?! I'm starting to doubt that list.
whats so surprising MMOs have been plaguing Korean PC baangs for so long.
and WC3 is high because of all the UMSes that it has compared to BW.
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awesome, we really needed another SC1 vs SC2 thread because.... they really do useful things for TL.net?..
EDIT: Lol at lineage and Warcraft3, Seriously. haha.
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Not you particularly, Sawamura or Itsmedudeman. I am just tired and wary of the kind of nonsense that the OP want to incite again (twice, check his history). It's almost 2012, TL is better than that.
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On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks.
Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel.
Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc?
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On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD?
And blizzard takes money from foreign tournaments, with total biscuit saying 100% advertisement revenue, while sponsoring gsl prize money... will you guys try to protest them too?
They're adamant in trying to promote SC2 in Korea, I'd say. Does it mean that BW's once multi billion dollar industry still ecplises in revenues those 180 countries SCII is able to reach out to currently? Who knows...
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On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc?
the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing.
yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true.
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On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc?
http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/
The gomtv.net (the foreigner/English/Tastosis) VODs receive 60000 to 160000 views on the average. You can infer how much ticket sales that comes up to, fairly easily, from there.
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this thread is bad and you should feel bad.
Plenty of other threads to talk about it in.
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On December 26 2011 21:40 Headnoob wrote:
this thread is bad and you should feel bad.
Plenty of other threads to talk about it in.
this thread is so bad it makes me want to troll anyone who takes it seriously.
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SC2 has a much smaller casual player group compared to other games. I'm not surprised the ranking worked out to be that way. Also, b.net 2.0 custom game menu fails hard. If they fix it by HotS we could see a significant increase in sc2 players, although probably not in the 1v1 department.
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Wonder if Mods will use this as Jailbait and start banning everyone that posts in it after a certain date and time... It has happened before lol.
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Pretty silly post and point made in the OP.
SC2 is doing just fine, so is SC:BW. That chart is completely irrelevant since in order to play SC2, you actually have to had purchased the game to have your own account, so that's why it isn't so popular in the Korean PC Bangs. Those that will point that it's the same case with Aion or WoW so wrong, since a lot of the internet cafes in my country do have those games as well, but they're usually connected to private servers.
That ain't the case with SC:BW and WC3. So ... What was your point again ? SC2 not doing well in Korean PC Bangs ? I could've told you that without even setting foot in Korea.
But in general - SC2 is doing quite good. Else we wouldn't have had the Korean ladder being so hard and levels above the other regions. As well as all the Korean pros kicking butts left and right in international tournaments.
Seriously OP, you're such a downer. If a game isn't making it into a chart, that doesn't means it's not doing good. Specially a chart like that, where you can look at the rest of the competition and be like "Huh ?! Whatever !".
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Who cares about Korea?
SC2 isn't SC1, it has become a global community and not a single nation-centric sport like BW. The non-Korean scene provides much more high quality standards and Koreans are finally forced to acknowledge that and start to integrate themselves. We don't need 'em, but they need us.
Good thing that we don't have an isolation committee like in old times. Hopefully, we will soon forget the "Korean vs. Foreigner" mentality and can move on to [team] player vs. [team] player.
I am quite glad that Star2 isn't that popular to be overregulated.
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On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc? the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing. yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true.
I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those?
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couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_<
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On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar .
Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you?
On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_<
Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW.
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On December 26 2011 21:44 Lavi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc? the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing. yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true. I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those?
you need it to watch on your PC, but for your smartphone if you have the korean gomtv app, you can watch the vods on it without any trouble.
On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW.
they were really really bad when they switched.
I'll correct him by saying that its full of failed SC1 players and washed up pros.
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On December 26 2011 21:44 corvaleur wrote:
SC2 isn't SC1, it has become a global community and not a single nation-centric sport like BW. The non-Korean scene provides much more high quality standards and Koreans are finally forced to acknowledge that and start to integrate themselves. We don't need 'em, but they need us.
In what way has non-Korean scene provide much more high quality standards? The standards/level of play is still highest in GSL. The production time is still higher in GSL. The exposure is still highest in GSL. Korea is only tapping the foreign market because there's an opportunity to make a profit but the truth is SC2 can become self sustainable like many other games that's practically only touched in Asia.
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The Korean gom is filled with ads. So take it as you wish.
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On December 26 2011 21:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
why did you remake this thread, it will still be closed.
Think it only got closed due to fomos content.
However I would like to see more into this, OP
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On December 26 2011 21:50 Herper wrote:
The Korean gom is filled with ads. So take it as you wish.
I'd rather watch ADs than look at a blank stage with the production crew moving around.
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On December 26 2011 21:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:44 Lavi wrote:On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc? the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing. yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true. I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those? you need it to watch on your PC, but for your smartphone if you have the korean gomtv app, you can watch the vods on it without any trouble. Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. they were really really bad when they switched. I'll correct him by saying that its full of failed SC1 players and washed up pros.
I find it interesting that the korean GOM site has a million hits for the blizzard cup finals. (around 700k for the GSL finals). But where are these fans when it comes to being at the live events?
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1.aion
OH noes !!! how could they ???
Can we take Korea even seriously after reading the first line ??? Perhaps we should initiate some quarentene procedures XD
Joke aside, we dont know how accurate the data is and what this ranking actually measured. And you should define something measureable that determines fail and success from your point of view and explain it.
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On December 26 2011 21:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Lavi wrote:On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc? the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing. yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true. I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those? you need it to watch on your PC, but for your smartphone if you have the korean gomtv app, you can watch the vods on it without any trouble. On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. they were really really bad when they switched. I'll correct him by saying that its full of failed SC1 players and washed up pros. I find it interesting that the korean GOM site has a million hits for the blizzard cup finals. (around 700k for the GSL finals). But where are these fans when it comes to being at the live events?
GOM be fudging numbers?
then again the Jin Air OSL finals had about 3.4 mil in the chinese stream...which was later revealed as bullshit.
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SCII will never diverge away from korea, no matter how unpopular it is there. Of course the level of skill is higher there even for SC2, but besides that blizzard is looking at a potential giant piece of the pie in korea. Even today BW could still potentially be a billion dollar industry (probably)... and just for perspective it 'only' cost activision 18 billion to buy blizzard in the first place.
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On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW.
there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to.
name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ?
july nada boxer forgg ?
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On December 26 2011 21:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Lavi wrote:On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc? the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing. yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true. I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those? you need it to watch on your PC, but for your smartphone if you have the korean gomtv app, you can watch the vods on it without any trouble. On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. they were really really bad when they switched. I'll correct him by saying that its full of failed SC1 players and washed up pros. I find it interesting that the korean GOM site has a million hits for the blizzard cup finals. (around 700k for the GSL finals). But where are these fans when it comes to being at the live events?
VOD numbers, when not behind a paywall, may not necessarily mean that much in term of inferring audience size. For example, this random IEM vod has over 1m views.
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On December 26 2011 21:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Lavi wrote:On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc? the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing. yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true. I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those? you need it to watch on your PC, but for your smartphone if you have the korean gomtv app, you can watch the vods on it without any trouble. On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. they were really really bad when they switched. I'll correct him by saying that its full of failed SC1 players and washed up pros. I find it interesting that the korean GOM site has a million hits for the blizzard cup finals. (around 700k for the GSL finals). But where are these fans when it comes to being at the live events?
You know you can watch the whole finals in the Korean site right? That's how I watched the Blizzard Cup finals, otherwise I could only watch the first set.
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On December 26 2011 21:59 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:47 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Lavi wrote:On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:
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How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc? the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing. yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true. I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those? you need it to watch on your PC, but for your smartphone if you have the korean gomtv app, you can watch the vods on it without any trouble. On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. they were really really bad when they switched. I'll correct him by saying that its full of failed SC1 players and washed up pros. I find it interesting that the korean GOM site has a million hits for the blizzard cup finals. (around 700k for the GSL finals). But where are these fans when it comes to being at the live events? VOD numbers, when not behind a paywall, may not necessarily mean that much in term of inferring audience size. For example, this random IEM vod has over 1m views.
That video has been around for over a year and youtube is much more accessible than the GOM vods, especially when you factor in the fact that korea is just 1 country, and youtube videos can attract a lot of non sc2 viewers. Of course the paywall is a deterrent, but 700k-1 million hits is a lot more than what most people would have expected from korea.
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Korea has established TV producers and shit. Of course it'll take a few years before the shift even begins.
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Wc3 UMS's are worlds ahead of any other UMS, Don't know how that happened or why but my guess its a combination of acceptable graphics and a game engine that is good enough to not have retard errors (dragoons anyone?) but not so "advanced" ur battle groups naturally try to become balls no matter what u do.
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On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea.
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wow, Lineage1 still so much played :O
i was sad when they closed the ''NA'' servers (rest of the world more like it)
but couldn't find a way to play on a KR server (because of social ID needed to make acc)
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Fifa Online 2 in the top3? What the...
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Because in all PC bangs you dont need to pay separately for MMORPG games and obviously wc3,LOL, sc1 is free. While u gotta pay for your sc2 account so basically in order to play sc2. In pc bang u gotta first purchase sc2 then hourly rate. Isnt it obvious why sc2 is not on the list LOL?. Im sure most sc2 users play the game from home.
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On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ?
Lol, yeah Boxer isn't playing full-time, especially now he's in Code S. Ditto for Nada.
That's a really shitty point to have, how many BW players are actually good? In comparison, how many never accomplished anything? The vast majority, no? Btw you can only answer these questions in relation to the first year of BW, where games were incomparably shittier than the first year of SC2.
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you can't compare a game that's been out for like 13 years to a game thats 1½ years old. Also, sc2 is international, and im pretty fucking sure it has a larger audience overall.
edit: bw is still great though
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I cant believe they still play lineage1.. Is lineage 2 dead because of Aion?
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On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea.
That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world.
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On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ?
MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more?
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WC3 is so fr up the charts for that stupid Naruto mod they play...like seriously I walked into a PC room once and 20 computers were playing the same game -.-
However I did start to see more people play SC2 before I came back! SC1 is so popular because for kids they don't need ID cards to make accounts so that makes it easier....also Koreans in general think that SC2 is too hard and they don't want to play it...however when they play a little bit they enjoy it
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Someone should put up a poll and keep a score in this thread of what side is in the lead argument wise between SC1 and SC2.
EDIT. what, Warcraft3 has a Naruto mod? holy shit must download and try it, sounds awesome!
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On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more?
NESTEA GOOD AT BW?
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On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world.
He put up more precise information than you did at least.
On December 26 2011 22:05 dde wrote:
Because in all PC bangs you dont need to pay separately for MMORPG games and obviously wc3,LOL, sc1 is free. While u gotta pay for your sc2 account so basically in order to play sc2. In pc bang u gotta first purchase sc2 then hourly rate. Isnt it obvious why sc2 is not on the list LOL?. Im sure most sc2 users play the game from home.
Well, then it is understandable.
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On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW?
NESTEA good at SC2??
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On December 26 2011 22:12 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW? NESTEA good at SC2??
no.
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On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW?
Anyone on that list really.... lol....
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On December 26 2011 21:43 Integra wrote:
Wonder if Mods will use this as Jailbait and start banning everyone that posts in it after a certain date and time... It has happened before lol.
Oh yeah I remember that!
Link to the thread please? :S
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On December 26 2011 22:12 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW? NESTEA good at SC2??
TROLL
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49626 Posts
On December 26 2011 22:13 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 22:09 MrMercuG wrote:On December 26 2011 21:59 Silidons wrote:On December 26 2011 21:45 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:33 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 21:27 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. Combine all those countries and it's still far less than what BW is in korea. That's besides the point. Even if SC2 die tomorrow, BW's glory days won't come back. The viewership that tune in to StarCraft 2 today will just move on to the mobas or the MMOs. I am still awe struck that nearly two years in, TL is still having this conversation. BW is downsizing because of reasons other than the sequel, a decline that begun in 2005 or so that hasn't reversed its course. So stop. Remember BW fans, the site you spent your time hating on SC2 fans on is bankrolled by SC2 fans. Whose hating sc2 fans ? I will support any sc2 fan as long they acknowledge that broodwar is the one which start the ball rolling for their awesome game . As long proleague is kicking , I will never stop watching broodwar . Um... what? First, I don't see anyone denying that a game with a fucking 2 on its title comes from the success of a previous game. Second, why is that so important for you? On December 26 2011 21:44 Silidons wrote:
couldn't you tell already due to the fact that SC2 is full of failed sc1 pro's?
not trying to hurt the players...but it's the truth
i want sc1 to keep doing well...i enjoy both playing and watching it. i'm just too noob to be good at it >_< Yes, Boxer, July and Nada were complete failures at BW. there are a few exceptions. also forgg was good. BUT, the current scene is FULL of the not-so-good ones...MC for example. obviously there are a FEW exceptions, but then we see that these players are not on the top of their game...also boxer hasn't been a full-time player, nada has been opening up his store etc, but yeah i guess if you want you can say the sc2 pro scene is full of bonjwa's if you want to. name me more than 5 people who were good at sc1 and now play sc2 ? july nada boxer forgg ? MVP, NesTea, Ret, Tyler, MMA, Ganzi, Ryung.... need to name more? NESTEA GOOD AT BW? Anyone on that list really.... lol....
Tyler was a beast.[/fanboy]
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It's a real shame blizzard's killed popularity in korea by restricting the game's usage in PC bangs. I am yet to see sc2 being playing in a net cafe here, the stats are hardly surprising. If you can't get enough grass roots support here then it's never going to take off in terms of mainstream sponsors the way BW did (other than blizzard) and it shows in the studio crowds.
The expansion won't change anything. I feel SC2 on free to air TV would help alot, Gom just doesn't cut it here. OGN is a must at some point if you want to reach a bigger fanbase.
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On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174.
^ this.
Maybe SC2 won't become the new eSport to look for in Korea but maybe it will become THE eSport to look for in way more countries in the western scene in the future. I wouldn't mind that much tbh.
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On December 26 2011 22:11 Amanebak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world. He put up more precise information than you did at least.
Go read the statistics of MLG and then come back.
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On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world.
China population is much more larger than some countries so yeah china isn't the whole world ...
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The game is only 1 year geez...
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To be fair to the OP as some seem to be doubting the validity of his PC Bang ranking...
I found a south korean ranking of the most searched games a few months back, and it was pretty much the same as his PC Bang list, minus WC3/SC1 etc. for obvious reasons (they aren't new games so not searched about recently) and SC2 was also absent from this list, and I believe it was ranked up to 12 spots. Just to clarify that although SC2 could potentially be doing well, it's still well out of the top 10 range in terms of popularity.
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On December 26 2011 22:17 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world. China population is much more larger than some countries so yeah china isn't the whole world ...
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but China obviously isn't the whole world, especially when it comes to developed demographics, which is what we're talking about when discussing eSports.
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Bosnia-Herzegovina114 Posts
On December 26 2011 21:44 Lavi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 21:38 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 21:35 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 26 2011 21:30 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:29 ravemir wrote:On December 26 2011 21:18 Primadog wrote:On December 26 2011 21:14 bmml wrote:On December 26 2011 21:10 Primadog wrote:
GOMTV is watched in over 180 countries, and MLG in 175. I'd rather SC2 to win in 174 countries and fail in 1, than win in 1 and fail in 174. How about a fairer allocation of wealth then, stop the majority of fans paying for the minority's content? #occupyGOM Also fuck their ghetto ass stream. Do you know the Korean stream of GSL is free, completely HD, along with free VOD? Not sure if trolling...can anyone confirm this? ALSO: GSL entry are always free, in fact, they give you pizza and thundersticks. Again, can you confirm free HD vods? Where are you getting this information from exactly? The live stream is free for foreigners, but the korean version is on television which (I admit I don't know for sure) is not a free public channel. Also, foreign money pays for foreign production. You do realize GSL has a lot of sponsors that pays for shit like prize money/etc? the ones they show on TV channels like anibox are basically highlights/rebroadcasts not the actual live thing. yes the korean stream and vods are free. this is 100% true. I take it you need to use a korean proxy to view those?
http://ch.gomtv.com/450/28881/464996
해당 영상은 대한민국 내에서만 시청하실 수 있습니다.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49626 Posts
On December 26 2011 22:19 Corsica wrote:
The game is only 1 year geez...
Vanilla SC/BW had quite a following in its first year too.
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Honestly, I don't care that it hasn't "succeeded" in Korea. It has succeeded everywhere else. It's much bigger than scbw has ever been outside Korea, and that's awesome!
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another game chart
gamenote onlinegame chart(weekly) <- pc bang + home (gametrics <- only pc bang)
1. aion
2. fifa online 2
3. sudden attack
4. dungeon & fighter
5. maple story
6. lineage
7. WOW
8. cyphers online
9. SC 2
10. tera
11. kartrider
12. freestyle football
13. chaos online
14. freestyle 2
15. lineage 2
16. special force 2
17. WC 3
18. SC 1
19. getamped
20. LOL
http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/?search_mode=weekly
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gamenote onlinegame chart(monthly) <- pc bang + home (gametrics <- only pc bang)
1. aion
2. fifa online 2
3. sudden attack
4. lineage
5. dungeon & fighter
6. maple story
7. cyphers online
8. tera
9. lineage 2
10. WOW
11. kartrider
12. freestyle football
13. WC 3
14. SC 2
15. special force 2
16. getamped
17. SC 1
18. CS online
19. AVA
20. audition
http://www.gamenote.com/rank_ongame/?search_mode=monthly
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WOW... Aion is nr1 at PCbangs? Haha I played that, I kinda liked it but too much grinding, never thought it'd keep going on strong... Happy to see it's so popular in Korea still :D...
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On December 26 2011 22:22 jkhiwi wrote:
9. SC 2
18. SC 1
So what's now the excuse? People watch it more than they play it?
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49626 Posts
On December 26 2011 22:23 jkhiwi wrote:
gamenote onlinegame chart(month) <- pc bang + home (gametrick <- only pc bang)
1. aion
2. fifa online 2
3. sudden attack
4. lineage
5. dungeon & fighter
6. maple story
7. cyphers online
8. tera
9. lineage 2
10. WOW
11. kartrider
12. freestyle football
13. WC 3
14. SC 2
15. special force 2
16. getamped
17. SC 1
18. CS online
19. AVA
20. audition
oh wow,thats interesting but I keep getting told that most PC bang charts are bullshit....and this proves it.
On December 26 2011 22:24 GrungyMunchy wrote:So what's now the excuse? People watch it more than they play it?
indeed they do actually,a lot of people who watch BW don't actually play the game.
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I still can't get over that Lineage is so high up lol
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On December 26 2011 22:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:23 jkhiwi wrote:
gamenote onlinegame chart(month) <- pc bang + home (gametrick <- only pc bang)
1. aion
2. fifa online 2
3. sudden attack
4. lineage
5. dungeon & fighter
6. maple story
7. cyphers online
8. tera
9. lineage 2
10. WOW
11. kartrider
12. freestyle football
13. WC 3
14. SC 2
15. special force 2
16. getamped
17. SC 1
18. CS online
19. AVA
20. audition oh wow,thats interesting but I keep getting told that most PC bang charts are bullshit....and this proves it.
Your favourite game isn't in the top 10 of the most played game charts --> BULLSHIT !!!!
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On December 26 2011 22:20 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:17 Sawamura wrote:On December 26 2011 22:07 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 26 2011 22:04 endy wrote:On December 26 2011 21:12 GrungyMunchy wrote:
Starcraft, with SC2, isn't about Korea anymore. It's about the whole world.
We play even less SC2 in China than in Korea. That's great but contrary to what you think China isn't the whole world. China population is much more larger than some countries so yeah china isn't the whole world ... I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but China obviously isn't the whole world, especially when it comes to developed demographics, which is what we're talking about when discussing eSports.
Please define "the whole world". I already know that the set of states does not include China, S Korea and Malaysia.
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On December 26 2011 22:24 GrungyMunchy wrote:So what's now the excuse? People watch it more than they play it?
Yes? That's why it's the greatest esport in existence because it attracts a lot of viewers whether they play the game often or not. It's a great spectator sport, as is football in the US.
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Failed...really? where was BW in its first year i wonder...
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Such a troll thread lol xD
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49626 Posts
On December 26 2011 22:26 BlitzerSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2011 22:25 BLinD-RawR wrote:On December 26 2011 22:23 jkhiwi wrote:
gamenote onlinegame chart(month) <- pc bang + home (gametrick <- only pc bang)
1. aion
2. fifa online 2
3. sudden attack
4. lineage
5. dungeon & fighter
6. maple story
7. cyphers online
8. tera
9. lineage 2
10. WOW
11. kartrider
12. freestyle football
13. WC 3
14. SC 2
15. special force 2
16. getamped
17. SC 1
18. CS online
19. AVA
20. audition oh wow,thats interesting but I keep getting told that most PC bang charts are bullshit....and this proves it. Your favourite game isn't in the top 10 of the most played game charts --> BULLSHIT !!!!
dafuq?
do you see how much the charts from these websites differ from?
thats why I call bullshit,the fuck if I care how little people play BW because I know how much koreans love their MMOs.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Don't need another one of these threads.
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