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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 04:49 pezit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:42 Vasily17 wrote:
For all the people who are saying there not going to buy the year pass for GSL because of this are ridiculous. if your were going to buy a year full of game because of one player who at any point can be knocked down to code B in one season is silly. and also he could make back in to code S by next season cause he still has a code A spot i believe. I'm sorry but do you seriously not understand? It's not because we just want to see Naniwa but it's about not supporting an organization that makes these kind of decisions.
Why not? Do you wish to see more players behaving like this in the next upcoming matches? For someone to do the exact same thing Naniwa did, knowing the consequences naniwa took, I myself would gladly ban that person from GSL along with the next players who follow in Naniwas footsteps. Why would you not support this decision?
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On December 15 2011 04:53 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:52 Krymming wrote:
Pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules.
But that's just my opinion It is pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules, you are right. Good thing GOMtv has a set of rules, one of which naniwa DID break, thereby earning his code S revocation.
The rule he broke seems absolutely subjective, so don't speak in absolutes.
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On December 15 2011 04:53 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:52 Krymming wrote:
Pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules.
But that's just my opinion It is pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules, you are right. Good thing GOMtv has a set of rules, one of which naniwa DID break, thereby earning his code S revocation.
If Naniwa had won the game because of some weird occurrence where nestea accidentally move commanded his workers too long, none of this would have happened.
Thus the "rules" would have been ignored, because the fans would have been happy and laughing.
Think about THATfor a while.
Exactly why ambiguous rules don't belong in any sport.
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On December 15 2011 04:54 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:46 ranshaked wrote:
How is this situation any different than a professional sports team sitting their best players before the playoffs? Or when a game is blown out and the left fielder comes in to pitch...
It was a useless game, and all sports have them. Read the thread. It's completely different because even if you use 3rd string players in a pointless game, you're still playing the fucking game and trying to win. Naniwa was essentially not playing the game at all, or, if you want to be 100% technical and say that he was physically playing the game, he threw it, which is comparable to match-fixing. And you could say last year when the patriots i believe didn't start their A team against a team that was vowing for a playoff spot. If the patriots had played their best team, then the other team would have lost and never gotten into the playoffs. Or in baseball when the #1 team plays a playoff contender, but chooses to rest their players because they've clinched the seed...meanwhile they throw the game with their 3rd string players and let the opposing team have an easy win. Naniwa did this in ONE game out of how many? This happens all the time in sports.
THOSE TEAMS STILL PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME THAT THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO PLAY. THEY DIDN'T JUST WALK OFF THE FIELD.
Fuck people, read the thread.
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On December 15 2011 02:59 windsupernova wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 02:56 Whitewing wrote:On December 15 2011 02:53 Velocirapture wrote:On December 15 2011 01:41 Slin wrote:On December 15 2011 01:36 ForgottenOne wrote:
All I can think is how I payed good money for the tournament, in part to see Nestea and Naniwa clash. Then I wait for hours to see this game. Then Naniwa pissed all over my money and time because he cannot suck it up and play a 15 minutes game.
On the other side, Gom are doing their best to enforce hard rules and to ensure tournaments get better and better each time and to protect my interests.
To conclude, if anything, these kinds of decisions from Gom should make you realize how serious they are and to thrust them more and want even more so subscribe and support them. I mean, do you even realize how many efforts did they make to give cheap and easy (compared to going through code A qualifiers) good spots to foreigners.
Then you should be mad at GSL. They should have some kind of price money difference between going 0-4 and 1-3 if they expect the players at 0-3 to play seriously. Am I the only one who doesnt have to be told by my boss to do my job or offered separate financial compensation for each action I take in the day? If I agree to do something for my boss I do it. If it takes longer than I expected to finish then it is on me. If GOM lied to Naniwa about his obligations (saying he could take walk overs or something) then the fan boys have a case but I have seen nothing hinting to that. Pro gamers are entertainers, so do your jobs. Difference is, you get paid for doing your job, and you'd get fired if you don't. Naniwa had no expectation of getting 'fired' (and the fact that did get punished in a similar fashion is irrelevant, he didn't expect it, and you do have that expectation). Naniwa was not going to get paid for putting in the effort, and didn't think he'd suffer a punishment, so under that logic, what's wrong with it? Yeah, he screwed up, no, it wasn't good logic, but that was his thought process at the time. He gets paid by his team to compete. He got a part of the prize pool for the Blizzcup. He definitively was payed to play the freaking game
There was no prize difference between going 3-1 and going 0-4. That particular match was irrelevant. So no, he wasn't paid to play that game. Notice that he busted his balls for the first three games and played his ass off, and all 3 were really heartbreaking games.
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On December 15 2011 04:55 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:15 ExO_ wrote:On December 15 2011 04:12 kappadevin wrote:
People are too busy looking at the individual event here too much. It wasn't the fact that he probe rushed that really set people off, it's the fact that he so clearly and blatantly threw the game. People who play showmatches don't have anything at stake, so should it be allowable for them to just throw those games completely?
There shouldn't need to be an explicit rule about this kind of behavior: it should be self explanatory. Imagine you tuned into a football game where one team had no possibility of making the playoffs and they decide to just not play any defense for the rest of the game. It's about respecting you opponent, your fans, and your tournament. He wasn't expected to play his fingers off, but he should at least have the respect for NesTea to give him a legitimate game.
Look at Choya. He was playing rock paper scissors against people for ladder games, and EVEN THOUGH that wasn't even affiliated with GOM at all, he received a ban from the GSTL. Are you going to argue there should have been a specific rule saying you can't rock paper scissors on the ladder? I hope this whole thing gives Naniwa a wake up call to fix his attitude. He "should" give NesTea a good game sure. But by no means does he have to. He is his own player, and his audience can't tell him how to play his games. I hate how everybody here just presumes he should have to do what they want for them. Bullshit. he can do what he wants. on the other hand, booting him from GSL, without any real rules broken is bullshit and a huge violation of GSL's duty. You can't just kick a player out because they don't like what they did....or evidently you can. Watch out IdrA, GSL might kick you out if you do something they don't like. Yea, NaNiwa can do whatever he wants. GOMtv can also do whatever they want. They both live with the consequences of their actions. You really aren't making a point. GOM is an independent league and they can accept and deny whoever they want. They were going to invite NaNiwa and now they aren't. Who are you to tell them what to do?
I'm not telling them what to do, I'm arguing what they can't do. And by banning a player just because he was disrespectful to you, is showing disrespect to all players. He earned his GSL spot, but is being told he won't get it. How would you like it as a player if you earned a GSL spot, but where told you cannot have it? That's what I'm against. I don't care about Naniwa. I care about what's being set here.
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On December 15 2011 04:55 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:53 hunts wrote:On December 15 2011 04:52 Krymming wrote:
Pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules.
But that's just my opinion It is pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules, you are right. Good thing GOMtv has a set of rules, one of which naniwa DID break, thereby earning his code S revocation. What if GOM had a rule stating "if we don't like the color shoes you are wearing, you will be banned" Would that be legitimate? The are interpreting a rule that was meant to apply to situations like in game abusive language, and ridiculous ceremonies, etc...and apply it to a situation which it Doesn't fit at all.
You're using a strawman argument now, please stop. The bottom line is he broke the rules, he got the punishment. All you people trying to defend him sound like little kids trying to get out of detention with silly analogies. Yes they probably didn't cite the best rule, but if you honestly think that intentionally throwing games isn't against the rules then you are sorely misinformed.
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On December 15 2011 04:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:54 ranshaked wrote:On December 15 2011 04:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:46 ranshaked wrote:
How is this situation any different than a professional sports team sitting their best players before the playoffs? Or when a game is blown out and the left fielder comes in to pitch...
It was a useless game, and all sports have them. Read the thread. It's completely different because even if you use 3rd string players in a pointless game, you're still playing the fucking game and trying to win. Naniwa was essentially not playing the game at all, or, if you want to be 100% technical and say that he was physically playing the game, he threw it, which is comparable to match-fixing. And you could say last year when the patriots i believe didn't start their A team against a team that was vowing for a playoff spot. If the patriots had played their best team, then the other team would have lost and never gotten into the playoffs. Or in baseball when the #1 team plays a playoff contender, but chooses to rest their players because they've clinched the seed...meanwhile they throw the game with their 3rd string players and let the opposing team have an easy win. Naniwa did this in ONE game out of how many? This happens all the time in sports.
THOSE TEAMS STILL PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME THAT THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO PLAY. THEY DIDN'T JUST WALK OFF THE FIELD.Fuck people, read the thread.
Naniwa still played the game. He showed up and ordered his units. Stop arguing this point. It would be different if he wasn't in the booth sitting down playing the game. But he did show up and choose to play the game in a horrible way. But still played it
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On December 15 2011 04:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:54 ranshaked wrote:On December 15 2011 04:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:46 ranshaked wrote:
How is this situation any different than a professional sports team sitting their best players before the playoffs? Or when a game is blown out and the left fielder comes in to pitch...
It was a useless game, and all sports have them. Read the thread. It's completely different because even if you use 3rd string players in a pointless game, you're still playing the fucking game and trying to win. Naniwa was essentially not playing the game at all, or, if you want to be 100% technical and say that he was physically playing the game, he threw it, which is comparable to match-fixing. And you could say last year when the patriots i believe didn't start their A team against a team that was vowing for a playoff spot. If the patriots had played their best team, then the other team would have lost and never gotten into the playoffs. Or in baseball when the #1 team plays a playoff contender, but chooses to rest their players because they've clinched the seed...meanwhile they throw the game with their 3rd string players and let the opposing team have an easy win. Naniwa did this in ONE game out of how many? This happens all the time in sports.
THOSE TEAMS STILL PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME THAT THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO PLAY. THEY DIDN'T JUST WALK OFF THE FIELD.Fuck people, read the thread.
Why are you getting so pissed off? naniwa played the game. The game started, the game finished...Someone won, and someone lost...It's all the same. Especially since him losing this game didn't affect anything what so ever. I wouldn't have even played the game. What's the point? Clearly there was a flaw in the system. Blame the system, not the player.
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On December 15 2011 04:52 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:46 ranshaked wrote:
How is this situation any different than a professional sports team sitting their best players before the playoffs? Or when a game is blown out and the left fielder comes in to pitch...
It was a useless game, and all sports have them. Read the thread. It's completely different because even if you use 3rd string players in a pointless game, you're still playing the fucking game and trying to win. Naniwa was essentially not playing the game at all, or, if you want to be 100% technical and say that he was physically playing the game, he threw it, which is comparable to match-fixing. You think playing 3rd string players is trying to win? Trying to win would be playing 1st stringers every game, whether it matters or not. To give the fans a good showing, and to be respectful to the other team. Does this sound familiar?
Not sure why people are trying to draw parallels to other sports. It doesn't work. In your example:
For teams that have already made the playoffs, they play 3rd stringers because they don't want their starters to get hurt, and so they can rest up for the games that "matter." This would be like Naniwa probe rushing because he doesn't want to get carpal tunnel. Obviously not the case.
For teams that have already been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, they play 3rd stringers because they want their backups to get experience. This would be like Naniwa probe rushing because he really wants to get good at probe rushing but doesn't want to use it in a game that "matters."
Neither of those analogies work for this case. Naniwa did a garbage strategy, that won't work, ever, and completely gave up in a game he could have won if he played it to its entirety. That is match-fixing, and is punishable by GOM.
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On December 15 2011 04:54 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:46 ranshaked wrote:
How is this situation any different than a professional sports team sitting their best players before the playoffs? Or when a game is blown out and the left fielder comes in to pitch...
It was a useless game, and all sports have them. Read the thread. It's completely different because even if you use 3rd string players in a pointless game, you're still playing the fucking game and trying to win. Naniwa was essentially not playing the game at all, or, if you want to be 100% technical and say that he was physically playing the game, he threw it, which is comparable to match-fixing. And you could say last year when the patriots i believe didn't start their A team against a team that was vowing for a playoff spot. If the patriots had played their best team, then the other team would have lost and never gotten into the playoffs. Or in baseball when the #1 team plays a playoff contender, but chooses to rest their players because they've clinched the seed...meanwhile they throw the game with their 3rd string players and let the opposing team have an easy win. Naniwa did this in ONE game out of how many? This happens all the time in sports.
It's not the same at all. Not even a single bit. When teams field their second or third string players, those players still play with intensity and a competitive attitude. There is no comparison of what NaNiwa did to competitive sports beyond simply giving up and not playing the game.
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On December 15 2011 04:57 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:55 SupLilSon wrote:On December 15 2011 04:15 ExO_ wrote:On December 15 2011 04:12 kappadevin wrote:
People are too busy looking at the individual event here too much. It wasn't the fact that he probe rushed that really set people off, it's the fact that he so clearly and blatantly threw the game. People who play showmatches don't have anything at stake, so should it be allowable for them to just throw those games completely?
There shouldn't need to be an explicit rule about this kind of behavior: it should be self explanatory. Imagine you tuned into a football game where one team had no possibility of making the playoffs and they decide to just not play any defense for the rest of the game. It's about respecting you opponent, your fans, and your tournament. He wasn't expected to play his fingers off, but he should at least have the respect for NesTea to give him a legitimate game.
Look at Choya. He was playing rock paper scissors against people for ladder games, and EVEN THOUGH that wasn't even affiliated with GOM at all, he received a ban from the GSTL. Are you going to argue there should have been a specific rule saying you can't rock paper scissors on the ladder? I hope this whole thing gives Naniwa a wake up call to fix his attitude. He "should" give NesTea a good game sure. But by no means does he have to. He is his own player, and his audience can't tell him how to play his games. I hate how everybody here just presumes he should have to do what they want for them. Bullshit. he can do what he wants. on the other hand, booting him from GSL, without any real rules broken is bullshit and a huge violation of GSL's duty. You can't just kick a player out because they don't like what they did....or evidently you can. Watch out IdrA, GSL might kick you out if you do something they don't like. Yea, NaNiwa can do whatever he wants. GOMtv can also do whatever they want. They both live with the consequences of their actions. You really aren't making a point. GOM is an independent league and they can accept and deny whoever they want. They were going to invite NaNiwa and now they aren't. Who are you to tell them what to do? I'm not telling them what to do, I'm arguing what they can't do. And by banning a player just because he was disrespectful to you, is showing disrespect to all players. He earned his GSL spot, but is being told he won't get it. How would you like it as a player if you earned a GSL spot, but where told you cannot have it? That's what I'm against. I don't care about Naniwa. I care about what's being set here.
Naniwa intentionally threw a game. Not just tried a crappy strategy, but essentially quit the game as soon as it start because his strategy had 0% chance of winning and he knew it. Everyone and their mother in every sport in the world knows that this is against the rules. There shouldn't be any argument about if he broke a rule. He did, he got punished.
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On December 15 2011 04:58 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:55 ExO_ wrote:On December 15 2011 04:53 hunts wrote:On December 15 2011 04:52 Krymming wrote:
Pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules.
But that's just my opinion It is pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules, you are right. Good thing GOMtv has a set of rules, one of which naniwa DID break, thereby earning his code S revocation. What if GOM had a rule stating "if we don't like the color shoes you are wearing, you will be banned" Would that be legitimate? The are interpreting a rule that was meant to apply to situations like in game abusive language, and ridiculous ceremonies, etc...and apply it to a situation which it Doesn't fit at all. You're using a strawman argument now, please stop. The bottom line is he broke the rules, he got the punishment. All you people trying to defend him sound like little kids trying to get out of detention with silly analogies. Yes they probably didn't cite the best rule, but if you honestly think that intentionally throwing games isn't against the rules then you are sorely misinformed.
Show me where he broke the rules. Demonstrate to me how what he did broke the rules. If you can do that I will no longer defend him as there would be no need. I want to see actual rule breaking, not a broad, huge interpretation of a rule that clearly was intended to apply to something else and does not apply to the situation at hand.
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On December 15 2011 04:58 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:55 ExO_ wrote:On December 15 2011 04:53 hunts wrote:On December 15 2011 04:52 Krymming wrote:
Pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules.
But that's just my opinion It is pretty silly to punish someone who didn't break any rules, you are right. Good thing GOMtv has a set of rules, one of which naniwa DID break, thereby earning his code S revocation. What if GOM had a rule stating "if we don't like the color shoes you are wearing, you will be banned" Would that be legitimate? The are interpreting a rule that was meant to apply to situations like in game abusive language, and ridiculous ceremonies, etc...and apply it to a situation which it Doesn't fit at all. You're using a strawman argument now, please stop. The bottom line is he broke the rules, he got the punishment. All you people trying to defend him sound like little kids trying to get out of detention with silly analogies. Yes they probably didn't cite the best rule, but if you honestly think that intentionally throwing games isn't against the rules then you are sorely misinformed.
Well then quote the rule if it's in the rules if you're so much better informed. It's not against the rules if the rules don't say much about it. Yes, it was wrong. Is Gom overreacting? Probably. Are people who apply logic and pure logic instead of some moral standards less equal? I doubt it.
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On December 15 2011 04:57 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:55 SupLilSon wrote:On December 15 2011 04:15 ExO_ wrote:On December 15 2011 04:12 kappadevin wrote:
People are too busy looking at the individual event here too much. It wasn't the fact that he probe rushed that really set people off, it's the fact that he so clearly and blatantly threw the game. People who play showmatches don't have anything at stake, so should it be allowable for them to just throw those games completely?
There shouldn't need to be an explicit rule about this kind of behavior: it should be self explanatory. Imagine you tuned into a football game where one team had no possibility of making the playoffs and they decide to just not play any defense for the rest of the game. It's about respecting you opponent, your fans, and your tournament. He wasn't expected to play his fingers off, but he should at least have the respect for NesTea to give him a legitimate game.
Look at Choya. He was playing rock paper scissors against people for ladder games, and EVEN THOUGH that wasn't even affiliated with GOM at all, he received a ban from the GSTL. Are you going to argue there should have been a specific rule saying you can't rock paper scissors on the ladder? I hope this whole thing gives Naniwa a wake up call to fix his attitude. He "should" give NesTea a good game sure. But by no means does he have to. He is his own player, and his audience can't tell him how to play his games. I hate how everybody here just presumes he should have to do what they want for them. Bullshit. he can do what he wants. on the other hand, booting him from GSL, without any real rules broken is bullshit and a huge violation of GSL's duty. You can't just kick a player out because they don't like what they did....or evidently you can. Watch out IdrA, GSL might kick you out if you do something they don't like. Yea, NaNiwa can do whatever he wants. GOMtv can also do whatever they want. They both live with the consequences of their actions. You really aren't making a point. GOM is an independent league and they can accept and deny whoever they want. They were going to invite NaNiwa and now they aren't. Who are you to tell them what to do? I'm not telling them what to do, I'm arguing what they can't do. And by banning a player just because he was disrespectful to you, is showing disrespect to all players. He earned his GSL spot, but is being told he won't get it. How would you like it as a player if you earned a GSL spot, but where told you cannot have it? That's what I'm against. I don't care about Naniwa. I care about what's being set here. Well first of all, they didn't ban him. I don't think punishing him is being disrespectful to others. It's actually being respectful because others respect the spirit of the game. Letting him go on like that would have been a slap in the face to the other players, ie what you see everyone on twitter writing about.
However you look at it, he didn't earn the GSL spot, sen did.
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On December 15 2011 04:59 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:54 ranshaked wrote:On December 15 2011 04:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:46 ranshaked wrote:
How is this situation any different than a professional sports team sitting their best players before the playoffs? Or when a game is blown out and the left fielder comes in to pitch...
It was a useless game, and all sports have them. Read the thread. It's completely different because even if you use 3rd string players in a pointless game, you're still playing the fucking game and trying to win. Naniwa was essentially not playing the game at all, or, if you want to be 100% technical and say that he was physically playing the game, he threw it, which is comparable to match-fixing. And you could say last year when the patriots i believe didn't start their A team against a team that was vowing for a playoff spot. If the patriots had played their best team, then the other team would have lost and never gotten into the playoffs. Or in baseball when the #1 team plays a playoff contender, but chooses to rest their players because they've clinched the seed...meanwhile they throw the game with their 3rd string players and let the opposing team have an easy win. Naniwa did this in ONE game out of how many? This happens all the time in sports.
THOSE TEAMS STILL PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME THAT THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO PLAY. THEY DIDN'T JUST WALK OFF THE FIELD.Fuck people, read the thread. Why are you getting so pissed off? naniwa played the game. The game started, the game finished...Someone won, and someone lost...It's all the same. Especially since him losing this game didn't affect anything what so ever. I wouldn't have even played the game. What's the point? Clearly there was a flaw in the system. Blame the system, not the player.
A professional Tennis player enters the court:
He only does double faults when he has service by hitting the ball into funny directions.
He only does handstands when he should be returning.
Did he play the game?
Theoretically yes.
Would he get punished?
He probably would never ever again set a foot on a professional tennis court.
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On December 15 2011 04:59 ranshaked wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:56 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:54 ranshaked wrote:On December 15 2011 04:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 15 2011 04:46 ranshaked wrote:
How is this situation any different than a professional sports team sitting their best players before the playoffs? Or when a game is blown out and the left fielder comes in to pitch...
It was a useless game, and all sports have them. Read the thread. It's completely different because even if you use 3rd string players in a pointless game, you're still playing the fucking game and trying to win. Naniwa was essentially not playing the game at all, or, if you want to be 100% technical and say that he was physically playing the game, he threw it, which is comparable to match-fixing. And you could say last year when the patriots i believe didn't start their A team against a team that was vowing for a playoff spot. If the patriots had played their best team, then the other team would have lost and never gotten into the playoffs. Or in baseball when the #1 team plays a playoff contender, but chooses to rest their players because they've clinched the seed...meanwhile they throw the game with their 3rd string players and let the opposing team have an easy win. Naniwa did this in ONE game out of how many? This happens all the time in sports.
THOSE TEAMS STILL PLAYED THE FUCKING GAME THAT THEY WERE SCHEDULED TO PLAY. THEY DIDN'T JUST WALK OFF THE FIELD.Fuck people, read the thread. Why are you getting so pissed off? naniwa played the game. The game started, the game finished...Someone won, and someone lost...It's all the same. Especially since him losing this game didn't affect anything what so ever. I wouldn't have even played the game. What's the point? Clearly there was a flaw in the system. Blame the system, not the player.
Because when eight people say the same exact point which has been answered multiple times in this thread it gets tiring. Just like your point has been addressed several times.
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In every sport I know popularity of an athlete is based on skill or nationality. In SC2 popularity is more based on personality. It's like everyone is a 13 y/o girl who thinks Avril's lyrics speaks directly to her. I don't give a rat's ass if Nani has a pleasant personality or not because he has skill and is a skåning. I thought what he did against Nestea was hilarious and I'm positive that if someone more popular had done it people would've thought the same. What Idra did to Zenio for example was imo completely mean spirited and unsportsmanlike on a completely different level compared to this. Yet, people found that hilarious. Double standards is fine though. We all have them in sports. But getting robbed of your code S spot is way too harsh.
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On December 15 2011 04:56 Avril_Lavigne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:49 pezit wrote:On December 15 2011 04:42 Vasily17 wrote:
For all the people who are saying there not going to buy the year pass for GSL because of this are ridiculous. if your were going to buy a year full of game because of one player who at any point can be knocked down to code B in one season is silly. and also he could make back in to code S by next season cause he still has a code A spot i believe. I'm sorry but do you seriously not understand? It's not because we just want to see Naniwa but it's about not supporting an organization that makes these kind of decisions. Why not? Do you wish to see more players behaving like this in the next upcoming matches? For someone to do the exact same thing Naniwa did, knowing the consequences naniwa took, I myself would gladly ban that person from GSL along with the next players who follow in Naniwas footsteps. Why would you not support this decision?
I honestly don't give a fuck if someone does not try in a game that doesn't even matter, what's so hard to understand?
The game should honestly not even have been played, the whole root of the problem is GOMs fucked up group play (why play this worthless game? both were 0-3...)
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On December 15 2011 04:57 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 04:55 SupLilSon wrote:On December 15 2011 04:15 ExO_ wrote:On December 15 2011 04:12 kappadevin wrote:
People are too busy looking at the individual event here too much. It wasn't the fact that he probe rushed that really set people off, it's the fact that he so clearly and blatantly threw the game. People who play showmatches don't have anything at stake, so should it be allowable for them to just throw those games completely?
There shouldn't need to be an explicit rule about this kind of behavior: it should be self explanatory. Imagine you tuned into a football game where one team had no possibility of making the playoffs and they decide to just not play any defense for the rest of the game. It's about respecting you opponent, your fans, and your tournament. He wasn't expected to play his fingers off, but he should at least have the respect for NesTea to give him a legitimate game.
Look at Choya. He was playing rock paper scissors against people for ladder games, and EVEN THOUGH that wasn't even affiliated with GOM at all, he received a ban from the GSTL. Are you going to argue there should have been a specific rule saying you can't rock paper scissors on the ladder? I hope this whole thing gives Naniwa a wake up call to fix his attitude. He "should" give NesTea a good game sure. But by no means does he have to. He is his own player, and his audience can't tell him how to play his games. I hate how everybody here just presumes he should have to do what they want for them. Bullshit. he can do what he wants. on the other hand, booting him from GSL, without any real rules broken is bullshit and a huge violation of GSL's duty. You can't just kick a player out because they don't like what they did....or evidently you can. Watch out IdrA, GSL might kick you out if you do something they don't like. Yea, NaNiwa can do whatever he wants. GOMtv can also do whatever they want. They both live with the consequences of their actions. You really aren't making a point. GOM is an independent league and they can accept and deny whoever they want. They were going to invite NaNiwa and now they aren't. Who are you to tell them what to do? I'm not telling them what to do, I'm arguing what they can't do. And by banning a player just because he was disrespectful to you, is showing disrespect to all players. He earned his GSL spot, but is being told he won't get it. How would you like it as a player if you earned a GSL spot, but where told you cannot have it? That's what I'm against. I don't care about Naniwa. I care about what's being set here.
He didn't earn anything. Being allowed to play in Korea is a privilege and NaNiwa lost that. Simple.
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