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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people.
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On December 15 2011 03:32 Wallstreet11 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:27 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:25 TaKemE wrote:On December 15 2011 03:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 03:07 Master_Blaster wrote:
Not all warriors are Samurais so why make them harakiri even though they don't have the some principles of life? GOM is forcing the korean principles on StarCraft over the foreign scene and i don't actually like that.
You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" Didnt you watch the stream? He DID play FOUR games. Are you dense? not even going to bother. you must be one of the advocates that the probe rush is a legitimate strategy in starcraft 2. But where do you get the idea that he was payed $850 to play 4 games? thats money he won by makeing it into the tournament. he did not win anything, this argument of self entitlement to what's never yours is starting to get ridiculous. gom is not stupid enough to send some guy $850 for winning some random tournament half across the world. he got the money for completing the group stages which he didn't. it's in the rules. He did complete it you fing moron. Where in the rules does it say that 7 probe rush is illegal?
where does it say in the rules that GOM can't take away his code S rights? hey I can pull this "no rule for x" excuse all day too.
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On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 03:07 Master_Blaster wrote:
Not all warriors are Samurais so why make them harakiri even though they don't have the some principles of life? GOM is forcing the korean principles on StarCraft over the foreign scene and i don't actually like that.
You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument"
You ignore that there had to have been a contract between him and GomTV. Since they chose not to use a rule stating "this player has to play at least 4 games", such a rule did not exist. Instead they used a borderline illegal rule, that would not pass in a court of law.
A rule they have never enforced previously, even though if what NaNiWa did can be considered as breaking it, then GomTV have disregarded tens or even hundreds of previous incidents where it was broken, without punishing the players involved.
GomTV has, in addition to acting more arrogant and amateurish than NaNiWa ever has, acted illegally.
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On December 15 2011 03:36 ZAiNs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:34 whereyouat wrote:On December 15 2011 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 dp wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 15 2011 03:05 dp wrote:On December 15 2011 02:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 15 2011 02:50 dp wrote:On December 15 2011 02:47 ToasteR_ wrote:On December 15 2011 02:45 dp wrote:
His personal view on the situation is irrelevant. For example, lets imagine he was invited to a show match where the winner takes $5,000 and the loser takes $2,500. What if his mindset that day is that he only needs $2,500, so the match is meaningless. He probe rushes 3 games outta 5, losing outright. The contract doesn't necessarily state that he has to TRY to win the matches to get paid. You think this is OK? Of a professional? Grow up. Your personal views on the situation don't matter. You are being paid to provide entertainment to fans. If you don't feel the need to do your job, there is a good chance you won't have one.
No one would be satisfied with $2500 when $5000 can be won, your example is terrible. Maybe you are confused. It doesn't matter what you think. Remember? Only what he thinks. Because the world revolves around his mindset. If you can't understand the point of my post, don't respond with mindless dribble. K, thanks, bye. Your analogy is still faulty. Naniwa always plays to win tournaments, and he doesn't care about entertaining audiences. That's the way he is. If he loses, he wants to move on. He doesn't care about pleasing the crowd. He doesn't have the greatest personality (which clearly hurts him in situations like this, as Huk wouldn't have been punished in an identical situation), but he cares about success. The point is that what Naniwa finds to be meaningless at the time is not relevant. He is there to do a job, whether he wants to or not doesn't matter. Whether the outcome matters is irrelavant. If I go to work today and no customers come in, my boss still has to pay he. He can't decide not to. Likewise if I go in tomorrow and don't work while there are customers there, he has the right to fire me. This is how the world works. His personal view on the situation at the time doesn't matter. He did his job. Even if he was contracted to play a game vs. Nestea regardless of their 0-3 records, he sat in the booth and started the game. It's not like he didn't show up. You don't like his strategy? You don't like the lack of entertainment? Tough luck. Plenty of people don't like cheese and all-in strategies any more than a worker rush; they consider not standard play "not even trying". You can't make a person try to win a game that has no meaning for them. He did what he needed to do. No. His job is not to show up. Go ahead, do that at your job. Show up, but don't actually do what you are required to. Go work as a cashier and ring up the first item of 1 person and then stop and sit there. Let me know how that works out for you. A cashier does not have the same job or job description as a pro-gamer, nor is a tournament that you've already lost at related in any way to your first few minutes at a daily job. I'm sorry, but your analogies are all terrible. I guarantee you that if HuK or Sheth or White-Ra or Boxer or any other player who's known for their outstanding personality did something like this in a game that didn't matter towards the outcome of a tournament, it would be brushed aside and no punishment would be given. Huk, Sheth, white-ra and Boxer would NOT do something like this because they are professionals, they want to show the best of their ability when put in the spotlight 100% of the time. They can put their boohoo feelings and emotions aside and man up for the next 7-20 minutes or so since something good can come out of it. I still don't get why people justify Naniwas emo banter. Grow up, grow a pair, this would have a been such a meaningful game in preparation of CODE S to face Nestea in the booth in the spotlight but nope he let his emotions and boohoo feelings get in the way and emo'd out like an unprofessional. They would play more seriously than Naniwa did, but it's just impossible to play 100% when the outcome of the game literally means nothing. Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:35 Trsjnica wrote:On December 15 2011 03:33 justinpal wrote:On December 15 2011 03:31 StarStruck wrote:
Let's put the Johan shit behind us.
I really want to discuss the new rule because it has MORE ramifications than anything else and can be interpreted in many different ways.
It's very vague. The rule is new? So why is NaNi kicked out without being made aware of it? The same reason CoCa got kicked out. I am sure CoCa, while playing his game, didn't think he would get booted from Code S for it. GOM took no action against Coca, the decision was made by Slayers/Boxer.
At the year end championships the top 8 players are invited to play in a round robin tournament. Some players are mathematically eliminated, however they still play out the matches because it is a good form of entertainment for the fans who have come to see the tournament. They also still put out a relatively high amount of effort. It is pretty much the same exact situation, except Naniwa said fuck this shit and just gave the proverbial finger to everyone.
On December 15 2011 03:38 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 03:07 Master_Blaster wrote:
Not all warriors are Samurais so why make them harakiri even though they don't have the some principles of life? GOM is forcing the korean principles on StarCraft over the foreign scene and i don't actually like that.
You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" You ignore that there had to have been a contract between him and GomTV. Since they chose not to use a rule stating "this player has to play at least 4 games", such a rule did not exist. Instead they used a borderline illegal rule, that would not pass in a court of law. A rule they have never enforced previously, even though if what NaNiWa did can be considered as breaking it, then GomTV have disregarded tens or even hundreds of previous incidents where it was broken, without punishing the players involved. GomTV has, in addition to acting more arrogant and amateurish than NaNiWa ever has, acted illegally.
Wrong.
ATP handbook has a rule that is very similar
ATP Rule Book : Code of Conduct for Players
g) Unsportsmanlike Conduct :
..... "Unsportsmanlike conduct is defined as any misconduct by a player that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the success of a tournament, the ATP and/or the Sport."
Try again.
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On December 15 2011 03:35 Snijjer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:33 TheDwf wrote:On December 15 2011 03:29 Hellmutt wrote:
Nothing has 0% of success. You have 2 account for such things as Nestea getting a heart attack before a-moving his drones, a meteor hitting Nestea and things like that. Even though the chance of such a thing happening is probably 0.0000000001% the chance is still there and thus it's not a 0% win strategy. Could you please spare us this kind of nonsense? Have a hard time dealing with FACTS huh?
How about a hard time dealing with nonsense?
Walking into your opponents base with 7 probes and then abandoning micro is not playing the game, that's a straight up throw and would be seen as such by anyone and everyone in every tournament everywhere. Naniwa threw a game he was expected to play professionally for thousands of spectators. He was being paid simply for being present and completing the group stages, he was one game away from doing so but fucked up.
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I am truly shocked by this,
in lots of proffesional sports you will see players/teams underperform in matches that do no t matter, friendlies etc.
i do not see how NaniWa in anyway broke any rule even if he let down some viewers, it is his choice to make, he has no obligations to perform well towards GSL, the only one who might be entitled to dish out a punishment would be his team.
what if hypothetically, NaniWa claimed he actually thought he could win using this strategy? how can that possibly be breaking any rules.
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On December 15 2011 03:34 Juvant wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:33 Cruncharoo wrote:On December 15 2011 03:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 03:07 Master_Blaster wrote:
Not all warriors are Samurais so why make them harakiri even though they don't have the some principles of life? GOM is forcing the korean principles on StarCraft over the foreign scene and i don't actually like that.
You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" Didnt you watch the stream? He DID play FOUR games. Are you dense? Now if only he hadn't admitted to throwing the game subsequently not even going to bother. you must be one of the advocates that the probe rush is a legitimate strategy in starcraft 2. it may not be a legitimate strategy in the sense that it could ever win (even though it could) but it definitely does not break any rules of the game. he entered the game -> used his strategy -> lost -> left the game. That's playing the game to me. Now if only he hadn't subsequently admitted to throwing it (basically).
It's an invite only tournament and the GSL can invite whoever they want. They want top players in a respectable environment. Naniwa is a belligerent and disrespectful player, throwing games and calling MLG a "joke tournament". As of recently he has only been bringing negative energy into every tournament he plays in. As a tournament, would you want to invite this type of player, who just purposefully threw one of this games? They are not obligated to invite him. They can invite whoever they want, and he would have been the invite if he had not continued his bad-mannered behavior at yet another major sc2 tournament.
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On December 15 2011 03:38 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:32 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:27 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:25 TaKemE wrote:On December 15 2011 03:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:08 diophan wrote:
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You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" Didnt you watch the stream? He DID play FOUR games. Are you dense? not even going to bother. you must be one of the advocates that the probe rush is a legitimate strategy in starcraft 2. But where do you get the idea that he was payed $850 to play 4 games? thats money he won by makeing it into the tournament. he did not win anything, this argument of self entitlement to what's never yours is starting to get ridiculous. gom is not stupid enough to send some guy $850 for winning some random tournament half across the world. he got the money for completing the group stages which he didn't. it's in the rules. He did complete it you fing moron. Where in the rules does it say that 7 probe rush is illegal? where does it say in the rules that GOM can't take away his code S rights? hey I can pull this "no rule for x" excuse all day too.
Excuse? Have you ever heard of a contract? Do you understand that breaking them is illegal?
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On December 15 2011 03:38 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:32 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:27 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:25 TaKemE wrote:On December 15 2011 03:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:08 diophan wrote:
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You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" Didnt you watch the stream? He DID play FOUR games. Are you dense? not even going to bother. you must be one of the advocates that the probe rush is a legitimate strategy in starcraft 2. But where do you get the idea that he was payed $850 to play 4 games? thats money he won by makeing it into the tournament. he did not win anything, this argument of self entitlement to what's never yours is starting to get ridiculous. gom is not stupid enough to send some guy $850 for winning some random tournament half across the world. he got the money for completing the group stages which he didn't. it's in the rules. He did complete it you fing moron. Where in the rules does it say that 7 probe rush is illegal? where does it say in the rules that GOM can't take away his code S rights? hey I can pull this "no rule for x" excuse all day too.
You are right and on top of that it doesn´t say in the contract that they can´t butt fukk him either. So what are they waiting for?
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On December 15 2011 03:33 Saiwa wrote:
Does anyone remember how the Koreans pulled out the last second before NASL ? They knew it way before but they announced it till the last second just to fuck with NASL ... dont talk about honor and whatever.
This is actually a really good point if we are going to talk about "cultural honor"...
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I just hope Naniwa doesn't take hold a massive grudge about this and refuse to ever go back to GSL.
Unfortunately I don't think that that's too unlikely.
(sup double negative)
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On December 15 2011 03:33 bmn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:31 StarStruck wrote:
Let's put the Johan shit behind us.
I really want to discuss the new rule because it has MORE ramifications than anything else and can be interpreted in many different ways.
It's very vague, especially when you lump in the AUDIENCE.
It's a huge logistical issue. Logistical? What?
Everyone from the players to audience members see things differently.
Practically anything can be viewed as abusive or offensive by a player in game.
You don't like it when a player uses /dance?
How about someone manner muling in your base?
What if a player starts drawing a heart with pylons to celebrate?
What if an opponent does an abusive strategy against you?
That's not the half of it. Now technically if you, the viewer don't like what you see and are offended by it what will GOM do?
I mean come on. The rule is so fucking vague and ridiculous in that form. Even a donkey can see it.
They have to re-write it and define it more.
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On December 15 2011 03:39 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:38 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:32 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:27 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:25 TaKemE wrote:On December 15 2011 03:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:
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Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" Didnt you watch the stream? He DID play FOUR games. Are you dense? not even going to bother. you must be one of the advocates that the probe rush is a legitimate strategy in starcraft 2. But where do you get the idea that he was payed $850 to play 4 games? thats money he won by makeing it into the tournament. he did not win anything, this argument of self entitlement to what's never yours is starting to get ridiculous. gom is not stupid enough to send some guy $850 for winning some random tournament half across the world. he got the money for completing the group stages which he didn't. it's in the rules. He did complete it you fing moron. Where in the rules does it say that 7 probe rush is illegal? where does it say in the rules that GOM can't take away his code S rights? hey I can pull this "no rule for x" excuse all day too. Excuse? Have you ever heard of a contract? Do you understand that breaking them is illegal?
No he doesnt because he is an ignorant kid who doesn´t know how real life works.
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I'm really dissapointed to be foreigner right now
best players in korea :
idra is famous for being BM on ladder
jinro curses during preshow (yes that's kinda a big deal for me)
now naniwa deliberately loses game
I guess huk will punch someone in the face next season.
am I the only one who feels really bad cuz of this?
anyone wanna start petition to send whitera and sheth to korea for a few months to make us look better : ) ?
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On December 15 2011 03:35 SupLilSon wrote:
Look everyone. Playing in Korea and in the GSL is NOT a right. It is a PRIVILEGE. I'm sorry, I just don't sympathize with NaNiwa when people say, "oh he didn't want to play the last game, that is what 99% of other humans would do". No. He is essentially a professional athlete, competing at the highest level possible. There is no other sport in the world where leagues, players, teams and fans would tolerate, let alone condone this type of attitude and behavior. Imagine going to go see your hometown football (american or EU, doesn't matter which) team play, they haven't done great this season but hey, you still support them and want to see them play. But when the game starts, instead of playing they just forfeit, on the grounds that the game is meaningless in terms of winning a championship. That is simply just a poor attitude for a professional athlete and should be frowned upon by everyone who truly cares about the growth of the sport. Like I said before, Naniwa was given a great privilege to be able to compete in Korea and he should have respected that. The people in charge of GSL don't like his attitude and don't believe he is a good fit for GSL so they took that privilege away. I see no problem with this and in fact, I think it was the correct decision.
Agree 100% So many people here think koreans have something against foreigners or that they dont care about them. lol people here just have this inferiority complex towards koreans when it comes to starcraft and blindly hate on them whenever something arises and it involves koreans. Standards that the korean scene has made, made it successful in terms of personality, showmanship, professionalism. Players over there seemed untouchable through their rigorous training and dedication and NOT giving up because boohoo im all emo from 3 losses. Professional? far from it.
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On December 15 2011 03:39 Giriath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:38 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:32 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:27 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:25 TaKemE wrote:On December 15 2011 03:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:
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Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" Didnt you watch the stream? He DID play FOUR games. Are you dense? not even going to bother. you must be one of the advocates that the probe rush is a legitimate strategy in starcraft 2. But where do you get the idea that he was payed $850 to play 4 games? thats money he won by makeing it into the tournament. he did not win anything, this argument of self entitlement to what's never yours is starting to get ridiculous. gom is not stupid enough to send some guy $850 for winning some random tournament half across the world. he got the money for completing the group stages which he didn't. it's in the rules. He did complete it you fing moron. Where in the rules does it say that 7 probe rush is illegal? where does it say in the rules that GOM can't take away his code S rights? hey I can pull this "no rule for x" excuse all day too. Excuse? Have you ever heard of a contract? Do you understand that breaking them is illegal?
Do you realize they have rules in place that allow them to void said privelages.
And last time I checked it wasn't official due to the new format.
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On December 15 2011 03:39 Nagano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:34 Juvant wrote:On December 15 2011 03:33 Cruncharoo wrote:On December 15 2011 03:23 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:20 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 03:17 Wallstreet11 wrote:On December 15 2011 03:13 Master_Blaster wrote:On December 15 2011 03:08 diophan wrote:On December 15 2011 03:07 Master_Blaster wrote:
Not all warriors are Samurais so why make them harakiri even though they don't have the some principles of life? GOM is forcing the korean principles on StarCraft over the foreign scene and i don't actually like that.
You really think it's a Korean principle to, if you're paid to have people watch you play a game, actually make some attempt at playing the game? Actually they are not payed to play for us, but we pay to see them play. Quite a difference. And he played 100% when it mattered. PLEASE make this the thread topic! GOM paid him $850 to play 4 games in the group stages. he played 3. it's funny how people choose to blatantly ignore facts to mount a supposed "argument" Didnt you watch the stream? He DID play FOUR games. Are you dense? Now if only he hadn't admitted to throwing the game subsequently not even going to bother. you must be one of the advocates that the probe rush is a legitimate strategy in starcraft 2. it may not be a legitimate strategy in the sense that it could ever win (even though it could) but it definitely does not break any rules of the game. he entered the game -> used his strategy -> lost -> left the game. That's playing the game to me. Now if only he hadn't subsequently admitted to throwing it (basically). It's an invite only tournament and the GSL can invite whoever they want. They want top players in a respectable environment. Naniwa is a belligerent and disrespectful player, throwing games and calling MLG a "joke tournament". As of recently he has only been bringing negative energy into every tournament he plays in. As a tournament, would you want to invite this type of player, who just purposefully threw one of this games? They are not obligated to invite him. They can invite whoever they want, and he would have been the invite if he had not continued his bad-mannered behavior at yet another major sc2 tournament.
I wasn't arguing against that, friend. 
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On December 15 2011 03:35 Trsjnica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:33 justinpal wrote:On December 15 2011 03:31 StarStruck wrote:
Let's put the Johan shit behind us.
I really want to discuss the new rule because it has MORE ramifications than anything else and can be interpreted in many different ways.
It's very vague. The rule is new? So why is NaNi kicked out without being made aware of it? The same reason CoCa got kicked out. I am sure CoCa, while playing his game, didn't think he would get booted from Code S for it.
Boxer/SlayerS management actually forced CoCa to remove himself from Code S, not GOMTV
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People defending GOM. What if nani had made a half assed 4 gate, floating resouces while amoving into his opponents base and then gg'ing. Would that have been okay or is that still disrespectful? Where is the line?
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People have to understand that Naniwa could have really hurt Korean eSPORTS with what he did. I hate throwing around (blank blank) hurts esports, but it's true.
We all know Korea is a land full of honor and respect and closely guarded values. When applied to SC, that means that you try your hardest to win your match, no matter the meaning of that match, and you do it because you're a fighter who is out there for his fans. Ever since the days of Boxer the Bonjwa this has been true, and it still is.
Now think about fans of Broodwar in Korea that are looking at SC2 as a possible step forward. They see this game from Naniwa, which is pretty much uniformly against their ideas and ethics when it comes to Starcraft. If nothing happens, then that is GSL endorsing it, which completely shits on GOMTV's image as a whole. If they do something, though, at least they've salvaged the situation.
It's like the Choya incident. After the BW match-fixing fiasco SlayerS had to step forward quickly because of two things. 1) They didn't want Choya or their team tainted with that kind of stigma, and 2) They didn't want SC2 to look like it had already devolved into unethical practices that weren't being treated seriously.
Western ethics may not apply the same way, but it doesn't matter. GOMTV is a Korean tournament and they run their rules how they see fit. You can't shit on GOMTV for punishing Naniwa for being a douche and not playing his game like he should when they had to defend themselves from essentially their entire Korean viewer base.
I happen to agree with this punishment. It's not too extreme, but it's getting something done. But even if you don't, don't try to apply your (and my) Western code of ethics onto a Korean code of ethics. The cultures and the ideas just won't mesh.
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The Blizzard Cup is an invitation-only tournament with the best players in the world. Every progamer in Korea wants to be part of it. Just having the chance to play against Nestea on stage is a dream for a lot of people. But Naniwa didn't care about having pride or PR, all he wanted was to win tournaments and make money. He shit on people who paid for him to attend, people would paid and put the effort and time to go watch him play, people who had to commentate that game, and every progamer who wish they could be in his place.
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