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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:42 FryktSkyene wrote: Rofl wtf. I wonder if they would ban CatZ for 12 drone rushing on steps of war. ...Thats a legitimate strategy that actually has a good chance of working. Worker rushing off the bat has a 0% chance of working, unless the oppenent disconnects or purposely tries to lose. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:41 SpiffD wrote: People defending GOM. What if nani had made a half assed 4 gate, floating resouces while amoving into his opponents base and then gg'ing. Would that have been okay or is that still disrespectful? Where is the line? Exactly. Where do we draw the God damn line because of a stupid probe rush? I mean come on now. Players have been half-assing to not showing up to games that have no meaning to them anymore for some time now. You cannot force someone to play the way you want them to play a game. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:43 Giriath wrote: Do you understand law? Any rule that is not on his contract can not be used to revoke what he, according to the contract, has a right to. Do *you* understand Korean law? Have *you* seen any contract between Naniwa and GOM regarding this future tournament? | ||
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reneg
United States859 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:28 diophan wrote: Actually your example is hilarious, since teams are not allowed to throw games in the NHL, NFL, MLB, etc. They might not be legally allowed to, but it happens. Especially when tanking for draft picks. Back before the Celtics won their first championship in years, all of their star players suddenly got sick with stomach flu, and they plummeted down to dead last in the standings. While I'm sure the B-Team tried as hard as they could, if you're fielding players who are worse, they'll usually lose. Sure you can't PROVE that they didn't have stomach flu, but it's just like doing a horrible strategy (like probe rushing), even though you're 99% sure you'll lose. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:37 gupthegup wrote: A month ago John Daly had no chance of making the cut and so he hit a bunch of golf balls into a lake on purpose until he ran out of balls and then walked off the course saying he had no more balls to play and was then banned from the PGA Championship. This is the same thing, Naniwa's actions could cause sponsors to pull money out or others on the fence to not get involved especially in Korea where the culture views his actions much worse then most of the rest of the world. These tournaments have tens of thousands of dollars in prize pools that he has the privilege to compete for without having to buy in for his % of the pool and I'm sure Gom's aspirations are to increase that to hundreds of thousands of dollars - he was even paid an appearance fee of $850 just to be there. If this is going to be an e-sport and not just another video game you have to treat it like one. Wow, I am surprised someone brought up that example. I agree it is a good comparison to what happened with naniwa. | ||
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dp
United States234 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: A cashier does not have the same job or job description as a pro-gamer, nor is a tournament that you've already lost at related in any way to your first few minutes at a daily job. I'm sorry, but your analogies are all terrible. I guarantee you that if HuK or Sheth or White-Ra or Boxer or any other player who's known for their outstanding personality did something like this in a game that didn't matter towards the outcome of a tournament, it would be brushed aside and no punishment would be given. Well you are obviously incapable of rational thought. A job is a job. Don't fool yourself into thinking different. Obviously each job has different requirements, but they share a common trait, you have to do what is expected. Doing less than that has consequences. The fact he had nothing to gain does not negate his responsibility. Do you really expect me to believe you don't understand that? | ||
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ThisWillBEz
United States120 Posts
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jyisvip
Canada209 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:41 DjSweetBazz wrote: Banned from ESL Banned from IEM Now banned from GSL, haha this guy never learns He had it coming, calling MLG a joke tournament in front of a huge audience, calling nestea an idiot, refusing to shake hands with drg, and now refusing to play a game he was paid to play He may get away with it in the western countries but in Korea if you dont know what the word respect is you better go home, he acted like an a**hole and he should be treated like one, good decision by GOM, I'm buying my tickets this season  Thank you for not being biased towards your country. | ||
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LagT_T
Argentina535 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:39 Giriath wrote: Excuse? Have you ever heard of a contract? Do you understand that breaking them is illegal? Have you read this contract? Lawyers know how to make them so companies can retain some power of decision. | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:41 DjSweetBazz wrote: Banned from ESL Banned from IEM Now banned from GSL, haha this guy never learns He had it coming, calling MLG a joke tournament in front of a huge audience, calling nestea an idiot, refusing to shake hands with drg, and now refusing to play a game he was paid to play He may get away with it in the western countries but in Korea if you dont know what the word respect is you better go home, he acted like an a**hole and he should be treated like one, good decision by GOM, I'm buying my tickets this season His not banned from GSL... | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:36 ZAiNs wrote: They would play more seriously than Naniwa did, but it's just impossible to play 100% when the outcome of the game literally means nothing. GOM took no action against Coca, the decision was made by Slayers/Boxer. Really? It's impossible to play 100% when it doesn't matter? I will tell you that is completely untrue. People compete and give 100% effort all the time to games and challenges that "don't matter". I can go to the gym and see 10 guys giving their all on the basketball court where the only prize is pride. You can play 100% because you have and internal drive and a sense of pride to perform your best. There doesn't always have to be a monetary incentive to try your hardest and there shouldn't be. | ||
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Caltu
60 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:42 iamthedave wrote: Naniwa does not just represent himself anymore. nobody who wants to call themselves a professional does. This was why SlayersCoca got EVISCERATED by Slayers after his behaviour. He brought - in theory at least - his entire team into disrepute. That can't be allowed to stand. Quantic may choose not to punish Naniwa, but I bet they weren't pleased either, and most importantly, GomTV felt disrespected, they felt he disrespected the GSL stage, and they've sent a clear message that they're not putting up with that. If he wants to do ceremonies after a match, he can have fun with that, but you don't piss about IN THE GAME. CoCa threw a match that had massive meaning! It was for his teammate to make it into Code A in teh middle of a tournament that affected everyone else! OF course SlayerS had to punish him. Naniwa threw a game that had now affect on the outcome of the group him and Nestea had already been elliminated | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:43 1Eris1 wrote: ...Thats a legitimate strategy that actually has a good chance of working. Worker rushing off the bat has a 0% chance of working, unless the oppenent disconnects or purposely tries to lose. You are actually trying to defend that when the difference is like a minute. Seriously. For now on players are going to have to play the way we want them to play! Oh give me a fucking break. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:44 ThisWillBEz wrote: So manner mules r fine but you can't probe rush... how is there a difference based on that rule? So you can say "LOL, get out of this game, it's over," but you can't say "Meh, this game is BS and I'm not going to bother playing." I can pretty easily distinguish these two actions. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:41 bobohobo wrote: Let's clear something up here: 1. Naniwa didn't have a code S seed. He merely was being considered as one of the two invites. 2. There was always meant to be two code S invites. Due to Naniwa's lack of professionalism, they decided to invite Sen and Idra instead. 3. People don't actually know what's written in the contracts nor do people know how the Korean legal system works. So stop talking as if GOM can't legally do this and do that. You don't know anything. 1. That's a copout from GOM. It's a huge failure if Nani was "being considered." The guy is halfway across the world in a foreign country and him, his team, and his fans are under the impression he would be competing. Doesn't GOM have a responsibility to make it clear if he didn't secure a spot? It's not the same for Koreans who can just hop a bus to the Gom Studio. | ||
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SilentShout
686 Posts
I hope he learns from this mistake, so we can not have discussion of this kind about him in the future. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:37 Femari wrote: Let's just all look at it for what it is. GOM is using a vague rule (which Naniwa technically broke anyway) to punish match-fixing. Which shouldn't even have to be said anyway. You shouldn't match fix. It's fucking illegal. He got off with a one event ban. He still can participate in future events. This is a wake up call for Naniwa and I hope he understands that this is the real world and you can't just do what you want. Personally I think the real fuck up by GOM is that they gave away Code S spots. Except many of us don't think he's being punished for match fixing but for failing to provide entertainment and ignoring the interests of the organizers. So they are using a vague rule as an excuse to punish match-fixing which in turn is an excuse to punish him for acting unprofessionally. | ||
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stokes17
United States1411 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:43 Giriath wrote: Do you understand law? Any rule that is not on his contract can not be used to revoke what he, according to the contract, has a right to. Source? | ||
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:43 atomic55 wrote: He deserved it, and all you fanboys need to get of Naniwas dick. If you do some lurkin youll find out that Naniwa was disliked before the whole probe fiasco, in Korea. Naniwa has no respect for tournaments and its staff, From TSL when there was lag and he told Chill to get out, from going on MLG and calling it a joke tournament on live stream because it was not cross positions(Fuckin pro player he is, if he needs to pause and think of new strats in a game hes been playing competitvle for a long time). From being extremly shady like asking to go to bathroom at wierd times during games and pausing games to think of new strats and looking at replays when he shouldnt. Maybe this will teach Naniwa that hes not hot shit and he needs to respect tournaments and staff more because without tournys Naniwa will need to learn how to flip burgers. IDC ban me but someone had to say it half the thread is filled with comments like this. funny that you say nani needs class when your comment is trash. I will admit I like Naniwa but it is NOT because I am some die hard fanboy. Rather, the reasons lie within the fact that he is a true competitor who only cares about winning and has worked so hard to prove it. Yes, he is not mannered, but I strongly believe he has the right intentions. | ||
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