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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:15 calgar wrote: A good one, IMO. One along the lines of "break our rules and disrespect fans and the sport and you'll see consequences". What rule was broken? | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:11 Master_Blaster wrote: And what is weird is that the punishment is the prize of another tournament. A deal is a deal. I typed this a couple of times but I'll do it again. You are misinformed sir. The deal for 2011 GSL/MLG did not apply to the 2012 season. Naniwa did not win any prize (Code S seed) but he was a candidate for a privilege position. GOM decided that he was not professional enough. | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
Warning or disqualification - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours | ||
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Angel_
United States1617 Posts
This whole, "in rome do as the romans do" thing. Why are we acting like korean sc2 and 'western' sc2 are two completely different cultures and rules? Yes Korea has a completely different culture. But are you seriously defending that excusing his actions with no consequence and blatantly not seeing what he did and continues to do constantly being a problem is a 'Western' thing? So just, being unprofessional and it being completely okay is part of Western culture now? | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:45 StarStruck wrote: You are actually trying to defend that when the difference is like a minute. Seriously. For now on players are going to have to play the way we want them to play! Oh give me a fucking break. I don't think you're getting this. the difference is not " a minute" the difference is that one is a strategy that has a 0% chance of winning outside of bronze league, and that naniwa A moved and took his hands off the keyboard completely, while the other had a legitimate chance to work eve at high levels. | ||
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Master_Blaster
United Kingdom269 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:15 baoluvboa wrote: I typed this a couple of times but I'll do it again. You are misinformed sir. The deal for 2011 GSL/MLG did not apply to the 2012 season. Naniwa did not win any prize (Code S seed) but he was a candidate for a privilege position. GOM decided that he was not professional enough. That is because the new system applies retroactive somehow. When he earned his spot at MLG we wasn't an invite. Now he is. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:45 StarStruck wrote: You are actually trying to defend that when the difference is like a minute. Seriously. For now on players are going to have to play the way we want them to play! Oh give me a fucking break. I think people should stop spreading misconception that Naniwa had his code s slot removed for probe rushing Nestea. 1. Naniwa won a slot in Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place place. 2. GOM considered inviting him to code s but he blew it by showing what he thought about his last game. Watch the korean vod on youtube. naniwa one hand probe rush. He showed a total i dont care mindset that is 180 degree of what gom wants from players in gsl. He isnt banned from gsl. He just have to prove he is worthy of being code s player - and i dont mean skill but mentality. | ||
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
He wasn't thinking and obviously didn't expect to get knocked out of code S, but it is what it is. Maybe he'll be more serious about the game and realize he's not the one who decides what games matter and what games don't. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:17 calgar wrote: Did you bother to read the OP? Warning or disqualification - 경기중에 과격한 행동으로 상대 게이머나 관중들에게 위협을 가할 때 - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours No, I read the OP and I think this is bullshit. What he did wasn't "abusive behavious" and its a HUGE stretch to call it such. he played the game how he choose to and then lost because of it. It was not abusive to the audience of opponent in any way. He's not required to play the game how they want. This was clearly just an excuse to boot him because they did not approve of what he did, rather than as a punishment for an actual rule violation. | ||
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kappadevin
United States284 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:15 ExO_ wrote: He "should" give NesTea a good game sure. But by no means does he have to. He is his own player, and his audience can't tell him how to play his games. I hate how everybody here just presumes he should have to do what they want for them. Bullshit. he can do what he wants. on the other hand, booting him from GSL, without any real rules broken is bullshit and a huge violation of GSL's duty. You can't just kick a player out because they don't like what they did....or evidently you can. Watch out IdrA, GSL might kick you out if you do something they don't like. So you are saying professional football teams should be allowed to throw games and not have any repercussions? It's the same thing. Do you expect any LEGITIMATE, sport to allow a player to act in that manner? There's no rule in football that says, "you have to play defense" but there's no way they would let that happen in a real game. If esports is to be taken seriously there has to be consequences for this kind of behavior. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:03 Zalitara wrote: That's about the most "bad boy" behavior you can expect among nerds.I don't understand why people say Naniwa has the "bad boy" image, all I see is a kid throwing temper tantrums like a 5 year old. Not that my opinion is any better than anyone elses, but how is this not Nanwia saying "well if I am not getting it my way then fuck you" So professionalism for players requires to always play for the win. But there are games with bold game bm, like self-nuking, dancing, manner buildings etc. Even though it's quite rare, sometimes the bold bm offender actually turns out to be a fool and loses the game after overextending some silly bm like that. By these terms, then, such bm is unprofessional behavior. I think a player should be free to set his own challenges. In a Bo7, he should be allowed to give 2 games advantage to his opponent, if he feels like that would be a better challenge for him etc. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:20 kappadevin wrote: So you are saying professional football teams should be allowed to throw games and not have any repercussions? It's the same thing. Do you expect any LEGITIMATE, sport to allow a player to act in that manner? There's no rule in football that says, "you have to play defense" but there's no way they would let that happen in a real game. If esports is to be taken seriously there has to be consequences for this kind of behavior. Professional football teams DO throw games. Maybe not as openly or blatantly, but in order to get higher draft picks teams lose on purpose all the time. Seen the colts lately? And even if there does have to be some sort of punishment, getting kicked out the league is too much. | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:08 lizzard_warish wrote:GSL is actually a pretty shitty tournament anyways. is just ignorance. It has the best SC2 players, a great format, and a great VOD page. Every season I've bought has been well worth the money. DH/MLG/NASL are all good but I usually don't have time to catch a whole weekend of games (plus there's so much downtime b/w games at those events), but GSL with its VODs are great for me to catch a few matches a night. | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:41 DjSweetBazz wrote: Banned from ESL Banned from IEM Now banned from GSL, haha this guy never learns He had it coming, calling MLG a joke tournament in front of a huge audience, calling nestea an idiot, refusing to shake hands with drg, and now refusing to play a game he was paid to play He may get away with it in the western countries but in Korea if you dont know what the word respect is you better go home, he acted like an a**hole and he should be treated like one, good decision by GOM, I'm buying my tickets this season  Well i didn't know what to think about all this but after reading your post (and his TLDP page) i must say i quite agree with you. He clearly don't know what respect is. The only rule of competition (sport or e-sport) is fair play and he isn't. I agree with GOM's decision and i will agree with further bans if he misbehave again. (regardless of any rules) | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:21 ExO_ wrote: Professional football teams DO throw games. Maybe not as openly or blatantly, but in order to get higher draft picks teams lose on purpose all the time. Seen the colts lately? And even if there does have to be some sort of punishment, getting kicked out the league is too much. exactly, if naniwa did that, there would be no problem. but nah, it was like they threw their first pass and just walked out of the field. whatever the case, he brought this upon himself. if i was sundance, i woudl have kicked naniwa from mlg after saying "this tournament is a joke" in plain view. in my opinion, attitude matters more than skill. | ||
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schmitty9800
United States390 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:18 Master_Blaster wrote: That is because the new system applies retroactive somehow. When he earned his spot at MLG we wasn't an invite. Now he is. No, the new system always stated that there would be two Code S invites. Everyone assumed that the MLG high finisher would get it but they never stated that it was definitive. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:22 jinorazi wrote: exactly, if naniwa did that, there would be no problem. but nah, it was like they threw their first pass and just walked out of the field. All football games are played to their entirety are all Starcraft 2 games? | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:22 jinorazi wrote: exactly, if naniwa did that, there would be no problem. but nah, it was like they threw their first pass and just walked out of the field. Did naniwa leave the booth? He choose how he wanted to play the game. Yes it didn't work, nor have any chance of working. But still, it is not GOM's right to tell him he has to play the game like they choose. | ||
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