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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Papulatus
United States669 Posts
Gom fucks up the format and players get punished. Great. | ||
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Glowbox
Netherlands330 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:41 DjSweetBazz wrote: Banned from ESL Banned from IEM Now banned from GSL, haha this guy never learns He had it coming, calling MLG a joke tournament in front of a huge audience, calling nestea an idiot, refusing to shake hands with drg, and now refusing to play a game he was paid to play He may get away with it in the western countries but in Korea if you dont know what the word respect is you better go home, he acted like an a**hole and he should be treated like one, good decision by GOM, I'm buying my tickets this season  I'm glad people already pointed out the misinformation in this post, I'll add to it: the no handshake between DRG/nani was just some funny banter between them. They were laughing about it. Did you actually see it? | ||
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tykonn
United States3 Posts
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
(this was mentioned by Artosis on cast during the summer. ill see if i can find it.) Glad that GOM, is sticking up for this, and not just letting players have a free pass. | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
On December 14 2011 18:42 Niyanyo wrote: Wow... I was about to purchase a year pass with the new model, but this is just wrong. It was as much or more fault of the tournament as it was for Naniwa. If this goes thru I am not purchasing de pass as protest. Way to bash on a tournament organization without justifying your opinion. GSL is doing it right. If the game is to keep growing and GSL is to keep being the most competitive e-Sports competition in the world, the values of respect, commitment and responsibility need be preserved. If a player can't deal with loosing and responds and an unprofessional way, then he's stepping a line. No matter how much of a fanboy you are, you can't cope with the behaviour Naniwa showed. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:24 tykonn wrote: its seems ironic to me that the fans of naniwa are the ones who are defending him. i barely care because i play terran and dislike naniwa, so i wouldve just fastforwarded the game to check the result. i think it was clearly a poor choice for him, and a middle finger to his fans who i would think would love to see their favorite foreigner fight the best zerg in the world. the fans pay money to view these games, and he made sure it was a little less worth it. I'm not a NaNiwa fan, I hardly watch his games. What I'm more concerned with is how the player is being treated, and the precedent this sets for future and other players. You can't just boot a player b/c you don't like how he choose to play the game | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:24 ExO_ wrote: Did naniwa leave the booth? He choose how he wanted to play the game. Yes it didn't work, nor have any chance of working. But still, it is not GOM's right to tell him he has to play the game like they choose. he tossed the game and made it 100% clear he was tossing the game. thats the problem. on another note. i think he deserves punishment for such carelessness. proxy whatever could have sufficed and it wouldn't have caused all this drama. he brought this upon himself with recklessness. | ||
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justinpal
United States3810 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:24 tykonn wrote: its seems ironic to me that the fans of naniwa are the ones who are defending him. i barely care because i play terran and dislike naniwa, so i wouldve just fastforwarded the game to check the result. i think it was clearly a poor choice for him, and a middle finger to his fans who i would think would love to see their favorite foreigner fight the best zerg in the world. the fans pay money to view these games, and he made sure it was a little less worth it. I as a fan assumed the game was going to be skipped. I did not want to watch a game where NesTea and NaNi BOTH were not going to be trying. NesTea has already stated that he hasn't tried in past games that had no real value. | ||
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Stropheum
United States1124 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:19 ExO_ wrote: No, I read the OP and I think this is bullshit. What he did wasn't "abusive behavious" and its a HUGE stretch to call it such. he played the game how he choose to and then lost because of it. It was not abusive to the audience of opponent in any way. He's not required to play the game how they want. This was clearly just an excuse to boot him because they did not approve of what he did, rather than as a punishment for an actual rule violation. you think a moving your probes and leaning back in your chair isn't abusive and insulting? you're saying he chose to play the game the way he wanted, but he wasn't playing the game. a rank 99 bronze player has more apm than that. a rank 99 bronze player could've held that "strategy". Fact of the matter is, he refused to play the game. It's not splitting hairs between what's a "strategy" and what isn't. He didn't play. You physically have to be touching the computer to actually be playing the game. | ||
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MercilessMonkey
Canada150 Posts
Did naniwa leave the booth? He choose how he wanted to play the game. Yes it didn't work, nor have any chance of working. But still, it is not GOM's right to tell him he has to play the game like they choose. Of course it is their right though. It's their tournament, which they can hold to whatever standards of professionalism they want. GOM isn't stopping him from playing in other tournaments. It's their right to tell anyone anything they want for their own tournament. | ||
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tykonn
United States3 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:26 ExO_ wrote: I'm not a NaNiwa fan, I hardly watch his games. What I'm more concerned with is how the player is being treated, and the precedent this sets for future and other players. You can't just boot a player b/c you don't like how he choose to play the game how he chose to play the game was to intentionally lose. i know people are trying to say a probe rush is a valid strategy, but come on. he was mad and lost on purpose. whether he was throwing a fit and just couldnt take it, he was scared of legitimately going 0-4 or he was illustrating to gom why their structure was bad, he was intentionally losing without any consideration for his fans and the paying viewers. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:26 Stropheum wrote: you think a moving your probes and leaning back in your chair isn't abusive and insulting? you're saying he chose to play the game the way he wanted, but he wasn't playing the game. a rank 99 bronze player has more apm than that. a rank 99 bronze player could've held that "strategy". Fact of the matter is, he refused to play the game. It's not splitting hairs between what's a "strategy" and what isn't. He didn't play. You physically have to be touching the computer to actually be playing the game. No you don't. It is not your right to tell anybody how to play the game, nor is it GOM's right. Did his units on screen move? If so, he was playing the game. yes he threw it, yes it was obvious. And did it affect the tournament in any way shape or form? No. While I agree he should've at least played the game, I disagree that GSL should be able to punish him in this way. he earned his spot. Format changes and a false rule breaking call should not be enough to take that away from him. I worry for the next westerner who offends the guys running GSL, who gets booted for another bullshit reason | ||
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kappadevin
United States284 Posts
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
Dudes...He dissed YOU the most. It's not some "oh it wasn't super significant" issue, it was a huge act of disrespect and he's getting punished for it. GOM is giving seeds to people who actually want to play (Well idra...lol at least he'll try for the first couple minutes ^^ ) now. | ||
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latan
740 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:30 Talack wrote: Still can't believe people are defending naniwa for being so disrespectful for the korean community and GOM's tournament. : / Dudes...He dissed YOU the most. It's not some "oh it wasn't super significant" issue, it was a huge act of disrespect and he's getting punished for it. GOM is giving seeds to people who actually want to play (Well idra...lol at least he'll try for the first couple minutes ^^ ) now. I'm not defending the disrespect, it clearly was disrespectful on some level. But that isn't a crime, and it shouldn't be enough to get you booted out of the GSL, the premier starcraft tournament of the world. It's almost like they don't "like" Naniwa, and because they don't "like" him they are saying he can't play in their tournament. And as the premier tournament, where a player earned his spot, I cannot say I think this is the right decision. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 15 2011 02:20 LeopoldStotch wrote: Too bad there is a rule against what Naniwa did. - During a match, a player shall not offend the opponent or audience with abusive behaviours Firebathero shouldn't of been allowed to play at all then. Just saying. His ceremonies were pretty abusive. lol. | ||
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epb1982
29 Posts
if Gom doesnt get this, eSport should go outside Korean, GOM should be stopped! | ||
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Avril_Lavigne
United States446 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:19 ExO_ wrote: No, I read the OP and I think this is bullshit. What he did wasn't "abusive behavious" and its a HUGE stretch to call it such. he played the game how he choose to and then lost because of it. It was not abusive to the audience of opponent in any way. He's not required to play the game how they want. This was clearly just an excuse to boot him because they did not approve of what he did, rather than as a punishment for an actual rule violation. It's an insult to the audience because people pay to subscribe to watch GOMtv. People stay up till 5 am to watch top quality CODE S performance. Naniwas behaviors affects the credibility that GOM tv has in providing entertaining matches. Stop bullshitting and just admit that you wanna marry Naniwa and have his babies. Lets just have a bunch of Naniwa's play in a single tournament where they all are free to act childish and do w/e the hell they want and if they don't get what they want then fuck it all. This tournament seems doomed to fail because no one would want to play each other because everyone in the tournament are just little kids. | ||
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