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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:26 N1ghtshade wrote: When in Rome, act as the Romans do. My thoughts; I'm not surprised by gsl's (or whoever's) ban reaction. Personally, I think people in this thread (or at least many of the posting people) need to more consider cultural differences. fe: what is bm? Asking/publishing a replay, ragequitting or like naniwa, doing proberush. Apparently, the organising party has other values than most of the posters. And really, I can't say I blame them. Personally, I think Naniwa's actions were a disgrace. NEVER should anyone lose a game during such a tournament on purpose. Naniwa should realise he isn't in his bedroom anymore,but playing on a stage. And I know this is a normative point, but I think the tournament is trying to set/hold on to moral standards. Which is my entire point I can't say anything about contractual obligations, I don't really have any idea about those things. | ||
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nucky
Canada43 Posts
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Zalitara
Norway361 Posts
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phelankell
United States8 Posts
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:03 Zalitara wrote: I don't understand why people say Naniwa has the "bad boy" image, all I see is a kid throwing temper tantrums like a 5 year old. Not that my opinion is any better than anyone elses, but how is this not Nanwia saying "well if I am not getting it my way then fuck you" That is the "bad boy" image. Naniwa has done nothing to demonstrate to anyone that he is a mature adult, instead just giving half-assed apologies after his stunts cause a backlash. Saying things like "he is just sticking it to the man" or "that's just his personality" or "he's socially awkward" are all terrible excuses for someone who has failed to conduct himself like a professional going all the way back to Warcraft 3. There is no doubt that he is skilled, extremely motivated to improve, and is capable of producing excellent games, it's just funny when people act like he's being victimized. He brings this shit on himself. | ||
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LiaT
Sweden58 Posts
GOGO Naniwa get back through Code B! | ||
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nailujk
Canada27 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:44 reneg wrote: They might not be legally allowed to, but it happens. Especially when tanking for draft picks. Back before the Celtics won their first championship in years, all of their star players suddenly got sick with stomach flu, and they plummeted down to dead last in the standings. While I'm sure the B-Team tried as hard as they could, if you're fielding players who are worse, they'll usually lose. Sure you can't PROVE that they didn't have stomach flu, but it's just like doing a horrible strategy (like probe rushing), even though you're 99% sure you'll lose. I would actually argue that what Naniwa did, probe rushing, is more analogous to a sports team (let's say hockey because I'm familiar with hockey) showing up to the rink then just sitting on the ice while the other team scores at will. He didn't claim to be ill, and he didn't officially forfeit either. He showed up and did nothing (not literally, but essentially). There are plenty of meaningless games at the end of a regular season in the NHL. Some teams are so far away from a playoff shot that their games are basically null, unless they are trying to lose on purpose for better draft picks. Either way, if a team showed up and did nothing, the fans would shit on them. I don't know whether we as a community want to overlook this or not, but in other sporting situations, something like this would not be taken lightly. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
Do you realize what precedent this sets? GSL is way out of line here. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:09 nailujk wrote: It's not where near the equivalent of showing up and doing nothing, nor are individual sets [that are all part of the same days game and max out at basically 30 minutes of game play] in anyway equivalent to entire hockey matches. Everyone should just shut the hell up with the terrible analogies.I would actually argue that what Naniwa did, probe rushing, is more analogous to a sports team (let's say hockey because I'm familiar with hockey) showing up to the rink then just sitting on the ice while the other team scores at will. He didn't claim to be ill, and he didn't officially forfeit either. He showed up and did nothing (not literally, but essentially). There are plenty of meaningless games at the end of a regular season in the NHL. Some teams are so far away from a playoff shot that their games are basically null, unless they are trying to lose on purpose for better draft picks. Either way, if a team showed up and did nothing, the fans would shit on them. I don't know whether we as a community want to overlook this or not, but in other sporting situations, something like this would not be taken lightly. The game had no more meaning than special event games for Nani and Nestea, and we've seen people joke around and put in just as shitty amount of effort into them. People dont try in things that DONT matter, this is all just arbitrary sensationalism made worse by arbitrary rules. | ||
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Master_Blaster
United Kingdom269 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:11 ExO_ wrote: "We don't like what a player did so we aren't letting him play" Do you realize what precedent this sets? GSL is way out of line here. And what is weird is that the punishment is the prize of another tournament. A deal is a deal. | ||
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Microsloth
Canada194 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:08 lizzard_warish wrote: GSL is actually a pretty shitty tournament anyways. Whaaaaaaaa?? I don't even.... How does one respond to this? What tournament is better? I'm so confused.... | ||
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kappadevin
United States284 Posts
There shouldn't need to be an explicit rule about this kind of behavior: it should be self explanatory. Imagine you tuned into a football game where one team had no possibility of making the playoffs and they decide to just not play any defense for the rest of the game. It's about respecting you opponent, your fans, and your tournament. He wasn't expected to play his fingers off, but he should at least have the respect for NesTea to give him a legitimate game. Look at Choya. He was playing rock paper scissors against people for ladder games, and EVEN THOUGH that wasn't even affiliated with GOM at all, he received a ban from the GSTL. Are you going to argue there should have been a specific rule saying you can't rock paper scissors on the ladder? I hope this whole thing gives Naniwa a wake up call to fix his attitude. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:11 Master_Blaster wrote: And what is weird is that the punishment is the prize of another tournament. A deal is a deal. What do you mean a deal is a deal? The rule they are citing to not let him back in is a huge stretch at best, at flat out bullshit at worst. What he did was hardly abusive to anybody. | ||
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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oban
Sweden18 Posts
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:11 ExO_ wrote:Do you realize what precedent this sets? A good one, IMO. One along the lines of "break our rules and disrespect fans and the sport and you'll see consequences". | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:12 kappadevin wrote: People are too busy looking at the individual event here too much. It wasn't the fact that he probe rushed that really set people off, it's the fact that he so clearly and blatantly threw the game. People who play showmatches don't have anything at stake, so should it be allowable for them to just throw those games completely? There shouldn't need to be an explicit rule about this kind of behavior: it should be self explanatory. Imagine you tuned into a football game where one team had no possibility of making the playoffs and they decide to just not play any defense for the rest of the game. It's about respecting you opponent, your fans, and your tournament. He wasn't expected to play his fingers off, but he should at least have the respect for NesTea to give him a legitimate game. Look at Choya. He was playing rock paper scissors against people for ladder games, and EVEN THOUGH that wasn't even affiliated with GOM at all, he received a ban from the GSTL. Are you going to argue there should have been a specific rule saying you can't rock paper scissors on the ladder? I hope this whole thing gives Naniwa a wake up call to fix his attitude. He "should" give NesTea a good game sure. But by no means does he have to. He is his own player, and his audience can't tell him how to play his games. I hate how everybody here just presumes he should have to do what they want for them. Bullshit. he can do what he wants. on the other hand, booting him from GSL, without any real rules broken is bullshit and a huge violation of GSL's duty. You can't just kick a player out because they don't like what they did....or evidently you can. Watch out IdrA, GSL might kick you out if you do something they don't like. | ||
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