EPTIt's sad that people stick up for him. He's like a child that never learns from his mistakes and continues on the belief that HE is right above all others and deserves to be an exception to the rules. He's been banned from IEM, ESL, and he should be banned from GSL too. Not that it would matter, he's never won any money from it. GG 0-10 GSL fucktard.
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LiamTheZerg
United States523 Posts
It's sad that people stick up for him. He's like a child that never learns from his mistakes and continues on the belief that HE is right above all others and deserves to be an exception to the rules. He's been banned from IEM, ESL, and he should be banned from GSL too. Not that it would matter, he's never won any money from it. GG 0-10 GSL fucktard. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:29 ExO_ wrote: No you don't. It is not your right to tell anybody how to play the game, nor is it GOM's right. Did his units on screen move? If so, he was playing the game. yes he threw it, yes it was obvious. And did it affect the tournament in any way shape or form? No. While I agree he should've at least played the game, I disagree that GSL should be able to punish him in this way. he earned his spot. Format changes and a false rule breaking call should not be enough to take that away from him. I worry for the next westerner who offends the guys running GSL, who gets booted for another bullshit reason sure there could be another one but it'll have to be serious, like what naniwa did. is it really that hard to understand majority of people sees this as a bad thing, while, here you are defending him? you're basically defending a person who's slept with a best friend's girl friend because he didn't break any contract or any law or rule, therefore he deserves no punishment. do you really not see why people are angry? it has nothing to do with rules or law. its about respect and what he did was disrespect (intentionally or not) everyone with his own selfishness. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8309 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:24 Papulatus wrote: Its pretty sad that Gom would do this. Gom fucks up the format and players get punished. Great. Right. This had nothing to do with a player playing as unprofessionally as possible after having been abhorrently unprofessional many times before (MLG, TSL3, NASL Season 1). I was a fan of Naniwa too, and because he was pretty manner at HSC3 I started to root for him. But this is just him finally realizing the world does not revolve around him. A tough lesson to learn but it has to be done. You can't just go say fuck it all and play like the bottom of Bronze league, least of all in a country that takes e-sports seriously as I hope the world does eventually. Naniwa was a dick in this tournament so they choose not to invite him to the next. The format was bad but that doesn't make Naniwa innocent, nor does his ignorance of the competitive Korean culture. | ||
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Avril_Lavigne
United States446 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:33 ExO_ wrote: I'm not defending the disrespect, it clearly was disrespectful on some level. But that isn't a crime, and it shouldn't be enough to get you booted out of the GSL, the premier starcraft tournament of the world. It's almost like they don't "like" Naniwa, and because they don't "like" him they are saying he can't play in their tournament. And as the premier tournament, where a player earned his spot, I cannot say I think this is the right decision. he isn't booted from GSL, he is revoked of his invitation in Code S. jesus.......... | ||
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tuho12345
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Master_Blaster
United Kingdom269 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:35 Avril_Lavigne wrote: It's an insult to the audience because people pay to subscribe to watch GOMtv. People stay up till 5 am to watch top quality CODE S performance. Naniwas behaviors affects the credibility that GOM tv has in providing entertaining matches. Stop bullshitting and just admit that you wanna marry Naniwa and have his babies. Lets just have a bunch of Naniwa's play in a single tournament where they all are free to act childish and do w/e the hell they want and if they don't get what they want then fuck it all. This tournament seems doomed to fail because no one would want to play each other because everyone in the tournament are just little kids. Who are you (or GOM) to force two DQ players to play at 100%? Losing motivation is human and we should feel sympathy for them. Apparently some people think that being a professional you are just a robot that plays for money. | ||
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pr0bez
United States50 Posts
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Arun
United States56 Posts
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Feiya
Germany42 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:36 Avril_Lavigne wrote: he isn't booted from GSL, he is revoked of his invitation in Code S. jesus.......... Same thing just semantics. He won and earned his code S spot. | ||
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darkcloud8282
Canada776 Posts
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opticalza
New Zealand188 Posts
This is completely ridiculous. I cannot believe GOM are trying to use that rule against Naniwa. Very unprofessional on their part. There is no doubt in my mind that what Naniwa did was the wrong thing to do, but this punishment is too harsh and is going against the league exchange agreement. They agreed to give Naniwa a Code S spot, they cannot simply revoke that using that rule. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:35 jinorazi wrote: sure there could be another one but it'll have to be serious, like what naniwa did. is it really that hard to understand majority of people sees this as a bad thing, while, here you are defending him? you're basically defending a person who's slept with a best friend's girl friend because he didn't break any contract or any law or rule, therefore he deserves no punishment. do you really not see why people are angry? it has nothing to do with rules or law. its about respect and what he did was disrespect (intentionally or not) everyone with his own selfishness. That is exactly what I'm doing. If somebody got arrested for sleeping with his best friend's girlfriend it would be bullshit. It would be disrespectful, wrong, and illegal to arrest him for doing so. I understand why people are angry, I'm not happy with what he did myself. But I cannot support taking action against him, just because people are upset with him. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:29 ExO_ wrote: No you don't. It is not your right to tell anybody how to play the game, nor is it GOM's right. Did his units on screen move? If so, he was playing the game. yes he threw it, yes it was obvious. And did it affect the tournament in any way shape or form? No. While I agree he should've at least played the game, I disagree that GSL should be able to punish him in this way. he earned his spot. Format changes and a false rule breaking call should not be enough to take that away from him. I worry for the next westerner who offends the guys running GSL, who gets booted for another bullshit reason According to this logic, Savior was justified in match-fixing because that's how he chose to play the game. He was actually physically playing the game after all, right? | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:29 ExO_ wrote: No you don't. It is not your right to tell anybody how to play the game, nor is it GOM's right. Did his units on screen move? If so, he was playing the game. yes he threw it, yes it was obvious. And did it affect the tournament in any way shape or form? No. While I agree he should've at least played the game, I disagree that GSL should be able to punish him in this way. he earned his spot. Format changes and a false rule breaking call should not be enough to take that away from him. I worry for the next westerner who offends the guys running GSL, who gets booted for another bullshit reason You are right, GOM can't tell players how to play the game. But they can tell them TO play the games that they are paid to play, and boxing probes, a moving, taking hands off keyboard is not playing the game. I fully support GOMtv in their disicion to punish naniwa, and I mean really with how he's been acting lately someone had to draw the line. Sure it wasn't MLG for having their tournament called a joke and for that whole thing with him watching the replay of the restarted game, but GOMtv decided to step up and draw the line. And if they haven't, somewhere down the road another tournament would have had to, and then they would be the ones blamed by all the fanboys. | ||
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Asymmetric
Scotland1309 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:30 Talack wrote: Still can't believe people are defending naniwa for being so disrespectful for the korean community and GOM's tournament. : / Dudes...He dissed YOU the most. It's not some "oh it wasn't super significant" issue, it was a huge act of disrespect and he's getting punished for it. GOM is giving seeds to people who actually want to play (Well idra...lol at least he'll try for the first couple minutes ^^ ) now. As a long term paying GOM subscriber he did me a great service. I was pissed off that they were even going to broadcast this match. I don't want my time wasted by a pointless bo1 exhibition match between these two after they've both just been knocked out. Thankfully Naniwa ended it swiftly and got straight to the MMA polt match. I agree with what Khaldor said on his stream, had this match meant anything what so ever then what Naniwa did would of been a problem. As it stands though the match should of never even been broadcast and the players allowed to forfeit. | ||
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AntiSleep
Canada91 Posts
I just hope Naniwa will stay in korea now, since his reputation in the korean community is going to be rough now. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:39 Stratos_speAr wrote: According to this logic, Savior was justified in match-fixing because that's how he chose to play the game. He was actually physically playing the game after all, right? This is a different situation and you know it. Throwing the game for monetary reward and being a broker for others to do so, is obviously illegal, and wrong, and disrespectful, the whole 9 yards. Throwing a game because you cannot advance in the tournament no matter what you do, and are feeling down about your previous play in the tournament, is an entirely other thing. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On December 15 2011 04:41 AntiSleep wrote: Why did Naniwa fly out to korea to train? To win Code S. I feel this is a bad move for GomTV, yeah he may have thrown that game away but you had to see it coming. Like 0-3 anyone that knew naniwa you would expect him to do sumthing cheesy especially when it was nestea too he didn't really care since he already beat him twice. I just hope Naniwa will stay in korea now, since his reputation in the korean community is going to be rough now. Doing a Probe rush isn't cheesy - it's straight up throwing the match. It's comparable to match-fixing because their is literally a zero percent chance for you to win and you know it. | ||
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