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While I understand that there's a need to discuss this matter, this thread has way too many trash posts in it. Please think carefully about what you want to say. Ad hominem attacks on Swedish people in general, calling you fellow Starcraft fans idiots etc etc will be dealt with with harsher punishment from here on out. Keep it civil people. Page 230: Here's some more stuff that'll get you banned! - Conspiracy theory mongering about MLG and GOM - Comparing people to Hitler - Posting useless one liners of arguments that have already been repeated ad nauseum. | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:33 justinpal wrote: The rule is new? So why is NaNi kicked out without being made aware of it? The same reason CoCa got kicked out. I am sure CoCa, while playing his game, didn't think he would get booted from Code S for it. | ||
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Caltu
60 Posts
Seriously everyone here can say that if they lose some really close games one night because of their own decision making they just turn of Starcraft and do something else. Naniwa basically did that. On a professional point that was the worst decision anyone could have made in Starcraft history. Its a disgrace to the tournament he is in, the fans and anyone that has paid money to make him a pro gamer. But did the fans really care about him throwing that game? I certainly didnt I wanted to watch the last match to see who wins the group. Personally I found it hilarious, like playing a Bo3 and losing first two but have to play the final game anyway. People wouldnt watch DRG vs Nainiwa Providence but making them play 3 games rather than moving right into the losers finals. Professional what Nainiwa did was wrong but from an entertainment area it was amazing! I mean look at us! We can only talk about Nainiwa now and how much entertainment is this causing. GOM should not have banned a player for throwing a meaningless game when it makes the fans 100x more engaged to the tournament as everyone will talk about it and move into their headline matches. This is giving GOM publicity. Isnt that good no matter the situation? | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:27 Yaki wrote: You don't see the difference ? I'll tell you the difference. Unlike a sixpool/cheese, WHAT NANIWA DID HAD 0% WINNING CHANCE and he knew that from the beginnning. Thus, it is fair to say that he threw the game and deserves the punishment he got. Right, Naniwa did a strategy that had a 0% chance of winning and deserved all the consequences of using such a strategy. The consequences, of course, being that he lost the game. | ||
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whereyouat
United States65 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:33 Saiwa wrote: Does anyone remember how the Koreans pulled out the last second before NASL ? They knew it way before but they announced it till the last second just to fuck with NASL ... dont talk about honor and whatever. Yep only it wasnt the players, it was their organizers and they didn't have enough money to send them over. Totally different scenario. derp. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
This is wrong so no thread is needed. Sponsors pay them to play and we pay sponsors to watch them. This is a standard model that he betrayed. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:34 whereyouat wrote: Huk, Sheth, white-ra and Boxer would NOT do something like this because they are professionals, they want to show the best of their ability when put in the spotlight 100% of the time. They can put their boohoo feelings and emotions aside and man up for the next 7-20 minutes or so since something good can come out of it. I still don't get why people justify Naniwas emo banter. Grow up, grow a pair, this would have a been such a meaningful game in preparation of CODE S to face Nestea in the booth in the spotlight but nope he let his emotions and boohoo feelings get in the way and emo'd out like an unprofessional. They would play more seriously than Naniwa did, but it's just impossible to play 100% when the outcome of the game literally means nothing. On December 15 2011 03:35 Trsjnica wrote: The same reason CoCa got kicked out. I am sure CoCa, while playing his game, didn't think he would get booted from Code S for it. GOM took no action against Coca, the decision was made by Slayers/Boxer. | ||
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Wallstreet11
133 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:30 s3rp wrote: Which is why the punishment is not that harsh . He's not allowed to participate in 1 GSL whoop fucking doo. If he's good enough then he'll requalify and act proffesionel next time. It's that simple. Okay sir then say that to Naniwa that i´ts "whoop fucking doo" and get the involved players opinion instead of stating an universal truth you moron. | ||
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lee365
United States448 Posts
Drones beat probes 1v1 and you can cancel the pool and build 3 drones | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Apus
New Zealand74 Posts
I find this pretty disgusting. It's not like Naniwa was saying anything bm, he probe rushed. I know the Koreans are big on their manners, and it probably is something that foreigners should adopt a bit more of, but they advertise themselves as being a global tournament. Perhaps they should make their rules for a more global audience/player base as well. We already know they aren't great at letting people know all the rules (Jinro incident). Imo it should be a warning at most, and even then I'd consider that fairly draconian. | ||
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Avril_Lavigne
United States446 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:31 ZAiNs wrote: Don't be so lenient, Naniwa deserves prison sentence clearly. i dont see any grounds for a criminal offense but naniwa could be sued by gretech to reimburse the damage they suffered due to this incident. | ||
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price
United States297 Posts
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
He got off with a one event ban. He still can participate in future events. This is a wake up call for Naniwa and I hope he understands that this is the real world and you can't just do what you want. Personally I think the real fuck up by GOM is that they gave away Code S spots. | ||
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gupthegup
United States4 Posts
This is the same thing, Naniwa's actions could cause sponsors to pull money out or others on the fence to not get involved especially in Korea where the culture views his actions much worse then most of the rest of the world. These tournaments have tens of thousands of dollars in prize pools that he has the privilege to compete for without having to buy in for his % of the pool and I'm sure Gom's aspirations are to increase that to hundreds of thousands of dollars - he was even paid an appearance fee of $850 just to be there. If this is going to be an e-sport and not just another video game you have to treat it like one. | ||
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Wallstreet11
133 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:36 Velocirapture wrote: This is wrong so no thread is needed. Sponsors pay them to play and we pay sponsors to watch them. This is a standard model that he betrayed. AND PLEASE WHERE in the contract does it say "YOU HAVE TO HAVE BOTH HANDS ACTIVE" and "NO 7 PROBE RUSH IS ALLOWED". That is basically ALL he did. He didn´t BM he didn´t diss people! | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:35 Trsjnica wrote: The same reason CoCa got kicked out. I am sure CoCa, while playing his game, didn't think he would get booted from Code S for it. He didnt get booted from Code S, he forfeited the spot. | ||
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ePLocust
United States587 Posts
On December 15 2011 03:35 Trsjnica wrote: The same reason CoCa got kicked out. I am sure CoCa, while playing his game, didn't think he would get booted from Code S for it. CoCa wasn't kicked out he gave up his spot. | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
I disagree with GOM's decision. He was the only EU player in GSL and I am pretty sure people who bought tickets for this year also expected Naniwa to play in it. Personally I love his playstyle and when he doesn't get cheesed 9999....999 games in a row he's a beast. TL;DR Naniwa was unprofessional, but GOMTV's punishment was way too hard. | ||
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Siaubunas
Lithuania12 Posts
It was a round-robin tournament. That means he is expected to play a round-robin tournament. To use the example of chess, their tournaments are very very often round-robin. 99% of this time, this means that in the last round, many players have little left to play for. They may not play the most epic games ever, but they put in a level of effort that is accepted in the chess community. In this case, Naniwa failed to do this, as shown by the numerous huge threads about this, even before the GSL's punishment.[/QUOTE] Chess players play for ratings too. This is very important thing and shows their placement in the world. Never heard about rating system in the SC2. | ||
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